Football Manager 12.1.1 update *OFFICIAL* Feedback Thread

[Neil Brock]

Please keep all your feedback here!

Changelist can be found at this link - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7405295

[Graham FM]

cheers looks good

[themodelcitizen]

Will the updates apply (in terms of competition scheduling, etc) in a current saved game? Or do I need to restart?

[rafael_colorado]

how will the "X Hero" fix work? do I need to replay my promotion game or if I just load a post-promotion save it will work? thanks.

[SL19]

Is there ever going to be a data update?

[zoxy91]

thanks SI

don't need to start a new save right?

[Neil Brock]

No, as with all updates you never need to start a new save game - you're fine to continue your game.

However some changes (such as competition rules and scheduling changes) you'll need to start a new game for them to take affect.

[Hairy Coo]

Is there ever going to be a data update?

Common sense would say after the january transfer window

[W_Beattie]

I'm getting: 'This game is currently unavailable' when trying to launch and Steam is showing no downloads?

[Barkermush]

Is there ever going to be a data update?

More than likely.
After the January transfer market closes, like always.

[Neil Brock]

I'm getting: 'This game is currently unavailable' when trying to launch and Steam is showing no downloads?

I'd suggest reading this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7228260

Let me know how you get on, thanks.

[markyosullivan]

Thank you very much for the update!

[Barkermush]

Just installed the update, but now FM keep's freezing on the startup?

It's always at the exact same point:



It's done this 4 times now, I've had to to end the FM process in the task manager.

[PaulC]

The only people for whom I would recommend starting a new game are those specifically looking for a tough challenge, ie taking on a big club as an ex Sunday League player.

[lee_uk]

The only people for whom I would recommend starting a new game are those specifically looking for a tough challenge, ie taking on a big club as an ex Sunday League player.

Sounds very promising
good job to all at SI and Happy xmas

[Neil Brock]

Bakermush I'd also recommend trying this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7228260

[Barkermush]

Just installed the update, but now FM keep's freezing on the startup?

It's always at the exact same point:


It's done this 4 times now, I've had to to end the FM process in the task manager.

Nevermind

I've just closed Steam down and then restarted it, and it's working now.

[lmarsha_926]

Why get rid of the colors showing promotion and relegation zones on the new patch and what is up with the history graph

[Barkermush]

Bakermush I'd also recommend trying this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7228260

Thanks for the reply.

I've sorted it though, I just needed to restart Steam.

[Neil Brock]

Why get rid of the colors showing promotion and relegation zones on the new patch and what is up with the history graph

That's not the case here, are you running custom skins? May be worth refreshing your skin cache via the in-game preferences.

[lmarsha_926]

That's not the case here, are you running custom skins? May be worth refreshing your skin cache via the in-game preferences.

[Chris22]

Merry Christmas to All the SI Staff

[Reccy]

What about Celtic and Rangers match expenditure? This being more than Man Utd's etc?

[W_Beattie]

I'd suggest reading this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7228260

Let me know how you get on, thanks.

Download started as soon as validation finished and is now working. Cheers.

[swirlypop69]

Merry Christmas to All the SI Staff

This. Have a good one!

[Neil Brock]

As said lmarsha_926, it's not the case here, I'd suggest refreshing your skin cache in the preferences. Let me know how you get on, thanks.

[Lawlore]

I am delighted to discover that, given that I was in Offline Mode, the patch did not download automatically, and I had to go Online to get it. Although this might read like sarcasm, it's genuine- I do not want the game updating itself without me telling it to, as some have previously reported.

Happy Christmas to all at SI & Sega.

[Neil Brock]

I am delighted to discover that, given that I was in Offline Mode, the patch did not download automatically, and I had to go Online to get it. Although this might read like sarcasm, it's genuine- I do not want the game updating itself without me telling it to, as some have previously reported.

Happy Christmas to all at SI & Sega.

Glad to hear it and thanks for letting us know

[Hoarau]

Any reason why i cant load my own skin? Only have the optio for the Light & Dark SI options...

[ljwjones]

Adjusted expenditure at B-clubs - How is this one done, and by B team dill it mean second team in Spain?

[snoopy20]

how can i update this by myself ?

[Keyzer Soze]

No, as with all updates you never need to start a new save game - you're fine to continue your game.

However some changes (such as competition rules and scheduling changes) you'll need to start a new game for them to take affect.

Neil, just a question about this.
Will these changes take affect in the next season, or they will never take affect unless we start a new game?

[swirlypop69]

how can i update this by myself ?

Turn on Steam and put it in online mode, then right click on the game in your Steam library and select properties and then select updates in the new pop up mini window. Should be an option there.

