really annoyed......

[el_magico89]

So,
this time, I am pretty good prepared and I am really curious about what the SI guys are going to tell me...
Its really absurd and really getting on my nerves to see, how I fail to win in matches, I was easily dominating and should have won.
The worst thing is, this didnt happen once, twice or for three times, this has happend more than 5,6,7 times and I am currently mid January of the first season, so god know, how many times I am going to face these kind of matches xD

so, here are the links for the screenshots:
Ive chosen 6 games for you guys

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4...panyolaway.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4701/getafeaway.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6928/mallorcaaway.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1...piakosaway.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9434/partizanaway.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5...ciedadhome.jpg

so, can we say, that we dont really need to play the away games, when the results and the outcome are preprogrammed before the matches havent even been played?
is it just bad luck, was it only by chance, that 5 of the 6 games were away games? do home teams, no matter which class, have really that much advantage in this game, that world class strikers like nilmar, rossi and so on fail constantly to score? in all these matches, my strikers ratings were lower than 6.20 if not 6 or 5.90.

its incredible and ridiciulous, that I now, that if I dont score a second one, the opposition is going to rape me...
the getafe match for example, I was leading in the first half, everything went well, but then suddenly, a long kick by the getafe gk, and the striker for the very first time he shots and its a goal. it wasnt even a real chance. of course, I am dominating the rest of the game, fail to score, just in order to let the opposition score from a corner in the very last minute...

this game is really the worst in my young fm carreer. it really takes the fun out of me and dont SI wonder, why for example the tactic section is so quiet and dead? theres no life in this forum anymore. just a few months ago, I can remember seing 2,3 new threads in the tactic section or getting comments after comments, feedbacks after feedbacks, but now, theres badly something happening. the only reason, because people got fed up with this game. most of them have given up and I know lots of guys, who have begun playing fm 11 again...

and for those, who will claim, I am a whiner and so on...
this is how I am doing currently, without any important signings, first season and finished the cl group stages as leaders.
so nothing to be unhappy about, but still, its just getting more and more frustrating



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[Barside]

When will you accept that it is your tactics, the fact that it is happen so frequently to you but not other Fm'ers should be telling you something.

What you need to understand is that the ME is very much biased towards a tradition English way of playing, if you're natural tactical tendencies lean towards a more continental approach then you run a very high risk of getting the kind of results that you're seeing.

[Cleon]

http://community.sigames.com/showthr...-Know-About-FM

Read that from reply 44 down and learn to play rather than swear and blame other things. The fact is, it is your tactics as I was following your thread in the tactics forum. Some of the things you were doing and trying were very contradictory to each other.

But anyways use that thread and actually see why you're losing because of your strikers inability to put the ball in the back of the net.

Look at the screenshots you posted and what does every single one of them have in common? Low tackling %. I'd start with looking at that first and foremost above all else.

[el_magico89]

When will you accept that it is your tactics, the fact that it is happen so frequently to you but not other Fm'ers should be telling you something.

What you need to understand is that the ME is very much biased towards a tradition English way of playing, if you're natural tactical tendencies lean towards a more continental approach then you run a very high risk of getting the kind of results that you're seeing.

sry, but what the hell are you talking about?
did you even read, what I wrote? talking so much nonsense and wanting to explain me how the ME works? first of all, I know my work. Ive done a lot in the tactic section of this forum, so you should be the latest to tell me, that its my tactic!

just to remember, here are some results so far, with the same team and same tactic:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7751/betishome.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4...panyolhome.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/6070/malagaawayz.jpg
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7...lorcahomel.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3886/racingaway.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7628/sevillahome.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/870/valenciahome.jpg

hey, these results were all just luck...

and now, I guess, youve understood me wrong.
I am not complaining about not winning or not dominating the away games, as I do in home games.
I am much more pissed off the fact, that I dont really play worse than in home games and dont even create less good chances than in home games, but the only difference is, that I constantly fail to score in away games. this hasnt anything to do with realism. since its right, that even in rl, you dont expect the same manutd in away games as in old trafford, but still, rooney,chica or the other guys dont suddenly forget, where to goal is, just because theyre playing in front of 5000 manu fans instead of 700000. its much more, that irl, away teams struggle with the pressure of the home teams and cant create that much chances, as they do in home games. but here, in my example, Ive shown, that my away performances arent reall worse than home games, but it feels like you cant win these games, unless your playing with madrid or barca.

[themadsheep2001]

sry, but what the hell are you talking about?
did you even read, what I wrote? talking so much nonsense and wanting to explain me how the ME works? first of all, I know my work. Ive done a lot in the tactic section of this forum, so you should be the latest to tell me, that its my tactic!

just to remember, here are some results so far, with the same team and same tactic:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7751/betishome.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4...panyolhome.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/6070/malagaawayz.jpg
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7...lorcahomel.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3886/racingaway.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7628/sevillahome.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/870/valenciahome.jpg

hey, these results were all just luck...

and now, I guess, youve understood me wrong.
I am not complaining about not winning or not dominating the away games, as I do in home games.
I am much more pissed off the fact, that I dont really play worse than in home games and dont even create less good chances than in home games, but the only difference is, that I constantly fail to score in away games. this hasnt anything to do with realism. since its right, that even in rl, you dont expect the same manutd in away games as in old trafford, but still, rooney,chica or the other guys dont suddenly forget, where to goal is, just because theyre playing in front of 5000 manu fans instead of 700000. its much more, that irl, away teams struggle with the pressure of the home teams and cant create that much chances, as they do in home games. but here, in my example, Ive shown, that my away performances arent reall worse than home games, but it feels like you cant win these games, unless your playing with madrid or barca.

Did you read Cleons post? Some good advice there

[el_magico89]

http://community.sigames.com/showthr...-Know-About-FM

Read that from reply 44 down and learn to play rather than swear and blame other things. The fact is, it is your tactics as I was following your thread in the tactics forum. Some of the things you were doing and trying were very contradictory to each other.

But anyways use that thread and actually see why you're losing because of your strikers inability to put the ball in the back of the net.

