Cant get online to steam

[craigcwwe]

So im trying to install FM12 but i can get steam to connect to the Internet, anyone know what to do?

[StoneColdA]

You have to wait until midnight to be able to play, as the activating process wont be unlocked until.

[Matt ex SEGA]

Are you running it in offline mode?

[craigcwwe]

Are you running it in offline mode?

Steam is in offline mode, but it says i need to get steam online to install but i cant get steam to go online

[swirlypop69]

Did you purchase through Steam?

[Nottingham Forest]

He's got the game through disc.

[craigcwwe]

Yeah i have the boxed, disc version

[swirlypop69]

He's got the game through disc.

That's what I thought.

If you are using a disc craig, you won't be able to install the game until it is released at 00:00:01 am BST on Friday morning.

[craigcwwe]

I have just updated the firewall settings to see if that would work but it hasnt

[swirlypop69]

READ the posts, the game isn't released until Friday so you won't be able to install it until then.

[essien_5]

That's what I thought.

If you are using a disc craig, you won't be able to install the game until it is released at 00:00:01 am BST on Friday morning.

IMO that's an absolute disgrace to put such an element of control on when people can play the game. I could understand if it were a game such as Call of Duty or FIFA/PES whereby people getting the game early can effectively get a head start on others they may at some point be in direct competition over, but people who have the opportunity to play FM2012 a day or two earlier than others will have absolutely no impact on somebody elses game who starts playing a day or two later.

I love FM2012 and this isn't going to make or break me buying the game but I have been far from impressed with the impact Steam has had on the game over the last year or two.

Anyway, rant over, can I ask if I have purchased a boxed version, does it allow me to install the game before Friday 00.00 and then I just simply need to activate it thereafter or will it just not let me do anything and I then have to spend a good half hour or so messing around with the installation at midnight?

[swirlypop69]

Yes, how dare SI make it so people can only play the game when it is released!

[craigcwwe]

READ the posts, the game isn't released until Friday so you won't be able to install it until then.

You can install the game before 12.00 Friday, you just cant play it until then.

[milnerpoint]

IMO that's an absolute disgrace to put such an element of control on when people can play the game. I could understand if it were a game such as Call of Duty or FIFA/PES whereby people getting the game early can effectively get a head start on others they may at some point be in direct competition over, but people who have the opportunity to play FM2012 a day or two earlier than others will have absolutely no impact on somebody elses game who starts playing a day or two later.

there is so much wrong with what you have said there.

[Nottingham Forest]

The problem you have is that they've set a release date, if retailers actually want to break that release date, then that's their fault. Steam don't have to budge.

[Matt ex SEGA]

Every year we are let down by a few retailers who sell the game early. This results in pre-launch piracy and frustration for thousands who can't get their game until the release day.

This year, everyone will be getting access to the game at the same time. Not sure it could be much fairer than that.

Cheers

Matt

[craigcwwe]

That is fair enough Matt, i dont have a problem with that, just would like to get steam connected to the Internet so i can install the game

[craigcwwe]

Sorted it, steam was blocked and therefore not connecting to the Internet because my security software had blocked it.

Thanks for the replies guys

Now roll on steam unlocking it so we can play

[essien_5]

there is so much wrong with what you have said there.

I don't think so, it's frustration from how inconsistent in general the videogame market is. I don't see any positives in SI doing this. A large proportion of users will still purchase a boxed version, more then likely through pre order and most will have the game by Thursday. It will p**s off a huge amount of these people who can't get into playing it straight away. A lot of people won't have received their copy of the game yet (me included) but I fully expect a lot of people on these forums tomorrow complaining that they have the game and have to wait to play it.

The only positive from SI's perspective is that it will hopefully help convince more people to just download the game from Steam. I would assume this will mean for them lower production costs and higher profit element per sale on downloads as opposed to boxed versions. The problem with this being, unless Steam match the prices you can pay online, it's still a 'no deal' for me.

[Tyler42]

IMO that's an absolute disgrace to put such an element of control on when people can play the game. I could understand if it were a game such as Call of Duty or FIFA/PES whereby people getting the game early can effectively get a head start on others they may at some point be in direct competition over, but people who have the opportunity to play FM2012 a day or two earlier than others will have absolutely no impact on somebody elses game who starts playing a day or two later.

