Actually, they said that a long time ago.
SI and Steam stated that when you update the game via steam (and this year steam is the only way to do that), you must always update with the last version available.
So i would think that would be very clear to everyone that, when you update the game, there is no way to go back.
What you may argue is, the old system was better. Last year we could apply a patch, test it, and if we didn't like it, we could uninstall the game, and install it again with the patch that we choose. (for example last year there were 3 patches, but many people decided that patch 11.2 after testing patch 11.3)
This year we dont have this choice, because SI... the owner of the game... decided like this! It's their right!
doesnt matter if you agree with me or not, thats the way it is, you dont own FM, you own a license to play FM, that is all.
I do not know if it's been mentioned, but I have a much bigger issue when it comes to employe the staff than I had prior to 12.1.0. Previously I could have up to four coaches, in addition to the GK Coach, Fitness Coach, and Ass Manager, for a team in the Championship. After 12.1.0, I cant have more then two coaches, and it's pointless to ask the Board for more.
Is there have been some changes in relation to this with 12.1.0?
Was there a change to the ME? Couldn't see it when I was looking through the changelist. All three of my tactics have stopped working after the update and they were bloody brilliant before it. Might just be a coinsidense but i've hardly been able to score since the update, my strikers, central defenders and fullbacks have all, and I mean ALL (key players, first team, rotation, backup, youth) been averaging around 6.0 now but were all averaging between 6.9-7.6 before the patch (most in the range of 7.3-7.5). Is this just a coinsidense or do I need to make new tactics, or is this maybe because of the change to the moral settings or what is going on???
I think that prior to patch 12.1, you could have as much staff as the total.
for example, yur board allow 4 coaches, 3 first team coaches and 3 youth coaches.
In the previous patch you could contract 10 coaches, but with this patch you can only contract 4 coaches. If you want more you must decide if you are gonna contract them as first team coaches or youth coaches.
AI teams often have more coaches then the board allows, so what they had when you took over might not be what you can get when you start hiring new once. If you go to the boardroom you will see how many of which they allow you.
I've not played FM 12, so I can't comment on the various patches specifically. But the idea that you can't pick and choose which patch to play on is ridiculous. If SI are going to continue along with this steam thing, then I really think they should offer a way to manually 'rollback' to which patch you want to play on.
you've mistaken me, im not dismissing your point because it does not agree with mine, im stating what happens when you buy a PC game, you do not own the game, you own a license for the game, nothing more im afraid. You have no real rights over the software, you play with what SI decide, it is their game, they own everything about it, and can change exactly what they want, when they want, thankfully SI are good to us, unlike a lot of software companies.
If you want the option to revert to older versions you'll need to take it up with Steam, unfortunately most of their 30 million plus users don't so I doubt you'll have much luck.
That's not to say that SI can't support a request for such a feature but somehow I doubt they will.
I would imagine everyone working off 1 version and one delivery method makes their lives much easier when it comes to finding problems in the game.
Most likely, his tactic with Napoli thrived on superb morale to such a degree that even though he pushed up high there was no need to tell them to put pressure on the opposition defense as they did so more than enough just by being fired up. When the eternal state of superb-morale-induced semi-godhood dissipated, the tactic fell apart.
The AI is also better at defending themselves now.
So yes, you either need to tweak the tactic or build a new one from scratch.
How can I uninstall the 12.1 patch please ?
I would like to continue playing with the 12.04 version.
I installed the last patch because I hoped the transfer system would have been improved but I don't notice any difference.
you cannot unfortunately.
it seems that the new patch has done more harm than good and this isn't me saying that because it has got harder but there are several issues being discussed which shouldn't happen on the release of an update to make the game better!!
Again no you cannot, you will have to activate the game through Steam, as soon as you do this it will update the game to the newest version. There is no way for you to go back to the previous version of the game now you have updated.
I thought that was a given?
pigfacemonkeyman - Enough of the trolling it's getting tiresome,
If you have nothing constructive to post then I suggest not posting as you are just going to get yourself into trouble.
I hope you are happy SI you have taken away our rights to decide what version of the game we play and you cannot give a valid reason why you have done this. I have spent my money with others and now we are being told that it is your game, your product nd you can do what you like. I might as well give you my bank details so that you can steal my money because that is what you have done with this new patch. You are denying my right to choose because you have more power than the little customer and know one can touch you because we are small and you guys are the corporate power. Everyone should have the right to decide it feels like Miles and SI are dictators
James. If they had taken money for the patch, then you would've had a point but they don't.
The only right you have is basically to play the game the way SI intended it to.
Not having a go at you, mate. I'm just saying.
any details yet for a data patch or will it be in February now? apologies if it has been mentioned already...