Look at the screenshots you posted and what does every single one of them have in common? Low tackling %. I'd start with looking at that first and foremost above all else.

mate, I dont give a damn about my tackling rate ok? 99% of those, who have uploaded their tactics and claim, its the best and so on even fail to get a solid defence with manutd and other big teams. did you see my screenshots? just conceded 14 goals in 17 games with having played in bernabeu and camp nou. Ive seen people, who talked about solid defence, when the had conceded less than 50 goals with manutd.

and what does the tackling ratio has to do with not scoring/converting the chances I create? so the opposition has a better tackling percentage, so why for gods sake are they giving away so many chances, having less possession than me? isnt there something wrong in your logics? but hey, off course, you have to defend SI, since your an admin. we all are newbies, dont know anything, and you guys are always right...
great support, thumbs up!

[el_magico89]

Did you read Cleons post? Some good advice there

did you see the screenshots? did you read, what Ive written? look at the games, Ive won, in most of thems, the opposition has a better tackling percentage than me. for gods sake, you guys really dont know anything about football and football manager. ****ing hell, tackling percentage doesnt mean anything, as long as youre controlling the game. why for gods sake am I giving away less chances, when I fail to have that high tackling percentage?

[Barside]

I'm still unsure why you're spending so much time commenting on the existing ME, PaulC has already said that unless a massively game-breaking flaw suddenly appears then the current version will not be changed as they are investing all their time & energy in developing a brand new one.

As for your interpretation of the tacking percentage have you looked at where the missed tackles are happening? If your attacking players are trying to win the ball back in the opponents defensive third then it could well lead to a lower success rate but have little negative impact on to defence.

There is also the matter of what are the raw numbers, how many tackles are your players actually attempting in comparison to your opponents & do they fail to make key tackles when required?

Remember there are lies, damn lies & statistics.

[themadsheep2001]

did you see the screenshots? did you read, what Ive written? look at the games, Ive won, in most of thems, the opposition has a better tackling percentage than me. for gods sake, you guys really dont know anything about football and football manager. ****ing hell, tackling percentage doesnt mean anything, as long as youre controlling the game. why for gods sake am I giving away less chances, when I fail to have that high tackling percentage?

Considering you're the one constantly spouting off about failing to win away from home, you really arent in a position to tell anyone they dont know anything about football etc.

Do you actually want some advice, or are you just going to be rude to as many people as possible?

[Cleon]

mate, I dont give a damn about my tackling rate ok?

Firstly I'm female, I'm not a mate.

It's costing you games, so if you don't accept it then stop posting crying each time you lose. You've posted asking for advice and I'm giving it you. Now if you don't want to take advice from someone who can actuallyplay the game and doesn't have the issue you do, then what was the point in posting in the first place?

did you see my screenshots? just conceded 14 goals in 17 games with having played in bernabeu and camp nou. Ive seen people, who talked about solid defence, when the had conceded less than 50 goals with manutd.

Yups I saw the screenshots and 14 goals in 17 games is bad. If you want to win the league then you should be looking at that number for the whole season not half of it. I don't care what other people claim, I'm judging you on what you've posted and asked help for.

and what does the tackling ratio has to do with not scoring/converting the chances I create?

Because if they score then you're on the back foot. If the opposition don't score you have the advantage.

so why for gods sake are they giving away so many chances, having less possession than me?

Please tell me you're not one of them who thinks they should win games because they have had more possession? I could have 30% possession and still win 9-0. Possession means nothing, it's what you do with it what counts.

isnt there something wrong in your logics?

I win games and don't have the mistakes you posted. So from where I'm sat that makes your logic and gaming style wrong. You're the one struggling not me.

you have to defend SI, since your an admin. we all are newbies, dont know anything, and you guys are always right...
great support, thumbs up!

Defend SI?

I'm pretty critical if you've followed any of my threads especially about the AI's inability to defend properly. However I do know the difference between an actual problem and a user who doesn't understand how the game works even though they think they do.

You've posted seeking advice and help, you got it and was rude and totally dismissive. If you can't handle people pointing out flaws in your tactics and the way you play then why did you post?

Use the analysis tab to see exactly why you cannot score and the opposition does. Why do you miss sooo many chances? You have lots off target too, that suggest a problem with the way you play. It's either rushed, too fast or forced play with no other options.

[Cleon]

And stop been agressive and swearing when people are offering you advice.

[suikoden]

Im actually dominating with Villarreal first season with only Willian signed and selling Nilmar and Mario playing a 3223 or WM. My only advice to you is take nothing for granted. Playing good teams can be easy if they open up you can really punish them on the counter if you put in some work prematch with defense. The fact that you are struggling against smaller teams is most definitely your.problem. instead of complaining think about how to counter their defensive shape. Could be as simple as setting your striker to stay deeper to confuse the defense. If it was Rossi and he had time on the ball he can really hurt with his passing. When I lack space upfront I change him to treq which let my inside forwards take up.more central.positions between fb and cb constantly and also.gives Rossi.more.time.to.pick a killer ball. of course your tactic could be different so.you need to come up with your own solutions on figuring how to take their defense apart.Sorry for grammar errors.typing on phone and my thumb is too big

[ri916]

Firstly I'm female, I'm not a mate.

It's costing you games, so if you don't accept it then stop posting crying each time you lose. You've posted asking for advice and I'm giving it you. Now if you don't want to take advice from someone who can actuallyplay the game and doesn't have the issue you do, then what was the point in posting in the first place?



Yups I saw the screenshots and 14 goals in 17 games is bad. If you want to win the league then you should be looking at that number for the whole season not half of it. I don't care what other people claim, I'm judging you on what you've posted and asked help for.



Because if they score then you're on the back foot. If the opposition don't score you have the advantage.



Please tell me you're not one of them who thinks they should win games because they have had more possession? I could have 30% possession and still win 9-0. Possession means nothing, it's what you do with it what counts.



I win games and don't have the mistakes you posted. So from where I'm sat that makes your logic and gaming style wrong. You're the one struggling not me.



Defend SI?

I'm pretty critical if you've followed any of my threads especially about the AI's inability to defend properly. However I do know the difference between an actual problem and a user who doesn't understand who the game works even though they think they do.

