Just a question...
If my laptop breaks down, will I be able to deactivate it somewhere else(since my laptop cannot be on) so that I can play on another 1 machine?
Just a question...
If my laptop breaks down, will I be able to deactivate it somewhere else(since my laptop cannot be on) so that I can play on another 1 machine?
Last edited by vasilli07; 23-09-2011 at 05:56.
I have not seen this earlier in the thread but my big worrie its not using steam regulary, its the release day.
Remember 14 November 2008? It is some reason why that day its the record of online for this community. It was a Huge problem with the codes to FM2009.
Please, have some backup for that problem. You know, fans of this beautiful game wants to have it quick as possible.
www.fmsweden.se - for fans, by fans
Does anyone want to go back to activation servers constantly crashing and having to call a phone number to play the game 3 days after you bought it? No? Then I think we should be happy. Besides Steam has some amazing game sales, I purchased FM 2011 a long time ago there for $9.99
You cannot stop the pirates - so punish them, that is the answer. What is really really sad is that the FM fanbase is so very loyal they would rather buy the official game - not a pirated copy, almost to a man. The Snide copy owners only get it that way because it is free. If FM went on sale for £10 they wouldnt buy it they would only get a giveaway snide copy (if they could), or otherwise go without.
By the way by "toy" comment is in no way meant as a slight to the game or any players, but computer "games" even if in a simulation format are toys, they just are. Long live the toy though.
I think in this case of DRM as a chastity belt to thwart the pirates. Did chastitiy belts really do much for the women forced to wear them? ....quite. Sorry I couldnt think of a car analogy but I kind of like this one ! :-)
When valve put out a linux client, I will purchase FM2012, although even then I dont really want steam near my PC(s)
Until then this will be the first copy, I have not bought :/
And yeah I know I can run steam via wine, but its clunky at best.
I dont like steam either, just to add to the people who are dissatisfied with the decision. I will admit though my only real experience with it was during the HL2 launch and it was a nightmare.
I just want to point out one final thing before leaving this thread:
If you make something great, it will sell. A fantastic product will always sell, regardless of piracy, thieves or parasites. All the hours put into preventing piracy could have been used for even more fine-tuning and polish of the game, which would ultimately increase sales.
That is the simple truth.
I agree that if you make something great it will sell - which is why, even though I sympathise with some of the objections to Steam, I don't think the sales of FM are going to fall apart.
Just to add a little fuel to the fire I have to share this as I found it laughable. I apparently have an account from 09 install but had completely forgotten. Was merrily going through the create an account route when it identified that my email address was already registered. Went through the "forgotten password" route only to be provided a code (OK fair enough) and the requirement to supply a "secret answer" that they asked for in French (and not only that french that doesn't translate!) Either I am missing something or there could be problems ahead. Thankfully I took a punt on some passwords I might have used and logged in. I hope others fair better if they can't remember their details!
Im pretty sure i am doing something wrong/stupid but none-the-less i will ask i hope for some help! In preparation for FM2012 i decided lastnight to try and play FM2011 on my laptop but with steam offline. I logged into stem chose to change to offline and was told "offline mode not available as my steam account details are not registered on this computer". Can anyone help? I have used the same laptop for years and am 99.9% sure this was the laptop/computer used when steam account was originally created.
If you go to Settings on the first tab there is a tick box that says "Don't save account credentials on this computer". If it is ticked, then according to the explanation underneath it will disable offline mode.
What if you used an old computer to setup Steam? I've got a new Mac now, but I'm getting that same message Lamby is getting. Is there a way to Reset the computer Steam is associated to?
you should be able to move your steam account to any computer, as long as you can go online on the new computer to associate your account, i recently moved mines over to my new laptop without any problems.
RowRow78 - Have you had an email with a verification code? If not, when you try to login there are two options if I recall correctly. One of them will allow you to request a verification code, which will be sent to your email. The option lets you type the code in.
Last edited by playmaker; 23-09-2011 at 09:42. Reason: Added link
Ive always had this problem where if my interent was playing up and i tried to start up FM it wouldnt let me play when i selected "start in offline mode" i would have to sort out the interent problem first, then play FM...really hope someone can offer more than "whacking it with a stick" lol
Looking at the web, many people seem to have problems with switching Steam to offline, could I be in the same boat? Any other suggestions? Appreciate your help with this.
