Football Manager Live

[Abz Khan]

I also had some crazy players Some bug that released youths who all 20s Just hope it should come back in the near future I don't think it costs that much to run a couple of servers.

[jp_footy]

I bet if SI opened a gameworld with capacity for 2000 managers for 66p per day it would fill.

[gechal]

It had a lot of criticism , but the one thing that can't be disputed is that they got the environment spot on, the chat rooms and the tools for player v player interaction was great in building up communities.

Was great just logging on to see what was going on in the little fml universe, even if you didn't play any matches.

[NickMegarity]

i still chat to a few of the people i met on FML , the chat is realistically one of the things missing with fm12 , glad to of experienced it but happy to have been able to reclaimed my life after it ended :P
play ps3 with a few former mods a few times a week .

[Ackter]

Arca that's it. What was the DMC called? He was awesome, he was like a young Pirlo.

I think I had about £30 million due to using youths and investing like you did. I was able to start making more once I got my JP up though was well worth the 4 months investment learning.

I still try doing same in FM now but it's just not the same as the AI don't quite develop players like we did.

No doubt about it we would have dominated the GW for years. People might have thought that would be unfair but we sacrifised a lot of seasons to build a team capable of doing well for years. I mean we played all youths against worldclass sides who were already developed. Not many choose the route we did and tried to build for the future. Your side was just starting to mature if I remember right as you had a lot of people hitting 22 and due to the training and amount of games they had, had developed awesome.

I can't remember the DM. I'll have to fire my laptop up and see if I can find the pictures of some of them.

Given three more seasons I reckon the both of us would have been constantly in the top five - there were a few other teams in our GW that were just insane.

[Ackter]

I've found them

[gechal]

i still chat to a few of the people i met on FML , the chat is realistically one of the things missing with fm12 , glad to of experienced it but happy to have been able to reclaimed my life after it ended :P
play ps3 with a few former mods a few times a week .

This was the big problem - if you wanted to even just be able to stay afloat in the game,as well as be a good player and turn up for your league matches, the amount of hours you had to put in was astronomical.

Its the little things I miss - the three different beeps you got when you started it up, all spaced around 2 seconds apart, telling you you had mail, there was news, and there was discussion mail too.

Used to go - Beep (2seconds) Beep (2seconds) bbbb beep. It used to set the budgie off every time, and drive the missus crazy, although after a while she got to know the sounds, and if I was in another room and the big Der Der Der Der !! noise came on, she would shout me and tell me someone is challenging me to a game.

We have a young baby now so going on FML would be near on impossible now.

[Ackter]

I had the echo-y message alert as my text message sound for ages.

[gechal]

I had the echo-y message alert as my text message sound for ages.

Thats made me laugh!

Quality

[Lawlore]

SI tried everything they conceivably could and it was determined in the end that the game's design just didn't work in an MMO environment - it very, very nearly did imo, but ultimately it fell short leaving only a handful of hardcore (and successful - if they weren't successful they'd just keep jumping worlds until they were) players.

I'm not sure those parentheses are entirely fair- the GWs I was in had plenty of us low/mid-ranking managers who weren't really very good, but who stayed with the GW because of the community. I'm not sure my team ever rose above 150th. Yes, there were a lot of GW hoppers, no doubt about it, but there were plenty who never did anything significant, at least in the GWs I played, and stayed put.

[Tanel]

Don't think it was the situation of not having similar starting position. It was the situation of not being able to make being lower level exciting.

In FM you would've had lot of fun finishing 6th in Conference. In FML finishing same position in 4th Div was a "meh?" achievement really.

And in the end, for completely rookie players the tricks they needed to learn were not easy to obtain unless they created some bond with some experienced manager who taught them that (which required certain activity). The step from being successful in FM to being successful in FML is really hard to make and when someone didn't start off well, they were in a right hole. It required whole new level of understanding players, how the ME in itself works and most importantly team management is times more challenging than it is in FM if you'd start off without knowing anything or having anyone to help you.

But if someone from the FML bunch becomes rich, they better pay SI to get this thing running again. :P

[bon3z4tw]

Don't think it was the situation of not having similar starting position. It was the situation of not being able to make being lower level exciting.

In FM you would've had lot of fun finishing 6th in Conference. In FML finishing same position in 4th Div was a "meh?" achievement really.

