Its also never let me down at all, but like all software there can be issues for specific people, windows wont work properly on one persons system yet perfect on millions others.
Just a quick question!!
Will the disk be needed after I activate it through steam???
How much is the game on Steam?
Plenty of other games in my collection are Steam-only, so this doesn't really bother me to be honest. Digital distribution in some manner is the way forward, and at the moment I'm of the opinion that Steam is the number one choice in that. Plus their sales are pretty good - I got Battlefield Bad Company 2 + Vietnam + some DLC for a tenner a while back and I've played it nearly every day. Some of their games are free too (including Alien Swarm, which is good fun if you haven't played it yet).
At least its not GFWL, which is a terrible piece of software IMO.
Somebody asked about Uni port blocking earlier, the Steam forum has this list http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=723595 in case you want to choose your uni subject to whether or not it's FM friendly
something still hasnt been answered by SI/sega. what are FM12 holders to do if steam goes out of business/crashes/gets hacked???
Why are people pre-ordering through steam when its £10 more expensive?
What I'm not sure about is what happens if your computer crashes and needs reformatting, or you buy a new computer. Can the Steam activation be shifted to the new or reformatted computer? If you've bought the disc, have it, but can't play the game for those reasons, I think that would be really out of order. Can anyone clarify this scenario?
Well i like many others will not be buying this years game .
and its worth to point out that every single game on steam . has been hacked .. there is not one single game that you cant download a hack copy off ...
so is it really worth SI upseting all its gammers for something that wont do the job they say it will ... if anything it will only add to the amount off hacked copys
I have read the thread, but not all the posts.
Although, that doesn't seem to cover whether it was installed from downloading via Steam or from disc.
Although I suspect that it does and I was probably wrong.
And I'm sure from time to time you will post something that is wrong and someone will correct you. Let's hope they do it a more diplomatic manner than you take.
Thanks to the people who pointed out that patches will only be available through Steam.
<shrugs> I'll make sure to pass on that info the next time someone asks.
The first time you log into Steam from a new computer or reformatted computer, or anything of the like, Steam will require verification as it recognises the new computer.
At this point, Steam will email you a verification code to input so you can log into Steam.
Which is called Steam Guard.
So what if I "found" my old computer? Can I continue playing my FM save offline?
I really can't see why you seem to expect people to be loyal to the game? Why would I accept that a game has made a decision that I do not approve off. That is just asking for trouble. The game is there for us. We are not there for the game. As soon as we say to the manufacturer, "Do what you want because we will buy it anyway", they will continue to seek ways to gain the biggest profit without a care for the consumer. You have already seen that your argument that once you activate steam it can be turned off is false. Eventually a deal may be one that you have to be online or something more intrusive. Why? Because Steam runs on ads. The more the merrier for them. It is the nature of the beast.
Just searching about steam issues and problems is causing me to reinforce my stance of not getting FM12.
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Are FM saves cloud compatible?
If it works like that, you could have a string of saves played by different people on different computers, all off one sale - which obviously completely destroys the whole purpose of the exercise!
one disk = one key = one activation
so you can give the disk to someone else, but that key disk is already activate.
I never once argued that steam could be turned off when playing FM, i know for a fact its not true i use steam for all my PC gaming. You can turn it to offline mode which i have repeated a few times, perhaps you misread my posts? You can also turn off all the pop up adds on steam, i never see them except for when i go into the steam store.
If you search for windows problems, you would never want to own windows, if you go looking for software problems it is easy, you could find an article on any piece of software that would put you off it, what counts is personal experience. In my opinion of course.
ABOVE answers: So how does Steam prevent you playing your savegame if you're offline?
The code activates the game for your steam account, not the computer.
You can't pass it on to a friend because the code is only valid for one steam account. But if you get a new computer, you can activate your steam account on that and you'll have access to all your games.
[edit: for context, it was a reply to this post, which several other people already answered while I was typing.]
I live in Germany and I have played the game for many years now, heck, I even bought multiple copies the last two years (could not wait for the disk to arrive...). It would be extremely disappointing not to be able to play FM anymore!
So: Could somebody from SEGA please clarify what happens if I buy a copy in the UK and try to activate it from Germany, please?
Preventing people in Germany (and other countries?) to play the game will in effect mean you might loose more customers than you win by excluding the pirates...
I would also like to state my displeasure in this news. As a paying customer of games past, I will now have to consider buying this version, whereas it would have been a no-brainer before.
That being said I'm sure sales of this version or future versions will not be noticeably impacted one way or another by this decision and sales will instead be dictated by how improved the game is. I would like to point out that the same method of DRM has been cracked before and will be again... I guess games companies are really naive and/or ignorant or they are being advised by DRM makers and being propagandized by them. The amount of time and money it takes to incorporate some elaborate DRM scheme into a game and developing or licensing the DRM itself surely can not make up for getting a few extra sales by the "guy who was smart enough to pirate the 'lesser' DRMed FMs but is absolutely flummoxed with this new DRM" demographic. And then they actually have to go and buy it rather than just giving up and moving on to something else. Also I would assume increased tech support costs for paying customers that don't know what to do too, plus the loss of outraged customers (which is negligible though IMHO). Anything else I'm forgetting? I would love to see real numbers (not propaganda or some hypothetical idealized guesstimated number like in the OP) behind all of these decisions because in my mind that don't make a lick of sense.
