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    Default A Message On Football Manager 2012 Activation

    Each year we give you an update on the status of copy protection and activation of Football Manager and the decisions taken as we know it’s a hot topic for many of you, although for many others it’s not really an issue at all.

    As you may remember, last year we decided against any activation as we couldn't find a solution that we thought struck a balance on combatting piracy and not penalising the genuine consumer. We did make our position on anti-piracy pretty clear though, we see it as a big problem for our game and we said we'd continue to look for a solution that stopped, or made it very difficult to pirate the game and play it for free.

    This year we have found what we believe is an acceptable solution. Any version of Football Manager 2012 bought on disc will have to be activated through the Steam network, so therefore purchasers will have to have an internet connection for initial activation. This is a one-time only activation which requires you to sign up for a Steam account (which is free) and to install the Steam client and once it has been done the game can be played offline by turning on Steam's Offline mode. With those two simple steps done there are no more hoops to jump through or steps to take.

    We appreciate that the vast majority of people reading this post on the forums are genuine consumers of the game, and that having to activate is not as simple as putting the game in the drive and playing. However we hope that, as a fan of the game, you feel that having to do a one-time activation is worth it to try to prevent others playing the game for free and stealing what you purchase with no punishment, and with no contribution toward the future of Football Manager and it's development. Make no mistake, if a quarter of the people that usually pirate the game switch to purchasing Football Manager 2012, the sales of the game worldwide would more than double. This would lead to increased development budgets and more benefits for all of you who do buy the game.

    We've taken this decision because we believe that the steps the consumer has to take are not excessive, and that as a one-time only measure with no tracking or reporting it is not too intrusive. Having worked with Steam for a few years now we also believe that their system is ever improving and gives Football Manager players a good service of free auto-updating, achievements and other great benefits without cost or hassle.

    We hope you understand and support the decision. It's by no means taken lightly, although I hope for the vast majority of you it's nowhere near as big an issue as we treat it as being.

    In summary:
    • You need to connect to the internet to activate Football Manager 2012 on PC and Mac before you start playing it
    • To activate you will need to sign up to, and install the Steam client
    • Once you have activated Football Manager 2012 you can then play it in Steam's "offline mode" - meaning you do not have to be connected to the internet to play
    • Saved games are stored locally on your machine, but you can play Football Manager on any machine by signing into Steam and selecting it from your purchased games
    • Staying connected to Steam will mean Football Manager 2012 is automatically updated with any patches or data updates released

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    Bad move in my opinion. This restricts people playing in other countries who do not have Internet Connections (which inturn leads to them maybe pirating it themselves when they wasn't going to do that in the first place).

    Also, If this is an anti-piracy measure - there really is no point. Hackers always win... unfortunately.

    I would reconsider that move.

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    I don't want this.

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    Don't like the idea of it at all. Real consumer's should not be forced to have steam to play the game, this coming from someone who has lots of games on steam including FM. Don't like it at all and will almost definitely cause a stir.

    Not everyone is lucky enough to have an internet connection.

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    Just a quick question, for those who don't have interent, could they register the game say on their parents computer then play the game on their laptop.

    The reason I ask many students, use university internet or library internet, so downloading steam may not be possible

    Thank is advance,

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    I was really looking forward to the game, but there is no way i'll be signing up to steam, so that's it for me. It's been fun. bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    Just a quick question, for those who don't have interent, could they regiter the game say on their parents computer then play the game on their laptop.

    The reason I ask many students, use university internet or library internet, so downloading steam may not be possible

    Thank is advance,

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    You can use someone else's PC with internet connection, create your account and activate fm on that account then use your own PC to play the game. This isn't a problem because the fm12 activation code is fixed to YOUR account and not a certain PC.

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    Can SI explain what the situation would be for FM gamers in the same household then?

    Sounds to me like because of idiots stealing the game me and my brother have to buy the game twice despite living in the same household? Or is there an option for this problem? I don't see why we should have to buy the game twice, its extremely harsh. We don't buy two Fifa games for example. Last couple of years I have acitivated through Steam and he has used the disc so I'm guessing now he will need a Steam account and his own activation code which means buying two games? Not very fair is it?

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    Im not impressed with having to use Steam. Makes me not wanna buy it even more now

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    Just a quick question, for those who don't have interent, could they register the game say on their parents computer then play the game on their laptop.

    The reason I ask many students, use university internet or library internet, so downloading steam may not be possible

    Thank is advance,

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    No, IIRC you'll will need to be able to login to Steam to play the game if it's been registered on a different machine, not sure if you can get around this by installing it on your laptop when you're back at your parents but it sounds plausable.

