@Scab- I take it there's no law etc that can prevent this from happening?
@Scab- I take it there's no law etc that can prevent this from happening?
No clue to be honest. I wouldn't think intentional blocking of specific commercial services would fly. Though it may just be a network issue that BT will (eventually) resolve once they're informed and have had it investigated.
yeah i dont think BT would legally be allowed to block Steam, there would be no good reason for it really, its not a bandwidth hog or anything, i would imagine its an issue with the BT network in your area, i'm on normal BT where i am and im having no issues with steam or the website.
i do seem to get the luck eh!!
The problem is you can't access www.steampowered.com, nor can you access the Store/Community from the Steam client itself.
Anything word from pops? I am not in the UK, so it might be a global problem and might not really have anything to do with BT. Maybe Steam is just updating...?My old mans a BT tech, he could maybe offer some help if i can point him in the right direction to the problem.
Ive asked him about the issue and emailed him the link so knows what im going on about, i doubt he is going to offer any quick solutions if its an issue with the BT network but im hoping at the least he can tell me they are aware of it or that it is something he has been working on, ill get back to you guys when i hear from him.
I still plan to buy FM12 (this is not a walk-away post) but I think Steam activation is getting proven every day to be less and less a reliable vehicle for accessing the game.
Still, as a ruse for prevent the bored and stupid from constantly asking for the demo release date this pantomime is beyond compare. Well done SI!
I think people should calm down, it's not as if this whole mess is due to being unreliable- and I am not just flinging this out, I got it straight from the horse's mouth. Due to this whole piracy issue and the whole SI/SEGA/Steam/Internet reality we can all endure being part of the 'big blame game'. God, I hate those pirates...
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Of course Steam is a very reliable client, otherwise SI/SEGA would never choose them.
Millions of people use Steam, and perhaps under 0.01% has/had problems with it. The thing is, from those 0.01%.... almoust 100% will post in a forum saying bad thing about steam.
It's because of this, that steam is having a bit of a bad reputation between FM fans. Because, a minor percentage of them had problems with steam, and talk about it in this forum. But a big percentage of FM fans that use steam, didn't start a thread talking about steam, and how good it is.
Result: people who never used steam, and comes to this forum... what do they see? bad threads about steam.
Friday - cant log in old Steam account (due to software update apparantly)
Friday- create new account (worked eventually, had problems though due to software upgrade....)
Saturday - Steam Screenshot Manager starts intruding into the log off process
Sunday & Monday so far - no problems but havent used Steam since Sat
Within that same period others have experienced other problems accessing Steam which are well documented in previous posts.
I have no doubt that these posts only happen when the extraordinary occurs (eg log on problems, or indeed many years use use with no issues - not many services can actually boast that),and that Steam users with no access issues are un likely to search out this thread to state that all is fine so it is impossible to guage any stats on reliability or not of Steam, but the issues discused (Sotware upgrades, ISP interference & "Terrorist" attacks on servers do happen and it is the chance of those which bothers me - a chance percentage I cannot begin to calculate.
I suspect in ten years there will only be DRM of this type, it will be unproblematic and no one will have any issues with it (pirates aside!) BUT the experiences of the last 4 days suggest right now that reliability is a long way from being assured.
Despite being offline, I can't play Portal due 'the game not being available'. It's installed on my computer ffs
Aha, it's finally back. Or at least, was for a second And it's now working again
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Phone BT and tell them to fix it or you'll cancel your account.
Have someone in the background say "I found Sky Broadband phone number" really loudly.
Why have you got Peerblock?
Was this then anything to do with SI, Sega, or Steam?
Had it for ages, and it does it's job as a Firewall. It was something to do with Steam, because their new 'update' busted the offline mode, and then BT have seriously cocked up too.
Yeh seems to be an amalgamation of issues. Let's just say, if you didn't have to use Steam for Fm12 people wouldn't have these issues.
That's not to say they wouldn't have other issues though.
Steam as a piracy delay, will probably help. But I wonder how many configurations out there will block steam?
Well FM12 isn't even out yet. And people with BT were able to get on before. So I imagine that will be sorted out - it's still about another month till FM12 - so if it's not sorted by then I'd consider changing broadband provider.
As FM12 hasn't been released yet, I'm not sure it's fair to say it's being cocked up?
Using Steam for FM12 seems like a relatively easy process.
Eh..don't run peerblock while trying to run an application by Steam.
The people who update the lists for peerblock (which are downloaded once a day) are those that use it for downloading torrents. As such, they will look to block applications like Steam from interacting with your computer.