[Dragonus]

- When the board decide to build a new stadium the game now adds an entry in the board request progress panel.

Does this really appear? My Malaga board had the Build New Stadium greyed out with the tooltip "Board request is being actioned". I assumed the problem had been solved with the fix quoted above but there are no indications of any new stadium being constructed by my board?

[Neil Brock]

Does this really appear? My Malaga board had the Build New Stadium greyed out with the tooltip "Board request is being actioned". I assumed the problem had been solved with the fix quoted above but there are no indications of any new stadium being constructed by my board?

It'll only appear for requests made after this update I'm afraid.

[trotter13]

Why hasn't the match engine ai been patched? the defenders don't work, they just let attackers run past them.

[Zidaneisgod]

Cant find that they fixed scoring from corners all the time? Was this fixed? Patch seems good though.

[The Hand of God]

- When tutoring when asked to change a player’s personality is used the competition news item no longer states little was gained.

Thank you for fixing this. Does this also mean successfully tutored players won't slightly dislike their tutor ala "gained little"?

[lmarsha_926]

As said lmarsha_926, it's not the case here, I'd suggest refreshing your skin cache in the preferences. Let me know how you get on, thanks.

Done that and changed the skin to the light version but still nothing

[Liverpoolfan]

i've just started my update via steam, i probably missed it when i checked the fixed list, but have you fixed that problem where the game pauses when you minimize it from full window?

[Neil Brock]

Done that and changed the skin to the light version but still nothing

Try this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7184731

[PaulC]

Why hasn't the match engine ai been patched? the defenders don't work, they just let attackers run past them.

We never intended to do much to the ME for any 12.X update. We were quite upfront about it. What changes there are are minimal.

Cant find that they fixed scoring from corners all the time? Was this fixed? Patch seems good though.

We believe corner goals will be shared more equally between human and AI. Play a season then judge.

[swirlypop69]

i've just started my update via steam, i probably missed it when i checked the fixed list, but have you fixed that problem where the game pauses when you minimize it from full window?

Yes they did, remember reading that.

[Macharius]

I didn't see it in the list of changes but was the FA Cup 'Big Four Youth/Reserve Team' issue tackled? Because I'm seeing some mixed results over a few tests I did with the FA Cup. Matches set to full detail.

[Zidaneisgod]

We never intended to do much to the ME for any 12.X update. We were quite upfront about it. What changes there are are minimal.



We believe corner goals will be shared more equally between human and AI. Play a season then judge.

Will do. Thanks.

By the way SI deserve big credit for how much you guys interact with your fans. Certain other game companies (I am thinking about a certain big one) could learn alot from you guys.

[Stu Coleman]

Adjusted expenditure at B-clubs - How is this one done, and by B team dill it mean second team in Spain?

This was primarily to address Spanish B teams losing too much money via daft independent financial manoeuvres.

Cheers.

[hehehemann]

Thanks for this big patch. Im ready to start my career game now

[Eugene Tyson]

Long list... very hard to read as it's all bunched together - a paragraph return might have helped

No better ability added to the UI for offering contracts?

Did the bug of a youth player on the transfer list getting a Champions League medal when he's never played a game for the club get fixed? That is - I had a youth player, never played for my team. And he got allocated one of the medals after I named a 20 man squad (rest were u21) - however, youngsters in my first team didn't get a Medal, but John Doe in u18 on the transfer list did. (For anyone that doesn't know, if you don't name a full squad for Champs League, then the club decide where the extra medals of the left over places, what player gets them.)


What about the Ref wearing the same colour jersey as the opposition team?


What about the Captaincy being too easy to change in the Team Meeting with a simple mistake of an extra click?


What about players getting called up for International duty that are i) Not at a club ii)At a club but played only 26 games in 6 seasons (e.g). FWI, that player was at the same team as a fellow National buddy, and the other player was playing regularly and wasn't called up?


Reports from old clubs? If I change club and scout a player - I had a former scout who never scouted england and had no knowledge - give me a scout report and then also compared him to my old team?



What about putting a "Pause" dialog to warn about proceeding to a Match without a Team Talk?


What about the Scout Reports slowing down the Player Search?



Signed a player that had no English. Journalists ask if the lack of communication will be a problem. Under my own Languages I'm noted as a native speaker....



Players getting unhappy with their current manager for not allowing team talks. Where it was I that cancelled talks.


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I've reported so many bugs. Am I wasting my time? There's way more than this from me alone? I realise that there's only a certain amount doable in a certain time. I appreciate all the hard work and Merry Christmas. I guess the patches thus far are a lot of hard work.