    As for activating via Steam I am 100% against a game developer forcing me to install 3rd party software to play their game, this is unacceptabel & has just put me back to the position of not buying the latest release since 1992.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris21 View Post
    Can SI explain what the situation would be for FM gamers in the same household then?

    Sounds to me like because of idiots stealing the game me and my brother have to buy the game twice despite living in the same household?
    Techanically under the EULA on all previous versions this is what you should have done anyway.
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    I've never used Stream so this is a bit of a newbie question. Once activation happens, can I delete Stream off the computer or does it need to stay installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username1 View Post
    I was really looking forward to the game, but there is no way i'll be signing up to steam, so that's it for me. It's been fun. bye.
    bye

    i've been using steam for 3 years and never had a problem, jesus some people are so paranoid

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    Nobody likes the necessity of measures like this but it's becoming industry standard it seems.
    Like it or not you can't deny them the right to take anti piracy measures and I don't subscribe to the give up because you can't beat them view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris21 View Post
    Can SI explain what the situation would be for FM gamers in the same household then?

    Sounds to me like because of idiots stealing the game me and my brother have to buy the game twice despite living in the same household? Or is there an option for this problem? I don't see why we should have to buy the game twice, its extremely harsh. We don't buy two Fifa games for example. Last couple of years I have acitivated through Steam and he has used the disc so I'm guessing now he will need a Steam account and his own activation code which means buying two games? Not very fair is it?
    That's true. You won't be able to play on two computers at the same time as when you login to Steam from another computer it kicks the person off who was on the account first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    I've never used Stream so this is a bit of a newbie question. Once activation happens, can I delete Stream off the computer or does it need to stay installed?
    Steam will have to stay installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by englandmanager View Post
    bye

    i've been using steam for 3 years and never had a problem, jesus some people are so paranoid
    I don't think that's the problem though. People have problems in the past and once you have one problem with something, you're never likely to go back to it. It's a shame, but as Kriss said, it's probably the only way to beat it at the moment.

    I use Steam and have never had a problem, yet. I will buy the game but if people start to get issues with registering it, then SI may lose customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris21 View Post
    Can SI explain what the situation would be for FM gamers in the same household then?

    Sounds to me like because of idiots stealing the game me and my brother have to buy the game twice despite living in the same household? Or is there an option for this problem? I don't see why we should have to buy the game twice, its extremely harsh. We don't buy two Fifa games for example. Last couple of years I have acitivated through Steam and he has used the disc so I'm guessing now he will need a Steam account and his own activation code which means buying two games? Not very fair is it?
    Thats the downside of priacy prevention. Your only problem would be if you both wanted to play the game at the same time. Because like I was told above its not linked to a pc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    I've never used Stream so this is a bit of a newbie question. Once activation happens, can I delete Stream off the computer or does it need to stay installed?
    Unless something has changed it needs to remain installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    I've never used Stream so this is a bit of a newbie question. Once activation happens, can I delete Stream off the computer or does it need to stay installed?
    Steam will need to stay installed on your computer. You will also need it installed for steam to update any patches that are released by SI anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriss View Post
    Nobody likes the necessity of measures like this but it's becoming industry standard it seems.
    Like it or not you can't deny them the right to take anti piracy measures and I don't subscribe to the give up because you can't beat them view.
    This is not anti piracy measures at all though. Steam games can be cracked very easily (for example.. CSS and newer games such as Red Orchestra) - same as any other game.

    I myself personally, have around 30 games or so on Steam, including FM2011, and am fine with the move. But there are consequences for the average consumer when taking this decision.

    Edit: I would personally make the game a GFWL game. Let people have Xbox Live achievements - just this will get people to buy it. It will also open the game up to different markets. Yes, GFWL games can be played even without a cd key - but this is same with any other game.
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    Steam is amazing. People need to stop being so narrow minded about things that are new to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    Unless something has changed it needs to remain installed.
    but it can remain in offline mode , even whilst playing fm12

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    i wont be buying fm again if this is the case.

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    Thanks for the responses guys, still seems unfair to me. Not gonna be stupid and say 'I'm not buying the game now blah blah blah' but for someone like myself who has been playing the game for 10+ years and my brother for around 5+ years to have to suffer because of criminals is just ridiculous. I don't blame SI but I'm not happy about this, no issues with Steam either, I quite like using Steam for myself but now we need two accounts, two codes and two games in the same house? Madness but nevermind.

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    Hi, Yes Steam will need to remain installed. However this offers great benefits such as top quality download speeds, automatic updates & achievements to track you progress

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    um wasnt civ 5 done like this and a working pirate copy was out the same day it was released. Anyway steam isnt to bad compared to some things they could of used such as always being online. At least you can play offline with steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Manager08 View Post
    This is not anti piracy measures at all though. Steam games can be cracked very easily (for example.. CSS and newer games such as Red Orchestra) - same as any other game.

