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    Hi,

    Update 4 is now available via. iTunes.

    #3.5 - Update 4 (In Progress)
    Added no interest news when offering players to club
    Improve movement of withdrawn strikers
    Tweak defensive positioning against narrow formations
    Stop players moaning for a new contract if they've only just joined club
    Tune contract requests at clubs with a sugar daddy
    Tuning of free agent transfers
    Fix rare pass count wrap display issue if player made over 128 passes in a match
    Welsh Manager Performance Award Fix
    Port Vale points deduction
    Fix rare issue in European comps if a minor club wins major competition
    Fix for JPT issue if a Conference club is promoted & qualifies for Europe
    Minor text fixes (grammar and translations)
    Improve the manner in which players react to bankruptcy
    Fix very rare corruption of player history in long term saves
    Fixed text error in match commentary (player tackling himself)


    #3.3 - Update 3
    Fix Scottish loan rules
    Show player names on 2d retina pitch more often
    Rotating incremental save game
    Drag and Drop tactics in match
    Stop Man Utd players getting excited and asking for new contracts after winning Charity Shield
    Tweaking of match simulation
    New database update
    Rangers starting with points deduction in new games


    #3.2 - Update 2
    Fix loyal manager leaderboard reporting
    Fix for specific squad selection method on iPad
    Tuning of contract renewals for big-name kids in inactive leagues
    Further tuning to transfer system
    Further tuning to player regeneration implementation
    Allow Inside Forwards in AMC positions
    Allow players to retrain as sweepers
    Slight tuning of player preferred roles
    Ensure that amateur/semi-pro clubs can turn professional in all leagues when they perform exceptionally
    Broadcast GameCenter addictedness at the end of a season automatically (previously only done on save page or status pages are viewed)
    Tuning to regen player physical attributes
    Some auto-repair code for corrupted save games
    Tune unhappiness behavior of young players at large clubs (make them less prone to requesting transfers when only unhappy about contract)
    Fix logic issue with recording highest historic league position
    Match engine tweaks and improvements (both 2d and textual issues)
    Fix rare condition where set-piece/corner taker cleared down
    Added more player personality information
    Fix logic issue with some unlockable conditions not acknowledging all cup wins on specific hardware/OS combinations
    Improve responsiveness of retina display (still not holding 30Hz animation on older retina devices but approximately 10-15% faster, more improvements in subsequent updates all being well)
    Tune contract renewal amounts for older players on huge salaries
    Stop players moaning about not playing if they have long term bans for punching officials and suchlike
    Fixed grid to pitch dragging bug where game would think formation had changed to a custom one when it hadn't
    Fix offering of new contracts to players in reserve sides
    Fix obscure problem with offering contract to bosman signing who is joining reserve teams
    Tweaking of card distribution in matches


    Hope this helps,

    Marc
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    Nice... KUTGW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan View Post
    Allow Inside Forward roles for players in AMC positions
    That is really great! Could this player operate as a False 9?

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    Hi Marc, have you managed to look at my saved game yet? and also will the assistant loan bug be fixed for the next update? it's so annoying how it keeps changing back to none all the time.

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    Hey Marc, could you also add "Deep Lying Forward" to the AMC position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafafloripa View Post
    Hey Marc, could you also add "Deep Lying Forward" to the AMC position?
    Sounds reasonable - although tbh I just mapped the roles by positions from FM PC largely, I'll play around and see how that makes the player behave (should be sensible enough I expect) - if it is then I'll add that in.

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    Ah, another thing:

    When sorting my squad by Ability (View/Detailed/Coach Report), I've noticed that the loaned in players will always be listed on the bottom, even though they might have the highest perceived ability on the squad. Could you fix that, so that they're listed in their correct placement?

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    Reserve Team Players seems to be not sortable correctly by Ability or Form!

    After some season it appears that just Spain and Italy still producing good young talents. Is it intended that the Brazilian Players are just all not good enough anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enthon View Post
    Reserve Team Players seems to be not sortable correctly by Ability or Form!

    After some season it appears that just Spain and Italy still producing good young talents. Is it intended that the Brazilian Players are just all not good enough anymore?
    We're aware of some sorting issues in the reserves.

