EDIT: Oh Steam is a US based company
Now stop discussing circumvention of the protection please folks, all the questions asked here are clearly answered on the Steam website and/or forums, that's the obvious place to look for info on the workings of it.
I imagine all these people who don't like Steam are over 40 and afraid of change...
Why the QQing about Steam?
"I just don't like it" is hardly a reason.
Second, if you'd bother to read just a page of the thread you'll find about ten different reasons as to why people are reluctant to rely totally on Steam.
Well if people don't want to use Steam they are out of luck.
That's what is required to play FM12. If you buy FM12 you'll need to have Steam and internet connection.
Otherwise don't buy it.
No amount of posts here will change their minds now. One can only hope that their sales are hit hard and they may rethink it.
However, I will be buying it. I look forward to playing the game. Steam use doesn't bother me.
Yep. The same as others who have said "they won't buy FM12 because you have to use Steam" x 100
lol you tell me not to talk down to people and then do the same to me, hypocrisy must be alright then. QQing was just easier to write.
I have read a lot of this thread, most people either seem to be afraid by change, misinformed, or just determined to kick up a fuss because SI did something without asking them first.
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As valid as yours? Which was my point in the first place.
That doens't mean you need to post it twice on every page.
SI/SEGA made a decision, and they have all the right to do it, to implement steam as a activation method.
Now the users have all the right to decide, or not, to buy the game! I dont see any problem with all the process.
As long as SI/SEGA state in the box that steam will be needed, and that a internet conection will be needed to activate the game, then everything is fine.
I've been reading this thread again, also some of my own posts, and sometimes people get a little carry away...
I mean, it's SI/SEGA game, so they have all the right to decide what to do with it! As long as they inform all the potential buyers, which they will, what the problem?
At the end, its a simple decision to buy or not to buy the game? If it's because steam, or because you dont like the new features, or because your PC it's crap and dont run the game, at the end it's always a simple decision... buy or not!
And i dont think that anyone as to justify!
I will buy it! With or without steam! Others will do something different! End of story!
Last edited by Keyzer Soze; 19-09-2011 at 16:26.
Ah Keyzer the nice voice of reason
Nothing is going to change that for FM12. Unless there's a serious drop in sales. FM12 will need Steam and Internet.
It's not a hard decision, as Keyser points out.
I hope it works out for SI and Sega and that sales are good and plentiful to continue producing the game.
I'm willing to go the Steam route, not entirely happy about it. But it's the way it is. I'll do it for FM12. Because I want to play the game. Regardless of any hoops I have to jump through. And if these hoops mean less piracy then I'm down with that.
Again, I work in an industry where pirating software is destroying the trade. And I'm all for anti-piracy techniques and I applaud and support SI and Sega for taking steps to try make it better for their industry.
They could expand a bit more on it is all I ask, give a why and then people can respond to it, as has been happening in some cases. Most of it seems to be out of misinformation and just the general love of forum users for a good whine. Stating "I don't like it" is about as useful as most of my posts!
the only problem i've seen so far, is that there is a lot of bad information about steam, the activation process, the patching process, etc etc
And if there is people who have made up their mind, some are still trying to decide.
And in some degree, this thread is not being very helpfull, in some cases quite the opposite.
It's had been mention before by many users, SI should create a new thread with some FAQ, and with one or two mods (that really understand the steam process) to help everybody making the best personal decision!
Anyway it would be great to have a topic about Steam with all those FAQ answered thoroughly.
There were some things I thought I knew about Steam, but obviously I was wrong. I didn't help matters giving my opinion on things where I had it wrong.
I think SI have stopped looking at this thread now, imo (not fact)?
It seems that this is an issue that is pretty much polarising opinion to one extreme or the other - love or hate. There seems to very little middle ground.I fully understand Steam bashing, it's generally caused me problems and I have issues with many of Steam's principles. I avoid buying games via Steam now - if it's only available on Steam, I'm unlikely to buy it.
I'm surprised they didn't at least link to Steam website. Would give people a chance to actually look at the program and get to grips with it in advance and remove some of the fear of the unknown. They also have a fairly comprehensive Support section where I'm sure people could find out answers to most of their questions whilst the mods, or whoever, reword some of it to make it more FM specific.
I would like to see a FAQ specific for FM.
Simple things like... would the steam instalation file be on the disk? do we need to install it, or will it be automatically installed?
And please don't take this as a titfortat, us/them thing. I have said nothing against Steam, I have never used Steam and therefore can't answer these questions. I would just like the people who can to check their facts before they do.
EDIT; Just seen post #2269 after already posting the above.
Last edited by pigfacemonkeyman; 19-09-2011 at 17:05.
Give people options and they will be happy as more often than not everyone will find a method or option that suits them best.
Take those options away and you stir the hornets nest.
If SI/Sega were honestly thinking about this say.... 2 months AFTER FM11 was released then they had ample time to look at the options but also consult with us, ask for our opinions, give us a poll on possible options that were being looked at. By not doing this they haven't taken away options but denied us the chance to perhaps create options.
