I never said it happened a couple of hours ago, but like most softwares, problems are not fixed in 5 minutes.
I never said it happened a couple of hours ago, but like most softwares, problems are not fixed in 5 minutes.
I tell you what we have it easy on here, you should see how easy it is to get banned from the steam forums, anyone who moans about the mods being strict here would last 2-3 posts on there!
If you are going to come out with statements like "they know, they are working on it, and what not..." and appearing as if you have your official facts straight then I would kindly request that you present them. Everything else is simply a guess on your part...
If it's official, then it's official...
This is going nowhere- why dont you all go and watch some TV or play FM or another video game or talk to the wife/partner or walk the dog or something useful and give this discussion a break for a while?
If SI think that this will make any difference then they are sorely mistaken. Crackers will always find a way to pirate the game. Heck, some of the very best probably already know how they're going to do it already.
Also, as well as the ones without the internet, what about us that aren't blessed with high spec machines? Granted the user will need to meet the minimum spec, but Steam is still another background application that's going to eat away at valuable ram.
As someone who already possesses games on Steam, having valued price over the issues I've had with the system, I'm certainly apprehensive. I'll be picking the game up on day one as normal, though I have no idea whether I will have internet access by that time so it could be gathering dust. Guess I should have seen it coming, though I can't help feeling disappointed that this is the road my main game is going down...
May have to actually work, perish the thought!
But more resources than nothing.
Morning all...just watching an improved england performance in the rugby (all be it against Romania)
There appears to be a solution to those not being able to log in. The bug is a "case sensitive" issue with your log in details. The steps i took to fix the problems were:
1) Whilst in Steam account click on "Change User" - this should log you out and clear any pre existing saved info
2) Re-Log in but when entering your user name enter it ALL in LOWER CASE!!! Then enter your password and make sure you have it set that Steam remembers your details.
3) In settings check that "Do not save account credentials on this computer" box is not checked
4) Click on Go Offline and then click Restart in offline mode
5) Hopefully problem sorted...
Just a quick thank you to milnerpoint and eugene tyson for their help and "patience" ;-)
Last edited by LambyGHS; 24-09-2011 at 06:58. Reason: Added abit more info
For the last time- the Mods have tried very hard to let this thread continue so that those with comments, both positive and negative, can air their views. In the last 2 or 3 days this has now developed into a few specific posters discussing, arguing, sniping and being pedantic about the issues. It is time to move on- the decision has been taken, SI and SEGA are aware of the concerns of the forum and I am sure will try to alleviate those that they can. We have no desire to start issuing infractions , so be very sure that any further comments are relevant, reasonable and civil, because there will be no more warnings for anyone who crosses these lines.
They have already stated that the game will be activated at 00.01 BST on the 21st.
on steam still saying "october"...when is going to change to 21st october?
Having recently taken a break from flight simming to give FM2011 a try, I found I was really enjoying playing and was seriously looking forward to FM2012. Now that Steam are involved however I have decided to return to flight simming and forget all about FM. Sorry guys but this is a no go for me. Am now planning my next tranatlantic flight, so its back to flight simming for me.
Wow...What's with all the Steam hate? What will it actually cost you just to install it?
Steam doesn't make you do anything you don't want to do. It doesn't force games on you, it doesn't force you to pay any fees for using it. So I don't really understand what everyone seems to have an issue about? Maybe I'm missing something? Someone care to enlighten me?
After installing with steam, do you need the disk in the disk drive anymore?
Thanks, can i install all the graphics while installing on steam
I've clocked well over 900 hours. So if you think about it, it's 901 hours setup time.
That's a solid years wages
Sorry you had issues setting it up. Seems like a lot of people will struggle to get to grips with Steam, whether be buggy, installation problems, or whatver other reasons.
It's going to be a tough year for FM12 I would imagine.
Don't want to start new thread. Does anyone know if blue square north/south will be in the demo version? Thanks
A few years ago when Empire: Total War required Steam activation, I was sceptical. But to be fair, it made me realise how convenient the platform is. I've now downloaded the three previous iterations of FM using it - quick and simple.
www.fmbosnia.com - The game starts here
You authenticate your copy of the game via Steam online. Once that is done you can turn Steam to offline mode, and you no longer need to have internet connected.
However, you must have Steam running to play FM. When you're not playing FM you can quit Steam.
To use Steam in Offline Mode view these instructions
Please be advised that currently Offline Mode is not working - as there appears to be some bug with the latest update. See if you can update Steam.
Like you said, you belong to the small (i believe it's small) group of people that dont have internet, and play the game in a desktop (those who play in a laptop can easily solve that problem).
Have you try send a pm to ony of the gy from SI (Neil Brock, or anyone else), and explain your problem?
dup please delete
Like I've said before - I'm not keen on online activation, but if it's a necessary evil to beat piracy we'll just have to accept it. Running Steam constantly isn't the same as a one-off activation. It's intrusive, unnecessary and can potentially deny access to the game the customer has legitimately purchased. It shouldn't be the only option.
Will it be problem if I use internet tethering via my iPhone to activate? I don't have a connection at home, nor am I likely to have one in the next month.