You've posted seeking advice and help, you got it and was rude and totally dismissive. If you can't handle people pointing out flaws in your tactics and the way you play then why did you post?

Use the analysis tab to see exactly why you cannot score and the opposition does. Why do you miss sooo many chances? You have lots off target too, that suggest a problem with the way you play. It's either rushed, too fast or forced play with no other options.

+1 couldnt agree more

[Cleon]

Have a look at this, I'm currently writing about this game and will be posting about it tomorrow;



This is the current game I'm writing about for the main thread. I thought I'd share the video for the time being while I write it up. Hopefully it'll be finished sometime this weekend and posted.

The first 3 goals are what happens when you don't prepare and dismiss the bottom of the league side. Over confidence from the manager and lack of respect for the opposition.

I always and I mean always watch the first 15 minutes of a game and change strategy etc based on visuals I see and how my side are actually playing. For this game I was playing bottom of the league, scoring for fun and took the match for granted. I decided to not watch it and just play. The consequences was 3-0 down after 28 minutes. So I decided to watch the rest of the match in full and make changes based on what had happened already. I watch the first 28 mins back by rewinding and I saw the faults and changed them. The outcome was a 3-5 win, not bad from been 3-0 down after 28 mins.

The thing is, if you don't pay attention or understand why you don't pass, don't tackles as good as normal, miss too many shots then you don't understand your own tactics. You need to pay attention and know how to change things when not going your way, even if you are been dominant. If you're dominant and not scoring then you really need to find out why and pinpoint the flaws.

[tomtuck01]

Zzzzzzzzzz...............Snore.

We've heard it all before from you, and every time you have been given advice. The fact that you don't follow said advice is your issue - don't take it out on others and get aggresive and insulting. Go away if you can't and stop posting thses threads, they are tiresome.

[el_magico89]

you dont want to understand me. but its ok, I dont want to be a member in this ****in forum anymore. pls, either delete my account or ban me and delete all my threads and the download links. I dont want to be a part of something, which doesnt accept and doesnt want to understand anything, when it comes to negative criticizm. so, DELETE MY THREADS AND MY ACCOUNT, or tell me, how to do it by myself! thats it!

[NickMegarity]

i used to think like most i was fantastic at football manager, did well in the time i played football manager live , yet my tactics always seemed to let me down, so i bit the bullet & asked wwfan for some advice & have since looked around the forums for tips & solutions for when things go wrong with my own tactic creations, untill you start taking the constructive criticism onboard then no one will be able to help you out .

http://almostretired-fml.blogspot.co...your-eyes.html was my ramblings way back when ,

good luck & hopefully you will be able to manage the way you want to going forward

[Cleon]

you dont want to understand me. but its ok, I dont want to be a member in this ****in forum anymore. pls, either delete my account or ban me and delete all my threads and the download links. I dont want to be a part of something, which doesnt accept and doesnt want to understand anything, when it comes to negative criticizm. so, DELETE MY THREADS AND MY ACCOUNT, or tell me, how to do it by myself! thats it!

We understand you, it's you who won't listen to the advice.

[Barside]

Cleon, that was like watching Sunday league football.

[Cleon]

Cleon, that was like watching Sunday league football.

From my side?

I did have a scrap on my hands

[mumble jumbo]

Use the analysis tab to see exactly why you cannot score and the opposition does. Why do you miss sooo many chances? You have lots off target too, that suggest a problem with the way you play. It's either rushed, too fast or forced play with no other options

Or maybe he just wasn't supposed to score in those games under those current sessions. It's not his tactics, because he's doing well, it's the ME trying to create a trail of realism.

[Barside]

Thought you'd been banned for claiming to have hacked the .exe.

[el_magico89]

We understand you, it's you who won't listen to the advice.

no, as you wouldnt behave like that. anyway, for almost 2 years, Ive tried to support this forum and this game as much as I could, even though this game is not available in germany, I was buying the game from london, before steam came. have done so many threads, have uploaded 2 great tactics, with a lot of positive feedbacks, tried to answer to every single comment,question feedback and so on... but at the end, you feel like an idiot, when people dont actually read what youve posted, much more read the first sentences and then game with the usual, its your tactics, you dont know anything, its your tackling percentage, when I claim about not scoring from so many chances and so on... I dont want to be a part anymore and want to waste my time for something, which doesnt give me credit for my work. I could easily play this game on my own and would give a damn about losing, but in fact, I want to help some other people by doing a good tactic, so therefore need some explanation about some absurd things, which I could notice in the game so far, but this is, what I get...

could you pls send me a pm and explain me, how I can completely delete my account, since I dont want some personal stuff saved here. also would be nice, if you could delete or close my actual threads in the tactic section.

[themadsheep2001]

Or maybe he just wasn't supposed to score in those games under those current sessions. It's not his tactics, because he's doing well, it's the ME trying to create a trail of realism.

There is no mechanism like that in the game. Period. You made three threads on this already. There is no rubber banding.

[mumble jumbo]

It's the ME trying to leave a trail of realism behind. People demanded realism. Also, it's to make the league table not look cartoony by the end of the season.

[mumble jumbo]

There is no mechanism like that in the game. Period. You made three threads on this already. There is no rubber banding.

It's the games way of telling you that your strikers just had an off-day.

[telV7]

you dont want to understand me. but its ok, I dont want to be a member in this ****in forum anymore. pls, either delete my account or ban me and delete all my threads and the download links. I dont want to be a part of something, which doesnt accept and doesnt want to understand anything, when it comes to negative criticizm. so, DELETE MY THREADS AND MY ACCOUNT, or tell me, how to do it by myself! thats it!

Now that is how to chuck your toys out of the pram.....

Funnily enough this came to mind,




I took a look at your screenshots and though I am not a tactical genius, (which in your eyes may mean I am not qualified to answer), I noticed that you have a lot of shots but the on target is not that great, so I would be looking at why that is happening.

[vilks]

did you see the screenshots? did you read, what Ive written? look at the games, Ive won, in most of thems, the opposition has a better tackling percentage than me. for gods sake, you guys really dont know anything about football and football manager. ****ing hell, tackling percentage doesnt mean anything, as long as youre controlling the game. why for gods sake am I giving away less chances, when I fail to have that high tackling percentage?