    I myself personally, have around 30 games or so on Steam, including FM2011, and am fine with the move. But there are consequences for the average consumer when taking this decision.

    Edit: I would personally make the game a GFWL game. Let people have Xbox Live achievements - just this will get people to buy it. It will also open the game up to different markets. Yes, GFWL games can be played even without a cd key - but this is same with any other game.
    We can assure you that this measure has been taken to combat piracy. Like other solutions nothing is 100% effective, but this is the reason for required activation this year.

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    If I have to install Steam, I'm not buying... simple!

    I used Steam on FM09 (before I knew any better) FM is the ONLY game I play, I don't want nor need Steam...

    not good Sega, not good at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris21 View Post
    Thanks for the responses guys, still seems unfair to me. Not gonna be stupid and say 'I'm not buying the game now blah blah blah' but for someone like myself who has been playing the game for 10+ years and my brother for around 5+ years to have to suffer because of criminals is just ridiculous. I don't blame SI but I'm not happy about this, no issues with Steam either, I quite like using Steam for myself but now we need two accounts, two codes and two games in the same house? Madness but nevermind.
    You've always needed two games. The license for a game only covers one person.

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    Fair enough. Yes, it is better than what you have had before but is it worth it - that's all I was suggesting.

    Cheers.

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    • Once you have activated Football Manager 2012 you can then play it in Steam's "offline mode" - meaning you do not have to be connected to the internet to play
    • Saved games are stored locally on your machine, but you can play Football Manager on any machine by signing into Steam and selecting it from your purchased game.
    So everytime I want to play FM I have to log on, switch to offline mode. So installing it onto a loptop without internet connection is going to be a problem. Or does this only apply to FM that has been purchased and downloaded through Steam, and not on Disc.

    EDIT: The reason why is that I can take my sae game anywhere, I have a pc at home with interent but my laptop doesn't
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    Sounds good to me, have all my games on steam as it is.

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    Steam in offline mode doesn't work well. If you restart PC, you need to reconnect, etc. Good luck with this when FM is released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    So everytime I want to play FM I have to log on, switch to offline mode. So installing it onto a loptop without internet connection is going to be a problem. Or does this only apply to FM that has been purchased and downloaded through Steam, and not on Disc
    This would apply to the disc aswell. As when you put the disc in, the steam installation will come up - you log in and then you enter your cd key. After that you would install it via disc and you have the option to download it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    So everytime I want to play FM I have to log on, switch to offline mode. So installing it onto a loptop without internet connection is going to be a problem. Or does this only apply to FM that has been purchased and downloaded through Steam, and not on Disc
    no you've got it wrong, you only need to activate it online once, then switch to offline mode in your settings, then you can play without a connection for months or forever until you want a patch

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    I love how everyone bashes Steam right away because of experiences they haven't had with it. I've been using Steam since 2004 and own 258 games on it. It saved me around two grand in total expenses because of the outstanding sales they have. Steam is not a virus, it's not going to do anything to your computer. Stop being so paranoid and buy it! Steam is an amazing tool and you have no reason not to like it.

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    I want a hard-copy of the game, ALWAYS, I don't use digital downloads I buy the disc...

    and then I'm going to be FORCED to install a piece of software that is invasive, intrusive, using resources unnecessarily, that I'm never going to use for anything else, its effin scandalous! I'm proper not happy!

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    Although I understand the reasons from a developer POV I personally think its a huge mistake from a consumer POV and will create a lot of unhappy customers.

    Personally I have Steam installed with a few games played through it including FM10 & 11 but I was leaning towards not using Steam for FM12.

    Twice this last year I have been left unable to play FM11 due to loss of internet connection - I usually play in "online" mode and although Steam has an "offline" mode the way it works seems to have changed. You used to be able just to select offline mode when an internet connection wasn't available but now you have to log in online to set the offline mode which is impossible when your connection is being worked on by BT leaving you unable to play any Steam registered games.

