This is outrageous. Don't do it.
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I Hate It
I Don't Care
I like it
This is outrageous. Don't do it.
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Can I say "yes"? I'm fine with Steam.
If I have to install Steam to play FM12 then I won't be buying it, no matter how immense it looks!
I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?
Definitely the worst decision SI/Sega have ever made...
Steam = No thanks
Whoa.... already a poll post?
Steam uses up less memory than firefox or IE. It is ridiculous some of the myths on the internet about steam.I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?
I've been using Steam since 2004 and have 258 games on it. I'm sorry, I'll be saying yes .
Last edited by Dune297; 16-09-2011 at 14:56.
sorry i wont be buying fm again, i won't be forced to install third party software on my pc regardless if its harmless or not just to play fm
This isn't a myth, my opinion is from BITTER experience... It's like Microsoft forcing everybody to have IE installed on their machine, it's wrong, it's illegal and it's immoral!
No, no, and THRICE NO!
Last year FM11 was available with pre-loading which meant that as soon as the game came out, it was activated and ready to play.
Steam is also great for automatic patching and it's very easy to take screenshots, upload them to the Steam Cloud and then post them online - quicker than finding them and uploading to photobucket or elsewhere.
If there's one thing I don't like about it, it's not having the game case. But that's me being really picky.
My take on it is they have to do something, nothing else they have tried so far has really worked, they all had issues, steam is simple and easy to use and you can turn it offline if your bothered about your it being invasive, after you install the game it never has to be online again until they release a patch.
I think SI or Sega need to post a blog about Steam and what it does, resources and to quash the misinformation people have.
Perhaps dedicate a day to answering questions on it or something?
People just don't seem to have a clue?
Steam is not a resource hog at all.
Why are people so against this? It won't make a difference to your user experience with the game at all.
Ive been using steam for a few years now but that doesnt change my mind. I think its a bad idea to force the use of it irrelevant of system resources nor anti piracy.
Why not though? What have you got against it? It's it just stubbornness?
It's a very small application program. They are trying to prevent piracy - which is farcical in itself, but they're trying.
Steam is free, it's lightweight, and it helps them prevent piracy (they hope).
Steam isn't invasive at all. It's less invasive than the volume meter on your taskbar.
You can install FM on it, create a desktop shortcut, set Steam to offline mode once installed and close the window. You'll hardly notice that it's there.
people are idiots though in general
i bet the same lot here saying no to steam as it's intrusive, download updates for firefox or IE weekly and have no idea if they are intrusive or not - but hey if porns available why the hell not!
I already have steam but would be very pissed off at being forced to install their software if I didn’t want it.
A moronic decision to shaft genuine customers.
Steam is fine, if people don't really want to buy the game because of it, so be it, sad, but it will be there loss. I also think it does cut down on piracy.
I remember people saying they would never play the game if it went 3D.
There is an urban myth surrounding Steam that actually had me believing it was an all invasive program and that it would do this, do that, impact on my privacy and so on. Then I installed it and never looked back.
It seems that PC games will all become a digital download in a few years, from what I read so there will not be the choice!
i've been using it 3 years, used all my credit cards, typed in my address in numerous locations, emails, personal details
yet i've never lost any money, recieved any emails from steam, got any letters from steam?
weird how some people get paranoid, get used to it mate its the new future for us, everytime you walk a public street you are being watched by cctv!
ive been using steam for a while now, its EASY to use, UNINTRUSIVE and makes my life easier (no more discs to lose/break) all these people that are moaning, can i ask, why are you moaning? its quite simple, Sega/SI have chosen to do this as they think its good business, moaning about this decision isnt going to change it, one or two people saying "im never buying FM again" isnt going to stop them from doing it, the only thing that will stop them doing it is if EVERYONE chooses not to buy FM12, which just isnt going to happen as there are MANY people who are happy with steam
(off topic i know but i have to wonder what free games steam are going to offer with FM12, the last two years have been pretty cool imho)
The main problem is we have to intsall Steam to play the CD game. Why could SI or SEGA put a section on the SI website where you goto register your game no need for downloads and has for patches they are availabe to download from here when they come out anyway. Or are they planning on stopping doing that and you will only be able to get them through Steam aswell.