You're the one who is losing .

Unless you are like a 12 year old then this is really funny, I feel like grabbing some popcorn and sit back chomping away whilst trying not to laugh too much at your babbling rants.

[Kazza]

no, as you wouldnt behave like that. anyway, for almost 2 years, Ive tried to support this forum and this game as much as I could, even though this game is not available in germany, I was buying the game from london, before steam came. have done so many threads, have uploaded 2 great tactics, with a lot of positive feedbacks, tried to answer to every single comment,question feedback and so on... but at the end, you feel like an idiot, when people dont actually read what youve posted, much more read the first sentences and then game with the usual, its your tactics, you dont know anything, its your tackling percentage, when I claim about not scoring from so many chances and so on... I dont want to be a part anymore and want to waste my time for something, which doesnt give me credit for my work. I could easily play this game on my own and would give a damn about losing, but in fact, I want to help some other people by doing a good tactic, so therefore need some explanation about some absurd things, which I could notice in the game so far, but this is, what I get...

could you pls send me a pm and explain me, how I can completely delete my account, since I dont want some personal stuff saved here. also would be nice, if you could delete or close my actual threads in the tactic section.

If this is what he really wants then oblige him. If he cannot listen to Cleon (absolute mistress on FM) then that's his perogative but lets' stop indulging this type of thread. It's a game - it's not real life as we know it)!!!

At least he will be happy that we agree with what he wants to do - foolish and sad but it is his choice.

[daddyrichie]

Can I point you in the direction on Southampton FC, most away game this season we have controlled and near on dominated yet we loose or luckily draw. It happens! The tactics need to be alot more spot on than at home. It can be annoying yes, it can be downright frustrating yes but it's football! I've even known games that happen like that with the home team, I remember a game a fair few years ago Newcastle v Fulham I think it was, Newcastle totally dominated, something like 20+ shots and over 10 on target and Fulham had 2 maybe 3 and they won 1-0. It's all part and parcel of our wonderful yet frustrating sport!

[Wiitastic]

well if the OP supposedly has the best players he can afford and still losing, clearly the tactics he is using are not working, even blind freddy can see that.

But the OP seems to be oblivious to everything people are reporting back to him.

Tweak your tactics !

[Gee_Simpson]

One thing I have learned from this thread is that Cleon is a Female! I didn't know that!

[tomtuck01]

One thing I have learned from this thread is that Cleon is a Female! I didn't know that!

No, he's not.

[rimm!]

el_magico, do you get this stressed at all games, or just this one?
You seem a bit emotionally invested in it dude, maybe try minesweeper for a bit, just til the black fog clears from your mind eh?

[wwfan]

As your main complaint seems to be that we aren't reading what you wrote:

So,
this time, I am pretty good prepared and I am really curious about what the SI guys are going to tell me...
Its really absurd and really getting on my nerves to see, how I fail to win in matches, I was easily dominating and should have won.
The worst thing is, this didnt happen once, twice or for three times, this has happend more than 5,6,7 times and I am currently mid January of the first season, so god know, how many times I am going to face these kind of matches xD

So, we have identified a problem. You struggle to win some matches away from home, despite playing relatively well in statistical terms. We know that the ME is not fixed, that the AI doesn't "crack" your tactics, and that all these matches are winnable. So, what is the problem?

Is it strategic? Do you tend to push too far up the pitch away from home, which leaves you open to the counter? Cleon's suggestion about tackling rates may mean you are getting stretched quite often.
Is it tactical? Are you losing to teams playing certain formations, or losing in certain conditions? Are you unable to pick your way around massed midfields, or are your full backs getting caught upfield and creamed by fast, counter-attacking wingers? You'll need to look back through the matches and check.
Is it managerial? Are you struggling to motivate your players for a certain type of fixture, away games against a mid-table side? If so, how might you change your approach?

so, here are the links for the screenshots:
Ive chosen 6 games for you guys

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4...panyolaway.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4701/getafeaway.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6928/mallorcaaway.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1...piakosaway.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9434/partizanaway.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5...ciedadhome.jpg

Some look really unlucky, some less so. You are aware, of course, that SI's CCC stat is very liberal, and that some CCCs are pretty tough chances. Could you go back through those matches and check to see just how god those chances are. Are they central shots in which the striker is having to hit it early to avoid being crowded out, or are they in open space when the player has lots of time?

so, can we say, that we dont really need to play the away games, when the results and the outcome are preprogrammed before the matches havent even been played?

You really, really need to get this idea out of your head. ALl these matches would have been winnable if you, the manager, made enough good decisions. We just need to work out where you tend to make mistakes.

is it just bad luck, was it only by chance, that 5 of the 6 games were away games? do home teams, no matter which class, have really that much advantage in this game, that world class strikers like nilmar, rossi and so on fail constantly to score? in all these matches, my strikers ratings were lower than 6.20 if not 6 or 5.90.

There is likely to be some bad luck, but again, you need to take responsibility yourself and work out where you might be going wrong. No manager can win the really unlucky matches, but all can win matches where the luck is only slightly against you.

its incredible and ridiciulous, that I now, that if I dont score a second one, the opposition is going to rape me...
the getafe match for example, I was leading in the first half, everything went well, but then suddenly, a long kick by the getafe gk, and the striker for the very first time he shots and its a goal. it wasnt even a real chance. of course, I am dominating the rest of the game, fail to score, just in order to let the opposition score from a corner in the very last minute...

I imagine you didn't think about seeing out the opening 15 mins of the 2nd half to deal with the expected Getafe push for an equaliser, then saw your players get frustrated as they couldn't find a winner, which led to the soft goal against you. There would have been many options you could have taken to prevent such a scenario, such as sitting deep early in the 2nd half, warning your players to keep focused, looking to counter rather than push, etc, etc.

this game is really the worst in my young fm carreer. it really takes the fun out of me and dont SI wonder, why for example the tactic section is so quiet and dead? theres no life in this forum anymore. just a few months ago, I can remember seing 2,3 new threads in the tactic section or getting comments after comments, feedbacks after feedbacks, but now, theres badly something happening. the only reason, because people got fed up with this game. most of them have given up and I know lots of guys, who have begun playing fm 11 again...