    The only workaround would leave me having to put Steam in offline mode permanently just in case I don't have a connection when I get home on a night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    So everytime I want to play FM I have to log on, switch to offline mode. So installing it onto a loptop without internet connection is going to be a problem. Or does this only apply to FM that has been purchased and downloaded through Steam, and not on Disc
    No this isn't the case. You need to log on to activate. Then once you're activated you can change your Steam account setting to Offline Mode and the account will remember this setting and will allow you to play the game without connecting to the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy Yankee View Post
    Steam in offline mode doesn't work well. If you restart PC, you need to reconnect, etc. Good luck with this when FM is released.
    stop talking rubbish, mine is set to offline mode and has not needed to be reconnected once and i turn my computer off every night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ackter View Post
    You've always needed two games. The license for a game only covers one person.
    I have to admit that I actually never knew this...imagine I had four brothers? We would need the same game 5 times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David - SEGA View Post
    Hi, Yes Steam will need to remain installed. However this offers great benefits such as top quality download speeds, automatic updates & achievements to track you progress
    But I don't want those 'great benefits'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar2010 View Post
    Although I understand the reasons from a developer POV I personally think its a huge mistake from a consumer POV and will create a lot of unhappy customers.

    Personally I have Steam installed with a few games played through it including FM10 & 11 but I was leaning towards not using Steam for FM12.

    Twice this last year I have been left unable to play FM11 due to loss of internet connection - I usually play in "online" mode and although Steam has an "offline" mode the way it works seems to have changed. You used to be able just to select offline mode when an internet connection wasn't available but now you have to log in online to set the offline mode which is impossible when your connection is being worked on by BT leaving you unable to play any Steam registered games.

    The only workaround would leave me having to put Steam in offline mode permanently just in case I don't have a connection when I get home on a night.
    You don't need to be online to go into offline mode if you had your password saved before going offline.

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    Got to say its good how they did this, give a few blogs about updates and improvements then drop this bomshell

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    Quote Originally Posted by David - SEGA View Post
    Hi, Yes Steam will need to remain installed. However this offers great benefits such as top quality download speeds, automatic updates & achievements to track you progress
    Achievments do not enhance my gaming experience, I don't care to automatic downloads as I'm quite capable of doing this myself & using torrents has always given me good download speeds because I'm not a leech.

    I'm sorry to say that unless I can be convinced that Steam has changed it will not be getting anywhere near my rig, I installed it when it was first used for FM activation & I removed it after 3 days because it was an intrusive, data mining annoyance that I had no trust or confidence in.

    Quote Originally Posted by David - SEGA View Post
    We can assure you that this measure has been taken to combat piracy. Like other solutions nothing is 100% effective, but this is the reason for required activation this year.
    Obviously you cannot discuss numbers & I wouldn't expect you to do so but was there an identifiable reduction in retail volumes when you removed the need for Steam activation? I assume you've factored in the economic downturn & any changes in territories the game is sold in.

    Basically I do not accept the arguement that is always made of 'we will sell more with this measure in place', I am however open to accept facts when they speak for themselves.

    Edit: Time to research Steam & update my knowledge base.
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    I look forward to seeing all those who said goodbye back here within a month of FMs release, Steam is perfect for me, always has been and always will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    So everytime I want to play FM I have to log on, switch to offline mode. So installing it onto a loptop without internet connection is going to be a problem. Or does this only apply to FM that has been purchased and downloaded through Steam, and not on Disc.

    EDIT: The reason why is that I can take my sae game anywhere, I have a pc at home with interent but my laptop doesn't
    Half the time you won't even know Steam is there, really. I don't have a problem with Steam and it's good imo. I guess I'll do exactly the same as I did last year by installing it and then having to insert the activation code, like you did for FM10. My Steam account is always logged in so when I turn my laptop on and it's set up in automatically signs me in as I have the automatically sign me in thing ticked. If I don't have internet connection, it'll say Steam has failed to sign in or something. Retry or start in offline mode. If I know I don't have an internet connection then I'll click start in offline mode and I'm good to go.

    So, if you're able to get an internet connection for the day the game comes out you could install it and you should be fine.

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    I find the Steam thing a little tedious, though not massively life-altering, but I just don't agree with you that this will help to combat piracy. Your .exe will still be cracked, and then the pirates won't need to activate through steam anymore, only the paying customers. The lost revenue sucks, no doubt, but Steam is in no way a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    Achievments do not enahnce my gaming experience, I don't care to automatic downloads as I'm quite capable of ding this myself & using torrents has always given me good download speeds because I'm not a leech.