Last edited by RowRow78; 23-09-2011 at 09:53.
Thanks Eugene, id did find that page just before you posted it up so will try that when i get home from work later tonight. No doubt ill be back here though...
So after 35 pages we have our first solid piece of advice before doing anything update your Steam client.
But let me rephrase:
Make the game fantastic. The better it is, the less problems with piracy you will have...because the better it is; the more people will buy it. Plenty of examples of other software developers out there that are so good that their piracy levels are irrelevant, due to their software being so good that people happily pay for it. Panic's 'Coda' is a good example.
A majority of those who use pirated software aren't doing it because of political reasons (even though they exist), but rather economical ones. Most people who use pirated software would use the legal versions of the game if it was available for £5. Which means there is a price point where people would switch from illegal software to legal software, but that price point increases alongside the quality of the software (up to a limit of course, Adobe Photoshop will never have their majority of users as legal ones, even though the software is good enough for its price).
Basically - the better the software, the more you can increase the cost without people turning to illegal versions of the application.
If Football Manager had 50% less bugs at release day, cost 20% less and was widely available without having the need for pointless 3rd party software, they would make a bigger profit than the one they make by going Steam-only. This whole DRM-route is just attacking the problem from the wrong direction, which is common amongst developers and publishers.
It really is time for an SI directive (maybe a blog) that details how Steam can be used as a positive platform and how poor $ods like me who only use Steam to download the demo once per year can access & use the game they will have bought honestly and with good intention. The odd tw@t poster replying "See ya!" to those who feel like quitting and the odd Mod attempt to talk up Steam (although a t least 2 mods are dismayed that it is to be used with this titile, are really not good enough.
There is a statisitic that it costs 20% of the cost of recuiting new Customers to support & keep the Customers you already had. But statistics can prove anything is right even when it is wrong - as in the case of the "We're using Steam this year" decision meeting!.
If you havent used steam for years whats the harm in making a new account? If you havent used it years it leads me to think you dont really care about any games you had on that account so where is the problem? It takes minutes to set up both a new hotmail and steam account. Tiger you havent even tried and your complaining about it??!!
The FAQ from SI will come Kriss has already said its in the works.
In case you misunderstood, I believe that if you use the same email account you cannot create a 2nd Steam account? So what, I now have to open another email account to access Steam to access FM? I'd rather spend that time playing FM11, frankly.
This issue is turning into a trail of small issues that build up to one big one - namely, to play FM12 I will have to do x, y and z, and even then there may be issues. Just maybe I am believing the hype of negative axe grinders here but for me FM12 is already tainted. Balance that with how much I love FM11 right now and I may just have found a way to save myself £30-£40 per year from now on, HOWEVER you are right, I'll try Steam tonight - I havent given up just yet. Wish me luck.
Kinda seems like your over reacting without knowing whats going to happen.Oh FFS what next? Seriously I am considering not buying FM12 now.
Your right tho you cannot have two steam accounts on one email address, but really how long does it take to set up a hotmail, two mintues at most? You wont even process a day after a few seasons in FM11, infact you could them both at the same time!! Unless your steam client is slowing your computer down too much.........
To play FM12 you need to do three simple things;
Log in or sign up to steam
I decided I wasn't going to not play FM just because I have a poor opinion of Steam, tried it and liked it.
I just think people with actual issues are getting swamped with unnecessary arguing, ranting etc (last part not particularly aimed at you).
I didn't know my password either by the way, took me under 30 seconds to get into my account after I clicked can't remember password or whatever. So there are issues for some people, but for what I imagine is the vast majority, Steam seems to be fairly user friendly.
Last edited by eddymunster; 23-09-2011 at 12:06.
Just another question, I can actually install fm on both my laptop and desktop com, right? But I can only play it on 1 machine at a time. Is my understanding, right?
tigerhgrrrrrr - look at it this way, while there is a possibility that Steam maybe problematic to set up for 10 minutes/an hour/a day, FM2012 will keep you entertained for a year. I have no feelings towards Steam one way or another - it is a means to an end - but the end result seems to far outweigh any possible problems at the start, if you even experience them.