The only reason you think that is because you haven't been able to create a super-tactic, which is, somewhat realistic, is it not?

and for those, who will claim, I am a whiner and so on...
this is how I am doing currently, without any important signings, first season and finished the cl group stages as leaders.
so nothing to be unhappy about, but still, its just getting more and more frustrating

Then don't be unhappy. All you have to do is work out how to win a certain type of game and everything will be coming up roses. All anyone in these forums is asking you to do is to make the effort and work it out for yourself. Take responsibility for your losses and stop blaming FM, the ME, the AI, SI, the forums etc for your mistakes.

[Barside]

One thing I have learned from this thread is that Cleon is a Female! I didn't know that!

People don't talk about it, it's upsets the luddites when they find out they are getting tactical advice from a girl.

[wwfan]

What you need to understand is that the ME is very much biased towards a tradition English way of playing, if you're natural tactical tendencies lean towards a more continental approach then you run a very high risk of getting the kind of results that you're seeing.

I don't actually agree with this. It is very possible to develop a successful continental shape / style. It might not be as easy to do as the British style, but that is largely because people want to use the aggressive mentalities too much, which lend themselves to a British style game. Short passing and a more cautious strategy can be extremely effective and successful, and plays a far more continentalesque game.

I would, however, agree that every system has the tendency to get the ball forward out of defence slightly too quickly, which is a British disease.

[el_magico89]

can actually anyone tell me, how I can delete my whole account, so that my email adress and everything else is deleted?
still didnt get a pm or an answer to this question.

[Barside]

I would, however, agree that every system has the tendency to get the ball forward out of defence slightly too quickly, which is a British disease.

That's probably closer to what I was aiming for, try as I might I have never been able to create a composed playing style that will see my team abandon a charge down a blind alley & go back to try a different line of attack.

All too often one of my attacking players will either run the ball out or take a pot shot from distance regardless of my clear instructions not to.

Edit: Before anyone offers any suggestions or tips be warned, I'm a llama & as such I'm likely to spit at anyone who tries to offer advice.

[wwfan]

can actually anyone tell me, how I can delete my whole account, so that my email adress and everything else is deleted?
still didnt get a pm or an answer to this question.

Write to Neil Brock. Don't see why you would do that, though. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. The best place to find help that can solve your problem is this forum. The only thing you need to do is accept that you, not the game, need to change. Once you can accept that, you'll start to sort things out.

[el_magico89]

Write to Neil Brock. Don't see why you would do that, though. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. The best place to find help that can solve your problem is this forum. The only thing you need to do is accept that you, not the game, need to change. Once you can accept that, you'll start to sort things out.

how can I find him? is it possible, that you could ask him to write me a message or to immediately delete my account? im very new to the message system, as I never used it before, so sorry for the dumb questions

[Andy H]

Go to his profile and click on send a message to him.

[wwfan]

Why don't you try and engage with the efforts to sort out your problem instead. If you relaxed, read things without emotion or anger, and used the information within to sort out your issues, I suspect we'd get you enjoying FM again in a couple of weeks or so.

If you still hate FM after that, and still believe you are being cheated, I'd happily get Neil to delete your account.

[mumble jumbo]

The sheer number that haven't got a clue how this game works just amazes me. He's doing quite well. Is there some hidden law within the game stating that he must bang in 5 every game or he's doing something wrong?

Wait, are you saying there is a scripted way to win every single game? Or bang in 5 every single game?

If so, then please help me bang in 50 a game

[wwfan]

The sheer number that haven't got a clue how this game works just amazes me. He's doing quite well. Is there some hidden law within the game stating that he must bang in 5 every game or he's doing something wrong?

Wait, are you saying there is a scripted way to win every single game? Or bang in 5 every single game?

He's doing something wrong.

There are no scripted ways to do anything. From what I've read of your posts, you are either a troll who will have a very short stay on these forums, or somebody who knows absolutely nothing about how FM works.

[mumble jumbo]

He's doing something wrong.

There are no scripted ways to do anything. From what I've read of your posts, you are either a troll who will have a very short stay on these forums, or somebody who knows absolutely nothing about how FM works.

I doubt you've even played the game

[dan99]

I doubt you've even played the game

I think wwfan works on the ME for SI \o/

If he does, it'll make you look like an even bigger idiot.

[el_magico89]

same tactic, with a lot of back up players, same opposition (1 week later), 2nd leg of the spanish cup, the only difference: its a home game



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thats, what I want to tell you guys.
the difference between an home game and away game is too massive. not, that I would get dominated in away games and wouldnt deserve a victory, its much more the fact, that the created chances are much more to be finished in a goal, when you play at home. in away games, its like your strikers would have suddenly gotten **** on their feet. the same nilmar, who cant score for months, scores suddenly 4 in a match. ok, the only change I made was, i was demanding a win in an aggressive tone, as I want to try out, how my team plays, when I constantly demand a win in an aggressive tone, no matter whether playing against a lower dvision team or real madrid. as the most times, when I play at home, I expect a win and in away games just for the fans and so on...
if I had the same problems in home games aswell, I would have said, that its probably my tactic and I need to tweak it, but no, its like jekyll and hyde...

[mumble jumbo]

Whatever. Just because you string a few bad results this doesn't necessarily mean you're doing something wrong. I know how this works and it was intended to be realistic or at least try to be realistic, meaning you could end up with a bad result even though you've done everything right

Edit: You can never sway the probability 100% in your favour

Also, I'm tired so I can't be ****ed arguing man. You know I'm right

[wwfan]

if I had the same problems in home games aswell, I would have said, that its probably my tactic and I need to tweak it, but no, its like jekyll and hyde...

This sums up your problem. You can't tweak a tactic to perfection. You must react to the dynamic nature of football. If you think you can design a magic tactic that wins all matches against all opposition in all conditions, it will always end in frustration.