    I'm sorry to say that unless I can be convinced that Steam has changed it will not be getting anywhere near my rig, I installed it when it was first used for FM activation & I removed it after 3 days because it was an intrusive, data mining annoyance that I had no trust or confidence in.
    Steam uses hardly any resources to run. And calling your computer a "rig" suggests that your computer can certainly run this game anyway without any difficulties..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmi88 View Post
    I look forward to seeing all those who said goodbye back here within a month of FMs release, Steam is perfect for me, always has been and always will be
    same for me mate

    the myths regarding steam are so far fetched

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmi88 View Post
    I look forward to seeing all those who said goodbye back here within a month of FMs release, Steam is perfect for me, always has been and always will be
    The majority of people that are saying bye, is not ao much to with steam its do with that to play the game WE HAVE TO install steam and it can't be un-installed

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    The majority of people that are saying bye, is not ao much to with steam its do with that to play the game WE HAVE TO install steam and it can't be un-installed
    it can be un-installed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    I want a hard-copy of the game, ALWAYS, I don't use digital downloads I buy the disc...

    and then I'm going to be FORCED to install a piece of software that is invasive, intrusive, using resources unnecessarily, that I'm never going to use for anything else, its effin scandalous! I'm proper not happy!
    I always buy the copy of the game too, but I load it up through Steam. I've never had any problems with Steam and I've always had the keep me signed in thing as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar2010 View Post
    Although I understand the reasons from a developer POV I personally think its a huge mistake from a consumer POV and will create a lot of unhappy customers.

    Personally I have Steam installed with a few games played through it including FM10 & 11 but I was leaning towards not using Steam for FM12.

    Twice this last year I have been left unable to play FM11 due to loss of internet connection - I usually play in "online" mode and although Steam has an "offline" mode the way it works seems to have changed. You used to be able just to select offline mode when an internet connection wasn't available but now you have to log in online to set the offline mode which is impossible when your connection is being worked on by BT leaving you unable to play any Steam registered games.

    The only workaround would leave me having to put Steam in offline mode permanently just in case I don't have a connection when I get home on a night.
    Keep yourself signed in(ticked). So when you turn your computer/laptop on it'll log you in. If on some days you don't have an internet connection it'll ask you to retry to connect or to start in offline mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by englandmanager View Post
    it can be un-installed
    And still play the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by englandmanager View Post
    it can be un-installed
    it can be uninstalled but not if you want to play the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by englandmanager View Post
    it can be un-installed
    Not if you want to continue playing FM it can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nottingham Forest View Post
    Half the time you won't even know Steam is there, really. I don't have a problem with Steam and it's good imo. I guess I'll do exactly the same as I did last year by installing it and then having to insert the activation code, like you did for FM10. My Steam account is always logged in so when I turn my laptop on and it's set up in automatically signs me in as I have the automatically sign me in thing ticked. If I don't have internet connection, it'll say Steam has failed to sign in or something. Retry or start in offline mode. If I know I don't have an internet connection then I'll click start in offline mode and I'm good to go.

    So, if you're able to get an internet connection for the day the game comes out you could install it and you should be fine.
    Thanks for the reply. I was just curious because I have the interent at home so I can register and that. But when I go to visit family I transfer my saved game onto my laptop and play on the train. Would have been a depressing if I couldn't do that anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigfacemonkeyman View Post
    And still play the game?
    oh sorry i thought you meant the game can't be unistalled once on steam

    my mistake

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    I'm afraid you're horribly naive if you believe activation through steam is a solution at all. It may well prevent illegal versions being available before the retail game this year though but within 48 hours of release anyone who wants it illegally would have it. I'm not trying to provoke a reaction here, this is merely the way it is. Anyone whos into gaming and goes through websites talking about them will see the links and explanations littered around websites. Steam has become one of the easiest platforms to break through games on, unfortunately all this will serve to do is irritate more people than it helps.

    To actually stand a chance of thwarting piracy you'll need something new, steam is at best a 2 day delay, DRM protection usually ends up with keygens and no-cd .exe's. The current technology is very much outdated.

    Whilst not entirely efficient it would stump most users if you had a little bit of code that connected to something online with SI to check its genuine - if it fails this check then corrupt the save files. Not many games use this at all never mind to corrupt a save, but just a ping of certain data every 10 hours or so of play (of course those offline would still be able to get around it unless they reconnected) but it would be far less intrusive and would actually cause most piraters to give up. It could even be at random intervals, there would be nothing more frustrating to someone pirating the game if after they just get promoted or something their game pings the server, is found to be a false copy and they lose their save games as well as the FM.exe going down.

    Still I'll do my part and when I see FM torrents linked around I will provide them to Sega/SI to deal with, I genuinely expect to see it available illegally before legally again though.

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    Complete waste of time. I don't understand this "making it harder to pirate argument". All games eventually get cracked, and for the "consumer" they always end up in the same place. It makes it no more difficult for people who already know how to pirate it, does it make it any more difficult for the people that crack it? I doubt it. Counter Strike had this format and was cracked was it not?

    If you want less people to steal the game, the only thing you genuinely have control over is not releasing versions like that disgraceful "offside" version. You all know what I'm talking about. So people don't feel ripped off when the buy it.

    anyway, good luck to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by englandmanager View Post
    stop talking rubbish, mine is set to offline mode and has not needed to be reconnected once and i turn my computer off every night!
    Maybe because you are connected to internet, smartass.

