FM 2012 Editor

**Wiitastic** · 19-10-2011 09:33

With the preloading done, do we now have the editor so we can take a look at the database ? or is that something we'll get when Steam is unlocked on Friday ?

Can not find it yet

**K-oTiC** · 19-10-2011 12:20

No there is no editor, unfortunately.

Pretty stupid decision IMO. I'm going to spend a bit of time in the editor before I play it anyway, which I was hoping to do between now and Friday, but alas no ****ing editor.

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 12:23

Any official reason as to why there is no editor in the preload?

is this another act to cut piracy at the cost of the hardcore faithfull? please SI, your slowly turning into EA/Activison

**swirlypop69** · 19-10-2011 12:27

How would not including the editor in the preload cut piracy?

**milnerpoint** · 19-10-2011 12:32

The editor will be downloaded just not unlocked for use, it would be pretty silly to have the game files locked, buy accessible through the editor.

**swirlypop69** · 19-10-2011 12:33

Why would it matter? You still couldn't play the game until it was unlocked.

**milnerpoint** · 19-10-2011 12:34

You would have access to all the game data, something you should not have until the game is released.

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 12:37

Originally Posted by swirlypop69

How would not including the editor in the preload cut piracy?

Gives you access to the Database so all you need is a cracked exe and dll files.

Originally Posted by swirlypop69

Why would it matter? You still couldn't play the game until it was unlocked.

People like to edit the DB before they start, doing this now would free up more time to play on release day

**x42bn6** · 19-10-2011 12:39

The editor is separate from the database, no? You already have "access" to the database if you have the database.

**legend_killer82** · 19-10-2011 12:40

what a reason, as always fan boys can't admit anything...u buy a game to play it or to check data? no sense in making it impossible to use data editor

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 12:42

Originally Posted by x42bn6

The editor is separate from the database, no? You already have "access" to the database if you have the database.

Quite possibly, in which case i dont see SI's logic in not allowing acess to the DB.

oh well they are the experts not me!

**swirlypop69** · 19-10-2011 12:45

Exactly, everyone who has preloaded or already has the disc has access to it already, if they can crack the encryption

**x42bn6** · 19-10-2011 12:46

Originally Posted by Rub Rub

Quite possibly, in which case i dont see SI's logic in not allowing acess to the DB.

oh well they are the experts not me!

It would probably confuse users (why is X available but not Y?).

**milnerpoint** · 19-10-2011 12:49

Its most likey that the database is also locked, so really having the editor without the database would be pointless, they are not going to unlock any part of this game before it is released, nothing to do with defending SI or being a fanboy, it just makes sense. They do not schedule their release dates around you lot having free time to update the database before you play the game, we all get the full thing at the same time on the same day.

**Tyler42** · 19-10-2011 13:32

You guys are just a handful. The release date is 21st, the data is locked until the 21st. For those who still are ..... enough to ask "why? I want to have full access to the game files through the Editor" Number one, just because you can preload the game doesnt mean you should be able to do "insert one of the so many requests that people have" while the game is locked on steam.
Number two: The game would be on torrent sites and cracked before the actual release date, and SI doesn't want that. And if you dont understand that then too bad. It's just how things work in the gaming industry.

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 13:33

Originally Posted by milnerpoint

Its most likey that the database is also locked, so really having the editor without the database would be pointless, they are not going to unlock any part of this game before it is released, nothing to do with defending SI or being a fanboy, it just makes sense. They do not schedule their release dates around you lot having free time to update the database before you play the game, we all get the full thing at the same time on the same day.

All well and good, but the managed to allow use of the editor the last two releases

**Bertie BG** · 19-10-2011 14:12

The reason you can't see the editor yet is that this year it's being released as a separate "app" through Steam, which can be downloaded, of course, for free any time after release.

The reason we've done this is, by keeping it as a separate installation, it allows us to roll out updates to the editor much easier, as and when needed, without affecting the main branch of the game.