Thanks.

[GreyedOutMan]

Try this - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7184731

Not clear what you mean by this. This problem (no colours for European places/Playoffs) is an issue in all my skins, including the default ones - and it's really annoying.

[Neil Brock]

Not clear what you mean by this. This problem (no colours for European places/Playoffs) is an issue in all my skins, including the default ones - and it's really annoying.

If you delete the settings files as shown in that previous link then the colour settings will revert to default which should resolve this issue. As said this issue is not occurring here.

[GreyedOutMan]

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/64...FBE9983548D39/

Just to let you know what I mean.....

[Barkermush]

Any reason why i cant load my own skin? Only have the optio for the Light & Dark SI options...

I'm having the same problem. It's not picking up the custom skins since the update?

It's picking up all the other graphics etc, just not the skins...

[Lawlore]

If you delete the settings files as shown in that previous link then the colour settings will revert to default which should resolve this issue. As said this issue is not occurring here.

I'd just like to report the same problem, with the default dark skin- there are no playoff or relegation spots highlighted. I'll try the solution as stated.

[GreyedOutMan]

If you delete the settings files as shown in that previous link then the colour settings will revert to default which should resolve this issue. As said this issue is not occurring here.

Ah ok - it wasn't linking to the right place before!

[Cilio]

Long list to read :|

So,anyone can resume in one word? Corners bug is fixed or no?

[Neil Brock]

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I've reported so many bugs. Am I wasting my time? There's way more than this from me alone? I realise that there's only a certain amount doable in a certain time. I appreciate all the hard work and Merry Christmas. I guess the patches thus far are a lot of hard work.

Thanks.

Bit of a contradictory post, saying it's a long list of fixes then wondering if you're wasting your time by reporting issues! We always very much appreciate anyone who posts issues on our bugs forums but as you've rightly said we only have so much time. Sometimes what could be perceived as a relatively simple change (say for example the referee shirts clashing) could well be an issue which takes as long as a week for a single coder to fix. It's really not that straight-forward. Ideally yes we'd fix every single bug anyone ever comes across, it's just not feasibly possible to do so. As said, we really do appreciate anyone who takes the time to raise any issue and please if you can, continue to do so. Thanks.

[Glenn Wakeford]

What about the Ref wearing the same colour jersey as the opposition team?

What about putting a "Pause" dialog to warn about proceeding to a Match without a Team Talk?

The others aren't my area so I can't comment on them.

The clashes should be resolved, we can't guarantee they will all be there as there's so many thousands of combinations but I've been through every one reported to us with save game uploads and they were all resolved.

The other issue isn't a bug and is more a feature suggestion.

[Lawlore]

Deleting the cache did not fix the promotion/relegation colours issue.

[GreyedOutMan]

Neil - I have a question which is only partly related to this, although I'm guessing you've tested more than most (or at least have overseen testing), and I know you're on this forum now, so I thought I'd ask - I was just wondering how far the game has been tested this year? It seems to me to be the most playable game for years when you get far into the game (20+ years - I'm currently in 2032) - do you know what the furthest the game has been tested is, and how well it works deeper into the game, both speed-wise and in terms of playability?

[GreyedOutMan]

Oh - and deleting the cache didnt fix my promotion/relegation colours issue either. I really do need this fixed!

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/64...FBE9983548D39/

[dfgrigg]

Deleting the cache did not fix the promotion/relegation colours issue.

Yes, I can also confirm this. Deleting the settings as suggested above also did not solve it.

[CaylumM]

I have downloaded the patch but its not showing up on FM 12. I have restarted steam and still doesn't work, what do I do?

[abedali]

Would just like to point out if I may that Dejan Lovren still appears to be uncapped at international level for Croatia which is incorrect.

Also was wondering if Fabio Capello steps down in the game from the England role after Euro 2012 as he has said he would in real life?

Thanks

[oggie26]

Thank you very much SI/SEGA !!

Quick question if somebody can answer, will there be HD skin version released in future updates of FM12 or is this something you are looking to do for next years version ?

[Lawlore]

To elaborate slightly further, as I am towards the end of a season- it appears that teams who are guaranteed playoffs/relegation are coloured. 1st position is also always coloured.

It is only positions which have not been confirmed which are not coloured, when they should be.

In the Championship, nobody is yet confirmed for the playoffs or relegation. The top team, West Ham, are, however green. They are the only highlighted team in the division.

In League One, with five games to go, Sheffield Utd and Charlton are 1st and 2nd respectively, both guaranteed Playoff spots. They are both coloured, green and yellow, as they should be. The other playoff spots are not coloured, nor are the relegation spots, as nobody is confirmed relegated yet.