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    You don't fix an illegal act by one of your own... Microsoft were told by the European courts that forcing Windows users to install IE was illegal... isn't forcing us to install Steam to play FM the same thing? I think it is, I wonder if the Euro courts are busy?

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    it'll be interesting to see the sales and Pirate downloads for FM12 compared to FM11.would you change back to the old ways if it had had a detrimental affect on sales or would you see how it went over a few games?

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    Steam is amazing, until i'm forced to use it and have it sit in offline mode eating up my battery

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    Yeh this isn't going to stop the game being pirated.

    And there's no way a quarter of the people that pirate it will buy it - that's fantasy, in my limited experience.


    Every piece of software on the planet is pirated. All we can do is do our part to prevent the piracy. And if Sega and SI think Steam will help, them I'm on board.

    After all I think that if even 1% - not 25% as mentioned in the opening post - of people that are currently pirating bought the game it will significantly increase the sales.

    This in turn allows Sega and SI to do more in terms of developing the game. Plus put another storey on the CEOs house.

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    Keep yourself signed in(ticked). So when you turn your computer/laptop on it'll log you in. If on some days you don't have an internet connection it'll ask you to retry to connect or to start in offline mode.
    Sorry Nottingham for this after you trying to put my mind at ease. But leaving yourself signed in on anything to do with the internet wether it be your bank, facebook or email can lead to potential hacking and identity theft. I am dead set against ticking anything to leave me signed in or rememebr me options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    You don't fix an illegal act by one of your own... Microsoft were told by the European courts that forcing Windows users to install IE was illegal... isn't forcing us to install Steam to play FM the same thing? I think it is, I wonder if the Euro courts are busy?
    Because the hundreds of Steamworks games are illegal. Totally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I was just curious because I have the interent at home so I can register and that. But when I go to visit family I transfer my saved game onto my laptop and play on the train. Would have been a depressing if I couldn't do that anymore.
    There's a way round that, possibly. If you're at uni and don't have a connection, could you quickly use the library internet and upload it to Gamefront(I think) and then save in your games before. I also believe you can have the same Steam account on two laptops computers as well. Maybe someone can confirm this or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    You don't fix an illegal act by one of your own... Microsoft were told by the European courts that forcing Windows users to install IE was illegal... isn't forcing us to install Steam to play FM the same thing? I think it is, I wonder if the Euro courts are busy?
    Loads of games are Steam only, none of them have to be taken to court about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Manager08 View Post
    Steam uses hardly any resources to run. And calling your computer a "rig" suggests that your computer can certainly run this game anyway without any difficulties..
    I never said it was a rescource hog, I have a problem with being forced to purchase (even free stuff is a retail transaction) 3rd party products to play a game when that product shoudl work fine without them

    I will be looking into the latest reports on Steam to fully assess the concerns about this product but as yet it isn't being installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    The majority of people that are saying bye, is not ao much to with steam its do with that to play the game WE HAVE TO install steam and it can't be un-installed
    why would you uninstall it? It's tiny in size, and is just a little icon bottom right, even in offline mode,

    edit: plus steam have steam guard now, informs you when you have signed into steam on another computer
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    What about the people who buy the game and don't have the internet? I used to always buy back before i had the internet full time and i would be very annoyed if i bought it and couldnt play it and then couldnt return it because i "opened it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    Because the hundreds of Steamworks games are illegal. Totally!
    You don't get it, if you want to install Steam and play hundreds of games that's you problem, I don't see why I should be forced to install it just so that I can play the ONLY game that I play... hear me? I play ONE GAME, FM! No other! Why should I have to have Steam? I don't want it as I have zero need for it, none, nil, nada, nowt! Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    Sorry Nottingham for this after you trying to put my mind at ease. But leaving yourself signed in on anything to do with the internet wether it be your bank, facebook or email can lead to potential hacking and identity theft. I am dead set against ticking anything to leave me signed in or rememebr me options.
    How, if only you use your laptop then how is it a problem? If your family use the computer as well, I'm sure they won't nick your identity. I don't have anything else signed in either. I'm quite fussy about these sort of things too.

    Do you have a PS3 at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie_G_32201 View Post
    What about the people who buy the game and don't have the internet? I used to always buy back before i had the internet full time and i would be very annoyed if i bought it and couldnt play it and then couldnt return it because i "opened it"
    Get internet access the day of the release and set Steam to offline mode after you finish installing it. Simple as that.