**stevie_G_32201** · 19-10-2011 14:19

Technically you shouldn't have it until release anyway, you should be considering yourself lucky you can pre-download the game ahead of time.

**webbm1** · 19-10-2011 14:22

Seems like a good reason, tbf. I know everyone is really inpatient to play like myself but we'll all have a year to play it.

**essien_5** · 19-10-2011 14:40

Originally Posted by Bertie BG

The reason you can't see the editor yet is that this year it's being released as a separate "app" through Steam, which can be downloaded, of course, for free any time after release.

The reason we've done this is, by keeping it as a separate installation, it allows us to roll out updates to the editor much easier, as and when needed, without affecting the main branch of the game.

Will this 'app' then be available to download at 00.00.01 Friday morning, same time as the game and does anybody know how big the file will be and how long it will take?

Also I'll have no problems downloading it at the same time just because I have the disc version instead will I?

**Goose54** · 19-10-2011 14:46

is co-ownership hard coded like previus versions and the same with number of non eu tranfers per year? (italy)
or is that something we can edit this year?

**Kriss** · 19-10-2011 14:53

Originally Posted by essien_5

Will this 'app' then be available to download at 00.00.01 Friday morning, same time as the game and does anybody know how big the file will be and how long it will take?

Also I'll have no problems downloading it at the same time just because I have the disc version instead will I?

The editor itself is only about 9 Mb, the data is already there.

**Bertie BG** · 19-10-2011 15:11

Originally Posted by essien_5

Will this 'app' then be available to download at 00.00.01 Friday morning, same time as the game and does anybody know how big the file will be and how long it will take?

Also I'll have no problems downloading it at the same time just because I have the disc version instead will I?

Yes it should be available at the same time. It shouldn't take long to download, it's not that big as Kriss says

**phnompenhandy** · 19-10-2011 15:38

So does that mean the editor won't be on the disc?

**Kriss** · 19-10-2011 16:15

Originally Posted by phnompenhandy

So does that mean the editor won't be on the disc?

The data will be, the application won't.

**milnerpoint** · 19-10-2011 16:17

So does this mean the editor will run through steam?.....

**Bertie BG** · 19-10-2011 16:31

It will be downloadable through Steam but there won't be any DRM on it, so in theory Steam wouldn't be "required".

**Kriss** · 19-10-2011 17:06

Just to make that clear, once you've got it, it runs as a stand alone application, so in practise Steam isn't required.

**Mr5Nascar** · 19-10-2011 19:28

Would steam automatically download it when you finish the download of FM 12 ( not including preload ). or do you have to find it on the Steam store (if this, when would it be visible on the store)?

**Kriss** · 19-10-2011 19:39

Originally Posted by Mr5Nascar

Would steam automatically download it when you finish the download of FM 12 ( not including preload ). or do you have to find it on the Steam store (if this, when would it be visible on the store)?

Pretty sure it will show as an option on the FM12 page once the game has finished downloading, I don't think you'll need to go looking for it.

**magicmastermind124** · 19-10-2011 19:39

Originally Posted by Bertie BG

The reason you can't see the editor yet is that this year it's being released as a separate "app" through Steam, which can be downloaded, of course, for free any time after release.

The reason we've done this is, by keeping it as a separate installation, it allows us to roll out updates to the editor much easier, as and when needed, without affecting the main branch of the game.

Sounds like a strange reason to me. You should have been able to release updates for it anyway, included with FM as it was last year.

Is SI really planning on updating the editor separately from the game? If so, could I ask that you guys finish the Advanced Rules and include it without the need to activate it?

**Scab** · 19-10-2011 19:49

Originally Posted by Mr5Nascar

Would steam automatically download it when you finish the download of FM 12 ( not including preload ). or do you have to find it on the Steam store (if this, when would it be visible on the store)?

If it's like most other tools like this on Steam it'll be under Library. Change filtering from "All Games" to "Tools". If anywhere else I'm sure it'll be advertised.

**Chappie.dm** · 19-10-2011 19:54

Ok - so I buy the boxed version on Friday and activate it through Steam. Do I then have to download the editor application before I can use the editor?