And in the end, for completely rookie players the tricks they needed to learn were not easy to obtain unless they created some bond with some experienced manager who taught them that (which required certain activity). The step from being successful in FM to being successful in FML is really hard to make and when someone didn't start off well, they were in a right hole. It required whole new level of understanding players, how the ME in itself works and most importantly team management is times more challenging than it is in FM if you'd start off without knowing anything or having anyone to help you.

But if someone from the FML bunch becomes rich, they better pay SI to get this thing running again. :P

this would never happen...si would never sale game or publish fml for other company....The ppl just don't give so much attention on live game cause fml worth 50$ per game....!!once they release it they have earned the money....if they release again fml they won't have so much profit and fml need ppl 24/24 and it doesn't worth it for 5$ per month....i personaly believe that si should split the ppl working on fml and fm or a new company should help them (that's why they cooperate with korean company about fmo)..!

[shirajzl]

FML is in a way similar to loads of different browser-based football management games on the Internet. Those who started early and/or those who put in a lot of hours have a huge advantage over others after a while. When a newbie joins, he gets easily discouraged when he sees what it would take and how much time it would take to be competitive on a larger scale. That's the problem you can't really solve.

[Cleon]

FML is in a way similar to loads of different browser-based football management games on the Internet. Those who started early and/or those who put in a lot of hours have a huge advantage over others after a while. When a newbie joins, he gets easily discouraged when he sees what it would take and how much time it would take to be competitive on a larger scale. That's the problem you can't really solve.

Actually (as a late starter myself) it was a lot more easier to get good players and build a brilliant squad on the cheap in an older GW. The only disadvanatge was the skills but they didn't really make it any harder to get a decent squad cheap.

[Hegav]

Christ I miss the game. Just as I had gotten a ton of 4+ pots youths about to break into my first team the shutdown were announced. I was so gutted heh.

[Ackter]

Actually (as a late starter myself) it was a lot more easier to get good players and build a brilliant squad on the cheap in an older GW. The only disadvanatge was the skills but they didn't really make it any harder to get a decent squad cheap.

You had quite a lot of help, though

[bon3z4tw]

let's make a charity to own fml rights :P

[Sayengwar]

I must admit, I really really enjoyed FML when I actually played it but it was too easy for managers to abuse the system. Buying players for ridiculous amounts and keeping them on low wages added to the reluctance of people to sell some of their players meaning you're not always able to get who you want.

I'll admit, towards the end SI fixed a lot of the bugs and stuff but I think that the damage was already done by then.

[bon3z4tw]

I must admit, I really really enjoyed FML when I actually played it but it was too easy for managers to abuse the system. Buying players for ridiculous amounts and keeping them on low wages added to the reluctance of people to sell some of their players meaning you're not always able to get who you want.

I'll admit, towards the end SI fixed a lot of the bugs and stuff but I think that the damage was already done by then.

This is the true reason i think that many ppl left the game...many ppl had about 5 sub's etc...!!!but for me personally wasn't a trouble cause i was too good...someone who has cash of 5 sub's can't win someone who playing near 15 years....!

[Cleon]

You had quite a lot of help, though

When I started to go the youth route yeah but I had a great squad with players aged 24+ before that without help. As there was loads of good free or cheap players around due to the GW been established.

[bon3z4tw]

When I started to go the youth route yeah but I had a great squad with players aged 24+ before that without help. As there was loads of good free or cheap players around due to the GW been established.

the big database was too easy to make a good squad with less cash

[Abz Khan]

I had the echo-y message alert as my text message sound for ages.

That was such a great tone I miss it

[Abz Khan]

I think too many people got bored with loosing and left and SI couldn't afford that many servers with minimal people in each GW. Mabye if we create a couple of more servers for the hardcore fans? I know SI are making big profits so it won't cost them? I'm always hoping hahaha

[Clarinete]

I think too many people got bored with loosing and left and SI couldn't afford that many servers with minimal people in each GW. Mabye if we create a couple of more servers for the hardcore fans? I know SI are making big profits so it won't cost them? I'm always hoping hahaha

I think i play with you in some gameworld Abz, Miller maybe? I misse it a lot too..i play at a regular 1/2 hours a day base... I try it in FM12 but normally the interest lower i need to start new save...