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    This is a one-time only activation which requires you to sign up for a Steam account (which is free) and to install the Steam client and once it has been done the game can be played offline by turning on Steam's Offline mode. With those two simple steps done there are no more hoops to jump through or steps to take.
    I personally don't mind as i'm using Steam already, but having to run a 3rd party program that feels incredibly slow (probably due to slow synch with the login servers) and with an offline mode that is unreliable at best.. I feel this is a step back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    You don't get it, if you want to install Steam and play hundreds of games that's you problem, I don't see why I should be forced to install it just so that I can play the ONLY game that I play... hear me? I play ONE GAME, FM! No other! Why should I have to have Steam? I don't want it as I have zero need for it, none, nil, nada, nowt! Get it?
    No I don't get it because frankly, Steam isn't going to do anything to you or your computer. It's a great service no matter how many games you own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    Get internet access the day of the release and set Steam to offline mode after you finish installing it. Simple as that.
    It will not work for people who have no access to the net.

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    A quick tip on battling piracy: Price your game fairly!

    At the moment at Steam it is:
    €30 for Americans
    €35 for Britons
    €50 for the rest of Europe

    and I won't even mention the Russians, because it will cause a riot.
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    Can someone frome Sega/Si please explain how this doesn't annoy someone who does not already use Steam? Steam can have its own issues which can be intensely frustrating.

    Do they honestly believe the games that require Steam are not cracked pretty immediately?

    I don't see the point in this at all. The opening line is about "not punishing people who buy the game", yet for those who don't use Steam or don't want to (I'm not in this group, although it's not my favourite application by any means), this is exactly what it does.

    Combat piracy? Not one bit. Annoy a section of the userbase? Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Manager08 View Post
    You don't need to be online to go into offline mode if you had your password saved before going offline.
    I do and it used to work but something has changed recently and now Steam closes if it can't find a connection. It doesn't give me an option to use "offline" mode.

    I presumed it was a feature but if you can suggest something that might be wrong I would be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie_G_32201 View Post
    It will not work for people who have no access to the net.
    An internet cafe, university, friend's house? Thousands of possibilities unless you live in a rural community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    Because the hundreds of Steamworks games are illegal. Totally!
    The difference is the user as elected to installed the 3rd party software, in this instance we are being forced to install the software which is where SEGA may have stepped into leagally uncertain waters, not my area of expertise but that is waht the fella was trying to point out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    No I don't get it because frankly, Steam isn't going to do anything to you or your computer. It's a great service no matter how many games you own.
    Still not getting it are you, it's not about how good or bad Steam is it's about being FORCED to install another companies software to play FM, like Lazaru the only PC game that I play is FM so being able to buy & install thousands of games via Steam is of absolutley no importance to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nottingham Forest View Post
    How, if only you use your laptop then how is it a problem? If your family use the computer as well, I'm sure they won't nick your identity. I don't have anything else signed in either. I'm quite fussy about these sort of things too.

    Do you have a PS3 at all?
    Only a pc and only this game

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    I use Steam for some games, but one thing I don't like is when something happens to the Steam servers, it makes the game inaccessible, and by that time, you can't switch to offline mode. I spent a week not being able to play FM10 at one point, and decided I wouldn't use it to install my FM games with again. Uninstalled, and reinstalled with disc only. Obviously this won't be possible now.

    Sure, you can always switch to offline mode in the first place, but that makes the rest of Steam pointless, including the community and achievements. And as someone previously mentioned, it's not a piracy prevention measure. Guessing it's more of a monkey-making partnership between Steam and SEGA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    No I don't get it because frankly, Steam isn't going to do anything to you or your computer. It's a great service no matter how many games you own.
    So a data-mine that uses system resources unnecessarily and (no doubt) secretly records all sorts of my PC/Gaming/Browsing habits and sends it back to Steam/Sega (just like the info on the blog threads is being sent back to Sega). Do you know everything that your computer is doing? I try to, and I can tell you for nothing that I do not install Steam like software for any purpose, none! I value my personal privacy and security too much, thanks though but I'll pass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    No I don't get it because frankly, Steam isn't going to do anything to you or your computer. It's a great service no matter how many games you own.
    It's a great service when it works. Steam is by no means a fully stable platform for some people.

    Steam's offline mode is..well poor at best.

    The bottom line is - asking a user to install a third party program to play a game that they've bought is poor. All it does is annoy the user and it does absolutely nothing against piracy. The anti-piracy rhetoric is just that - there would be no difference if the game were just put on a DVD without any copy protection with regards to it being cracked by pirates and published on torrent sites.

    A bit of honesty would be good.