    With regards to young talent, the general level of players from each nationality should not diverge massively throughout the game. If you've got any evidence that this isn't happening, I'd be very happy to hear it - but bear in mind that some years may be more 'productive' in some countries than others, and that if you don't have Brazil loaded the total number of Brazilian players in-game won't be gigantic.

    I'll run some checks myself as well just to make sure it looks sane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan View Post
    Improve responsiveness of retina display (still not holding 30Hz animation on older retina devices but approximately 10-15% faster, more improvements in subsequent updates all being well)
    Nice, I hope it improves significantly. As it is now, I only use it if I want to take quality screenshots

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    These are great news
    And I'm very excited about the in-game drag-and-drop tactics

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    Any chance you can add extra save slots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafafloripa View Post
    Any chance you can add extra save slots?
    Not planning on it for update 3 - however we are doing 'rolling auto-save slots' there will be two auto-saves instead of just one, the idea being that this will avoid people losing their save game should their battery suddenly run out while auto-saving (which some users have been experiencing when playing for a very long period of time*).

    *Which I suppose is a good thing it shows the games addictive ;)

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    Trying to download fm12 handheld and I keep getting an 'app being modified, try later' error message. Any clues on when it will be available again?

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    Marc has said that there is no update in submission. I am assuming it is to do with the sale ending.
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    Hi!

    Just wondering if there is a possibility to make suspensions more realistic. As it is now you only get 1 match bans no matter what, even if a player has received 3-4 red cards in the same season. No 3 match bans for violent conduct etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaym View Post
    Hi!
    Just wondering if there is a possibility to make suspensions more realistic. As it is now you only get 1 match bans no matter what, even if a player has received 3-4 red cards in the same season. No 3 match bans for violent conduct etc.
    There are different punishments in the game already - you generally only see the more extreme ones if you play hard-tackling and/or have very aggressive/violent players.

    (these include pushing referee's, punching other players - which can receive very long bans)

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    I haven't seen any of those yet, have received a few two games suspensions though where the second game is because of my appeal... But what about 3 match bans and an extra game if it's the player's second straight red of the season etc. Any chance of implementing this?

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    I have had booth 3 and 4 game bans. Booth removed efter my apeal but still..

    But only after the last update.

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    Is Update 3 still planned for February as it says in the original post or are delays pushing it to March?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua View Post
    Is Update 3 still planned for February as it says in the original post or are delays pushing it to March?
    I'm afraid its looking likely that it'll be sometime in early March - unfortunately the database update which is part of it hasn't been fully finalized yet and there are a number of checks which have to be run after that to verify that the database is correct and plays right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan View Post
    I'm afraid its looking likely that it'll be sometime in early March - unfortunately the database update which is part of it hasn't been fully finalized yet and there are a number of checks which have to be run after that to verify that the database is correct and plays right.
    Well early March sounds good. Thanks for the reply Marc. Is the Drag and Drop tactics in match feature implemented for Update 3?

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    The list of tweaks in update 3 seems quite small. Did you forget to update it Marc?

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    Any update on the update?

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    The update is approaching final QA - we've got a (hopefully) final database being checked at the moment then we'll have to proceed through the usual QA checks and submit to Apple ... please be patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafafloripa View Post
    The list of tweaks in update 3 seems quite small. Did you forget to update it Marc?
    No its correct as it stands - there are a couple of unannounced FMH changes which I've been working on, but they aren't ready for release yet and thus not posted (obviously when they are we'll let you chaps know).

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    Rangers starting with points deduction in new games

    And Portsmouth............?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan View Post
    No its correct as it stands - there are a couple of unannounced FMH changes which I've been working on, but they aren't ready for release yet and thus not posted (obviously when they are we'll let you chaps know).
    Thanks for the reply, Marc!
    I would like to add that there's one thing that really bugs me and I always forget to mention. It's about the board expecting "Continental Qualification" in the beginning of the season, on the "Season Expectations" message". I really think there should be a difference in which continental competition they're aiming for. As I don't think Chelsea board would be happy with an Europa League place. This expectation is even more out of place in the case of Brazil, where 8 clubs qualify for Sudamericana. So "Continental Qualification" means that you can finish anywhere from 1st until 13th-14th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewDriverNo1 View Post
    Rangers starting with points deduction in new games

    And Portsmouth............?
    Yep, Portsmouth deduction is in, also Kettering & Darlington

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    Hoping for a better Cristian Tello and Isaac Cuenca in the update...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol19 View Post
    Hoping for a better Cristian Tello and Isaac Cuenca in the update...
    And if you want to keep realistic, a much worst Fierro ;)

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    what about Ocampos?