[el_magico89]

Whatever. Just because you string a few bad results doesn't necessarily mean you're doing something wrong. I know how this works and it was intended to be realistic or at least try to be realistic, meaning you could end up with a bad result even though you've done everything right

Edit: You can never sway the probability 100% in your favour

I dont bother, when I lose a game once, twice or even three times, which I didnt deserve to lose, but it makes me thinking when from 8-9 away games Ive played so far, there were at least 6 games in which I was the better team and in which I couldnt even win one of 6.

[el_magico89]

This sums up your problem. You can't tweak a tactic to perfection. You must react to the dynamic nature of football. If you think you can design a magic tactic that wins all matches against all opposition in all conditions, it will always end in frustration.

I dont want to win all 38 league games. I just want to get something for my work.

[wwfan]

I dont want to win all 38 league games. I just want to get something for my work.

You have. 4th place with Villareal, and 1st in the CL group. That is not shabby. All you have to learn to do is turn around those difficult or unlucky games. You can't do that by micro-tweaking tactics.

[scott MUFC]

home and away i agree is too big.
i only won the premier league and league cup (dont count community shield) as i was knocked out of the FA cup 2-1.... the opposition had 2 shots on target, that was a week or so after i got knocked out of the champions league in the semis 3-2 on aggrigate because the opposition had 1 shot on target while being outplayed.
i did not do anything wrong, the tactics worked the champions league loss was a long shot, in off the post.
this season played 5 won 5.. played shocking away - won those away games via corners. those games are satisfying to win though.
basically you can control what your strikers which barn door your strikers hit on a particular day, but you can control the attempts they have.

[Barside]

Is it troll night?

[wwfan]

The only long-term stat I care about in the game is conversion ratio. Mine is as follows:

Goals / Shots: 56 / 331 (1 goal in 5.9 shots)

Goals / Shots on Target: 56 / 134 (1 goal in 2.4 SOT)

If you are significantly higher than those stats, then you have identified your problem. You need to create a lot of chances before you score. Please have a check to see if this is the issue.

[Maystor]

Hmm, I wonder how is the home advantage presented in the match engine. Could it be just a simple attribute boost/penalty or something much more complex?

[Barside]

Edit: I now see what wwfan has done.

[Gee_Simpson]

No, he's not.

Umm... She is!

[wwfan]

Where the heck do I find that stat breakdown? I've spent that last few years trying to manually calculate my conversion ratio.

View Club / Information / Stats

[Barside]

I need to work on my strikers or stop my defenders from shooting.

We might get 1 in 3 shots are on target but it takes 8.77 shots to score.

[wwfan]

I need to work on my strikers or stop my defenders from shooting.

We might get 1 in 3 shots are on target but it takes 8.77 shots to score.

8.77 is about par, so don't take it too hard. Takes a while to have the squad well gelled and disciplined enough to get it low. Even then, you still need the right strategic, tactical and managerial approach.

[Maystor]

Just checked mine. 1 in 2 shots on target but exactly 8 shots needed to score. I guess that's not good

[Barside]

8.77 is about par, so don't take it too hard. Takes a while to have the squad well gelled and disciplined enough to get it low. Even then, you still need the right strategic, tactical and managerial approach.

tbh I'm quite happy where my team is at, if only they could defend throw-ins I'd be happy, damn long throw rebounds & unmarked strikers on the goal line are killing me.

[themadsheep2001]

1 in 2.27 shots on target, 1 in 6.28 to score. Pretty happy with that.

[wwfan]

tbh I'm quite happy where my team is at, if only they could defend throw-ins I'd be happy, damn long throw rebounds & unmarked strikers on the goal line are killing me.

Marking from throw ins is bugged, but it affects users and AI alike. Frustrating, but something we have to live with until the next ME I'm afraid.

[themadsheep2001]

tbh I'm quite happy where my team is at, if only they could defend throw-ins I'd be happy, damn long throw rebounds & unmarked strikers on the goal line are killing me.

Throw ins are a nightmare, Wwfan, going off topic here, but is there any working being done on marking from throw ins?

EDIT: Just seen your reply to Barside.

[el_magico89]

currently on an experiment.
since I am always demanding a victory in home games and was always trying to take pressure of my players in away games, maybe this could be the reason, why theyre so wasteful and sloppy in away games.
this was the first leg of the semi finals, pregame teamtalk: I expect a win (aggressive) and those, who didnt show any positive reaction "I have faith in you" (passionately) as individual talk and at ht, as the result was 1-1 "im not happy with your performance" (aggressive) and the usual individual talks. could have won the game aswell, as I had a lot of injuries. but hey, the very first time, im getting a draw at bernabeu and real played with özil, ronaldo, benzema kaka xabi and all the other guys.


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[Barside]

Marking from throw ins is bugged, but it affects users and AI alike. Frustrating, but something we have to live with until the next ME I'm afraid.

I'd just like to ask the person who added the long bullet throw why they didn't think to add defensive counters.

/back on-topic

[wwfan]

currently on an experiment.
since I am always demanding a victory in home games and was always trying to take pressure of my players in away games, maybe this could be the reason, why theyre so wasteful and sloppy in away games.
this was the first leg of the semi finals, pregame teamtalk: I expect a win (aggressive) and those, who didnt show any positive reaction "I have faith in you" (passionately) as individual talk and at ht, as the result was 1-1 "im not happy with your performance" (aggressive) and the usual individual talks. could have won the game aswell, as I had a lot of injuries. but hey, the very first time, im getting a draw at bernabeu and real played with özil, ronaldo, benzema kaka xabi and all the other guys.

I'm glad you did well, but you are still trying to find a one shot solution. Team talks are contextual and dependent on many things. While they might have helped in this match, this approach might not always work.

Could you please check you conversion ratio. It is the only meaningful stat in terms of determining how effective your strategic/tactical approach is long-term.

[wwfan]

You have to look at long-term trends in order to know your approach is correct.

I'm struggling defensively a bit this season as I've lost my best defender to Real Madrid (minimum fee clause) and I'm rotating in my talented but green keeper for a lot of games. I'm currently conceding at a rate of 0.76 goals per game (last season I was at 0.68). My best season in FM11 was just under 0.25! However, because my conversion ratio is so good, I now I only need to create 10 chances to pretty much guarantee a 1-1 draw at worst. Any more than 15 and I've almost certainly won.

