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    How can you not call it a bug lol. Big name players retiring 30 y/o and younger due to a broken leg or ligament damage. Ben Arfa getting a fractured skull, coming back 8 weeks later, playing half a season, then retiring.

    Compare these instances to what really happens IRL and then come back. It's a bug, no need for denial/caution about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachy Bum View Post
    Yes but a injury of the required severity happens once in a blue moon. I've seen Henrik Larson and Cisse(at Liverpool) have their legs totally snapped in half. So bad it made you want to puke to look at the pictures. But they had operations and were playing again in a year.

    Of course you get really REALLY bad breaks like David Boost(sp?) but that's very very rare
    But you have to remember real life happens once.

    In fm, there is a gameworld for every seperate FM save. so you are replicating it by how many thousands of fm players there are. so for it to happen in 5 (think thats how many people have had it, or at least reported it) saves out of how many thousands shows it is still rare.

    It'd be nice to see the severity of the injury (i.e some leg breaks are much worse than others) shown in game
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    I'll have to have a look again but i think it was a broken leg. Never before in real life can i remember someone breaking a leg and then straight away retiring. Was totally bizarre and annoying cos i've lost the best left back in the world at the age of just 30. Should have been peaking at that age physically not retiring.

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    There is certainly a problem with players being eligible for selection once they've announce their intention to retire due to injury, if a player decides to hang up his boots because of an injury this should be immediate, where it is a case of father time catching up on the player & he's retiring due to persistent injury problems then I think it is fine to see him try & finish out the current season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE82 View Post
    I'll have to have a look again but i think it was a broken leg. Never before in real life can i remember someone breaking a leg and then straight away retiring. Was totally bizarre and annoying cos i've lost the best left back in the world at the age of just 30. Should have been peaking at that age physically not retiring.
    Given the latest advances in surgery's and reconstructions i wouldn't think any single leg break is career threatening.

    The rugby player Olly Barkley is a great example. Badly broken the same leg twice in recent years and is still coming back to play rugby with his leg full of rodes, plates & screws!

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    Quote Originally Posted by graves248 View Post
    It's normally to do with long running injury problems though, not a broken leg or something of that sort.
    His injury steamed from a broken ankle while training with England.

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    Im one of the ones who lost a player to this "bug". Personally I can see any player over 30 who misses a season due to injury considering retiring. Maybe they all wont, maybe on a different game Lucio breaks his leg and returns to Inter next season. Fact is anyone who gets hurt severly will consider putting themselves in that position again. We're all assuming long term injury = definite retirement that may not be the case at all. For all we know 100 players get injured seriously throughout the different leagues and only 1 retires

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert the Spud View Post
    Even if Terry were injured for the rest of this season IRL there's no way he'd just retire, unless he was crippled and in a wheelcahir. C'mon, use your common sense Kriss. Suarez, Cole, Terry retiring during the first season....be reasonable.
    All in different games I'm assuming, how many (hundreds?) of thousands of game is this not happening in?

    All I'm saying is that 5 or even 20 reports don't make it an issue necessarily, it needs much more info to prove or disprove it.

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    The key phrase there being 'stemmed from'. FM doesn't seem to have recurring injury problems yet, so it just seems a bit silly for a player to retire after one injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriss View Post
    All in different games I'm assuming, how many (hundreds?) of thousands of game is this not happening in?
    How are we supposed to prove a negative?

    There are doubtless many more unreported cases of similar events in games where people don't realise it or people don't report it. Just as there are many more cases where it isn't happening.

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    i had this last year a 19 year old wonderkid injured for 2 months and retired.

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    In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert the Spud View Post
    Even if Terry were injured for the rest of this season IRL there's no way he'd just retire, unless he was crippled and in a wheelcahir. C'mon, use your common sense Kriss. Suarez, Cole, Terry retiring during the first season....be reasonable.
    How do you know? Of course there will be a moment where he considers stopping.

    Long term injury doesnt necessarily have to mean retirement. Maybe someone else's Terry broke his back and returned next season.

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    Dean Ashton is the only one I can think of. Pretty rare for anyone under 30 to retire in the top flight through injury. Most will try and make a comeback and possibly lose stats, like Michael Owen losing acceleration and pace, but still being a top flight striker due to his other stats.

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    im still yet to see a screen shot of any?

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    The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life.

    Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    How are we supposed to prove a negative?

