My intial reaction was that I won't be buying the game, as I only seem to hear bad press about Steam.
But, I understand that I have to install the Steam client on my computer, but what exactly does this client do? What is running in the background? Does my Internet connection have to be running to be able to play the game, or can I switch my router off.
I'm not being paranoid, but I really do object to having to install further (unwanted) software, in order to play a game that I have legally purchased.
Really can not understand all the hate towards Steam.
I have been using Steam for over 5 years and had only 1 problem in that time,which sorted itself out in 2 days.
The Steam client takes mere seconds to download and after you register the game you never ever have to switch Steam on again...well until the next edition of FM that is :P
I have quite a few games on Steam and play on it regularly both single player games and multi player games...not sure why so many people are so paranoid over it.
Although I haven't had an answer yet, they mentioned that the above would apply to all disc versions. Any bought via digital download will most likely not need to be activated by Steam. So if you don't like Steam, buy it online. www.fmscout.com
Long-time lurker here, and I have loved CM and FM for many years.
Sega and Sports Interactive have, of course, every right to protect their software and if they want to link with Steam platform then that's fully within their rights.
However, I don't think this is just to prevent the issues of piracy. As others have stated that other software has been 'leaked' on to the internet in spite of it being linked to the Steam platform.
Is it also the case that by forcing it to activate via Steam you are also preventing use of the game before that date. So this could be a method to try and prevent that? Maybe some of your retail partners are not happy that other retailers sell the game early?
Could it also prevent the re-sale issue too? For example with Football Manager 2011 it was possible to link the game with Steam and then put the game on Ebay for sale with the caveat that it may not work with Steam, but was fine to play of the disc.
I have no problem with Steam, but I can fully understand as to why people may not want it on their computer.
I think I may skip this product if the Steam activation is going to be mandatory. It's just not my cup of tea.
Some good games coming out over the coming months. My money will be going to Uncharted 3.
It would just be nice if someone gave us the real reasons and not the anti-piracy rhetoric. That's the problem with SEGA, they're not honest with their customers at all.
The Steam client acts as a buffer for registering the game, this is an attempt to cut-down on the piracy. The client will also, when online mode keep your acheivements up-to-date, with Steam offline your achievements aren't recorded, it will also, when online download any patches or updates for the game.
The internet connection only has to be on to install Steam. Once installed you can unplug your internet and swing it over it your head cowboy style and the game will still run but you have to have Steam running in the background.
If you don't have Steam running you can't play the game. But it just has to be in the system tray.
Altough i can understand the decision from SI/SEGA, i dont see this as a contribute to reduce piracy. IMO wont have any effect on the 25% piracy ratio.
For me, this is perhaps, the first step to end the disc version of FM, and perhaps FM2013 or FM2014 will be exclusive from steam!
The great irony is that protection measures have in many cases lead to increases in piracy. In this case however I think we should accept SEGA and SI's decision and to be perfectly honest they have been fair in recent times, especially after the disaster of their last attempt.
i'm like jpwild in that im a long time lurker. I also hate the fact that steam has become mandatory. I tried it once and hated it. It is something that i categorically do not want on my pc. My pre-order has been cancelled and i was really looking forward to it having played the series since cm 97/98. Think i'll stick to FIFA this year.
The people in the industry are so out of touch with the consumer when it comes to DRM...
The consumer is always punished and blamed when big companies can't reach their targets (because that little less profit just wont do!)
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There's many advantages to using the Steam platform, but yes, certainly the copy-protection aspect heavily influenced the decision. Also the easiness of patching for the users is another major advantage of using the Steam platform. Obviously this is the first year we've gone down this avenue and we haven't made this decision lightly - rest assured we'll as always try and be thorough as possible on these forums in attempting to help any user encountering difficulties or simply has a question about Steam/FM prior to release.
Wakers no offence but I don't really know what else you expect Sega to say? Everyone is well aware piracy is a massive problem within PC/Mac gaming and sadly many games companies have gone bust or stopped releasing games (RIP EHM) due to battles with piracy which have unfortunately been lost.
You know this is not what your customers want yet press ahead regardless. Backwards thinking from a company still living in the 90's.
Oh well that's the end of an era for me - been playing CM/FM for near enough sixteen years now.
Won't be buying the game whilst being made to install something I don't want.