Will Steam stop piracy? Obviously not, it's like saying implementing the death penalty will discourage people from committing murder, it'll still happen. If people are smart enough, they'll still break the law and pirate games like FM.
But what's so wrong about installing Steam on your system? It's not spyware. It won't even be noticeable when you play. For those anti-Steam people, stop being stubborn.
Welcome to the 21st Century lads. Some of your favourite PC games might be on Steam too in the future. Digital download games is gaining its place in the PC game market and although physical copies are still going to be available, but don't be surprised if more companies use these methods for 'anti-piracy' measures. F12011 is using GFWL.
So what are you gonna do if more of the games you play have something similar to this, stop gaming?
If you want proof for a pos invasive software, look no further than EA's Origin.
People moaning about Steam 'prices' need to remember the game can still be purchased in shops for whatever retail price they charge, it's just you have to activate the game through Steam.
Option number 1 for me. Simply because I like to have a freedom of choice and this decision is just limiting it and I don't lke it at all.
If you do activate through Steam does that allow automatic updating or is that only if you buy through Steam?
its never as simple as it sounds, I tried to install through steam on my kids laptop so when I went away I wouldnt have to take the disc and risk losing it, tried to play it offiline and I couldnt, and yes I ticked the little box to play ooffline through steam
I said last year that we'd eventually be forced to use steam and I've been proven right just didnt think it would happen this soon!
Now I know the argument of steam doesnt take up any memory and it doesnt slow down your computer etc etc, but I dont see why we should have to install a 3rd party software just so we can play a game, and as I've said I found the offline not to work properly, Idont want steam poping up everytime I want to go on the game
and as for people downloading the game illegally I think this system will only increase it, I myself wouldnt ever do that as I have all the previous game in cases and I like how I can look back at them all and also the excitement of going to a shop and buying the game (sad I know) but others wont want the hassel of steam and will look to get the game elsewhere and wheres theres a will theres a way!!!
Bad move SI/sega
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I only play FM, I don't want to play any other game, I don't care about any other game, I just want to play FM12 but I don't want Steam. To do 1, I need 2, therefore I won't be doing 1, it's really quite simple. I pay for a hard-copy of the game, I should be allowed to do whatever I choose with that game including choosing whether or not to install a piece of software that I won't use for anything else, ever again!
Some things about Steam, that should be kept in reasonable discussion.
Steam is not a resource hog. Not for any computer that has more than 512Mb of Ram and a processor that is newer than a Pentium 3.
Offline mode is flaky at best (when it decides not to work, you can't play if you're away from internet connections.)
It does nothing against piracy. Deus Ex was cracked and available on line the same day as it was available on Steam.
It is a cloud based service. Ergo, it requires a login email and password. There are obvious security implications with this.
Steam customer support has no phone number, a one size fits all approach to problems, and a very slow rate of responding to tickets.
Making a user install third party software to run something that they've paid for is poor form, at best.
Steam makes updating games easier.
Adding steam into the mix adds an entire plethora of potential technical issues to running the game.
Steam collects and analyses user data, particularly type of games, hardware, and software installed.
Steam bombards you with pop up adverts when the client is opened, particularly when there is a sale.
Steam doesn't work for everybody.
I voted that "I hate it" which is a bit strong, but I'd certainly prefer that SEGA & SI be honest rather than hiding behind the piracy excuse, and users just should not be forced to install third party software for something that they have purchased.
Don't like it at all.
I really looked forward seeing all the changes in FM12 but I might stick to FM11 now
I'm going to have to think long and hard about this. I did by GTA San Andreas for the PC to find out what it was like from the PS2. I didn't like the fact then I had to intsall all their parafanalia before I could play the game. Lets just say the game is now gathering dust on my shelf.