[bon3z4tw]

fm without live sux \m/

[Steve4evasaints]

Would be awesome if they opened up one game world and give it another trial just to see how it went, and charge a subscription for it. Many here would jump at the chance.
Im just so gutted i only joined a few months before the end . Losing never bothered me, you have to start somewhere and that was the challenge, working your way up. Not winning straight away. Guess though some others didn't see it like that, although you have got to ask what did they honestly expect

[bon3z4tw]

Would be awesome if they opened up one game world and give it another trial just to see how it went, and charge a subscription for it. Many here would jump at the chance.
Im just so gutted i only joined a few months before the end . Losing never bothered me, you have to start somewhere and that was the challenge, working your way up. Not winning straight away. Guess though some others didn't see it like that, although you have got to ask what did they honestly expect

that was a big true....but i really think that si don't listen in any offers

[Matt ex SEGA]

As much as a few of us really enjoyed it, there are no plans to bring it back as it stands. Sorry - it's not as simple as just throwing up a server - sorting out hardware, maintenance, licensing costs etc just don't really make sense unless you can get to certain economies of scale.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

[Steve4evasaints]

None of us said it was straight forward, but if the demand is there surely its got to be considered? Obviously just by this thread alone wouldn't be enough to go on of course, but one gameworld would be cheaper than having the number FML did?

I think we are clutching at straws here guys :P

[Matt ex SEGA]

I think you're right!

[Aim_Less]

FML features should be Integrated with Normal FM it would make the game profit even more, lets face it the current multi-player component of FM is not changed in ages and its still very basic

[StoneColdA]

FML features should be Integrated with Normal FM it would make the game profit even more, lets face it the current multi-player component of FM is not changed in ages and its still very basic

I completely agree here. There has been zero development in that area for at least a couple of years, and to actually make FM work over the internet, you have to install Hamachi. That cant be right.

I could partly understand the lack of development when FML was in production, as SI/Sega would compete with themselves. But now that FML is dead and buried and never to be resurected, SI should dedicate the resources to at least making it possible to play a network game over the internet, at a speed that is acceptable. No lag or need for 3rd party programs should be a min. specification.

[Aim_Less]

I completely agree here. There has been zero development in that area for at least a couple of years, and to actually make FM work over the internet, you have to install Hamachi. That cant be right.

I could partly understand the lack of development when FML was in production, as SI/Sega would compete with themselves. But now that FML is dead and buried and never to be resurected, SI should dedicate the resources to at least making it possible to play a network game over the internet, at a speed that is acceptable. No lag or need for 3rd party programs should be a min. specification.

Xbox version of FM had a MP component that you could use your current squad and play against other people squads without need to create a network save . According to miles it used a microsoft technology , wonder why they don't put some effort to make this happen on the pc version
You don't even need servers this could be done using P2P technology , the only thing that SI has to keep running is a match making system and some kind of ranking or leaderboards etc

[Ackter]

That and the inclusion of proper match plans​.

[Bleb]

I cant understand why any hardcore FM'er wouldnt have enjoyed FML, it took genuine skill to play, was so fun tactically.

Personally I wouldn't pay a fee each month to play a game like this, when there are so many other online football managers on the net for free. I know that you can't compare, but still.

[Abz Khan]

As much as a few of us really enjoyed it, there are no plans to bring it back as it stands. Sorry - it's not as simple as just throwing up a server - sorting out hardware, maintenance, licensing costs etc just don't really make sense unless you can get to certain economies of scale.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

Aaaaah that's a shame

But regarding to other posts, I think some of the features such as Youth Academies and Managing the Stadiums and also the online features from FML should be given a go into FM. Especially the online features and the sense that your playing against other REAL managers would be great

[Ackter]

I'm not sure the stadium stuff would be well received in FM, unfortunately.

[Aim_Less]

yeah it would cause a riot in the forums . but the MP part of the game needs a revolution

[taylorsmen]

yeah it would cause a riot in the forums . but the MP part of the game needs a revolution

There was a thread in FMO about improving the network side of things, hope this will happen in FM13 as online play is in the dark ages compared to other online games.