I love FM2012 and this isn't going to make or break me buying the game but I have been far from impressed with the impact Steam has had on the game over the last year or two.

Anyway, rant over, can I ask if I have purchased a boxed version, does it allow me to install the game before Friday 00.00 and then I just simply need to activate it thereafter or will it just not let me do anything and I then have to spend a good half hour or so messing around with the installation at midnight?

Yeah how pathetic is that, they set the release date to 21st, and you wont be able to play it until the 21st? People have been ripped off and should stop buying FM because they cant play it until it's actually released.

Steam is the most popular program to buy games, the fact that FM ended up on it comes as no surprise. You won't be able to name any popular games, that are not on steam. (With the exception of BF3, they seem to want people to go over to Origin, an EA games based digital distribution program, and THAT is an awful program to keep a hold of games, if your account is inactive for 2 years they can delete it and all the games you had bought on it, and you think Steam is bad?)

It's 2011, get up to date with technology. If you want old school then there's FM08 and below for ya.

Anyway rant about lame ranting over.

[Nottingham Forest]

SI haven't done anything wrong essien. The retailers who've distributed it early have done the wrong thing. Imo people who order online from retailers should get it Friday and not before. Or Thursday at a push. Getting it early is all well and good but when you can't play it, well there's no point getting annoyed with SI/SEGA as it's not their fault.

[craigcwwe]

So i am trying to install the game and it is asking me for a product code, well i have the steam code but cant find the product code..

[Nottingham Forest]

Won't the Steam code be the product code?

[Kriss]

So i am trying to install the game and it is asking me for a product code, well i have the steam code but cant find the product code..

Steam code is the product code.

[craigcwwe]

That is what i though but the steam code is 5 numbers and letters in 3 columns , whereas the product code is asking for 5 numbers and letters in 5 columns..

[craigcwwe]

Sorted it, it was the steam code, a little misleading with the other 2 boxes there though

[swirlypop69]

They'd need the game to pirate it...

[Kriss]

Not a criticism but how do some retailers selling the game a day or two early result in pre release piracy? Surely if it was possible to pirate the game it could be done at any time?

You don't get the complete game on the disc anymore, the vital piece is missing.

[bayern8176]

Not sure if this has been asked already but is steam going to be able to handle so many people at once trying to download all of the info at the same time.
I myself have purchased the game of steam but i would say i would be very annoyed if i had to wait say 12 hours before i could play it as the servers or something went down.

[themadsheep2001]

Not sure if this has been asked already but is steam going to be able to handle so many people at once trying to download all of the info at the same time.
I myself have purchased the game of steam but i would say i would be very annoyed if i had to wait say 12 hours before i could play it as the servers or something went down.

Steam has handled bigger games than FM with ease

[Matt ex SEGA]

Not a criticism but how do some retailers selling the game a day or two early result in pre release piracy? Surely if it was possible to pirate the game it could be done at any time?

You need access to the code to be able to pirate it. It's easier to protect the code this way.

[bayern8176]

Many thanks themadsheep2001 for the quick reply just never bought of steam before so was not sure how it would work.
thanks again

[themadsheep2001]

Many thanks themadsheep2001 for the quick reply just never bought of steam before so was not sure how it would work.
thanks again

No worries. I was the same the first time i used Steam, i'm always slightly sceptical about using something for the first time. Since I was in halls it wasnt a particularly straightforward first usage. But it does its job very well overall. I'm assuming you have pre-loaded already? If not, definitely worth doing so

[KOP_007]

Well I don't know enough about piracy but I'll assume that makes it "unpiratable". Why should that then affect when someone can play their game if thay have been able to buy it one day before someone else? Why couldn't you just register your game whenever you buy it? I know I'm probably showing my ignorance, humour me.

No, it will still be pirated...just like every other game, even those with stricter and more invasive forms of DRM. What SI is trying to prevent is zero day piracy (or indeed piracy before release date) as this 'might' have a significant impact on sales as people will pirate first and then might not purchase. Preventing anyone playing (whether that's right or wrong is another debate) until release day cuts out the people who pirate because it is easier (though obviously piracy will still exist with it being free, and also in protest over using the likes of Steam).

[pigfacemonkeyman]

Steam has handled bigger games than FM with ease

Is FM12 the only game being released on steam on the 21st Oct?