Hasn't been mentioned but I'd be surprised if they do one before the January window ends, so yeh Feb/March is a fairly safe bet.
thanks for that
Just noticed I'm able to ask for a parent team with SPURS??? I've got continental reputation and won the league 3 times on the trott and Champs League last season, surely a bug
I was never ever able to that before as reputation wise we're second behind Man Utd in England and in the top 10 worldwide - befpre the patch it was always greyed out and said 'We're already in the top division' assuming that it's against the rules to have a parent club in the Premier League
Last edited by Matt123; 20-12-2011 at 23:23.
Edit: Have actually noticed since i first posted this that form might have played a part in this aswell. Everybody seems to be recovering from this slump (although not playing at the same level as they did before the patch), exept my top goalscorer and top central defender, that are still struggling. Since the others are starting to come around they must do aswell eventually.
Last edited by Stefanius; 21-12-2011 at 01:12.
I don't see a problem just because an option isn't grayed out anymore. Doesn't change a thing ingame.
Ok I tried and they wern't having it, just came as a suprise.
Also has the league position chart had it's colour changed from red to blue or am I going mad?
Crash dump after update, my great Vitesse save just ruined.
The same patching complain again and again.
Y U NO LEARN ? ;p
Reading through the posts here it reminds me how we really don't know how the game works and that leads to lots of speculation and thought about how it might work and why we are successful or unsuccessful.
Then when a patch comes out and changes something like morale we have people who suddenly find the game much easier or much more difficult. I can't help but wonder if the former just had a good off-season of new signings and the latter had a key injury. Or one of four dozen other factors happened.
In other words: it's bloody hard to tell what is making the difference. But isn't that what we love and brings us back - figuring out the puzzle.
Next up...correlation is not causation.
looking at the poll most people agreed the difficulty was about right on patch 12.04. 12.01 has completely ruined it for me.
Whereas if you look in the difficulty thread there were a fair few folk doing extraordinary things with teams that should not be doing them so early in the game and claiming the game was too easy.
Emm i got the update the other day i turn on just now it says updating now its back to version 12.0 anyone the same oh and on steam btw
Last edited by scooter28; 21-12-2011 at 16:49.
I am astonished people think this game is too difficult in the patch. I suck and like easy games but its is amazing people are moaning about morale. I still find it too easy to have high morale. I am 22nd in the league at present and my whole squad is good-superb more or less. Seriously, some people take such knee jerk reactions on threads like this. The pathc was out a few hours and some people were complaining about morale. The changes really werent significant and if these cry babies knew anything about statistics they would know that a 10 minute sample size is irrelevent.
Are you looking at the database selection? if so that will say 12.0 as there have still been NO database updates. You need to check game status to check which version you are running.
Mine has updated to 12.1.1 when I loaded up my computer just there.
Yeah, now it should be 12.1.1
Originally Posted by Neil Brock
Last edited by Karna; 21-12-2011 at 16:57. Reason: Added Update Note
Sorry yes it does say 12.1.1 i jumped in with 2 feet there before looking at everything
No worries easy done
Ah ok cheers mate
Is the bug related to offering contracts to coaches fixed ??
Just loaded up Steam to find that it was donwloading yet another FM12 update; can anyone shed some light on what this one is for? I'm sorry If I am being a bit naive and lazy by not reading any above posts which to explain what this update fixes but, I'm too lazy
I know about the update some days back, which has made the game far mroe challenging and enjoyable, but, for this one to be implemented, will I have to start a new save or is it save-game compatible?
And yet I still can't manage my U19's.
I told you guys about the bug ages ago and you said you were aware of it, I'm not the only one having it, and it still isn't fixed.
when can we expect a new update that fixes the problem of being unable to offer contracts to staff of who the transfer has been cancelled by the board ??
early feb, as usual, i'm guessing. cos of Jan transfer window, no point doing one before
EDIT: oops, was trying to answer the chap who was asking about data update......
And what about the bug with the match preparation?
It's been related to the bug forum, but so far...
This pretty much prevents me from using my assist manager to control my match preparation.
Hey guys, just wondering if someone could help...
I've just come back to a previous game of mine, and upon loading the game (for the first time in a while) Steam did the 12.1.1 update. Now I cannot see the faces of my regenerated players.
I've had a little go at re-loading the skin and in doing so have noticed that in the drop-down menu I can no longer select 'real and generated pictures', only 'none' and ' real pictures only'.
Just a little confused guys, can anyone help? A many great thanks in advance.
Thanks fella, I'll give it a shot. Thanks again for the reply.
So what is this actually supposed to represent and how big of an effect does it have on a country's regen quality?- Can now edit the nation youth rating field.
Also, does it affect all regens of that nationality or just regens that appear in the nation itself?