    There are doubtless many more unreported cases of similar events in games where people don't realise it or people don't report it. Just as there are many more cases where it isn't happening.
    As you say it's impossible to quantify on a forum like this, hundreds of thousands not here could be having several each or none at all, as long as it's pointed up as a possible issue SI have ways of checking it out.

    I can say I've got several hundred hours in on FM12 and it's not been apparent as an issue to me. (which I appreciate could just cast doubts on my perceptive powers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impale View Post
    The key point in this instance is that Ben Arfa will be playing football by Christmas. However you want to look at it, it's a flaw in the mechanics of the game. Either he has the injury and retires straight away, or doesn't retire at all. Not that he recovers, plays half a season of rigourous Premiership footie and then bows out.
    This is a fair summation of this particular situation and thus we'll treat this particular example as a bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Coleman View Post
    The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life.

    Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests?
    Got a feeling that this number has increased in this version....have you checked this issue? We are talking about stars here, not amateurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Coleman View Post
    The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life.

    Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests?
    Sounds like something John Terry would indeed do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridius View Post
    In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange.
    Got a screenshot??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utdchamp View Post
    Got a feeling that this number has increased in this version....have you checked this issue? We are talking about stars here, not amateurs.
    That is on this version of the game, it would have been fairly irrelevant of me to bring up stats from previous games with respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriss View Post
    As you say it's impossible to quantify on a forum like this, hundreds of thousands not here could be having several each or none at all, as long as it's pointed up as a possible issue SI have ways of checking it out.

    I can say I've got several hundred hours in on FM12 and it's not been apparent as an issue to me. (which I appreciate could just cast doubts on my perceptive powers)
    It's impossible, yes, but that is why you assume that these bug reports are a sample of the whole forum (i.e. the proportion can be generalised over your entire userbase).

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    It's impossible, yes, but that is why you assume that these bug reports are a sample of the whole forum (i.e. the proportion can be generalised over your entire userbase).
    "assumption is the mother of all **** up's"

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    Default Ross Barkley retires!!

    6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18

    Bug? surely

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    its ruined my game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridius View Post
    In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange.
    Hes still playing in mine and who knows how many elses. What are the odds of Terry retiring at end of season? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? They arent 0, theres no such thing as no chance in such environments. How many games it happening in? 1 in 10,000?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milnerpoint View Post
    "assumption is the mother of all **** up's"
    That is the fairest method. In the absence of any other information, inventing a method like "even 20 cases might not be enough" is no better.

    It is even worse to assume that everyone who has reported this issue represents every single person who has run into this issue, and therefore there are no others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtradj View Post
    Ross Barkley retires!!

    6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18

    Bug? surely
    This seems very strange!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene Tyson View Post
    This seems very strange!
    im gutted mate what a waste of a season, i feel like starting again, i was going to sell him in future for much needed cash, great player aswell

    i just cant see how an 18yr old would retire on a groin injury

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    Using the Premier League as a sample size, how many players have retired due to injuries in, lets say the last five years?

    Can only think of Dean Ashton off the top of my head.

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    and i think before then it was Casiraghi back in 2002?

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    Here's a list I copied from another site

    Here are some of the Premier League players past and present that we know are retiring or that we think may retire this year

    Paul Scholes - Currently playing for Man Utd
    Patrick Viera - Currently playing for Man City
    Jonathan Woodgate - Currently playing for Tottenham
    Ledley King - Currently playing for Tottenham
    Sol Campbell - Released by Newcastle
    Dean Kiely - Currently playing for West Brom
    Kieron Dyer - Currently playing for West Ham
    Jody Craddock - Currently playing for Wolves
    Edwin Van Der Sar - RETIRED
    Nwankwo Kanu - Currently playing for Portsmouth
    Kasey Keller - Currently playing for Seattle Sounders
    Gavin McCann - RETIRED
    Owen Hargreaves - Currently playing for Man City
    Jerzy Dudek - Just left Real Madrid
    Nicky Butt - Currently playing for South China
    Robert Pires - Currently playing for Aston Villa
    Stephen Carr - Currently playing for Birmingham
    Kevin Phillips - Currently playing for Birmingham
    Michel Salgado - Currently playing for Blackburn

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    How many of those players are either over 35 or the wrong side of 30 & with a history of injury problems?