Do you not remember Assassin's Creed? What happened at the end? It was cracked (and made easier to play by the pirates). It's a tale as old as time (or at least video games). The only way you can avoid being pirated is if you are a really niche game with a somewhat decent DRM. That would leave you off the radar of the cracking groups but they may still crack it if they notice it. Of course this doesn't apply because FM is a huge game. No matter what the DRM FM puts in place it will be cracked. If you believe otherwise you need to step back into reality. How can you DRM supporters endorse wasting resources on this futile effort? I like to play in the MLS and I would rather they commit these resources to fixing that rather than trying to cynically squeeze a few more sales out of the game.
People will buy it if it's good. That's all you need to know.
Don't get me wrong, I'll buy FM12, infact when I submit this post I'll probably go find the cheapest offer and pre-order it ! However I really don't agree with this decision, I don't know the ins and outs of STEAM so I don't have a problem using it but for two years now I've came on these forums almost every day and have seen post after post after post, thread after thread after thread in which so many people have voiced their concerns, their general dislike and their refusal to allow STEAM anywhere near their device so there's no doubt in my mind SI/SEGA know how a vast majority of their customers feel about STEAM and as such I feel it's a poor decision in all. In saying that, I don't know any figures relating to projected sales with this measure being taken and I doubt this decision would have been made lightly so maybe to ensure the future of FM this decision as tough as it was had to be made.
My main problem here is the fact you need internet connection. While I'm no longer in this boat as I've had internet connection for a few years now, I'm 18 and started playing this game when I seen my cousin playing it nine years ago. I was a nine year old with a single mother, there was no internet connection in my house. Had I needed internet connection for FM back then I'd have had no chance. Not a chance in hell. And you could bet I'd have been pretty upset which would have put unnecessary pressure on my mum. Now I can guarentee despite the increase in households with internet connection there will still be a percentage of FM users no matter how big or small that will be in this predicament and thats just not fair. Maybe it's the fact that this percentage will be the latter rather than the former and projected sales will mean this loss of custom will be little more than a scratch in SEGA's sales. Although the argument that there are more options to connect to the internet outside of your home to download STEAM and use the offline option is it really ok to ask your customers to go out and pay £20-£30 and then go to the library or the internet café or use someone elses broadband before they can then play the game they paid for ? I should reitterate that STEAM is by no means my area of expertees but perhaps if someone owns an older computer the last thing they want to do is be downloading a piece of software they don't actually want ?
Going off topic, but it is an inappropriate analogy. My local team is Arsenal - the stadium is a ten minute walk away. I can't afford to watch them now the ticket prices are amongst the highest in the world. Does that make me disloyal?Originally Posted by milnerpoint
Then you are no longer loyal, simple as, my local football team are rubbish, lose most weeks, only scored in two league games this season, but im loyal and go watch them every week, thats what i mean through good and bad, loyal people are not just there through what could be perceived as the good times, they are there through everything, even decisions they dont agree with because loyalty is sticking with something through thick and thin.
Be clear, I am NOT saying FM is too expensive - I absolutely do not think that at all. i just mean your concept of loyalty is faulty here.
You would hope so, but it doesnt always seem that way from where im sitting!!
So you have the game installed on your desktop and your laptop. You forgot to log off the desktop and log in on your laptop. You mean that's it!! I lose access to my games I paid for without a chance of explanation....seriously.....Now this is sounding even worse!!
You need to take that up with Steam. You can contact their customer support, and they will give you the chance to provide proof of purchase of the game.
You don't own the software, any software that you buy. Including Windows, Mac OS, any fonts that you "buy", most software.
You don't own it. You buy a license to use it. The software comes with a EULA. For Football Manager your license is restricted to the installation on 1 computer.
It's not your game. It's a license to use the game, and the agreement is that you can install and use the Software on one computer.
This is standard for most software.
Ask yourself, how many people installed through steam for FM11? Neither of us will know that, but you can bet SI and SEGA do, if those figures were not encouraging they would have never gone down this route. Remember your average young gamer most likely has accepted things like steam and others, they are becoming standard, they will not bat an eyelid at all.
yup its very sad some people will miss out, but thats the nature of advancement, im sure more have missed out because their pc was not up to scratch, or their graphics card died.
Anyway I will leave it at that. I see consumers will accept just about anything these days. I can see the day when you will have to use a thumb print scanning to log into your game. People will say "what's the problem?" Poor old fogies don't get it And even then the games will still be pirated because the pirates are cleverer than the developers.
I will choose to sit it out. It just does not sit right with me...peace to all of you and happy gaming
What will the situation be for the FMH versions of FM 2012?
(Sorry, I know this is the PC/Mac forum, but there's no announcement in the handheld section and I didn't want to start a new thread there).
Personally I have a PSP and I don't think there'll be something special for it. But how about the iOS versions?
yeah they did used to instaban no questions asked for this kind of thing but they lenient now.
You're made aware of the EULA prior to installation of most software. It's actually when you click the "I agree to the... " option most people just tick that box without reading it.
Nobody is going to be sued for installing the game on two computers that they own.
But you might be if you install it on 100's of computers.
Where are Steam based? If they are US or elsewise outside of the UK then unless I am very wrong then they are NOT tied to any data protection laws in the UK. Can SI/Sega confirm what the data security measures are and that Steam/whomever the parent company is are tied to data protection laws in the country OF THE CONSUMER not their base? I am assuming no financial information needs to be given but my email address is a valuable asset and I work very hard to ensure I don't get spam from companies by not signing up to much.
I work in the data world so my other questions are:
What personal information am I REQUIRED to provide in order to create an account and activate the game?
What OPT-OUTS do they have for providing data (I am hoping they don't just squirrel away that by agreeing to install Steam you are letting them have access to your data? Can I opt-out of not only 3rd Party but Steam/Holding company too?
I wont bite to the rest because its all been said, sadly you wont be enjoying FM12, thats your decision and even if i dont understand it i respect it