I appreciate that Steam makes it incredibly easy to push out updates, and to keep graphics drivers up to date, but it does nothing against piracy - if anything it will drive a new section of potential or existing customers towards it. Steam has several advantages, but it also has a lot of disadvantages which are far too easily swept under the carpet.
That and forcing someone who's purchased the game to install third party software is not a good way to treat customers. It should be an option, it should not be mandatory.
Again, Steam does nothing against piracy, so I struggle to believe that is the actual reason for this decision.
Software like STEAM is the future, better get on the digital wagon.
Ive used STEAM for some years now, and I havent received bad/intrusive mails, phonecalls, knocks on my door late at night, nor suspicious PC behaviour.
STEAM is not the work of Satan, so please try it out eh?
I'm not exactly sure why you can't release facts and figures? Transparency is a good thing.
Gruching so sorry if its been mentioned already but If we have to register on Steam doesn't that mean the game cant be resold with out giving away the details of your Steam account?
Or can I un-link it from my steam account?
Whilst signing up to Steam is not an issue for me, it's hardly like you're being asked to pay for Steam first, it all seems really pointless to me, as I bet my last £ that it will be available on torrents as soon as it gets released anyway.
Sadly, you'll never beat the pirates, and all you will achieve is annoying genuine customers, as this thread has more than proven.
There's a lot of people saying that Steam doesn't make any difference in combating piracy, have you got figures to prove that?
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As long as I'm not forced to play the game through Steam I can deal with that.
So the argument goes:
Pirating is difficult via steam
pirates don't use steam
to play our game, they will not only have to buy steam, but they will also be buying our game.
Seems illogical to me. Either steam is fine for pirates, or you're asking an awful lot of people who for whatever reason didn't pay for the game in the first place.
And on the other end of the scale, you're ******* off your real customers. poor form.
I'm not really happy about using a 3rd party software but I'll try it out since I want to play the game. For those who are complaining about being "forced" to install a third party software, it's only an extension of having to download plug-ins to make sure a program runs smoothly and while it's not a great result, it is what it is.
The thing that you should look at is how quickly games are available on torrent sites that have steam activation as the only way to activate the game.
Steam is still DRM (speaking of DX3), and that is still something that a lot of people have a big problem with.
Actually, you can now trade games within steam - however I think this applies to digital downloads only at the moment.
The basic point is - pirates will get around Steam very quickly. I still get this sense that games companies are clinging to the old '1 pirated version is a 1 lost sale.'
So if pirates get around steam, then what exactly is the point of it? All it does is annoy people who wouldn't consider pirating the game in the first place.
you will never stop piracy,steam wont stop it,there will be a crack on the internet in the first week that the game is out.you wont need to activate it then.so why use steam its not going to stop the f k r s who do this.
if based on this decision the game sells 100,000 more copies, it doesn't matter to the people in charge if 200,000 customers who have been loyal to the game for 15 years stopped buying it
this is hilariously bad stuff
I am afraid sega you have just lost a customer. I don't want to be forced to install a program on my pc/mac that i do not want and on that basis this will be the first fm since its inception that i will not purchase.
Another one signed up to whinge!
Not happy with this at all, admittedly I haven`t bought a new FM since 09, as I prefer to spend time on older versions than buy the latest one of the shelf.
But this year I was planning to get FM12, I was ready to move up and embrace all the new features, however time consuming they may be, I was going to get stuck in regardless.
But now I have to go through Steam to get it to work, I give up. I try to keep my PC away from the internet (where I can) to avoid any nasties, and I tend to download any files I need
on my other PC and move them across to my gaming PC on a USB stick, which has worked well for me on all the older versions, and I was looking to continue doing things this way.
I have no interest in trying to obtain a pirated copy of the game, it`s either a brand new, fresh out of the box and official game that I can install and play on the day or nothing for me.
For all the older versions that I can play without my PC ever seeing an internet connection, I thank you immensely from the very depths of my heart. And it is those I shall go back
and play and appreciate more than I have ever done, as I can just play without anything telling me I have to go here, there or anywhere before I can begin.
Everything used to be so simple, now it`s just cluttered up because too many outside influences want to stick their fingers in the pie. Well I am no longer hungry if this is the new recipe.