Because I was expecting a slight drop in defensive performance, I've also been a little more cavalier with my selections up front this season, both in the starting line up and in the roles/duties I expect them to perform. Consequently, I'm averaging over 3 goals a game, compared with circa 2 last season, in which I relied mainly on my defence to see me through games.

This is the type of thing you need to be keeping an eye on to know your strategy / tactic is the right one.

[scott MUFC]

i have never had trouble with throws, i score a couple from them though.

i would be careful expecting a win at hard away games. it can destroy morale

sepaking of set pieces, i have just set up my corners... only for the game to ignore the corner setup and do the exact same thing, wrong player at near post... swapped... no change, so i tried going far post... still playing near.

[el_magico89]

at the moment, with the "I expect a win" (aggressive) + individual talks, its running incredibly awesome

against real madrid, my odds were 3.80 and real was 1.60, against sevilla I was underdog with 3.60 and still used the "I expect a win" in aggressive tone, got 4 negative reactions, solved them with individual talk and the result is just amazin.
considering I am playing with my 3rd choice keeper, without senna, cani, nilmar, bruno and a lot of unfit players and doing games every 3 days because of the fixture bug, its just wonderful.
lets see, if my theory is just a for a short period, or whether you can have success with it in long term



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[withnail316]

Well isn't this a joyous thread?

Blatantly obvious that this is a tactical issue, so, you know, change your tactics! At the top level (not that I venture up there very often) you can't play the same way every game, teams scout you and work you out. You have to have a plan B and C, as any manager would. And if players are constantly getting a 6 or lower, they're either playing in the wrong role or they aren't being motivated properly so need talking to in private chats, or they might need dropping as a kick up the backside. Either way, it's your actions that will resolve it, not an issue with the game.

Why write on a forum and then ignore the advice people give you?

[snoozelight]

Dude, i believe everyone read your posts. Problem IS, hardly any one has the same issues!!! And what does that tells you? Plus the fact (on this thread at least) that you disregard any form of discussion is rather sad and say alot about you.

2 teams come to my mind IRL, who tend to dominate possession and not win games on a weekly basis. Liverpool and Arsenal, mainly cause i am a YNWA fan and watch the games weekly while my mate supports the gunners so i catch their games too. Also i believe to a certain extend England and Holland are guilty parties. lol.

Do you care to explain why does having more possession equals to a sure win match? I do believe that IRL most teams have a better home win ratio then away? Bar a few teams.
Image this, you managing a real team in Germany and you lost 5-6 away matches, what will you do? Your post is pretty one sided, can you explain what step have you done to change things?

[shirajzl]

el_magico89, I noticed you're trying to play this game in a way it was played in the older days; create a super-tactic, tweak it almost to perfection and just win every match without ever changing one bit. That's the approach many in the tactics forum are taking, which results in frustration. SI have clearly stated on numerous occasions that one of their primary concerns when working on ME has been to stop those "magic-tactics" from working.

[toon army 06]

its the tactics you can have control in a game all you like but you need to put the chances you get away, change formation or try diffrent fowards.

[tomtuck01]

Umm... She is!

He's a big massive guy, who has just recently got married, has a child on the way, and works as a boxing promoter.

[Cleon]

He's a big massive guy, who has just recently got married, has a child on the way, and works as a boxing promoter.

I'm Female

el_magico89, I noticed you're trying to play this game in a way it was played in the older days; create a super-tactic, tweak it almost to perfection and just win every match without ever changing one bit. That's the approach many in the tactics forum are taking, which results in frustration. SI have clearly stated on numerous occasions that one of their primary concerns when working on ME has been to stop those "magic-tactics" from working.

A lot of people still try playing it like they did CM03/04 but the games moved on since then in the way you was able to play it.

[tomtuck01]

Hahaha, I'm sure you are. *wink*

[marty78]

el_magico89, I noticed you're trying to play this game in a way it was played in the older days; create a super-tactic, tweak it almost to perfection and just win every match without ever changing one bit. That's the approach many in the tactics forum are taking, which results in frustration. SI have clearly stated on numerous occasions that one of their primary concerns when working on ME has been to stop those "magic-tactics" from working.

Hit the nail on the head. I'd guess most of the users who complain about being cheated etc are trying to create a "one size fits all" tactic and when they can't get frustrated and blame the game.

Mumbo jumbo is clearly a wind up merchant looking for a reaction who, hopefully, when ignored will go away.

[Cleon]

Can we stop with the personal insults please or I'll start handing infractions out. I've deleted some of them.

[mumble jumbo]

People always think that when they lose it's always their fault. It's not always your fault. You cannot sway the probability 100% in your favour. A 70% chance of winning does not mean you will win every single match. And the probability fluctuates depending circumstances - Heck, the reputation of your club can knock the probability back a few notches or two. Your own profile stats (reputation etc) can knock the probability back a few notches or two. Poor tactics can knock the probability back a few notches or two. You could play a game, do everything right and still lose to an inferior team, recalculate and increase probability by putting on a sub or two at good moments during the game but still be practically destined to lose that match

Edit: Or draw the match

And on top of that, you will lose in a bid to keep things realistic

[mumble jumbo]

How many players are unhappy? Any injuries? Every single time these little instances occur your probability of winning takes a right good whacking

[Barside]

And on top of that, you will lose in a bid to keep things realistic

Can you stop spouting this utter nonsense?

[slich]

People always think that when they lose it's always their fault. It's not always your fault. You cannot sway the probability 100% in your favour. A 70% chance of winning does not mean you will win every single match. And the probability fluctuates depending circumstances - Heck, the reputation of your club can knock the probability back a few notches or two. Your own profile stats (reputation etc) can knock the probability back a few notches or two. Poor tactics can knock the probability back a few notches or two. You could play a game, do everything right and still lose to an inferior team, recalculate and increase probability by putting on a sub or two at good moments during the game but still be practically destined to lose that match

Edit: Or draw the match

And on top of that, you will lose in a bid to keep things realistic

I don't get it, are you saying that a team with higher reputation being complacent shouldn't affect the match? That if you put the wrong tactics/team talks out, it shouldn't matter? In the last sentence of your paragraph, you say "you can do everything right and still lose to an inferior team" but you mentioned right before saying that, that a bad tactic can undermine you. How are you doing everything perfectly, when you're using a poor tactic? So you can do whatever you want prior to the game, use a bad tactic for your team, don't guard against complacency due to a higher rep, don't make adjustments in the match to combat problems and you should still win anyway cause your team is "better?"