**stevie_G_32201** · 19-10-2011 19:55

Originally Posted by Chappie.dm

Ok - so I buy the boxed version on Friday and activate it through Steam. Do I then have to download the editor application before I can use the editor?

Yes, i would assume so.

**Church CM** · 19-10-2011 20:22

Thataboy SI ... someone had their thinking cap on nice and snug.

**Bertie BG** · 19-10-2011 21:42

Originally Posted by magicmastermind124

Sounds like a strange reason to me. You should have been able to release updates for it anyway, included with FM as it was last year.

Is SI really planning on updating the editor separately from the game? If so, could I ask that you guys finish the Advanced Rules and include it without the need to activate it?

I don't think it's strange. Before if we wanted to make a change to the editor we'd have to push out an update to every single person who's playing FM in order to get it out there. This way we can only push out that update to those who are using the editor.

It essentially gives us the flexibility to roll out updates to the editor without having to wait for patch day for the main game.

That's not to say we'll have to, but it makes life a hell of a lot easier if we need to.

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 21:46

Originally Posted by Bertie BG

The reason you can't see the editor yet is that this year it's being released as a separate "app" through Steam, which can be downloaded, of course, for free any time after release.

The reason we've done this is, by keeping it as a separate installation, it allows us to roll out updates to the editor much easier, as and when needed, without affecting the main branch of the game.

That doesnt explain why its not being made available and why we cant use it now though? If anything its easier and safer to relaese the editor before the game if its a seperate app?

**Kriss** · 19-10-2011 21:52

Originally Posted by Rub Rub

That doesnt explain why its not being made available and why we cant use it now though? If anything its easier and safer to relaese the editor before the game if its a seperate app?

Because it's a tool associated with FM12 and the way Steam works is to make tools available after the main app is released.

**Rub Rub** · 19-10-2011 21:57

Originally Posted by Kriss

Because it's a tool associated with FM12 and the way Steam works is to make tools available after the main app is released.

ok fair enougth

**Gusano** · 20-10-2011 00:20

so can we finally edit international competitions and league specific rules?

**Golaxi** · 20-10-2011 02:40

when will the editor auto calculate the attributes you edit into the equivalent CA? Its basic but for the user is impossible to easily fine tune without

**naxself** · 20-10-2011 03:27

Originally Posted by Bertie BG

The reason you can't see the editor yet is that this year it's being released as a separate "app" through Steam, which can be downloaded, of course, for free any time after release.

The reason we've done this is, by keeping it as a separate installation, it allows us to roll out updates to the editor much easier, as and when needed, without affecting the main branch of the game.

Brilliant idea.

Is a list of new editor features available anywhere?

**K-oTiC** · 20-10-2011 03:48

Originally Posted by Golaxi

when will the editor auto calculate the attributes you edit into the equivalent CA? Its basic but for the user is impossible to easily fine tune without

This would be a great feature.

**afterware** · 20-10-2011 09:25

Do I need to download the whole game to have only the Editor on a PC? I usually use a desktop for editing db, while I play on a laptop.

**captain_video** · 20-10-2011 09:32

Originally Posted by afterware

Do I need to download the whole game to have only the Editor on a PC? I usually use a desktop for editing db, while I play on a laptop.

In 10chars, no.

**seagull84** · 20-10-2011 10:33

I'm a bit worried about this and would appreciate a response.

As someone who is in South Korea, where the game is region locked on STEAM and therefore there is no "Football Manager STEAM page" available. I am doubting the possibility of accessing this "app".

I had to gift myself the game through STEAM by setting up a new account and having my dad buy it for me (which is no mean feat considering how computer illiterate he is) - i've pre-loaded the game no problem, but still can't access any "page" regarding football manager and whenever i search for FM it just comes up with a "not available in your region" message.

How will people like me get the editor - if we have to access it manually? Will you please consider releasing a direct download link?

Many thanks in advance...

**DietSpam** · 20-10-2011 10:42

Originally Posted by seagull84

I'm a bit worried about this and would appreciate a response.