It would be a shame to end up wondering if you have missed out on something.
Buy the disc version. If Steam doesn't work. Bring it back.
I think the general disliking about this idea is that the users who buy this game should not have to jump through hoops just to get this game working. Paying the price for the game should be enough just to go home, install it and play it.........this has been a tried and tested method on every console. Xbox or PS3 don't ask customers to go online to activate their games, its simple plug and play and it works. Lets face facts, people can state the benefits and the negatives about steam but it should not be forced upon someone, the people i feel sorry for are the guys with no internet connection as it seems that SI have basically ignored them. People can talk about "oh how do people in this day and age not have internet connections" but there is such problems of broadband not being available in certain areas of a country.
And lets say if there are a number of FM gamers who do not have the Internet and they buy this game: first they have to find someone with an Internet connection which means travelling to somewhere to get one, then create a steam account and an email address, then install the game and hope that nothing goes wrong with Steam....seems like alot of bother and we will not forget about the users who won't even see this thread because they don't have an Internet connection.........but who cares about them :-(
People who registered with SI have been notified by post.
The PC and Mac games are too easily hacked. It used to be great to buy PC games off the shelf and have them work. With the internet piracy can become global in seconds. Jumping through hoops with Steam is a necessary evil in delaying the piracy so that SI can benefit from people not canceling pre-orders the very day that pirate copies appear online. Yes they want to make money. I've said this before and according to SI, if 1/4 the people who pirate bought it would double sales. That means 1,000,000 people buy it there are 4,000,000 people playing pirated copies. If someone was blatantly ripping off your software wouldn't you want it shut down or delayed? Look at the Apple Stores in China, selling off rip-off Apple gear, one reporter reported it and all of a sudden a whole rake of them were shut down.
It's unfortunate that you need an internet connection. And SI didn't just "ignore" them, but they felt they had no other option and they said they didn't take the decision lightly.
At the end of the day, if this increases sales for FM12 and they make more profit, they'll have more resources to pour into the next one.
We don't know what will happen next year. Perhaps some bright spark will invent a impenetrable system for software that can't be hacked. Perhaps SI will work on developing their own Client for installing the game? Perhaps they will see a drop in sales and revert back to not using Steam. Perhaps it will be an overall success and they'll implement Steam as a standard?
However, for now, people without internet connections are in a rut. But make no mistake. This has benefited people where the game was not available on Steam last year, but is this year. Some people in the Ukraine have reported that it can take WEEKS to get a postal service delivering the game. And they were delighted they could buy it through Steam.
6 of 1 half a dozen of the other if you ask me.
Easy as 1, 2 , 3, eh?
By loversleaper at 2011-09-23
Maybe I am missing something, a few seconds ago I was checking for new games - but since I am not a hard core gamer it's hard to find something really appealing, FM is pretty much the only game I play on the PC - I wanted to go offline because I am now going somewhere where I won't have internet connection. Luckily (in a weird way) it threw this up so that I know there's a problem before I left because I have experienced other times where I get to the location (with no internet connection) and when I try to load up FM it either requests my password (which I can't do due to no internet connection) or it can refuse to load up FM due to no internet connection.
I am really wondering if this force move to Steam is really going to be worth it. I cannot imagine that I am the only one experiencing this...
2: Verify that all game files are completely updated - you can see the update status for a game under the Library section (when the game shows as 100% - Ready it is ready to be played in Offline Mode) doesn't steam do this automatically when you are online?
3: Launch the game you would like to play offline to verify that there are no further updates to download - shut down the game and return to Steam once you have confirmed that the game can be played I wasn't going to play the game now, just go offline because in a half hour I am going somewhere where there is no internet connection for the weekend
4: Go to Steam > Settings to ensure the Don't save account credentials on this computer option is not selected just checked, the box is not ticked
5: From the main Steam window, go to the Steam menu and select Go Offline that is what I did...?
6: Click Restart in Offline Mode to restart Steam in Offline Mode when you selct Go Offline this always pops up
Seems like you skipped a step or two or half did them.
You dont know we have done it wrong until people actually try that out. The problem may be something different.
...hmmm you have confirmed my fears of what is going to happen when i get home tonight!
Last edited by LambyGHS; 23-09-2011 at 15:35.