In League Two, both 1st (Sw*ndon) and 2nd (Bristol Rovers) are confirmed automatic promotion, and their colours are both green, as they should be. Again, there is no colouring for relegation, as nobody is yet confirmed down.

In the Blue Square Premier, where Southport are bottom and confirmed relegated, they are highlighted in red, as they should be.

[swirlypop69]

I have downloaded the patch but its not showing up on FM 12. I have restarted steam and still doesn't work, what do I do?

It wasn't a database update so it will still be 12.0.0 if you chose to start a new game.

[AndyMUFC]

just tried to open editor after the update completed and got this cant do anything now as cant load database or save file that im working on

now hating this auto update through steam

everything was working perfectly till now

[Jamie King]

To elaborate slightly further, as I am towards the end of a season- it appears that teams who are guaranteed playoffs/relegation are coloured. 1st position is also always coloured.

It is only positions which have not been confirmed which are not coloured, when they should be.

For example, in League One, with five games to go, Sheffield Utd and Charlton are 1st and 2nd respectively, both guaranteed Playoff spots. They are both coloured, green and yellow, as they should be. The other playoff spots are not coloured, nor are the relegation spots, as nobody is confirmed relegated yet.

In League Two, where both 1st and 2nd are confirmed automatic promotion, the colours are both green, as they should be.

In the Blue Square Premier, where Southport are bottom and confirmed relegated, they are highlighted in red, as they should be.

EDIT: Ignore what I said, follow Neil's 3 posts down. If that doesn't work, then let us know.

[Kriss]

Would just like to point out if I may that Dejan Lovren still appears to be uncapped at international level for Croatia which is incorrect.

Also was wondering if Fabio Capello steps down in the game from the England role after Euro 2012 as he has said he would in real life?

Thanks

First is a data issue so won't be corrected in this patch.

Second, errr that's not how the game works, he could change his mind and stay on or get sacked tomorrow (in real life) the same applies in the game.

[silverboot81]

Merry Christmas SI and thanks! Some very nice fixes indeed I was expecting.

[Neil Brock]

Oh - and deleting the cache didnt fix my promotion/relegation colours issue either. I really do need this fixed!

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/64...FBE9983548D39/

That's really unusual - can you try verifying as shown here - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7184719

If that doesn't work let me know. Thanks.

[GreyedOutMan]

In League Two, both 1st (Sw*ndon)

Wonder who you might support?

On a serious note - if anyone knows how to fix this, please let me know - I find this really irritating - it's amazing how much difference tiny features like this do make to the experience. Things like judging how many points I need to confirm promotion - seems so simple but seeing the colours means I can do it without thinking.

EDT: Neil - have done this. Is it normal that the game is updating before re-launching? I've already updated it with the patch....

[Ben Kenney]

Would just like to point out if I may that Dejan Lovren still appears to be uncapped at international level for Croatia which is incorrect.

Also was wondering if Fabio Capello steps down in the game from the England role after Euro 2012 as he has said he would in real life?

Thanks

Thanks for the feedback. In order to rectify these issues a data update would be needed. As Neil mentioned in his post there was no data update included in 12.1.0.

Cheers,
Ben

[Gee_Simpson]

I'm actually glad no ME changes were in this patch as it would have messed up the tactic I was using

So glad to hear the players out injured losing CA has been adjusted as it did seem quite harsh.

Thanks SI!

[Neil Brock]

Neil - I have a question which is only partly related to this, although I'm guessing you've tested more than most (or at least have overseen testing), and I know you're on this forum now, so I thought I'd ask - I was just wondering how far the game has been tested this year? It seems to me to be the most playable game for years when you get far into the game (20+ years - I'm currently in 2032) - do you know what the furthest the game has been tested is, and how well it works deeper into the game, both speed-wise and in terms of playability?

Well in theory as soon as 'real players' disappear from the game it'll be no different in terms of how the game is than in say 2021 than it would 2583. In terms of speed, yes the longer you go on the more memory will be stored so you could expect some slowdown, but as the number of players and non-players in the game should remain relatively consistent it wouldn't be much different. Nothing vastly different would occur, although of course things will change (I've seen current non-league teams in the Champions League for example) but the overall balance and gameplay won't be drastically different.

[marcftm]

Wahey the match engine finally runs smoothly now.

[ljwjones]

This was primarily to address Spanish B teams losing too much money via daft independent financial manoeuvres.

Cheers.

So how is it possible to do this then? Where is the option.