[Eugene Tyson]

The piracy thing has been done to death on here. In true FM spirit:

Aggressively: Show me something else

[Matt ex SEGA]

No, it will still be pirated...just like every other game, even those with stricter and more invasive forms of DRM. What SI is trying to prevent is zero day piracy (or indeed piracy before release date) as this 'might' have a significant impact on sales as people will pirate first and then might not purchase. Preventing anyone playing (whether that's right or wrong is another debate) until release day cuts out the people who pirate because it is easier (though obviously piracy will still exist with it being free, and also in protest over using the likes of Steam).

Good summary.

[Matt ex SEGA]

So can anyone estimate just how much pre-release piracy SI would expect if one or two stockists sold it say one day early? Just seems a bit of an over reaction.

Dependant on quite a few factors such as when it's cracked and whether the cracks circulated are working or faked.

We've seen hundreds of thousands of people playing pre-launch previously if i recall correctly.

[pigfacemonkeyman]

Dependant on quite a few factors such as when it's cracked and whether the cracks circulated are working or faked.

We've seen hundreds of thousands of people playing pre-launch previously if i recall correctly.

Is that for one year or the whole history of the game?

How do you see all these people?

[Kriss]

Is that for one year or the whole history of the game?

How do you see all these people?

One year, and you can gather the figures from the torrent sites very easily.

[essien_5]

I do understand the piracy thing I think it's just plain frustration on my part because:
(a) I'm impatient and when I receive the game I just want to get on and play it!
(b) My online master league game on PES 2012 has effectively been ruined because so many people had the game pre release date causing massive shifts in player prices by the time I had the game, leaving a select few with super teams and the rest picking up scraps.

Anyway, so with the disc version, I can install my game and then just enter the final registration at 00.00 Friday morning correct? With this being the case, can I at least get into the editor and have a look around it (i.e. compile myself a shortlist of high potential youngsters ready to scout for Friday) or is that off limits aswell?

[Kriss]

With this being the case, can I at least get into the editor and have a look around it (i.e. compile myself a shortlist of high potential youngsters ready to scout for Friday) or is that off limits aswell?

Afraid not nothing unlocks until 0001 Friday.

Edit: Now clarified here by Bertie http://community.sigames.com/showthr...FM-2012-Editor

[pigfacemonkeyman]

One year, and you can gather the figures from the torrent sites very easily.

Do torrent sites show the number of people playing the game?

[Tyler42]

Do torrent sites show the number of people playing the game?

The number of downloads = number of players. Kind of explains itself.

[Matt ex SEGA]

Do torrent sites show the number of people playing the game?

No - we've been able to track users playing the game in some of the previous versions.

[pigfacemonkeyman]

The number of downloads = number of players. Kind of explains itself.

Is it possible to fabricate or manipulate this "number of downloads"?

[pigfacemonkeyman]

No - we've been able to track users playing the game in some of the previous versions.

So were you referring to one release when you mentioned 'hundreds of thousands of people playing pre-launch previously' or is that the number seen over several versions of FM?

[Eugene Tyson]

The number of downloads = number of players. Kind of explains itself.

You only see the number of Seeds (people hosting it) and the Leechers (people downloading it) and the Peers (uploading and downloading).

It's certainly not a true reflection of who has up- or downloaded it.



Thing is websites that host torrents are just that, hosts. The torrent can be coming from a number of locations, and hosted on many different sites. You'd have to go each site and get a download stat for each torrent, and figure out if that download available from that site is actually a working one and not a joke one.

If it has a private tracker then it would be easier. But most likely won't.



Remember, pirating is illegal, downloading copyrighted material is illegal if you have not paid for it and accepted the digital eula.


And remember, that Steam is required to authenticate your purchase and is not a malicious program. However, downloading a pirated version may very well include malicious code that can corrupt your system.

Steam is by far the best and safest way to download/authenticate/play FM12.

[pigfacemonkeyman]

You only see the number of Seeds (people hosting it) and the Leechers (people downloading it) and the Peers (uploading and downloading).

It's certainly not a true reflection of who has up- or downloaded it.



Thing is websites that host torrents are just that, hosts. The torrent can be coming from a number of locations, and hosted on many different sites. You'd have to go each site and get a download stat for each torrent, and figure out if that download available from that site is actually a working one and not a joke one.

If it has a private tracker then it would be easier. But most likely won't.



Remember, pirating is illegal, downloading copyrighted material is illegal if you have not paid for it and accepted the digital eula.