Cheers again :-)
Damn it all, I was about to bite the bullet on agents, and move up from FM10. :mad:
Maybe look at it like this:Really can not understand all the hate towards Steam.
"What can I get you ?"
"Ummm, I'll have some chips and,...err.. hamburger with the lot thanks, umm but no onions"
"No worries," (writing and speaking aloud) "Chips, and haamm... burgg...gerr with the lot, "
"Yep, great,.. but with no onions"
"But a hamburger with the lot, comes with onions"
"Yes, but I don't want any onions"
"But it comes with onions"
"Yep, got that bit mate, but I don't want any onions, actually, I don't like onions"
"How about..... I just put the onions to the side, next to the chips"
"No,... I don't want any onions"
"But.. they.. could just.. sit next to the chips, and you... could... maybe... just ignore them"
"NO... I DON'T want any onions,I DON'T like onions"
"The onions are free you know,"
"LOOK... NO F**KING ONIONS, YOU GOT IT.......friggin' peanut"
Well thats the gist basically
How about this
If you have never installed Steam and you don't want to install steam well meet half way
How about you try it for a week and if you don't like it you can uninstall it? If you have any questions on how to use it, or to uninstall it just ask.
But if you're just not installing it because of irrational fears that it's a memory hog, slows down your computer, it's spying on you or anything like that, I can confirm that none of that is true.
Try it. You might actually like it. And if you don't uninstall it.
Don't understand what problems people have with Steam. Though i suppose software can affect everyone differently. Don't agree with this change however but it wont stop me buying it since i use steam anyway. Really does make patching the game easier for one thing(and has also saved games that would've been corrupted-due to computer ****ing up, without steam).
Do Not want it and i think %90 of the FM community are with me in saying that as this thread proves. i am NOT a fan of fifa manager but ea really are making a lot of effort to improve that game to overtake this and they already have the fifa match engine to use. i would be very careful with irritating and annoying your loyal fan base because they won't stay loyal for much longer.
If someone wants to pirate a game, they won't mind installing something that helps them do it.
If someone just wants to play a game that they've bought, they might mind having to sign up to an online service and all of the registration, potentially security issues and possible service disruptions that come with it.
I always install the game through steam anyway so it makes no difference to me.
Steam uses next to no resources nowadays, can be set offline, is very minimalist so it doesnt get in the way, has fun achievements, allows you to chat with friends ingame using steam community (if online).
I see no negatives to steam tbh unless i didnt have an internet connection at least once to activate the game.
Anyone who hasnt used steam in the last year should just try it out now to see how unintrusive it is and how little resources it now uses compared to years ago.
The research done by the guys at SEGA think it will have a positive impact and so it's happening. It really is a war against piracy (and piracy, whatever some people will have you think, really is risking destroying creative industries, not just gaming) and this is FM's next move in attempting to combat it.
Good point made further up that I haven't seen an answer for. What if you want to re-sell your game on Ebay or the like when FM13 comes out? I often sell my old games for a few quid, I take it as it will be already registered there will no longer be the option to do that?
If we could play FM12 without Steam I'd quite happily pay double what you monkeys that will buy it with Steam, it's not about piracy to me, it's about being forced to use something I don't like nor want to use despite me paying hard-earned cash for it! I should have the choice... the only choice I have is install steam and play the game or don't install steam and don't play the game... it will be the latter
I welcome steam with open arms.. Been using it for many many years and very rarely do I encounter any problems.
Install the bloody program and thats it.. how is that annoying to anyone? - most of you happily install winamp, vlc, winzip etc in order to use some other programs/media or something like that.. why do you not require mp3, movies and such come with their own built-in player? - Why is it such a big problem to install steam when you probably have 20-30 others "not needed" programs on your pc?
I really dont get how it is such a big problem.. Annoying? I guess.. if you're not used to use Steam, but so annoying that you will boycott FM? - insanity IMO
I think that everyone needs to remember that if there was no piracy in the world then there'd be no need for the measures discussed. If you'd spent years working on something wouldn't you do all you could to protect it from someone trying to steal it? Steam is great IMO, and it doesn't require an internet connection past the first time you activate FM so I don't really see the problem.
At the end of the day - like the lad from SEGA said - less piracy = more people having to buy the game = more money for development = better FM13/14/15, I, for one am more than happy to go through Steam if that's what it takes.