Whilst obviously people can get access to an internet connection via intenet cafes, libraries because some places don't allow to download onto their systems, if you don't know what to do then its going to be a frustrating time and if something does go wrong with steam, you wont be able to play the game.
Sorry, I'm just trying to find some rationale to your fear of Steam that doesn't invole some form of phobia...
You guys are overreacting to Steam.
Steam is a marvelous product.
I don't need to go into any further detail.. I've used Steam to play FM once before, and I didn't like the experience... I won't be doing it again *shrugs*
I wont install either steam or itunes, even for free giveaways so if this is the only way to activate it then its not worth buying.
i find it amazing, quick updates, very fast downloads (the fastest i've found online), low resources and pre-orders that let you pre-install and have your game ready for 12.01am on release day whilst others are running to tesco's and joining queues
that's my opinion, i don't answer for everyone else though like you do wakers
I like Steam.
However I wouldn't install iTunes if I hadn't already done so years ago - the changes in their EULA are horrible now. I've not updated iTunes in over a year because of it.
But Steam is a small application that allows you to play FM. It costs nothing, it's non-intrusive.
How about you try it for a week and if you don't like it you can uninstall it? If you have any questions on how to use it, or to uninstall it just ask.
Steam is brilliant until you have a problem with it, in which case it quickly becomes less and less brilliant. If you were to take an overall look at the way Steam works, it really isn't the God send that a lot people make it out to be. Like everything, it has good things, it has brilliant things, but it also has very poor components which balance out.
EAs origin is even worse, that scans your computer and reports back to them and you cant opt out of it.
I didnt install it when they were giving away Portal for free so Im not going to have it for FM.
Same goes for starforce, the worst system ever that even damages hardware, trackmania was free and came with that and I wouldnt touch that.
Last edited by philly_flyer10; 16-09-2011 at 16:12.
That's very strange attitude to have. It seems like you're paranoid about it.
Fact is, you install steam. You install the game. Register the game through steam. Unplug your internet. Leave steam running in the background and FM will play just fine.
Close steam and FM won't run. But if you're already running steam you can shut down Steam or go to Offline mode and continue playing the game.
No reporting is done by Steam. You've got a touch of Paranoia.
Did you know that everytime you go to a new web page it can be recorded by the previous website you were on? Say if you were to go from here to BBC to Sky news, this very website would be able to track to you 3 or 4 websites after you've left here. And you can't turn that off either. That's exactly how adverts are targeted to your internet browser. Based on your frequency to visit certain sites. Visit BBC sport regularly and your google ads will feature sport related topics.
This is the digital age. Nothing you do online, even right now as you read or type a reply here, is not recorded and transmitted somewhere. There's little robots scouring code and taking your information and reporting back to databases to feed you adverts related to what you are looking at on the internet.
Only ever purchase on Steam if you understand that you are not buying a product.
You are paying them for the privilege of playing their game, this privilege is not guaranteed and can be withdrawn at any time without good reason.
If you have a problem you are likely to be ignored or treated like scum.
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Also, if you buy a game on Steam - you don't own the game. You are given temporary access to the game as long as Steam deem fit. Meaning (and obviously, they don't do this all the time, but they have the power to) they can stop you from playing any game that you have in your games library.
I never said steam scans and reports back, I just said EA is even worse. i disagree with a company having the power to stop you playing your whole catalogue of games.
My browser is safe using ghostery and webpolicy which blocks all requests to other sites, no reporting to 3rd parties and no ads at all.
I havent seen an ad in years.
This site uses/reports to:
Also, even if they could stop you, they would only stop that one game, steam can and does stop you from playing your whole collection, often hundreds or even thousands of pounds and you have no comeback.
I dont see why anyone would give a company that power and for you to lose all your purchase rights.
SI or SEGA could deem you violation of the EULA and terminate your license if they wanted to or it was fit.