And remember, that Steam is required to authenticate your purchase and is not a malicious program. However, downloading a pirated version may very well include malicious code that can corrupt your system.

Steam is by far the best and safest way to download/authenticate/play FM12.

And now, a word from our sponsor.

[Eugene Tyson]

It's true though.

[swirlypop69]

I think Eugene is after a job!

[Eugene Tyson]

Amen to that, however I personally would prefer if users could authenticate through steam whenever they received their copy, with the same level of anti piracy protection, rather than the slightly arbitrary system that we have now. feels a bit like we're all being treated like potential criminals.

It's a new system this year. They may change that next year.

But they have a release date and that's what they stick by. Fact you can buy it early or from a shop early doesn't meant that this is ok.

Where's the fairness in that? Some people will get it earlier than others? Why can't we all get it at the same time?

This is what Steam ensures.

[Eugene Tyson]

I think Eugene is after a job!

If there's one going I want to put in charge of overseeing the UI!!!

[swirlypop69]

Like it did with the demo.....

[Eugene Tyson]

Like it did with the demo.....

As it was a new system in place, and not used by SI before. It was both a demo for us and SI.

Hopefully those issues were ironed out during the farcical demo download where some regions couldn't access the demo for HOURS after it was released.

Shame on them making us wait HOURS for the game to be available across the Steam network where they have servers across 100's of countries and 7 continents.

I for one was able to contact, SI, Steam and Sega and find out how long the delay would be for my region. And I got a satisfactory answer.

Some people think the internet is instantaneous! But it's not. Not even emails are. God forbid that if the game was available on disk and the delivery truck guy for the magazine containing the demo was off sick that day!



All in all - it went well. There were a few complainers for the sake of complaining. And a few that had legitimate complaints.

[captain_video]

Is FM12 the only game being released on steam on the 21st Oct?

No, but nothing else on the scale of FM. Most Steam releases occur on "Steam time", which is at 10 AM US Pacific. FM is a special case. Midnight GMT is 8 PM US Eastern and 5 PM US Pacific, which is peak network traffic time in the US. The things that matter: In your Steam client, make sure your "download region" (a tab within Settings) is set to the right country (don't try to hit a US server if you're in the UK or EU), and do the pre-load step if at all possible.

[anagain]

IMO that's an absolute disgrace to put such an element of control on when people can play the game. I could understand if it were a game such as Call of Duty or FIFA/PES whereby people getting the game early can effectively get a head start on others they may at some point be in direct competition over, but people who have the opportunity to play FM2012 a day or two earlier than others will have absolutely no impact on somebody elses game who starts playing a day or two later.

I love FM2012 and this isn't going to make or break me buying the game but I have been far from impressed with the impact Steam has had on the game over the last year or two.

Anyway, rant over, can I ask if I have purchased a boxed version, does it allow me to install the game before Friday 00.00 and then I just simply need to activate it thereafter or will it just not let me do anything and I then have to spend a good half hour or so messing around with the installation at midnight?

Why?

That's when the game releases, so that's when you can play it. Other merchandise has release dates and times, so why not football manager?

To call it a disgrace that you can't play the game before it's out is verging on stupidity.

As for having to spend half an hour messing about trying to install the game, well the youth of today don't know how good they have it. I remember when you couldn't buy anything for 3 or 4 days over Christmas...or on a Sunday. Ahhh...good days.

[Matt ex SEGA]

So were you referring to one release when you mentioned 'hundreds of thousands of people playing pre-launch previously' or is that the number seen over several versions of FM?

One specific release.

[edwingray]

No, it will still be pirated...just like every other game, even those with stricter and more invasive forms of DRM. What SI is trying to prevent is zero day piracy (or indeed piracy before release date) as this 'might' have a significant impact on sales as people will pirate first and then might not purchase. Preventing anyone playing (whether that's right or wrong is another debate) until release day cuts out the people who pirate because it is easier (though obviously piracy will still exist with it being free, and also in protest over using the likes of Steam).

I don't think that using Steam will cut down on piracy. It just means people will wait a bit longer before they get the game.

[chuk]

I don't actually think most pirates play it for more than a few minutes, a case of 'I wasn't going to buy it anyway but lets take a look'. However I understand some will.

[Kriss]

Way off topic, what has this to do with the OP?