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    i can see this thread making 20 pages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    How many of those players are either over 35 or the wrong side of 30 & with a history of injury problems?
    Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealistic

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    My uncles friend played for Chesterfield FC and had to quit due to injury at an early age and i know several players on the non league scene that have quit due to injury or other commitments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_macleod View Post
    Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealistic
    Where have I said anything about this situation being unrealistic?

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    Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTC View Post
    My uncles friend played for Chesterfield FC and had to quit due to injury at an early age and i know several players on the non league scene that have quit due to injury or other commitments.
    At lower-league sides, it's likely more common as teams are less likely to afford the treatment and contracts are short (so they are under no obligation to treat). Plus bouncing back makes less financial sense (i.e. a Premier League player might bounce back in the Championship after injury, which doesn't carry a terrible wage penalty, although substantial).

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    Ashton had several setbacks with the same injury. It wasn't a case of 'BOOM LEG BREAK ID BETTER RETIRE RIGHT AWAY'.

    Also, non league retirements are much more common for a number of reasons. Their talent doesn't justify the cost for expensive specialists and medical treatment, and they just aren't paid enough money to spend long periods on the sidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_macleod View Post
    Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealistic
    He didn't just sprain his ankle. Basically, the original break was a terrible one and when he came back it never felt right, event though he played another 25 odd games. The cause was from the original break in that the cartilage became unstable and wore away. They had to fuse his ankle bones together just so he could walk again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utdchamp View Post
    Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues.
    This is a fair point and and aspect of it we'll look to improve.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtradj View Post
    6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18

    Bug? surely
    Oh that's just genius SI. I'm sure there's some justification though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtradj View Post
    im gutted mate what a waste of a season, i feel like starting again, i was going to sell him in future for much needed cash, great player aswell

    i just cant see how an 18yr old would retire on a groin injury
    Maybe it was impacting his sex life he got scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utdchamp View Post
    Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues.
    Plus money to pay for the best treatments!

    I'm sure Owen Hargreaves would have retired 3 years ago if he was earning £300 per week and getting his knee fixed on the NHS!

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    Do you only get these reports for players you yourself manage? Or do news items come up telling you a major or promising player has retired due to injury or not being able to find a club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dSquib View Post
    Do you only get these reports for players you yourself manage? Or do news items come up telling you a major or promising player has retired due to injury or not being able to find a club?
    I got it for player I managed so have the others except for one, who just happened to find John Terry as a coach post retirement.

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    I bet that damn cheating AI is the REAL problem here.

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    Turneep

    Fair to say then that many "premature" retirements are being missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turneep View Post
    How do you know? Of course there will be a moment where he considers stopping.

    Long term injury doesnt necessarily have to mean retirement. Maybe someone else's Terry broke his back and returned next season.
    It is just common sense really. John Terry, at 30 y/o, would just not retire after a season of injury. SI researchers make assumptions on players all the time, that are gleaned from a personal perspective. That JT would not quit football so young for a half-season or season long injury, which is ok to come back from, is an objective fact.

    These are big name players retiring. It's simply not congruent with real life, when you consider the Owen's, the Hargreaves, the Ramsey's, Ben arfa's, Woodgate's etc etc, that players such as Cole, Terry, Suarez etc would retire from injuries which have been proven time and time again to be perfectly treatable! There are rarely any big time players who retire through such problems.

    And the Ross barkley/groin strain for two mths retirement is surely an indication that there is a problem within the game, that will likely become more prevalent in people's saves.

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    Ok, so its the 8th November in season 3, and Ben Arfa has returned after his 3 months out with a fractured skull. He still plans to retire at the end of the season. Whilst I can get on board with the career threatening injuries (even though it seems to be happening a lot to some top players), the fact that he is now going to play on for 7/8 more months and THEN retire is something that surely needs looking at. I can't imagine this happening in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutch3723 View Post
    Ok, so its the 8th November in season 3, and Ben Arfa has returned after his 3 months out with a fractured skull. He still plans to retire at the end of the season. Whilst I can get on board with the career threatening injuries (even though it seems to be happening a lot to some top players), the fact that he is now going to play on for 7/8 more months and THEN retire is something that surely needs looking at. I can't imagine this happening in real life.
    This case is definitely an issue. he'd either retire because of injury, or not at all.

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    I've never had a single retirement in my many years of playing FM. I'd be delighted if it happened more often. We can't listen to a billionth of a percentage of people who think that everyone should be injury-proof forever.