Any issues with Steam discontinuing your license should be brought up with steam.
If you do buy online make sure you save all the emails regarding receipts, also the statement from the bank with regards to the cash transfer to Steam.
If you have documentation to backup that you bought it, Steam should reinstate your software.
Although a lot of people seem to be thinking you have to BUY through Steam. You don't, you can buy it in the shop. You just have to ACTIVATE through Steam.
Once activated, whether bought online or in-store, you can launch FM and quit Steam and it will play fine.
If you want to relaunch FM - then start up Steam - launch FM - quit steam.
It's not rocket surgery, it's brain science.
I was going to buy in on steam anyway...
These "I hate steam" threads pop up each year from people who clearly don't use steam for anything else so its a little hassle and they have no idea how to use it, its a system that has been working perfectly fine for several years now.
Hmm, such a shame that I won't get to play the full game as I refuse to have third party software forced upon me. I don't use steam and don't plan to anytime soon. Thankfully I have a good fm11 save.
Blocking cookies doesn't stop that.
Also, I just tested something that you stated about having steam open and playing a game. I just launched Civ V, closed steam - it warned me that CIV V would close too if I quit Steam. So you can't do that.
As a paying customer i reserve the right to decide myself what goes onto my pc/mac and quite frankly whether steam is great or crap totally disinterests me. I do not like being dictated to especially when i am parting with my hard earned cash and as such this will be the first in the fm series that i have not bought. Sad day for consumer choice but i will most definitely not be purchasing fm12.
Steam is a US company that you have zero rights with, they can and do wrongly ban accounts with no comeback, the often wont even tell you why your account was banned.
You will get banned if you are hacked and you will lose every game you have. People have also been wrongly banned with a faulty cheat check.
I personally prefer my ads to be targeted as then they might be relevant to me and not just completely irrelevant things I'm not interested in but that's irrelevant to this conversation. Each to their own though
I don't intend to waste all the care I take in protecting myself by installing a piece of software I don't need or want just to be able to play a game. I value my privacy too much
This is a good idea to stop illegal copies of the game.
I seriously don't know why people are moaning about this, all you have to do is activate the game on steam, once its activated you can play the game with the disc without using steam iirc. Also you can disable steam from starting up when your PC loads, so it wont slow down the start up process.
Don't suppose you use mobile internet, wifi, mobile phone, or send emails then?
I approve. SEGA and SI have a right to ensure their product is protected. Steam activation is a technique that they believe is effective and needed for combating piracy, and it's their responsibility to make that judgement, not ours. As a paying customer I respect the fact that they have a right to make these decisions.
And the reality is that in 2011, if you don't have an internet connection, you're probably Amish, you have the misfortune to be a subsistence farmer in a developing country, or you're in the more troubled parts of the third world.
Regarding Steam, I'd add that it's a very standard form of copy protection that is becoming increasingly more common throughout the industry. The whinging about it, for whatever motive, really is getting old. Just face facts, the times when you'd download all your games from a BBS, install the hack, and play away, are gone - the industry's matured, the protection technology's gotten better, and that's led to far lower rates of piracy across the industry, more investment in development, and hence better games and more bang for the back for the genuine customers. Even if we're fickle and don't always acknowledge it.
Last edited by hugo_rune; 16-09-2011 at 16:43.
It's true, however unlike facebook the scripts dont report your browsing habits as liberally. Google for example uses them to put ads you're more likely to look at(whether that is a good or a bad thing, it's up to you). As for STEAM, i've never actually seen a valid reason as to why people dont want to use it. You could always start it up in offline mode if you value your privacy that much(oh and it does no data tracking whatsoever on top of that, the only thing it asks you is to complete a survey which you can opt out of easily).
You need to bring that up with Steam. Email first. Then email again if no reply. If not then find a contact number for support in your country.
There's also pen and paper, envelopes and stamps from the local post office.
(sorry that sounded a bit smart arsed, but I'm serious)