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    I think Faraoni and Ocampos will be added...

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    and also Benzia (Lyon)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matteo3champions View Post
    and also Benzia (Lyon)?
    I don't follow French football, just German and the EPL. Lacazette seems to be doing fine though, I think he's in the game already.

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    By the time this update is released FM13 will be out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bantam Searley95 View Post
    By the time this update is released FM13 will be out
    This is a joke! It's APRIL a week on Sunday and we don't have the JANUARY transfer update. This update will only be realistic for about 8 games then It will be out of date again till Christmas & FM13.

    Are we always going to be six months behind with FMHi?

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    "It's APRIL a week on Sunday and we don't have the JANUARY transfer update"
    "Are we always going to be six months behind with FMHi? "

    February, March, April = 6 months, ermmm...
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    I meant game coming out in December when the season starts in July/August.

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    I doubt it would be practical to release a game in July/August myself. Why release during off peak in terms of buying when they can release near to Christmas when people recieve new iOS devices or gift cards/money? In a buisness sense it makes no sense. Plus they've always had good sales from around that period and it lets the season settle in and all loans/transfers to be finalised in order to allow a more complete and realistic database.

    As for the update though Russia's window was the latest and involved two Premier League players of quite a reasonable standard reparting and that was 24th Feb so it has only been a month which is QA time then Apple submission (we don't know how long it takes to pass Apple's tests and update into the store). Sadly it isn't just finish the app then it will be updated straight away, with the window even more so but there's been fixes and potentially new features added like always that need to be checked.

    Yes I am frustrated about it being this far from the window but I would rather SI do it properly and get it spot on, which I trust they'll do.
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    Or, they could make the databases download from their website during gameplay as a sort of DLC, no QA required, nor apple submission...

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    True, I'd love that but not sure how legally that would work or on a game structure in which it is (what I presume) a free access database by the scouts to edit then it is closed for a certain amount of time while the update is edited with the new database.
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    What does "tweaking of match simulation" mean exactly? My main problem with the game is matches feel so random. Regardless of what formation I use, how long I use it or if I'm home or away my results feel so random. I finished 2nd my first season with Arsenal and 7th the next.

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    The way matches are simulated I guess

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    Yes I am frustrated about it being this far from the window but I would rather SI do it properly and get it spot on, which I trust they'll do.

    Well said I suppose

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    Uhm...how would it not be legal? >.<

    It's exactly what the PC does, no? Just download it from the internet...

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    PC are iOS are released in the same way - updates at certain points to patch bugs and update the database in the 3rd update.
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    A better Miyaichi as well please Any chance for Hiroki Sakai from Kashiwa Reysol as well? I think Dortmund are lining up a bid for him.
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    Player abilities are something that the researchers would set, so if you'd like to comment on those, the Data Issues forum is the best place.

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    Everytime andrewdriver posts it's a moan. Lighten up mate, play drawsomething or summin.

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    What lovely weather we are having ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalface13 View Post
    What does "tweaking of match simulation" mean exactly? My main problem with the game is matches feel so random. Regardless of what formation I use, how long I use it or if I'm home or away my results feel so random. I finished 2nd my first season with Arsenal and 7th the next.
    I can assure you that there's some amount of chance involved - like real football - but it is definitely not random.