[RichieVilla]

Anyone else sad enough to have kept screenshots of their teams? wish i had took more tbh, i had some other great variations, prob better than the ones i have screens for, but then again, i am pretty awesome haha

i cant decide which of mine was better :P

[Aim_Less]

There was a thread in FMO about improving the network side of things, hope this will happen in FM13 as online play is in the dark ages compared to other online games.

i got the felling it wont happen but :/ knowing how slow SI is on improving somethings

[taylorsmen]

i got the felling it wont happen but :/ knowing how slow SI is on improving somethings

I hope your feelings are wrong, would have been pointless posting that thread Ov made in FMO, lets keep our fingers and toes crossed it improves one day.

And a side note to SI (in fun of course) concentrate less on the background houses and beaches and bring the flipping tunnel back i for one want visual realism and not walls and sand.

[Abz Khan]

Do you have a link to FMO, I need to see it Also yeah, there needs to be more multiplayer and online in FM, that would be quality

[taylorsmen]

Do you have a link to FMO, I need to see it Also yeah, there needs to be more multiplayer and online in FM, that would be quality

The thread has gone now unfortunately, not sure why it was removed though, maybe SI had gathered enough information of peoples thoughts on how it could be improved.

[jp_footy]

Guys, did you know that Football Manager Online is 1 Gameworld only?

[Bootador]

Korean FM Online site (I think)

http://fm.paran.com/main.asp

[rich_barnes]

Ahhhh the memories One of my no1's and on a very small wage bill of 180k! not bad considering the next few are all spending about 500k on wages and had to be constantly online buying and selling to keep going. I was a tactical genius :P

[Abz Khan]

Aaaaah the old FAs.....

[Ackter]

Those aren't the old ones, they have the newer badges on them.

[Abz Khan]

Yeah, it was all about the World Famous XFA

[Ackter]

The original OFA is where it was at. The Overnight Football Association was themed each season.

First season was Crystal Maze theme so we had Ocean League, Futuristic Cup etc
Second season was Aztec God theme with Tepozticatl Premiership etc...

Shame we never actually got to play any matches because there wasn't enough entrants so we all had to rejoin the MFA again.

[Kriss]

Pffffft!! Monster FA was the place to be FML should never have come out of Beta it would still be going if it hadn't lol

[Ackter]

GWs 1-3 would still be going strong definitely. Not so sure about the others as they weren't as experimental or just plain mental.

[Lawlore]

FML should never have come out of Beta it would still be going if it hadn't lol

Some would suggest it never did

[Aim_Less]

the only reason i never tried FML is monthly payments i refuse to play games that require monthly fees

[Ackter]

It was actually well worth it.

[rich_barnes]

Yeah, it was all about the World Famous XFA

I was in the XFA in one of the old GWs but everyone left because I won it 9 seasons in a row :P

[Peeking Duck?]

As much as a few of us really enjoyed it, there are no plans to bring it back as it stands. Sorry - it's not as simple as just throwing up a server - sorting out hardware, maintenance, licensing costs etc just don't really make sense unless you can get to certain economies of scale.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

There were licensing costs for the regen only worlds?

[Andy H]

I completely agree here. There has been zero development in that area for at least a couple of years, and to actually make FM work over the internet, you have to install Hamachi. That cant be right.

I could partly understand the lack of development when FML was in production, as SI/Sega would compete with themselves. But now that FML is dead and buried and never to be resurected, SI should dedicate the resources to at least making it possible to play a network game over the internet, at a speed that is acceptable. No lag or need for 3rd party programs should be a min. specification.

You do not need to install Hamachi to play FM Online.

Here is the link to Ov's thread in FMO about how to improve FM Online.

http://community.sigames.com/showthr...M?daysprune=-1

[Bradley21]

FML will always be the best game ever created (in my humble opinion), pity it was ran on a shoestring budget

I would pay double the old subscription cost in a heartbeat if it ever came back.

[Abz Khan]

I also think the major downfall for FML was lack of advertising So many people that loved playing FM 2 players, didn't even know about FML

[Ackter]

Sega aren't exactly known for their successful marketing campaigns.

Even when they did finally push the boat out and advertise the hell out of Bayonetta, no-one bought it anyway meaning they probably won't push the boat out again.

Shame really, it's a great game.

[Lawlore]

Sega aren't exactly known for their successful marketing campaigns.