Nobody said you weren't capable?
Steam have a support site. I can't really help you on that other than pointing you towards the steps for going to offline mode.
All I know is I never had an issue with going into offline mode. And if I ever did it was so long ago that I have forgotten by now.
It's not my fault you can't get it to work. Those instructions work for most of the people the run steam. If they didn't they wouldn't be on their website.
As I say, you seem to have a specific issue so I recommend you contact Steam support...
I can barely see what's going on in those screen shots. All I know there's 3 screenshots regarding the steps and 6 steps?
Loversleaper - I will see if i can sort the problem out when i get home tonight, however if you find a solution PLEASE make sure you post it up!!! :-)
There are 4 screen shots. The one that is missing is "make sure that the game is 100% updated". Well, FM11 has been at 100% since early November 2010 - if you don't believe me I can easily show you a screenshot of that...
The other step missing is "launch the game" - which I can't.
I seriously don't think you actually know what you are talking about. But thanks for the advice about contacting Steam Support, have you tried it? There went me weekend of gamming...
Sorry for being helpful? Glad you could be so rude to me.
I do know what I am talking about because I can get it to work 100% of the time 100% of the time all the time.
Anytime I can't set a set of instructions to work - I go through each step meticulously and eventually find out I have done one of those incorrectly, or it can be done a different way that's not documented.
Again, Steam support should be able to help.
Unfortunate you only discovered this a few hours before you had to leave to an non-internet location.
You know for next time to be more prepared so.
One of the steps you pointed out was to launch the game - well I can't now can I?
The other missing step was that the game needs to be 100% updated - it has been for almost a whole year now...
I am a little annoyed that you keep suggesting that I am not doing things correctly...
Let's put this down to a miscommunication on both parts and let it go.
I have no doubt you followed the instructions. I was just replying to your post where it appeared to me that you skimmed a step or 2. You said you didn't so fair enough.
Have to add that offline mode is working fine for me although I have only just installed Steam so I'm guessing there were no previous settings for the update to mess about with.
My attitude to try and help you is disgraceful?
My second comment in regards to search engines was a play on how people generally in this thread are afraid of running 3rd Party apps, like Steam, on their computers. But they openly run Internet Browsers and Search Engines which record their every move, far more "intrusive" than Steam is.
It had nothing to do with your issue.
Sorry you didn't see the funny side?
I'll keep my sense of humour for less serious issues in the future.
Last edited by Eugene Tyson; 23-09-2011 at 16:22.
I absolutely never once questioned your reading skills?
I questioned the way in which you followed the instructions, which in the way you posted how you applied the steps it seemed to me you didn't fully follow them.
I already said I accept you followed them fully and there is another issue at play and to contact Steam support.
And there was another issue at play. There is a bug in the latest update of Steam.
Oh good grief give it a rest, is it really too much for you two to stop battling throughout the thread?
Last edited by themadsheep2001; 23-09-2011 at 16:32.
Yes I quite agree, infractions impending if you both don't cut it out.
for what its worth my offline steam is working as well, but then its been set that way for months, maybe there is an issue switching between them at the moment for some people, like i say tho steam should release an update soon.
sorry for posting more but looking more into the steam issue it appears to be an account issue and will only effect some people, obviously not much help to those having a problem but rest assured its an issue they are aware of and are working on.
now where did i leave my cheque from Valve??...........
Just tried everything as guided. Asks me which city I lie in (in French FFFFFFFFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Then doesnt accept my answer.
Really SI, are you sure this Steam activation thing is a good idea because I am near to saying bye bye right now. Taking ten to calm down now.
Breath Tiger!!! Its an issue with the latest update they released, you are just unlucky, dont lose faith just yet
It would have been the end of the topic had you asked yourself the same question before posting, thus giving youself the chance to work out why it would be unnecessary to then ask me.
Steam are so incompetent they ask you security questions in what is not your preferred language (and that question contained faulty characters) then tell you you entered less than 3 characters (when you enter 10). SI your credibility is in the hands of muppets!
Last edited by milnerpoint; 23-09-2011 at 18:17.
Ooh there's a steam sale. Thanks whoever posted that screenie.
Now - Alpha Protocol for £1.50 or Rome Total War Complete Edition for £5?