Brazil tumbling down the World Rankings.

**LeeChesters** · 19-11-2011 22:55

Never really paid much attention the Nations Ranking news item when it appears in my Inbox, but I noticed this...oh how the mighty have fallen

I've never seen a 'top' nation fall so quickly! Maybe a good Confederations Cup will give them a boost back up the rankings!

**AcidBurn** · 19-11-2011 22:57

That is quite crazy what have their results been like over the past couple of years?

**Nottingham Forest** · 19-11-2011 22:58

Someone else said that Brazil were 65th in their save. I think it was someone from OTF. It seems that there may not be as many great Brazilians coming through.

**Eugene Tyson** · 19-11-2011 22:59

What leagues are you running?

**LeeChesters** · 19-11-2011 23:04

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

That is quite crazy what have their results been like over the past couple of years?

2011:
http://i39.tinypic.com/1y8i6t.png

2012:
http://i40.tinypic.com/14jonrc.png

Originally Posted by Eugene Tyson

What leagues are you running?

Just the Brazilian League.

**AcidBurn** · 19-11-2011 23:05

2012 is bad maybe it is a lack of competitive matches?

**Nottingham Forest** · 19-11-2011 23:09

In real life, they don't have any more games until 2013 do they? I'm sure that's what it said when they were playing Gabon.

**LeeChesters** · 19-11-2011 23:12

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

2012 is bad maybe it is a lack of competitive matches?

That was my initial thought, just didn't expect such a drastic drop even with the bad run of results!!

**Barside** · 19-11-2011 23:12

I'm sure Brazil took a nosedive on my FM11 save in the two years before they hosted the World Cup, as Acidburn has eluded to the temporary drop is no doubt caused by the lack of matches so they do not get the points needed to maintain a top 10 position

**Eugene Tyson** · 19-11-2011 23:12

Brazil have Egypt and Sweden next. (How did they do there, Nov 2012, could be Dec?)

Can't find anything else?

What games have happened for them?

**Cougar2010** · 19-11-2011 23:15

Yes its the lack of competitive matches that causes the drop in the rankings although I didn't think it would be so severe.

**Jari Rantanen\'s Shorts** · 19-11-2011 23:20

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

2012 is bad maybe it is a lack of competitive matches?

After the world has ended, who have you got left to play against?

**AcidBurn** · 19-11-2011 23:23

Originally Posted by Cougar2010

Yes its the lack of competitive matches that causes the drop in the rankings although I didn't think it would be so severe.

Does this happen to some degree to all teams that host a World Cup?

**Cougar2010** · 19-11-2011 23:25

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

Does this happen to some degree to all teams that host a World Cup?

It will do as they miss a whole qualifying campaign of competitive matches over 18 months which give more ranking points than friendlies. I can't remember exactly but I think the World Rankings are calculated over a four year period so thats a significant loss of ranking points.

EDIT
Just looking at my FM11 save Australia are due to host the World Cup in a few months time and they dropped from a high of 40th to a low of 102nd.

Also Spain hosted the last European Championships and they dropped from 1st down to a low of 36th prior to the tournament.

**AcidBurn** · 19-11-2011 23:29

Their lowest world rankings on my save

2011 - 9th
2012 - 27th
2013 - 34th
2014 - 17th
2015 - 4th

**Barside** · 19-11-2011 23:36

I might have a look at how other host nations faired on my save, this could be a problem for European nations where seeding for qualifiers is driven by world rankings.

**LeeChesters** · 20-11-2011 12:43

They won the Confederations Cup and have climbed right back into fifth place in the Rankings, so I guess it was just the lack of competitive fixtures over the last two years as well as a few bad results in 2012. Normal business is resumed it seems!

**kris0710** · 20-11-2011 13:12

In my current save Brazil sank to a low of 21st in August 2012 but have climbed right back to the top now (2024)

Here is the current list:

1st - Brazil (world cup runners up 2018/2022, confederation cup winner 2013, olympics runners up 2012/2024, olympics third place 2016/2020, copa america winners 2019/2023)
2nd - France (world cup winners 2014/2018, confedration cup runners up 2017, confedration cup third place 2021, olympics winners 2020, euro championship winners 2012/2016/2024)
3rd - England (world cup winners 2022, confedration cup runners up 2021, euro championship winners 2020)
4th - Spain (world cup runners up 2014, world cup 3rd place 2018, confedration cup runner up 2013, olympics winners 2012/2024, euro championship runner up 2012/2020/2024)
5th - Italy (world cup 3rd place 2014, euro championship runners up 2016)
6th - Argentina (world cup 3rd place 2022, confedration cup winners 2017, olympics winners 2016, copa america winners 2015, copa america winners 3rd place 2023)
7th - Nigeria (olympics 3rd place 2024)
8th - Portugal
9th - Croatia
10th - Rep. of Ireland

Mexico were confedration cup winners in 2021 and 3rd place in 2013/2017.
Great Britian finished 3rd in 2012
Australia were olympics runners up 2016
Ghana were olympics runners up 2020

**kris0710** · 20-11-2011 13:21

Top 50 in my rankings (2024) consist of:

Europe: 22 teams
Africa: 15 teams
Asia: 5 teams
South America: 6 teams
North America: 2 teams
Oceania: ZERO teams (New Zealand highest ranked in 92nd)

Selected teams:
Germany are down in 31st place
Holland are in 13th place
Scotland are in 23rd place
Wales are in 65th place
Northern Ireland are in 136th place
USA are in 50th place
In 208th and final place is Aruba with 4 points.

**deathspawn666** · 20-11-2011 18:54

in my save i also noticed Portugal going down rank alot, from 8th to around 30th. running portuguese league only. seems running a league makes their international team play bad :S

**gasanini** · 20-11-2011 19:02

Hello, what do u expect? If Brazil plays only friendly games before World Cup 2014, theirs ranking has to drop dramatically! It goes the same with Poland and Ukraine before Euro 2012, Friendly games gives much lower ranking then a game in qualifying group etc.

**BayernMB** · 20-11-2011 20:02

Such extreme drops are unrealistic - Germany never dropped that low prior to 2006WC, or France in 1998...

**Cougar2010** · 20-11-2011 20:09

Originally Posted by BayernMB

Such extreme drops are unrealistic - Germany never dropped that low prior to 2006WC, or France in 1998...

Germany dropped as low as 22nd prior to the World Cup in 2006 while France dropped to 25th in 1998 but its worth pointing out that the rankings calculations have changed since then and that World football is probably more competitive now.

**LiquidFury** · 21-11-2011 02:25

On my save Germany sacked Loew after Euro 2012 and dropped like a stone. They were only playing with greyed-out players at the time, which is an explanation.

It's 2022 now and once dropping out of the top 10 in 2012, they've never gotten back there. Usually scrapping for 20th place but dropping into the doldrums of the 30s is not unheard of. They've got good regens, but only about 6 of them play for the national side.

And I was sure I 'enabled the full selection of the German side' too, to avoid a situation like this. Brazil aren't faring much better either. England won WC2014 & 2018 and were 1st for 5 years. They're currently 3rd and haven't had a single english manager yet. Capello -> Wenger -> Ranieri -> Mancini.

**blimey** · 21-11-2011 16:47

In my save Brazil didn't even made it to the Russian World Cup, hey, first time in 'history'...

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