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    Is there any chance for support for the new iPad, or do we have to wait for FM13? FM would be amazing with retina graphics on the iPad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegardls92 View Post
    Is there any chance for support for the new iPad, or do we have to wait for FM13? FM would be amazing with retina graphics on the iPad!
    We won't be introducing a QXGA skin in this update (will be an awful lot of work!). The game does run fine with the existing XGA iPad skin on the iPad 3 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alari View Post
    We won't be introducing a QXGA skin in this update (will be an awful lot of work!). The game does run fine with the existing XGA iPad skin on the iPad 3 though.
    When alari says it will be an 'awful lot of work' - bear in mind I don't think anyone here has a computer monitor with a high enough resolution to display the QXGA full screen apart from anything else, so there goes our testing in 'emulation' on a Mac/PC ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegardls92 View Post
    Is there any chance for support for the new iPad, or do we have to wait for FM13? FM would be amazing with retina graphics on the iPad!
    Just to add my two cents since I have a "retina iPad" myself, FMH works really well and it all looks very nice . From a playing perspective it's not like the SD skin on a 4/4S (which I also have) where the 'HD' skin makes a lot of difference to the appearance compared to its predecessor. The new iPad handles the skin in FMH currently really well (and with any other app I've used I've found tbh), and the increase in graphics spec for the new iPad really does make everything run (and look) quite smooth IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Weatherby View Post
    Just to add my two cents since I have a "retina iPad" myself, FMH works really well and it all looks very nice . From a playing perspective it's not like the SD skin on a 4/4S (which I also have) where the 'HD' skin makes a lot of difference to the appearance compared to its predecessor. The new iPad handles the skin in FMH currently really well (and with any other app I've used I've found tbh), and the increase in graphics spec for the new iPad really does make everything run (and look) quite smooth IMO.
    Thanks, I'll try it!

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    Update is now out ..

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    Thanks!

    For the next one, annual salaries please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik33 View Post
    Thanks!

    For the next one, annual salaries please.
    This is already on the to-do list, can't give a promise as to timescale but hopefully it'll make it in at some point soon!

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    Nice to hear, thanks.

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    Will there be any more updates for FMHi 2012 ?

    Or is the next one FMHi 2013 ?

    New update is excellent, I'm not asking for anything just wondering as this is my first time away from the PSP version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewDriverNo1 View Post
    Will there be any more updates for FMHi 2012 ?

    Or is the next one FMHi 2013 ?

    New update is excellent, I'm not asking for anything just wondering as this is my first time away from the PSP version.
    We don't currently have any further updates planned that I'm aware of (and I really should be aware!)

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    So if I haven't purchased yet I should just wait till the new version?

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    At present we don't have any more updates scheduled for FMHi 2012 - however we'll be listening to feedback from people as always and if needed will release further updates to support the game (but at some stage we obviously do need to start work on FMHi 2013 ;) ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan View Post
    At present we don't have any more updates scheduled for FMHi 2012 - however we'll be listening to feedback from people as always and if needed will release further updates to support the game (but at some stage we obviously do need to start work on FMHi 2013 ;) ).
    Update the database again up to the Loan/Free transfer deadline, then you can start 2013 ;)

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    Has update 4 been submitted yet.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewDriverNo1 View Post
    Has update 4 been submitted yet.....?
    Its running through its final QA checks at SEGA/SI presently - should go into submission in the next week or two, no idea how long Apple is taking to approve things at present though ... hopefully not too much longer, fingers crossed.

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    any update on this?

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    We're waiting (im)patiently for Apple to approve the submission, it seems to be taking a while - but unfortunately isn't something we have any control over.

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    The update is now available in the app store

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    Following the update I have noticed the Coach Report screen doesn't display correctly. The write up in Physio is cut off and only shows half a line....


    Edit - this only appears where the coach has concerns and it runs to 3 lines.
    Last edited by Razza; 03-08-2012 at 15:37.

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    Luv this update but really want the feature to create ur player or team and I want to be able to manage ur nation u can do unemployed but not manage ur nation I think is very strange so can u do that for me. And thnx for the update
    Last edited by SwanseaRbest; 05-08-2012 at 08:13. Reason: Spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwanseaRbest View Post
    Luv this update but really want the feature to create ur player or team and I want to be able to manage ur nation u can do unemployed but not manage ur nation I think is very strange so can u do that for me. And thnx for the update
    You can actually manage your nation, but you need to earn it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razza View Post
    Following the update I have noticed the Coach Report screen doesn't display correctly. The write up in Physio is cut off and only shows half a line....


    Edit - this only appears where the coach has concerns and it runs to 3 lines.
    Yep, thanks for pointing it out - we're aware of this already.

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