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    I don't think I've ever seen a player retire instantly in any CM/FM gane, it's always announced as being at the end of this or next season. Could it be that the game simply doesn't allow for instant retirements (such as Gary Neville's retirement last january) and simply sets the retirement date at the end of the season, even if injury problems is the cause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene Tyson View Post
    Here's a list I copied from another site

    Here are some of the Premier League players past and present that we know are retiring or that we think may retire this year

    Paul Scholes - Currently playing for Man Utd
    Patrick Viera - Currently playing for Man City
    Jonathan Woodgate - Currently playing for Tottenham
    Ledley King - Currently playing for Tottenham
    Sol Campbell - Released by Newcastle
    Dean Kiely - Currently playing for West Brom
    Kieron Dyer - Currently playing for West Ham
    Jody Craddock - Currently playing for Wolves
    Edwin Van Der Sar - RETIRED
    Nwankwo Kanu - Currently playing for Portsmouth
    Kasey Keller - Currently playing for Seattle Sounders
    Gavin McCann - RETIRED
    Owen Hargreaves - Currently playing for Man City
    Jerzy Dudek - Just left Real Madrid
    Nicky Butt - Currently playing for South China
    Robert Pires - Currently playing for Aston Villa
    Stephen Carr - Currently playing for Birmingham
    Kevin Phillips - Currently playing for Birmingham
    Michel Salgado - Currently playing for Blackburn
    mate that list is wrong

    Phillips is at Blackpool, Pires is not at villa, Scholes retired last summer, Viera is not at city, and Woodgate is at stoke

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    so are SI going to release a patch to fix this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtradj View Post
    so are SI going to release a patch to fix this?
    I hope so, or at least bring the patch date forward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonBlade View Post
    I've never had a single retirement in my many years of playing FM. I'd be delighted if it happened more often. We can't listen to a billionth of a percentage of people who think that everyone should be injury-proof forever.
    that is not what people are saying, john terry got injured for about 6 months with a minor injury and retired because of it! ben arfa got injured at 26, got fit and played for 6 months then retired!

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    Oh please. Every version of FM is guaranteed to have 8000000 "2 Muny injuriz!!!!!!!" threads. Here is one in which a player, rightfully, decided that his life was more important than a game, and people are up in arms. Who are you to decide if a player should carry on after an injury? History is awash with players who've decided to hang them up after a relatively minor injury, and equally we have a load of players who keep going even with no legs (hi Ledley King).
    That's why we have squads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonBlade View Post
    Oh please. Every version of FM is guaranteed to have 8000000 "2 Muny injuriz!!!!!!!" threads. Here is one in which a player, rightfully, decided that his life was more important than a game, and people are up in arms. Who are you to decide if a player should carry on after an injury? History is awash with players who've decided to hang them up after a relatively minor injury, and equally we have a load of players who keep going even with no legs (hi Ledley King).
    That's why we have squads.
    Would you like a bucket of sand to go with that? I would argue that it is far too early to be calling for a patch to fix a problem that might not actually exist but to simply talk down to people because you are 100% sure that it doesn't is as unhelpful as calling for an immediate patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUFC1995 View Post
    that is not what people are saying, john terry got injured for about 6 months with a minor injury and retired because of it! ben arfa got injured at 26, got fit and played for 6 months then retired!
    A broken leg isn't a minor injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Coleman View Post
    A broken leg isn't a minor injury.
    It's not an injury that would force you to retire either. Cisse's leg was hanging off and he made a come back.

    Seriously something up with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene Tyson View Post
    It's not an injury that would force you to retire either. Cisse's leg was hanging off and he made a come back.

    Seriously something up with this.
    it could quite easily be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene Tyson View Post
    It's not an injury that would force you to retire either. Cisse's leg was hanging off and he made a come back.

    Seriously something up with this.
    You can definitely be forced to retire from a broken leg, its not cut and dried. Some people comeback differently some breaks are worse than others

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    Quote Originally Posted by graves248 View Post
    Using the Premier League as a sample size, how many players have retired due to injuries in, lets say the last five years?