[GreyedOutMan]

Well in theory as soon as 'real players' disappear from the game it'll be no different in terms of how the game is than in say 2021 than it would 2583. In terms of speed, yes the longer you go on the more memory will be stored so you could expect some slowdown, but as the number of players and non-players in the game should remain relatively consistent it wouldn't be much different. Nothing vastly different would occur, although of course things will change (I've seen current non-league teams in the Champions League for example) but the overall balance and gameplay won't be drastically different.

I realise that's the idea (I've been playing CM/FM since 1997!!), but some versions are more playable longer-term than others. This one seems (so far) to be better than most, although its hard to put my finger on why....so just wondered if testing had revealed what it was like even further in (say....2060?!)

PS Verifying game cache seems to have fixed the problem. Cheers!

[delek]

What about scouts returning after one day when they have full knowledge? Has that been fixed? Can't see it on the list...

[Hoarau]

Any reason why i cant load my own skin? Only have the optio for the Light & Dark SI options...

Is it possible anyone can shed any light? Thanks.

[kstoyle]

Hello
The skins I had downloaded are now not available - I had been using flex12 skin which is still in the corect folder but does not appear in the dop down box under preferences. Any ideas?

[lmarsha_926]

Another minor problem, with the line in the history graph being blue for every team.



It seems most of the problems relate to graphics and the UI.

[★ OPZ ★]

Thank you SI.

[GreyedOutMan]

Another minor problem, with the line in the history graph being blue for every team.

It seems most of the problems relate to graphics and the UI.

I think this is a feature. There's also a green spot corresponding to each promotion. Nice touch.

[Neil Brock]

Another minor problem, with the line in the history graph being blue for every team.

It seems most of the problems relate to graphics and the UI.

Sorry I don't actually see what the problem is with this being blue?

Edit: With what GreyedOutMan said above.

[Tycobbler39]

Yay ! Happy holidays everyone

[Fernando Davis]

Just got to say... I Love you SI GAMES.

Lots of little tweaks here and there

[dooro23]

Can I ask for the notes on the "very minor tweaks to ME v987"? Thanks!

[Lawlore]

Just finished posting in the Bug Forum with info relating to the Promo/Relegation colours, hopefully it's something that just got borked by accident and can be quickly remedied.

And it's bad enough to see that team at the top of the division on my save, let alone having to type their name on this forum


EDIT: Just caught up with the "verifying cache" route- I'll give that a go.

[dolph11]

Ok, I verified skin cache and I can play the game, does that mean the patch is downloaded? It's not saying anywhere that it is. It says my most recent download was to 12.0.4 patch?

[viiralx]

All seems smooth as silk. <3

[crafty bison]

Any plans to increase AI transfer aggression in the post-January patch? There doesn't seem to be anything about it here. I fear the changes required are too wholesale to make it into a patch and we'll have to wait for FM13, but it would be good to have confirmation.

[Orange2000]

i don`t have any problems with Promo/Relegation colours

[JojoVillaHursty]

The only people for whom I would recommend starting a new game are those specifically looking for a tough challenge, ie taking on a big club as an ex Sunday League player.

Why is this as Im into a villa game with sunday league rep and if it make the challenge harder will look at doing this.
In what way does it get harder?

[dfgrigg]

Any plans to increase AI transfer aggression in the post-January patch? There doesn't seem to be anything about it here. I fear the changes required are too wholesale to make it into a patch and we'll have to wait for FM13, but it would be good to have confirmation.

They're certainly aggressive enough for me! Half the Premier League is trying to poach my players at the moment.

[dfgrigg]

Why is this as Im into a villa game with sunday league rep and if it make the challenge harder will look at doing this.
In what way does it get harder?

There was a change mentioned in the patch notes concerning the way top players respond to team talks from managers with very low reputation. So I imagine it's become much harder to motivate your players if you're playing as Villa with a Sunday League rep.

[Matorko]

Small bug - double info on missed pk:

http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3w/ug/8Y8Pids/capture.png

[wally13]

There was a change mentioned in the patch notes concerning the way top players respond to team talks from managers with very low reputation. So I imagine it's become much harder to motivate your players if you're playing as Villa with a Sunday League rep.

Yes correct, it dose't mean your going to lose every match now or anything like that but keeping players happy and moral up etc is now harder with sunday league or semi pro rep, at the higher levels obviously

[trotter13]

We never intended to do much to the ME for any 12.X update. We were quite upfront about it. What changes there are are minimal.

why? your just gonna leave it broken?

you've got to admit the ai is rubbish in FM12 and in FM11.

[JojoVillaHursty]

Hmm could be some fun I guess and a bit more realistic so will give it a go thanks guys