Ford decide to sell cars in just one colour.... Pink. How would that affect sales? Ford have every right to do it, but is it smart to do it?
Same applies here, we only have two options. Buy with Steam or don't. Some won't buy it, some will but in the end help us and help yourselves.
Some people may want to keep Steam and buy more games from them.
>Others will want to use Steam to activate and then get rid of it.<
Others won't use Steam at all, even for activation and won't buy the game.
By adding that middle option you give people a choice to use SI/Sega's chosen method of activation but then remove it once we have showed that we have bought this game through legal means and that we are loyal and honest customers.
Innocent until proven guilty. Let us prove our innocence by activating but don't punish us as if we are guilty afterwards by forcing us to continue to use Steam.
hahahahahaha brilliant the car analogies are back, where is Kriss???!!
Once your account is set up and you have activated FM12 then you need never go online with Steam again (unless you change your mind and want the patches ;) )Please note that you must connect to the Steam Network and test each of the games you would like to use in Offline Mode at least once to set up your account and configure Offline Mode on your machine.
Offline Mode allows you to play games through Steam without reconnecting to the Steam Network every time you wish to play - this is particularly useful if you do not plan on playing over the internet and would prefer not to download new updates for your single-player games."
which would hopefully have answered your question
a) Steam will always download and install the latest game patch unless:
a.1) you have steam set as offline
a.2) you set, in preferences of your steam acount, to not update automatically.
So, if this is right, you can play the game without the lastest patch. When you decide that it's time to install the patch, you undo "a.1" or "a.2" and automatically the patch is download and install!
After installing Steam & after 3 days finally getting access to my dormant account I do see one huge upside that could lead to advances in FM that I would like to see, 64bit dedicated coding if the numbers stack up & a faster push to improved graphics & interface if again the hardware figures suggest that the majority of FM owners could support a rapid improvement.
I still have concerns but will be assessing them over the coming months as I did not intend to by FM12 until Jan/February anyway.
Yeah best bet mate, wait it out, see what the feedback is like, if you were planning to buy in Jan anyway you have nothing to lose!! You should download steam tho and give it a few weeks, you can browse and download a few free games, or cheap ones, work with it, set it offline and see how you get on, keep it online, everything possible, and obviously if you dont like it you dont like it.
The Main problem is definitely the fact steam has to remain on your drive, is there a possibility of activation then removing the software used but remembering the honest players who have done this but un-installed?
Nope. Steam must be running.
steam cannot be removed if you want to play FM. It must be there to unlock the game every time you want to play it.
If Steam is going to stop piracy, and if 80% of FM's in use are pirated, does that mean the game will be 20% of the price this year?
Of course that steam system must have to keep on your computer, as it can get at medium or long term more customers, sell more games. its business! are the rules of the game!
Nothing is made without money in this world, i'm pretty sure that SI/SEGA receives money from steam for using them to activate the game. It makes sence that things happen like that. Steam needs to attract more costumers, SI/SEGA need money to continue making FM.
I really dont think the SI/SEGA are cheating FM users with this. They ate defending their business, as we all do.
They will only be cheating, if they didn't tell us, and you would only found out that you need steam to activate the game, when you arrive home and install the game. But that's not the case. They inform us, so we have all the info we need to decide if we want to buy or not.
Last edited by Keyzer Soze; 19-09-2011 at 17:27.
Didn't SI or someone from Sega say already that no money was exchanged between Steam?
I'll ask again
- Will people know at the time of purchase that the game can only be activated online?
- If so, is it stated in big bold letters on the front of the cover or is it written in font 2 at the back?
EDIT: This is pure fabrication on my part, please don't take it has gospel
Last edited by The Welsh Lad; 19-09-2011 at 17:56.
The problem is I really want FM2012 (Fry's Chocolate Cream)
But I really don't want Steam (marmite)
And the only place I can get the one I want, insist and are therefore forcing me (the customer) to have the one I don't.
No more food analogies
And i also think that the steam instalation file should be provided in the disk game.
But i'm sure that pretty soon SI will provide a lot more information on this.
Imagine the uproar if a country was not listed but should have been.
basically yes steam collects when your offline, and yes it send this when you go back online.
I play FM on a PC which isn't connected to the internet, so I'm disappointed by this decision. I also still have the memory of activating FM2009 which took me 2 days.
I have no experience of using Steam myself. I know someone who did try to activate FM via Steam once, who gave up after problems, and just installed it without using Steam.
I also don't like the idea of Steam pointlessly running in the background whilst I play. I think SI/Sega are punishing the genuine consumers more than the pirates here.
Can this game be played with the internet off?? Sorry I don't have time to read 24 pages!
hope that helpsPosted by lf_my_dream View Post
I'm from Germany and had no problems activating my imported boxed copy of FM11 on steam last year, even though it's not available on our regional steam store. You can install from the disc as well, so steam only downloads the patches.
Cheers.....bad news in my opinion steam has brought me nothing but problems but so goes it.