And I bet you still don't have a SEGA CD.

[StoneColdA]

You do not need to install Hamachi to play FM Online.

Here is the link to Ov's thread in FMO about how to improve FM Online.

http://community.sigames.com/showthr...M?daysprune=-1

Maybe I have a blurry vision but I fail to see what besides the opening post of that thread, tells us about their commitment to making the internet play better.

It really really sucks, they have acknowledged that in the past. But as they have chosen to link FM so close to Steam, why now have the opportunity to play a game vs friends via steam. Instead of having to fight with pretty advanced router setup.

[Aim_Less]

Maybe I have a blurry vision but I fail to see what besides the opening post of that thread, tells us about their commitment to making the internet play better.

It really really sucks, they have acknowledged that in the past. But as they have chosen to link FM so close to Steam, why now have the opportunity to play a game vs friends via steam. Instead of having to fight with pretty advanced router setup.

they had this on XBOX version of FM they should had make it to the PC version aswell

[Abz Khan]

Yeah mabye, better online against real people is what its all about

[Jakenuttie]

I'd love FM Live to comeback! It's probably the best game I've played tbh and prefer it over the normal FM.

Hopefully it may come back one day. Maybe start with one gameworld and instead of having a three/four month subscription fee make it 12 months so people will play the game in the long run and the serious people will join because it's a higher price for longer time. Then if it is going well do another gameworld. I'm sure there is at least enough ex-diehard football manager live fans who would play it again and if it makes money then worth doing.

Plus you can also still buy FM Live and I was going to this week but it's a good job I checked here and had my hopes dashed.

Bring back FM Live!

[Jakenuttie]

I'd love FM Live to comeback! It's probably the best game I've played tbh and prefer it over the normal FM.

Hopefully it may come back one day. Maybe start with one gameworld and instead of having a three/four month subscription fee make it 12 months so people will play the game in the long run and the serious people will join because it's a higher price for longer time. Then if it is going well do another gameworld. I'm sure there is at least enough ex-diehard football manager live fans who would play it again and if it makes money then worth doing.

Bring back FM Live!

[Gerara]

Bring back FML. I did not manage to find a substitute for it yet.

[Errol Grootjen]

Here are the first screenshots for UFL

http://uflive.com/images/stories/new...creenshots.png

[Jakenuttie]

Like Gerara I have not find something to replace it with!

Whats the deal with UFL? Will it be as good as FML?

[Ackter]

UFL is a game made by former-FML players who are trying to recreate the FML feel. Has been in the works since about a week after FML was announced that it was shutting down.

[Fernando Davis]

aww I miss FML am still not over it !!

At least I play FM Online to give me a little fix

[dogs]

i know its only a game but i made allot of online gaming friends playing FML. We run a network game on a Sunday with FM which is great fun but i miss the accessibility of FML. I could come home from shift log on for 10 mins and have a blether, i could be up late after everyone was in bed and chill out and log on and you would have people online , the fact you could mold your team you could sit and chat. The community sold it for me along with a game that i was and still am a fan of.

[dogs]

UFL is a game made by former-FML players who are trying to recreate the FML feel. Has been in the works since about a week after FML was announced that it was shutting down.

i would be up for this, i wonder if Si would ever release the ME if they knew it as going to a dedicated fm fan base

[Ackter]

No, SI would never release the match engine.

[T-Bag]

Been missing FML a fair bit recently... I'm playing a lot of FM iat the moment but it is just far too easy in comparison. I'm still rocking with my old FML tactics and philosophy! Plus i have nothing to rage about any more

[Gramm0]

I lid up seeing this thread! Have so many great memories from FML! Hope it comes back someday...

[mark77]

FML was the best game ever - never has a game caused so much emotion - I could be dancing round the room one match then wanting to fling my mouse around the room in annoyance the following game. The ability to just log on in seconds and have a quick match. Checking my mails every four weeks to see how successful my transfer bids were. Building the youth teams. The community. Oh, I really do miss it.

Threads like this are important - it helps let SI know that there is still a demand out there for it - and looking at it, quite a big one. True, there are other management sims out there, but SI still have that important ME which set the game apart.

Please one day bring this back....