Yes, FM12 is not out yet - but if it were it would have been rendered unplayable for at least part of the last weekend. So what then, the Steam issue is "OK" bacause it will be sorted by 21st oct - not good enough for me, not good enoough for Loversleaper, Metal_guitarist & others. Now some say off line mode on other games is suspect!, being able to go "offline" and not worry about Steams relative incompetance or indeed my ISP's whims and fancies was my only reassurance until I read about that new issue. I just wish those that have no problems would stop pretendeing there are no problems and start demanding re-assurances on behalf of those that do have problems. All I want to hear is Steam saying that the software issues are all resolved and that it was all part of getting everything set to prevent future issues, and for ISP's to state that they will no longer jeopardise Consumer access to Steam and for SI to state that they are happy that the poblems of the last few days are fully resolved and that they have every faith there will be so such issues and no issues of any sort regarding activation on 21st oct. I have heard no such reassurance and expect none for the foreseable future. Someone has dropped a ricket here.
There can never be any guarantees. People will have issues. Regardless of using Steam or not.
Before Steam - there are support threads on these forums. 1885 threads (not posts a lot more of those) for PC Support. 8 threads for Mac Support.
What are you going to do?
You've been told that you'll need Steam and an Internet connection. There's plenty of time to sort out issues, with internet providers, Steam login issues, resolving offline mode issues and the other issues you may be having.
That's just the way I see it. Again, sorry you're having such difficulties. I just think you have the time to sort them out and then you'll be able to enjoy FM12.
Out of curiosity I checked and Steam had 25,000,000 subscribers in 2009 when somebody said FM was a small fish I had no idea how big the pond was, we really are just a fleabite lol.
Actually as the official line to circum navigate the software bug seems to be "open another account" I wonder what Steam think of this?, its hardly ideal getting flooded with duplicate accounts. I hope and pray their solution to that is not to release another software upgrade! LOL
So far, I think that Steam has some issues in certain countries and wi-fi systems, therefore it has caused some people problems. You need a better connection for it to work optimally, that is what I have gathered so far. Steam did have to update and I think it took time to for them to reach out to all corners of the planet. I still think that the reality around Steam is going to cause a lot of problems as many people don't know the technical side of how the whole thing works. It's a lot easier for poeple who understand what caches are and what not, but we have to remember that FM gamers are not your typical gamer - most of them are football fans, not computer geeks...
Never really looked around steam properly apart from buying FM11 last year, Gotta say when you look around it you spot loads of really cheap deals, Think I have a new found love for steam
Lucky they don't do it in Cantonese then
those who have issues i created a steam faq to help people with problems ( it covers more than steam caused errors ) take a look at it
yeah there is a major sale for sega products untill tomorrow just bought alpha protocol for 2 euros and alien vs predator 4.99
Hmm just read the opening post and I predicted what the thread would be like as soon as I saw Steam will be required. 30 odd pages of people saying that they won't be buying the game etc and then others saying steam isn't the enemy. A lot of game companies are going to do this now as Steam is a very good system of buying games etc.
Personally I like the program even though I had reservations about using it when I got FM 2009 but now I own a lot of game son there and bar FM, Portal 2 and Fallout: New Vegas have not paid full price for a PC game. Hell I got Batman: Arkham Asylum for a Fiver and that was the GOTY edition.
So to play FM I HAVE to do it through steam? Can I not just do it like I have before and do it with out having a steam account or something?
No end of problems with steam it would seem and BT Infinity users can't even access steam, this all points to a complete disaster for SI, choosing one option to play the game through steam is an accident waiting to happen, maybe they will learn a lesson (for the 2nd time) not to put all their eggs in one basket!
I pity anyone that tries to play this on release day because it is highly likely that those in favour of steam will be up in arms also!!
Maybe next year I will buy FM2013 if other options to play the game are re-introduced, if not, my time with the FM series will come to an end.
As long as your ISP doesn't block Steam it's no real problem.
The only issue I had with mine is that as I've not played FM11 for a while I've not even had it running so it didn't work at first. A quick download of Steam from the website and re-installation soon sorted it out and my account quickly came up.
Off line mode works fine for me, although after my PC starts up there is a pop up that asks if I want to keep Steam running offline.
I've not heard of any problems with other games that also use Steam to activate on their release day.
Steam is designed to run at a high volume, so I very much doubt that their whole network will lock up due to a big demand from FM players. I would be surprised is FM activation on release day would make much of a dent in Steam's capacity at all especially as those pre-ordering it on Steam will have downloaded nearly all of the game a few days before release day.