Why do you think that? I don't even get what it is you're even saying!

Edit: Just read the post you made right afterwards... so you don't think injuries or poor morale should factor in either in whether you win or lose a match? Why?....

[mumble jumbo]

Can you stop spouting this utter nonsense?

Whatever. The ME works in steps, it has the outcome predetermined until you make changes and then a new predetermined outcome is created. So it's mini predetermined outcomes. It's a roll if the dice and if the probability is in your favour that's the more chance of you rolling a six

So what does this mean? Well, you could do everything spot on and still lose, i.e. not land a six

[mumble jumbo]

The trick of the ME is that you can never tell if you've hit a six because the storyline could play out that your opponent goes up 5:0 and then you comeback to win

[!.m.!]

I've been reading parts of this with interest. I really don't understand all the analysis or rather how to react, I know my team miss a lot of tackles, but they rarely lose a defensive header or any interception. I usually do use successful tactic for all games because I'm not sure what to change. So help on that would be interested.

Anyway, an easier request. In terms of the shooting and goal stats could anyone kind of tell me are these numbers good or do things need changing.

They are as follows

Goals/shots: 79/465
On target/shots: 192/456

Thanks.

[Barside]

Whatever. The ME works in steps, it has the outcome predetermined until you make changes and then a new predetermined outcome is created. So it's mini predetermined outcomes. It's a roll if the dice and if the probability is in your favour that's the more chance of you rolling a six

So what does this mean? Well, you could do everything spot on and still lose, i.e. not land a six

You clearly have absolutely no idea about how the ME works, you are not being helpful to anyone posting this kind of stuff.

[el_magico89]

a few updates:
remember, its still the same tactic and the same team, only change was I am now using the "I expect a win" (aggressively) + usual individual talks for every single game. no matter whether its away to bernabeu or at home against granada.
I still cant believe it, how much this has influenced the results.
just have a look yourselves.
so is there anyone, who still has the opinion, that its my tactics?
to all those, who claimed, my poor tackling percentage is faul, just analyze the screenshots, Ive uploaded. even against granada at home, my tackling ratio was below 60% and granada absolutetly dominated me in this case, but still, its logical, considering I am playing the modern art of closing down, as germany did it in the wc 2010, zonal marking + high closing down + cautious tacklings, so basically trying to close down the possible passing options of the opposition instead of going constantly into tacklings.

but hey, its still me, its still my tactics, everyone here is a little ferguson, but I am the idiot right?



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[tomtuck01]

So basically, you were doing something wrong before. Though it was with your teamtalks and not your tactics?

[el_magico89]

the primera division is just absurd...
manu is leading the premier league with 59 points from 27 games, marseille is leading the league 1 with 57 from 26 games, dortmund is leading the bundesliga with 49 from 24 games and juventus the seria a with 54 from 27 games...



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[mumble jumbo]

Like I said, when you click to start a game the game builds a storyline.

You could go down 5:0 and go "My God I need to change something" but then you do end up losing because you've altered the storyline of a comeback

[el_magico89]

So basically, you were doing something wrong before. Though it was with your teamtalks and not your tactics?

well, I was doing something wrong, but just think logically, even when the best ass. manager available in the game, has the opinion to take pressure out of my players, when we face real at home or away and I use the "expect a win", dont you think, that something is wrong with this game? dont you think, that team talks have sooo much influences, that results like above can happen, if you use the right one, or results like in my starting post, if you listen to your ass manager or would go the way, the most players would have told you?

[el_magico89]

Like I said, when you click to start a game the game builds a storyline.

You could go down 5:0 and go "My God I need to change something" but then you do end up losing because you've altered the storyline of a comeback

sometimes, Ive exactly the same feelings mate...
one example from an older villarreal save.
Ive won the first leg of the champions league semi finals against barca 2-1
coming away to camp nou, Ive never managed to even get one point from barca.
they are going in front, I am equalizing just before the half time.
then, they score 2 goals in the space of 3 minutes, I get my 2nd away goal in the 92nd minute and 49th second, 90+3 should have been played. normally, this should have been the result. but noooooooooot. kick off for barca, they get a corner, its the 96. minute and iniesta scoring a header from a corner, which ends my dreams of playing champions league finals with villarreal... these are moments, where I just wonder, how this could have happen....

[Barside]

From a points perspective that table doesn't look too dissimilar to the real life table other than the top 2 swapping places.

[tomtuck01]

well, I was doing something wrong, but just think logically, even when the best ass. manager available in the game, has the opinion to take pressure out of my players, when we face real at home or away and I use the "expect a win", dont you think, that something is wrong with this game? dont you think, that team talks have sooo much influences, that results like above can happen, if you use the right one, or results like in my starting post, if you listen to your ass manager or would go the way, the most players would have told you?

The assistant only offers his advice, his opinion. He isn't necessarily correct.

[Cougar2010]

Like I said, when you click to start a game the game builds a storyline.

You could go down 5:0 and go "My God I need to change something" but then you do end up losing because you've altered the storyline of a comeback

Absolute rubbish.

The ME takes the inputs from both teams (Tactics, teamtalks, media comments, player attributes/fitness/morale etc) and calculates the match from kick off. The ME isn't aware which team is human and which is AI controlled and doesn't care. Many of these inputs can vary during a match depending on what has/is happening on the pitch. The most obvious of these is a goal, this changes a whole range of inputs some players become more determined whilst other give up.

As a manager both yourself and the AI can also change the inputs through changing tactics/formation/subs/halftime team talk etc.

Comebacks can and do happen but they are never part of a storyline.