    Can only think of Dean Ashton off the top of my head.
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    But by the sound of things...SERIOUS injuries are too common. My 3.5M striker (I'm playing as Zurich, that's A LOT of money) just went down with a damaged spine (2-3 months). I can't play now cause I KNOW he will retire. Have to wait for something to fix this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candre168 View Post
    But by the sound of things...SERIOUS injuries are too common. My 3.5M striker (I'm playing as Zurich, that's A LOT of money) just went down with a damaged spine (2-3 months). I can't play now cause I KNOW he will retire. Have to wait for something to fix this.
    Why on earth are you convinced he'll retire? Only a small number of people have seen this happen so it's a fairly rare occurrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candre168 View Post
    But by the sound of things...SERIOUS injuries are too common. My 3.5M striker (I'm playing as Zurich, that's A LOT of money) just went down with a damaged spine (2-3 months). I can't play now cause I KNOW he will retire. Have to wait for something to fix this.
    LOL!!! Seriously!

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    As I see things the current situation can be best described by one of the following statements
    1. There is no problem, not helped by reeling off real world examples though. A simple reply from SI confirming that this feature has been exhaustively tested over the years & nothing abnormal was reported in this years beta
    2. There are indications of a problem, not helped by people jumping up & down screaming 'there is a problem' & demanding a patch. Best option is to post in the bugs forum & upload save files, perhaps do some soak testing of your own.
    3. There is a problem but SI have been unable to isolate the cause &/or a solution that does not cause another problem. This one is easy to handle, just need SI to say so & again refrain from reeling off real life examples of retired players & community to repeat action suggested in statement 2
    4. There is a problem & SI are aware of it but due to a grand conspiracy by Miles they will not fix it until they figure out how to increase revenues when they release the fix. This one for those not paying attention is not all that serious.
    Simply put guys, what happens in real life is less important than what happens in the game, prove whether there is a problem with the frequency of player retirements following certain injury types or in the case of SI confirm the numbers that were presented in testing & from there the discussion can move to what is realistic behaviour from the players if there is a discrepancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelicanstuff View Post
    Why on earth are you convinced he'll retire? Only a small number of people have seen this happen so it's a fairly rare occurrence.
    I'm fairly sure that was a windup....

    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    As I see things the current situation can be best described by one of the following statements
    1. There is no problem, not helped by reeling off real world examples though. A simple reply from SI confirming that this feature has been exhaustively tested over the years & nothing abnormal was reported in this years beta
    2. There are indications of a problem, not helped by people jumping up & down screaming 'there is a problem' & demanding a patch. Best option is to post in the bugs forum & upload save files, perhaps do some soak testing of your own.
    3. There is a problem but SI have been unable to isolate the cause &/or a solution that does not cause another problem. This one is easy to handle, just need SI to say so & again refrain from reeling off real life examples of retired players & community to repeat action suggested in statement 2
    4. There is a problem & SI are aware of it but due to a grand conspiracy by Miles they will not fix it until they figure out how to increase revenues when they release the fix. This one for those not paying attention is not all that serious.
    Simply put guys, what happens in real life is less important than what happens in the game, prove whether there is a problem with the frequency of player retirements following certain injury types or in the case of SI confirm the numbers that were presented in testing & from there the discussion can move to what is realistic behaviour from the players if there is a discrepancy.
    See post #116.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Coleman View Post
    See post #116.
    Missed that, hadn't realised the thread had move on so much since I last checked, although I guess point 2 still stands.

    /walks away somewhat sheepishly

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    The problem with a lot of this issues is that various people reporting from various saved games. Combined, it looks like an issue. But if you look at each saved games it's probably just coincidence. It's the same with injuries. Whenever there is someone posting that there is an injury bug, everyone who has an injury problem in his club will join in and some people will gather all the posts and start a new thread about the big injury bug.

    Such things have to be tested with various long term games until you know if there is something or not. And it takes some time. Always.

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    @ Stu Coleman (twitter has a lot to answer for) I guess there is a follow up question of whether the proportion of top division players retiring due to injury has increased from previous FM's? Even if the overall percentage has remained more or less stable over the years there might be other factors at work that have inadvertently resulted in a shift towards more high profile players calling it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KUBI View Post
    The problem with a lot of this issues is that various people reporting from various saved games.
    This. You can't really take the thousands of gameworlds that are running on the machines of different FM users, take a total number of some instances in all these gameworlds and compare it with real life totals that are from one single instance of a "gameworld". Like Stu already posted above, the number of players retiring each year in an FM gameworld is very low.

    And like Stu already said in post #118, the issue of a player deciding to retire due to injury but still coming back to play for the remainder of the season is a legit issue which we are looking into as that is obviously a bit odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riz Remes View Post
    This. You can't really take the thousands of gameworlds that are running on the machines of different FM users, take a total number of some instances in all these gameworlds and compare it with real life totals that are from one single instance of a "gameworld". Like Stu already posted above, the number of players retiring each year in an FM gameworld is very low.