For any of those having an issue with BT the problem was apparently related to a DNS issue that came up because of an upgrade BT did, nothing at all to do with Steam in anyway, a cold re-start of your router/modem should sort it out if it isnt working already.
Steam is a brilliant distribution platform. But it shouldn't be required to play the game unless it is a Steam only game.
I assume your meaning Steam is the "virus" lol
Anyway, yes you can stop it starting when you start your computer but you will still need it active if you want to play the game. There is no legal way to play the game without playing it through steam at all times.
I've always hated steam coz my net here in south africa was so ***** that it said it would take like 2 weeks to download but finally we are coming out of the dark ages and have decent internet speed, what i want to ask though is if my net dies(which it does) during download will i be able to carry on from where it bombed or will i have to start again?
after reading, asking around and trying to get more info on steam, I think I can fairly say there's a history of (never fully solved) issues with the offline mode. Probably not for every steam user, but certainly for more than just a few.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the tech support forums going crazy towards the end of october...
Thanks Can't wait
Something else to blame Steam for - I've hardly played FM 2011 since the weekend as I bought Alpha Protocol for £1.50 and its really quite good. I am outraged!
I've been incredibly lucky with FM11 as I had my first crash only after 11.3, but I know people who have been desperate since release day! Steam just adds another little thing than CAN go wrong, and tbh issues with offline mode don't seem to be exceptional.
luckily the guys of tech support won't have to worry about me and a few others...
SEGA and Steam are the same company aren't they ?
Forcing the consumer to create an account, download their client, activate the game through Steam... I mean come on... I know it's more a general matter than a specific one to FM, the complaints of the community won't change a thing, but still, it's not normal...
I still dream that SI will come up with a consolation prize for us (almost) estranged fans, like a late no steam version release. I wouldn't mind waiting until christmas to play without steam...
Steam is horrible and reading this thread has me very disheartened about the future of FM.
Not looking forward to FM12.
Heh. If Sega owned Steam, they wouldn't be losing money all the time.
For one, it gives us no chance to revert back to a older patch if we don't like the new current one.
But if you want to play on say, the second patch, you cant, either the game out the box or the most uptodate game, it is a point, although i have never gone back to previous patches, so yet again im living in the happy land. Loversleaper must really hate me
For the automatic update issue, there's been nothing said about whether you'll be able to choose which patch you want, right?
Is it possible that this could become a choice before FM is launched?
Anyway, thinking about it, one would be able to create a separate login for the computer right. Install FM through Steam on just for that user account? If you download the patch on that account on the computer login - then you could test it there yourself?
If you like it, log back into your other computer account - then install the patch on there if you wanted to.
I know it's a roundabout idea, but would it work for anyone? It's a question at this stage not a suggestion.
For the patch thing. I don't even notice if a patch has been added. It rarely phases me. I've never had the inclination to revert to a different patch. I barely notice when one gets installed as it is.
How can you defend against my choice not to buy a game that requires third party software to play? Why would I "drop into every steam related thread"? I have no interest in Steam. As for "i told you so", I wouldn't descend to a level that would even consider the possibility of saying something like this.
I would also suggest that it won't be such a happy time for anyone who can't play their game.
Steam is sort of built to keep you up to date. Fighting this tooth and nail will probably prove more painful than it's worth. The best you can do is set it to not auto-update from whichever version you get with the first install.
Calm down min i was only having a joke, no need to get worked up about it all. Buy the game, dont buy the game, i really dont care
Totally against this measure. I know Steam is reliable and all but seriously.. Not everyone has an Internet connection. I am also a lover of hardcopies as well. I want the game in its nice box, stored in my gaming shelve with the rest of my collection. I refuse to install Steam because it's of NO USE to me. I'm not going to install a 3rd Party program just to play one single game, I don't like this idea at all. You should at least give us the right to chose between Steam and offline activation though our machine. Last year you showed great commitment to the fanbase when you required no activation for FM2011. And many people appreciated this and did buy the game eventually. This time, you just show you're in it for the cash. It now is clear why there have been so many updates and blogs about the FM12, warming people up and then throwing the pipebomb. Good luck with that. I'm certainly not going for it if that's how you're going to treat your customers.
Disappointed with decision to make the game Steam only. I've been playing FM for many years and am a long-term member of this forum but won't be purchasing FM12 - the first game I haven't bought since back in the CM days.
To be completely honest, none of the new features have really caught my eye and making the game Steam only, confirms my decision. It's not a protest stance, I just think the game is losing touch with the fans.