All in all, not really that pleased as I sometimes have problems with Steam not always remembering my offline details. Meaning I then have to cart my whole setup round to my mums house and log back on JUST to play the game!
I was gonna buy on CD this year to try cut out this problem....
I had Steam several 1000 years ago, but can't remember my log in details or anything. Does anyone now how to update their email address in it or will I have to re-register from scratch (can I do this on this computer)?
I dont like Steam as they limit the use of your property and put files in silly and sometimes unusable locations and formats.
Could someone from SI please tell me whether all the files of the game will be accessible? I mainly ask for inserting editor files and facepacks etc. If they are accessible are they in the same location as before or hidden somewhere in steams hieroglyphics?
So no FM12 for me. I DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL SOME OTHER PROGRAM THAT NEEDS TO BE RUNNING TO PLAY A GAME.
Well, I can at least continue playing my current FM10 save for the next year (skipped FM11), and maybe they'll wise up for FM13.
Now when I shut down my laptop Steam Screenshot Manager kicks in and blocks log-off. I have to force close.And they say Steam is non intrusive. LIARS!
Then I have to log back into Steam again. Of course it tells me I have never used this Steam account on this laptop (the very same laptop I created my Steam account on!).
None of this is funny. I will try to download the demo from Steam when it is released, but any issues doing that and no FM12 order for me. Ill play FM11 much less hassle.
Dont worry though you will only be losing a loyal customer of 14 years, so dont let it spoil your Boardroom bubbly!
Last edited by tigerhgrrrrrr; 24-09-2011 at 19:31.
Well at risk of getting banned again, (even though if I was pro-steam ala Eugene I could wind up every single person who has a problem with impunity and if I was Kriss... I'd be able to let him whilst banning those he upsets with his constant deliberate ignorance)
I want to know, in minute, finite, absolute detail, every single tiny little thing that Steam would be doing on my computer whilst it is running in both online or offline mode if I were to be stupid enough to install it (I doubt anything anybody can say will convince me but we'll see..). I want to know what areas of my computer it is accessing, what data it is sharing and with whom, and why, and anything else that you're not telling us.
And I DO NOT want anybody who is not DIRECTLY related to SI, SEGA or Valve to respond to me, because you shouldn't be even be posting in this thread if you are OK with Steam... (but Kriss let's it ride...). So, can someone from SI/SEGA/Valve tell me exactly what the program does?
and don't say it's doing nothing in offline mode because if it was doing nothing it would not be using resources, AT ALL... nil ram, nil processor time, nil network time, nothing, nada, zilch! So, for once, can someone who has a bit of authority tell us the truth about what exactly we are letting ourselves in for when we install Steam (if we do)? Please?
I repeat, DO NOT REPLY IF YOU DO NOT WORK FOR SI, SEGA or Valve! Nor do I want to be clicking links, I want a direct answer to a direct question, and preferably an honest one...
If you actually want those questions answered you should ask somewhere where they can be and that's not here, but here General information: email@example.com
If you continue posting in this manner you'll get a permanent ban.
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a/ This Steam situation is not good. I keep hearing explanations that things are not working as they should, or software update issues - basically excuses for Steam not working properly all of which seem to be driving loyal Customers of many years away from this new release.
b/ There was the SI/FM Britain falling out. Im not sure I want to go into the details of that but the way it was handled ended in the FM Britain people stepping back from official FM representation BUT they were the only ones who made presentable technical sense of the awful pre-Creator slider-fest that made the pre FM10 games awkward to master.
I really do wonder at these "decisions" by SI (Sega of course I really mean!). Did someone drop the stupid bomb on SI Towers?
To me the one downside of this is that Sega/SI will take a hit if Steam fail to produce.
It is however still nearly a month to release and I'd hope (and very much expect) that Sega/SI will be rattling cages with Steam to make sure they resolve any issues in time.
Could someone arrange for my account to be deleted. Pretty sure i'm going to have no use for it anymore.
that has to be the winner of biggest over reaction ever, give that man some attention
already very reluctant to ever by FM again due to the poor customer service, lack of testing, and refusal to fix errors
the fact we are now forced to download steam has made my mind up
bad shout SI, game over
I don't think Steam have really had to deal with this level of retrieving old accounts because the majority of people that use steam, use it regular and have bought games through them.
I'm a casual Steam user. Though ideally, I'd rather like to see SI/Sega try to improve the value of their product to convince more people to actually pay, rather than diminish it - as even according to Valve's Gabe Newell, ironically perhaps, DRM measures are doing for customers. Some DRM schemes are this strict that they not only diminish the worth of a legal copy, but make pirated copies more attractive than the legal copy at the same time! In all fairness: Despite ever-rising development costs and budgets, the price tags of games have remained largely the same for like 15, 20 years now. But we're living in a throaway-society where much is being treated as a throwaway-product - and this isn't just the consumers, but those who are selling to consumers too. People don't buy music albums for their collection, they download a song for their ipod which will be one song amonst a library of thousands. On the internet, many product of quality can be had for totally free: music, articles, information, games.