    And like Stu already said in post #118, the issue of a player deciding to retire due to injury but still coming back to play for the remainder of the season is a legit issue which we are looking into as that is obviously a bit odd.
    I think the problem would be that it is high profile players with quality medical teams working on them 24/7. John Terry and Ashley Cole shouldn't be retiring due to injury. Modern medical science is so advanced that other than Dean Ashton I can't really think of anyone of the top of my head who has had to retire in recent years in the premier league due to serious injury? My case at Queen's Park is understandable, I'm just pretending he's a student at Glasgow University studying some form of medicine and believes he shall never heal 100% unless he retires, thus pursuing his other interest. It's just the same can't be said for John Terry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridius View Post
    In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange.
    I think early retirement in the game occurs too often. Some of them even aren't due to injury.
    I'm going to go on holiday and check if there is a rapid increase of player-turned-managers at 30-32.

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    Experienced CB Emir Spahic (33) has just announced he will retire at the end of the season after suffering from a broken ankle (2-3 month injury).

    Problem for me is that he states he is looking forward to returning to action as soon as possible implying he wants to get back to playing and recovering straight away, not playing two games after his injury and then quitting the game. He's getting a good amount of football for his club Sevilla (14 appearances) and was still a part to the Bosnian national side boasting over 70 caps and being one of their best CB's.

    I'd just prefer it if the players reasons for the retiring were explained better in game. If he stated it was due to the injury in his personal page it would be much more clear to me.

    Overall makes little sense retiring planning to retire due to the injury though. fwiw this doesn't effect me, just stating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridius View Post
    In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange.
    Some players plan to retire at 31-32 even when they are doing great! I just went on holiday for 6 years and got these cases








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    Quote Originally Posted by dutch3723 View Post
    Ok, so its the 8th November in season 3, and Ben Arfa has returned after his 3 months out with a fractured skull. He still plans to retire at the end of the season. Whilst I can get on board with the career threatening injuries (even though it seems to be happening a lot to some top players), the fact that he is now going to play on for 7/8 more months and THEN retire is something that surely needs looking at. I can't imagine this happening in real life.
    yeah this makes absolutely no sense, at all.

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    dont players usually wait until they have fully recovered from a bad injury before saying they will retire due to the injury? if they retire before, do the clubs still pay for their recuperation? i dont think so - so it makes sense for a plyaer to wait until getting a full bill of health before deciding that even though they are back to full fitness, its better if they retire.
    if its constant small niggly injuries then maybe not, but bad injuries, yes.

    in my opinion, the decision on whether to retire from a bad injury should be held off until the player is back in training. at least, for the vast majority of players. most players will want to see whether they can still cope after their injury and they wont know that if they decide to retire while still injured

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    Quote Originally Posted by postal postie View Post
    dont players usually wait until they have fully recovered from a bad injury before saying they will retire due to the injury? if they retire before, do the clubs still pay for their recuperation? i dont think so - so it makes sense for a plyaer to wait until getting a full bill of health before deciding that even though they are back to full fitness, its better if they retire.
    if its constant small niggly injuries then maybe not, but bad injuries, yes.

    in my opinion, the decision on whether to retire from a bad injury should be held off until the player is back in training. at least, for the vast majority of players. most players will want to see whether they can still cope after their injury and they wont know that if they decide to retire while still injured
    pretty sure you're wrong. if you're injured on the job, it's the clubs job to get you back to health. it's generally in the contract. or to us working folk- workmans compensation. what if there is no way they could ever play again from the injury? paralyzed or something? would the club not be responsible to help with the treatment? of course they would.

    i cannot remember a player getting a career ending injury, coming back, playing a few months, then deciding- eh, i'm done, especially at a young(ish) age. sub-30 for sure when they're making millions.

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    Default De Guzman retires at age of 24

    De Guzman retires at age of 24...seriously? He seems reallly determined to overcome injury




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    Went on holiday without managing a club and found Nemanja Vidic was retiring at 32.





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    This. You can't really take the thousands of gameworlds that are running on the machines of different FM users, take a total number of some instances in all these gameworlds and compare it with real life totals that are from one single instance of a "gameworld". Like Stu already posted above, the number of players retiring each year in an FM gameworld is very low.
    But it seems people are mostly only noticing the retirements of their own players, except for one player who just happened to come across John Terry as a coach, having retired at 32. You don't know how many players are retiring suddenly in these game worlds, but if we can extrapolate from the clubs being managed by FM players, probably many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGiant View Post
    Went on holiday without managing a club and found Nemanja Vidic was retiring at 32.
    He'll actually be nearly 34 on the retirement date.