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    I wonder how much Steam are paying you for this grubby little deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune297 View Post
    An internet cafe, university, friend's house? Thousands of possibilities unless you live in a rural community.
    It's not about me, its about the people who are like i used to be. No access to the internet anywhere yet still like to play the game. I disagree with the decision for these reasons and it should be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    I never said it was a rescource hog, I have a problem with being forced to purchase (even free stuff is a retail transaction) 3rd party products to play a game when that product shoudl work fine without them

    I will be looking into the latest reports on Steam to fully assess the concerns about this product but as yet it isn't being installed.
    I used to be just like you, then I had to use Steam for another title I wanted, resented it like hell but the benefits far outweigh any negatives and I realise now that my paranoid objection was just me feeling they were out to make me do something I didn't want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welsh Lad View Post
    Only a pc and only this game
    Unless someone finds out your password....

    Also, Carmi said they have a Steam guard thing now. So if someone was to sign into your account, then you would be notified.

    For all those complaining about past experiences, is it not worth attempting it for one version? Yes, if you can't play it and then can't return it, it will be annoying. SI/SEGA are just trying to what they think is best and if this works then it could stop the piracy of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie MUFC View Post
    Guessing it's more of a monkey-making partnership between Steam and SEGA.
    I fully support this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    So a data-mine that uses system resources unnecessarily and (no doubt) secretly records all sorts of my PC/Gaming/Browsing habits and sends it back to Steam/Sega (just like the info on the blog threads is being sent back to Sega). Do you know everything that your computer is doing? I try to, and I can tell you for nothing that I do not install Steam like software for any purpose, none! I value my personal privacy and security too much, thanks though but I'll pass...
    It uses at most 200k of resources. What do you have, a 5 year old computer with a gig of ram or something? Steam does not secretly record information. If you want something that does do that try EA's origin, it's right in the TOS. Steam asks you if you want it to take certain information like your computer specs and what not so you can contribute to things like these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    The difference is the user as elected to installed the 3rd party software, in this instance we are being forced to install the software which is where SEGA may have stepped into leagally uncertain waters, not my area of expertise but that is waht the fella was trying to point out.


    Still not getting it are you, it's not about how good or bad Steam is it's about being FORCED to install another companies software to play FM, like Lazaru the only PC game that I play is FM so being able to buy & install thousands of games via Steam is of absolutley no importance to me.
    Nothing illegal about it provided you're told in advance of the Steam requirement.

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    What about digital downloads (non-steam)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    The difference is the user as elected to installed the 3rd party software, in this instance we are being forced to install the software which is where SEGA may have stepped into leagally uncertain waters, not my area of expertise but that is waht the fella was trying to point out
    I dont think there are any possible legal implications, they are not forcing you to now switch to steam for any of their products you currently own, they have made it perfectly clear if you want to play their new game you need to activate it through a free third party, if you dont want to use steam you dont buy their product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriss View Post
    I used to be just like you, then I had to use Steam for another title I wanted, resented it like hell but the benefits far outweigh any negatives and I realise now that my paranoid objection was just me feeling they were out to make me do something I didn't want to
    It's the only thing me & Ollie have in common.

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    Also, Steam security is not the greatest.

    The biggest problem I have with STEAM is their abysmal customer support facilities. No phone, arbritary solutions (one size fits all) and, god forbid your account gets hacked, it can be pretty impossible to get it back - so all the money people have spent on games in their library has pretty much gone to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milnerpoint View Post
    I dont think there are any possible legal implications, they are not forcing you to now switch to steam for any of their products you currently own, they have made it perfectly clear if you want to play their new game you need to activate it through a free third party, if you dont want to use steam you dont buy their product.
    Exactly! And I won't

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    By preventing people who do not wish to install steam from activating a genuine copy you are promoting piracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigfacemonkeyman View Post
    I don't want this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    I don't want nor need Steam...

    not good Sega, not good at all
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaru5 View Post
    I want a hard-copy of the game, ALWAYS, I don't use digital downloads I buy the disc...

    and then I'm going to be FORCED to install a piece of software that is invasive, intrusive, using resources unnecessarily, that I'm never going to use for anything else, its effin scandalous! I'm proper not happy!
    Quote Originally Posted by Barside View Post
    Achievments do not enhance my gaming experience, I don't care to automatic downloads as I'm quite capable of doing this myself & using torrents has always given me good download speeds because I'm not a leech.

    I'm sorry to say that unless I can be convinced that Steam has changed it will not be getting anywhere near my rig, I installed it when it was first used for FM activation & I removed it after 3 days because it was an intrusive, data mining annoyance that I had no trust or confidence in.
    My feelings are pretty much the same with those above. I don't like the idea of being made to use a programme that I will have absolutely no use for at all.

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