Certainly the idea of value and worth that a product holds has massively shifted over the last couple of years. No, the money you pay for a game, a record or a book isn't meant to merely cover the costs of production. But people tend to be simple - I am not different, nor are you. Instead of trying to improve the value of their products (extras, service) though, publishers have the habit to further diminish said values. For most games, it makes no difference whatsoever whether you just got them onto your hard drive by whichever means - or whether you actually paid for them. Physically, extras that used to be comparably common during the 90s (entertaining documenations, maps, posters) have been made the stock of more expensive collector's editions, and even with hit game's like Half Life 2, all you get "out of the box" is a DVD, a flimsy DVD-case, a rushed cover artwork and a printed EULA - that's it. It is something meant to be thrown away immediately. Not that FM ever did hold anything special inside (imagine SI teaming up with a writer astute in football tactics - or offering World Cup/EURO save games for everyone registered for example), I was still surprised to see that even what little documentation the game shipped with prior was completely axed. What can be read is now put online, available for everyone. This might sound equally simple, and this might sound a tad idealist, but you do the Maths.
Last edited by Svenc; 25-09-2011 at 05:52.
Downloaded steam all looks ok, actually benefits me as my disk drive is knackered and FM is only game i play on laptop so a download saves me money on buying a new drive.
End of the day i always buy the latest FM every year so i still would of bought it and after downloading steam i have no problem with it
A note to Steam, if I had smoothly opened my Steam account on Friday, and had no log on problems yesterday(instead of all the issues I did experience eventually getting the account set up & partially operational) you would now have my pre-order or a least a £30 payment to my Steam wallet, instead I am going to suck and see with the demo download.
I am starting to suspect that those who made the Steam activation decision are furious that this weekends problems have occurred, they have been made to look incompetent at best. Would love to have been a fly on the wall when the decision makers realised Steam had (at least in the short term) sold them a pup.
Here's a possible contender for Kriss' "Murphy's Law" list;
What 's the worst thing that could go wrong with this kind of exclusive DRM method? A bug in the game that prevents activation perhaps! No, that's unthinkable, everyone knows that software is subject to rigorous testing and never contains bugs.
Hello to one and all,
I have a few quick questions about the install and activation proccedure for FM12,
1) Can I still buy the hardcopy in the shops, as I have every copy of Championship Manager (that SI made) and Football Managers all lined up in order on shelf ?
2) If the answer to above question is Yes, then I would have to install it on my pc and then activate it via Steam ?
3) Can I also install the same copy on my laptop and use it on there afterwards, as I have done with FM11 which used a Key that was printed on the
back of the bookletso I can take it with me when I go away with work and have to stop in boring hotel rooms ?
Thanks for getting back to me,
yes to all 3 but u will need steam on pc and laptop is the answer judging but what ive read so far
you just cant play them both at same time (pc and laptop)
3. You can install on it any computer, but to play it you have to be logged into Steam. As that where the activation is stored, within your Steam account.
excellent, I have Steam running no problem on my pc at home, just need to decide if to install it on my work laptop or carry on using FM11 on that one, as so not to incur any issues with running on a work laptop !!. my work don't like things like Bit Torrent running on there laptop but don't think Steam is anything like that and will do anything to how the laptop runs, going to run it in offline mode all the time after activation anyway, so reckon it'll be fine and dandy.
I like this new instalation system. Steam is great to play FM, 'cause install the patches automaticly and resolve crash dumps real easy
So let me guess, i can activate the game only once? How about if my account get stolen and i never get that back, i need to buy new game right? I know that is very rare, but things like that can still happen.
IMO game is goin wrong direction. Even i play with steam, i just dont like idea that steam activation is the only way to play.
Then you contact Steam support and get it recovered. If you still have control over your email account it's easy to reset your Steam password. Also, if you've activated the Steam Guard system on your Steam account, they can't even login using your user/pass without access to your email as they'd be doing so from a new computer (which needs approving via email).
I'm a long time opponent of Steam. I'm fine with digital distribution and buy the few games I play as download only these days. I just really dislike Valve's creation of a new monopoly, especially as they are a company I wouldn't buy a game from (no interest in anything I've seen them produce,) and I resent being forced to use their software to play a title that has nothing to do with them - regardless of whether I can play it in some off-line mode. None of the supposed benefits of Steam interest me either. But, well, what does what I think matter as long as Valve make their buck? I'm coming around to the idea I'm going to have to use it some day or give up PC gaming altogether. It doesn't make me very happy.
Monopoly suggests they are the only company doing this.
EA run their own called Origin.
Where these clients can help with online gamers where some cheat, these clients attempt to prevent that. And they also hope to delay piracy issues. Having to do online gaming through the clients means that pirated versions of the software may not be able to join in online.
I can see the importance of SI using a client like Steam to authenticate your purchase of the game. Seems to be a requirement of purchasing the game, to authenticate it online via Steam.
I guarantee that if the music industries could have a client that only their cds can be played through they would do it. Currently there's no way for them to do this.
It's still my view that Steam is perfectly fine to use.