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    vidic one isn't too odd, the de guzman one is another laughable one.

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    Seems like if anyone suffers a serious injury the chances of him retiring is almost 90%. SI should just reduce the probability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthetoon View Post
    Seems like if anyone suffers a serious injury the chances of him retiring is almost 90%. SI should just reduce the probability.
    The chances are definitely not that high. Like we've already said, the number of players retiring due to injuries over one full season in the gameworld is very low. There are a few related issues we've already said we are investigating, such as a player deciding to retire but still coming back to play the last part of the season. We're also checking up on some of the injury related retirements of younger players but overall the probability of a player retiring due to an injury is very low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riz Remes View Post
    The chances are definitely not that high. Like we've already said, the number of players retiring due to injuries over one full season in the gameworld is very low. There are a few related issues we've already said we are investigating, such as a player deciding to retire but still coming back to play the last part of the season. We're also checking up on some of the injury related retirements of younger players but overall the probability of a player retiring due to an injury is very low.
    so basically there is a problem in this area. and thanks for acknowledging it and looking into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthetoon View Post
    so basically there is a problem in this area. and thanks for acknowledging it and looking into it.
    Did you actually read what you quoted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riz Remes View Post
    The chances are definitely not that high. Like we've already said, the number of players retiring due to injuries over one full season in the gameworld is very low. There are a few related issues we've already said we are investigating, such as a player deciding to retire but still coming back to play the last part of the season. We're also checking up on some of the injury related retirements of younger players but overall the probability of a player retiring due to an injury is very low.
    It doesnt matter how high the chances are. The problem is all of these people are retiring when they realistically never would have. Vidic above for example had an excellent season in one of the best clubs in the world. His paycheck is enormous and his contract runs out in 2016, a year AFTER he retires. It's nice that you implemented this feature but how you didn't take players wages in account is beyond me, same goes for the GK Positioning training but thats a topic for another subject...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riz Remes View Post
    The chances are definitely not that high. Like we've already said, the number of players retiring due to injuries over one full season in the gameworld is very low. There are a few related issues we've already said we are investigating, such as a player deciding to retire but still coming back to play the last part of the season. We're also checking up on some of the injury related retirements of younger players but overall the probability of a player retiring due to an injury is very low.
    Can you not acknowledge the de Guzman and other young retirements are actually really unlikely to happen in real life? With modern technology, if you get an injury when you're young, there's a good chance of a comeback. I can understand retirement if the player was 30+, but in the sports world people are coming back from multiple broken legs, fractured skulls and even cancer.

    The only type of problem that is certain to take you out of the game is a heart ailment (and other serious health concerns).

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Did you actually read what you quoted?
    yea. they admitted a problem in that area. and are investigating. =) you couldn't understand it? or living in denial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jase19 View Post
    vidic one isn't too odd, the de guzman one is another laughable one.
    It's extremely odd! Had a great 13/14 season, breaks ankle for 2 months in october 2014 and decides to call it a day at the end of the season despite having a contact until 2016? Cmon...

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    Michael Owen decided to retire after an injury in mine (he broke his ankle on the 20th of August in the first season), although it's not really surprising considering his history with injuries.

    News Item of the announcement: http://cl.ly/BGD9

    Edit: I should say I can ask him to reconsider though (but I think it's best letting him retiring as a footballer and making him a coach so I can bring youth through).
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    I feel this would be a lot more understandable to the user if the player was trying to come back from the injury, but encountered varying types of setbacks and felt he had to retire after struggling with those for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    Paul Lake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lake
    Ben Collett - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Collett

    To be honest the injury set-up hasn't changed in this manner since FM11. Players do get injuries and retire, it's desperately unlucky for manager and player (I had Kieron Dyer retire for Newcastle a number of versions back) but it does happen both IRL and in-game.
    Both these guys tried to get back to fitness and worked hard in physio, in Lakes case for years before finely calling it quits. I want FM to replicate career ending injuries I just want the players who suffer them to react realistically. I'm fine with a 35 year old calling it a day after a double leg brake but younger players should make an attempt at a come back before reluctantly throwing in the towel.

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