As someone who is in South Korea, where the game is region locked on STEAM and therefore there is no "Football Manager STEAM page" available. I am doubting the possibility of accessing this "app".

I had to gift myself the game through STEAM by setting up a new account and having my dad buy it for me (which is no mean feat considering how computer illiterate he is) - i've pre-loaded the game no problem, but still can't access any "page" regarding football manager and whenever i search for FM it just comes up with a "not available in your region" message.

How will people like me get the editor - if we have to access it manually? Will you please consider releasing a direct download link?

Many thanks in advance...

Get your dad to download it and send it to you? It's a stand alone application, so should be ok.

**Kriss** · 20-10-2011 10:48

Originally Posted by DietSpam

Get your dad to download it and send it to you? It's a stand alone application, so should be ok.

It's just over 9Mb in size too, so not huge even for an email attachment.

**Kriss** · 20-10-2011 10:49

Originally Posted by seagull84

I'm a bit worried about this and would appreciate a response.

As someone who is in South Korea, where the game is region locked on STEAM and therefore there is no "Football Manager STEAM page" available. I am doubting the possibility of accessing this "app".

I had to gift myself the game through STEAM by setting up a new account and having my dad buy it for me (which is no mean feat considering how computer illiterate he is) - i've pre-loaded the game no problem, but still can't access any "page" regarding football manager and whenever i search for FM it just comes up with a "not available in your region" message.

How will people like me get the editor - if we have to access it manually? Will you please consider releasing a direct download link?

Many thanks in advance...

I have asked for clarification on this, so hang on a bit

**seagull84** · 20-10-2011 10:50

surely a direct download from SI - would be easier than all of us expats pestering our poor old dads to try and do something that is completely alien to them!

or at least those of us expats in region locked areas.

Unless one of you guys fancy sending it to me once it's done - would be a hell of a lot easier!

**Kriss** · 20-10-2011 11:55

Originally Posted by seagull84

surely a direct download from SI - would be easier than all of us expats pestering our poor old dads to try and do something that is completely alien to them!

or at least those of us expats in region locked areas.

Unless one of you guys fancy sending it to me once it's done - would be a hell of a lot easier!

It should be available even in a region locked area once you've activated, but I'm getting confirmation on that, so don't go pestering Dad yet

**Saul_Weinstein** · 20-10-2011 17:19

So the Editor for Mac will be available for download at midnight tonight off Steam?

**Bertie BG** · 20-10-2011 17:40

Originally Posted by Saul_Weinstein

So the Editor for Mac will be available for download at midnight tonight off Steam?

Yes

(10chars)

**Saul_Weinstein** · 20-10-2011 17:43

Originally Posted by Bertie BG

Yes

(10chars)

Fantastic, thank you Sir!

**RobjpLFC** · 20-10-2011 21:23

Any chance of a direct link, cant find it in steam store or will it just appear?

**Bertie BG** · 20-10-2011 21:29

Originally Posted by RobjpLFC

Any chance of a direct link, cant find it in steam store or will it just appear?

It won't appear until after it's been released

**Vazza** · 21-10-2011 00:07

I know officially it's only been 6 minutes but where is the editor?

**Integrity** · 21-10-2011 00:11

yeah... where is it?

I always buy the DVD, but this year went steam... where it at yo!

**Mintah** · 21-10-2011 00:13

Originally Posted by Vazza

I know officially it's only been 6 minutes but where is the editor?

If you are on a Mac, click view, then tools. You will see a long alphabetical list. Right click on Football Manager 2012editor, and click install.

**Michael Burling** · 21-10-2011 00:14

The editor is a seperate download this year, info on how to download it can be found here http://community.sigames.com/showthr...=1#post7184723

**Petros7** · 21-10-2011 00:15

On Steam Library, change the list from All Games to Tools and you'll find it there.

**DoYouKnowBobDole** · 21-10-2011 00:16

The editor keeps on crashing on opening on my macbook! Can't open the editor.

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