[steven north]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...chessquad.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...fcplayers.png/

Good times

[mark77]

Just seen this link which is interesting http://www.fmscout.com/a-sports-inte...ow-hiring.html

Mentions from SI themselves that as well as FMO, they have plans for other football management titles too! Also mentions they have a bit of cash in the kitty so hopefully something for us in the UK

Of course, it's a shame there's a need to develop a new game when there's a perfectly good one already made, with a massive fan base... unless they have any plans to revamp FML of course.

And of course if SI need a year or two to plug the gap before our next UK treat (just being presumptious from their statement), we'll all be more than happy with gold old FML! I still think it would be a real cash cow - a relaunch would be massive bucks - retention obviously would be the problem but if we all got together to promote it and advertise it properly ourselves, the skies the limit....maybe they wouldn't need a new title after all ! And maybe retention would be ok, the game had just about got to a perfect state when it was turned off, so maybe people would hang around longer.

Please SI, use some of your surplus cash to treat us, your loyal old FML fans!!!!

[jp_footy]

And of course if SI need a year or two to plug the gap before our next UK treat (just being presumptious from their statement), we'll all be more than happy with gold old FML! I still think it would be a real cash cow - a relaunch would be massive bucks - retention obviously would be the problem

Not if FM Live was one gameworld only, then gameworlds couldn't die.

[Bradley21]

Been missing FML a fair bit recently... I'm playing a lot of FM iat the moment but it is just far too easy in comparison. I'm still rocking with my old FML tactics and philosophy! Plus i have nothing to rage about any more

Same here, FML was the perfect outlet for my rage, now i just keep it all bottled up inside which can't be healthy, SI are literally damaging my health by not giving us FML back

[Ackter]

Why not give UFL a try?

[Lawlore]

I miss it so much, I'm travelling to Martinique to set up my own youth academy, just like I had in FML.

...as soon as I can work out where Martinique is.

[Abz Khan]

I'm waiting for UFL Looks good, but there will only ever be one FML Top game! SI neeeeed to bring it back

[Abz Khan]

I miss it so much, I'm travelling to Martinique to set up my own youth academy, just like I had in FML.

...as soon as I can work out where Martinique is.

Hahahaha I remember my Youth Academy in Vutalu A country that has a land area of 26km square

[Rob Barker]

I've only just discovered this thread and UFL in the last 20 minutes but it's already getting those FML juices flowing again and I'll definitely be chipping in for the project.

Weirdly I found it when reminiscing. I went into the Francescoli members group on steam. Then saw Scally was online and clicked on him which said he was a member of the Miller group on Steam, clicked on that and received a link to this thread, so nice work Abz

Rob.

[Abz Khan]

No Probs Rob I think this thread is gathering momentum so SI might want to reconsider hahahaha

[Connor]

Just for the record, in terms of games I ever played, FML was by far the best.... absolutely brilliant!

[mufc-paton]

The main problem with this game is that when people struggle, they quit. On FM the simply start a new game. On FML they stop playing or move GW. I think that wiill always be a problem

[Mckergan9]

Basically FML is the main reason why i wanted to find out my login details so i could make a comment on this thread...

Absolutely loved the game, and played it endlessly, would definately love it to come back no matter the cost....even though i wasn't that good at it, i never left and wanted to play on to try and make my club a force...

[phoenix81]

nearly a year since fml was gone

[monty99]

and i`m not even missing it

[Mckergan9]

As someone said before, i advise you to jump over to UFL and have a browse around, it definately looks really good, as could be the replacement we are looking for....

[Abz Khan]

Basically FML is the main reason why i wanted to find out my login details so i could make a comment on this thread...

Absolutely loved the game, and played it endlessly, would definately love it to come back no matter the cost....even though i wasn't that good at it, i never left and wanted to play on to try and make my club a force...

The same reason for everyone hahahaha

[Abz Khan]

UFL is looking pretty sick though! FML was in a league of its own though

[monty99]

what i do miss is the old gameworlds cantona gw

[Mckergan9]

UFL is looking pretty sick though! FML was in a league of its own though

Yeh i definately will be getting it when it gets released...signed up with the forum etc there...

Maybe fill the gap of FML now

[Gramm0]

nearly a year since fml was gone

Makes me sad. I light up every time i see this thread though

Will go check out UFL now.