I'm surprised to see that many superstar-producing countries (for example, the Netherlands) have been given such low ratings.
Last edited by The Hand of God; 21-12-2011 at 19:09.
I'm still finding two things incredibly frustrating:
* It's almost impossible to loan out most players, with lower-division clubs seemingly too reluctant to take a gamble on young loanees - and on the rare occasion I do have an offer, my youngsters will pretty often reject them (for no apparent reason - it would be good if we had some feedback on why).
* Out-of-contract players consistently rejecting contract offers from apparently attractive clubs. Again, this happens for no apparent reason, and leads some high-quality international players to be out of football for many months or years at a time.
Very nice with a christmas present!
Happy christmas to all of you at SI and in the rest of the world.
shame this didn't fix the Villa & Newcastle scout n coach problems or the fact it goes to tv view when your watching only commentary after making changes
Is there a way to remove or hide the advice history on the staff profile?
I have found three issues in my game.
* There are way too many own goals. There has been one or more in four matches in a row now and I have noticed many before that as well. I haven't checked the statistics vs real life but surely there must be like 10-20% own goals in the Premier League season four.
EDIT: I counted them all up to 13th of March. 45 own goals in total, 11 of them in my matches. There are 784 goals so far, so the rate of own goals is 5,7%. Is that right?
* There's a change to the refereeing in the ME compared to what is shown on screen. Very often I see free kicks given where the guy having the ball is given a yellow card for holding back the guy behind him, and equally often the referee gives away a free kick for a foul that couldn't possibly have occured since the penalised player passed the ball away before the opponent came anywhere near him. Those occurences seem related, and even though I saw them once and again in 12.0.4 I see them much more often now... up to several times per match, I'd say.
* The commentary is too often completely at odds with what is happening on screen. This has always been the case with shots of all kinds being hailed with superlatives when the 3d animation shows the exact opposite. Now, they consistently call clearances that are panicly "bopped" away with various body parts - often to the nearest opponent - "clears the ball to safety" or "puts it into row z - he takes no chances there", while they call clearances that are hoofed into orbit and lands on the other half "scrambles it away". And there are a -lot- of clearances! It may seem like the patch's tweak of morale may have had the side-effect that the players are a lot less cool when put under pressure and I think this harms my enjoyment of the game. I don't watch Extended anymore because most of what I see is this:
Clearance-challenge-challenge-clearance-throw-challenge-challenge-clearance-corner-challenge-clearance-throw-challenge-clearance-cut.... ad infinitum... unless there's a goal then what I see is:
fantastic pass-fantastic pass-fantastic pass-fantastic through ball-fantastic dibble-fantastic shot-goal...
What I'm getting at is that it is too easy to see immediately what ends in a big chance so I tend to "skip" a lot using the fast forward slider. I think this has to do with me being used to the beautiful flow of superb-morale, motivated semi-god in-form football pre-patch, so the contrast to the rather mundane stuff I watch now is less entertaining even though the matches are more exciting.
Last edited by BiggusD; 21-12-2011 at 23:58.
Own goals in real life are at circa 4%, so 5.7% is not game breaking. There is a slight bug relating to defensive turns / positioning at the near post on crosses which will be causing this variation.
Would agree that some of the free kick awards look very dubious in graphical terms. Not sure if it is a bug, coded referee bias or just poor graphics though.
Don't agree that the football is any better or worse.
Coaches 5 got 5
Youth Coach 5 got 5
First team Coach 5 got 2
Goalkeeping coach 2 got 1
Fitness Coach 2 got 2
With that breakdown you would only be able to organise a First Team Coach, or a Goalkeeping coach, not a general coach.
i must admit i like the changes to the scouting: that scouts tend not to join based upon manager/club rep. makes things more of a challenge.
what i'm LESS keen on is the breakdown of allowed coaches. IRL surely i wouldn't have limits on 1st team coaches, coaches etc. Saints IRL have 7 physios! Palmeiras have 3 asst managers. i'd have thought that in the EPL board would be pretty lenient on how you want to set up your backroom.
so, something i like, something i'm less keen on. *BUT* why weren't these changes explained to us? there's v.little in the patch changelist and not a great deal on this thread regarding the thinking behind the changes.....
If you go to the boardroom overview the bottom left corner of the screen gives you the overview.
So you go "Club" - Boardroom - and look in the bottom left
Ahh yes you're right. I've never noticed it before because FM seems to think this information is not needed and cuts it off when in windowed mode. When I restore the screen it's then visible (even though I can't see the bottom 3 options).
But I am 5 coaches over the 8 advised (for "coaches") but under on the rest so I'll do a bit of re-shuffling. Is this a new feature then because presumably they would have cancelled more of my coaches before had it not been?