Why is this player rated so highly?

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:12

I signed a player 3 seasons ago on a free, hes only 19 and hes made the world team of the year and his attributes arent great. Im just baffled at how the game makes him so good and why teams like Barca were going to offer 25 million for him.

http://imageshack.us/f/715/gustavoprofileattribute.png/

i dont really know if that screenshot works never put one up before.

**AcidBurn** · 12-06-2011 18:15

He has great pace, crossing and good work rate with team work as well would make him perform pretty well. He is worth £9 million so just under three times his value is not that crazy.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:20

easy,

1) he plays in a position that superb players are few in the game
2) his physical stats are WOW!
3) some mental attributes are also very high especially for his age
4) his age makes them believe that he will become better

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:20

yes but his mental attributes are poor and for a winger his dribbling is bad aswell i cant see the big fuss about him an why hes performing so well.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:22

his mental are poor? you know that they are the only attributes guaranteed to go UP as the years pass huh?

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:26

yes i know this but i have plenty more players whos mental attributes are way beyond his and are in the same age group as him. This guy is going around like messi in my game everyone is after him and if you look hes nowhere near messi or any great player.

**Coentrao** · 12-06-2011 18:27

Originally Posted by jimi m

yes but his mental attributes are poor and for a winger his dribbling is bad aswell i cant see the big fuss about him an why hes performing so well.

His technique is good as well and with that sort of pace(and agility and acceleration) he will just cause problems to any defender.. pace is still very important in the match engine.

**AcidBurn** · 12-06-2011 18:29

He is performing well but 7.3 with 4 goals and 7 assists is not that great.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:29

for the wage he asks I would sign him with no second thought. the POSITION is all that matters. find in your game 5 better players than him if you can

**IbrahimAliMaher** · 12-06-2011 18:31

He's pretty well the ideal WB, has the physical stats to get up and down the pitch for 90 mins and the ability to put in a quality ball when he gets in the final third

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:35

yes 7.3 isnt good but he also made the team of the year recently

http://imageshack.us/f/405/worldawardsawardwinners.png/

Ha i suppose your right Vangelis it is pretty hard to find a good winger.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:37

I always have trouble finding a good DR/DL/WR/WL.... it is very weird...

if you are still curious use genie scout and check his CA and PA

**Ackter** · 12-06-2011 18:38

Those attributes on a player who can use both feet is rather impressive.

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:41

alright thanks people,, how do i use genie scout??

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:45

you need to google it, download it (pay attention to the version), run it and if you have more questions, post here

**Ackter** · 12-06-2011 18:45

I reckon his CA is around the 155 mark.

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 18:48

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

you need to google it, download it (pay attention to the version), run it and if you have more questions, post here

alright il do that thanks,

His report says he is going to be better than gareth bale, hope he will be.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 18:50

I would guess his CA is at around 135-145 and his PA at around 165-175

let us know!

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 19:25

It says his CA is 165 and his PA is 178

**Ackter** · 12-06-2011 19:29

His right foot must be around the 12-14 mark then?

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 19:32

Originally Posted by jimi m

It says his CA is 165 and his PA is 178

a lot better than I thought then! if you are not familiar with the CA and PA just imagine that TOP CLASS messi-like players are at 180-200 CA. 160+ CA is considered an amazing, yet not the best player

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 19:37

yeah is right foot is 13, yeah i suppose he must be a good player so.. thanks for the help

**Ackter** · 12-06-2011 19:37

160 is a first team player at a top, top club.

180 is a key player.

Best way of looking at it.

**whilewolf2** · 12-06-2011 19:44

Makes me think the Templates for wingers could be better CA 165 should mean his a regular starter for a mid-table side in a top league. This guy is runs into blind allies he cant get out of.

**AcidBurn** · 12-06-2011 19:50

Just don't get too wrapped up in PA and CA. I have had a striker score 26 in 28 games in the EPL and Champions League who had a PA and CA of no higher than 130. I also had a player with a CA of 160 get crowned best player at Champions Leagues beating Messi and Ronaldo also claiming fans player of the year ahead of Tevez, Dzeko and Sergio Aguero.

**Vangelis21** · 12-06-2011 19:51

CA and PA are just indications of the ability, the best rating is what counts

**whilewolf2** · 12-06-2011 20:38

CA is also the only metric used to make sure the standard of players remains broadly the same as regens are created. With the attributes that guy has got I don't think his going to be able to get the same match ratings as researched players of about the same CA. The only upside is that his still young and with good coaching the OP should be able to get his dribbling, passing and off the ball into double figures and make him more useful.
I also think the spread of his attributes looks a bit odd I cant think off the top of my head of a winger with great pace who is a poor dribbler and finisher but a great crosser. Can you?

**jimi m** · 12-06-2011 22:08

hes like aaron lennon but is able to cross but cant dribble, i dont really mind if a player like that can get into the world 11 at the age of 19 their must be something good about him.

**milnerpoint** · 13-06-2011 09:31

The fact he is good with both feet will play in his favour, and with that pace he can be devastating.

**BiggusD** · 13-06-2011 11:50

I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

**Vangelis21** · 13-06-2011 11:59

Originally Posted by BiggusD

I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

lol, of course they do

**BiggusD** · 13-06-2011 12:02

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

lol, of course they do

umm no they don't.

**milnerpoint** · 13-06-2011 12:03

Originally Posted by BiggusD

I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

Where is the proof of this? I have seen the AI sign rubbish players because of amazing form.

**BiggusD** · 13-06-2011 12:16

Originally Posted by milnerpoint

Where is the proof of this? I have seen the AI sign rubbish players because of amazing form.

I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

**Vangelis21** · 13-06-2011 12:23

Originally Posted by BiggusD

I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

who exactly are you that you are absolute in your opinion about what AI does and does not? maybe you are THE AI ??? chill out. of course they do! it is only normal

**Coentrao** · 13-06-2011 12:25

They look mostly at CA and reputation when signing players.

Sure they sign players with good form even if they are not that great as milner said but they normally end up on their reserves.

**milnerpoint** · 13-06-2011 13:40

Originally Posted by BiggusD

I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

sorry i mis-read your post, your right the AI doesnt look directly at attributes, it looks at reputation, form and a form of CA/PA like we see.

**BiggusD** · 13-06-2011 14:34

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

who exactly are you that you are absolute in your opinion about what AI does and does not? maybe you are THE AI ??? chill out. of course they do! it is only normal

In the real world, sure. In FM nope. It IS only normal (or logical, which I would say) but FM is a computer game - it is not always logical. You would think that the AI managers wants to increase pace if they have a slow team, or increase work rate if they have a lazy team and struggle because of that. That is how we human managers think. However, I have seen so many so-called quality signings being recommended to me and signed by my opponents even though they have rubbish attributes, that it is blindingly obvious that the AI don't look at them at all.

**RBKalle** · 13-06-2011 14:55

Two letters:

P A

The AI can "see" this guy's PA and I assume it's pretty high, so regardless of his actual current ability or form, FM will perceive the player as a potential worldclass winger.

Actually he's quite good for his age, and the physical attributes will make him even better, mitigating the mental shortcomings.

His value is fair, and an offer of 18-20M doesn't sound too far-fetched IMO.

I've seen much much worse players attracting interest from top clubs... and I mean really awful players... just because their PA was like 160, despite their CA being 100 with horribly uneven attributes and zero chances of ever turning into something useful at a top level.

**hugo_rune** · 13-06-2011 14:58

A hard working wide player who's lightning quick and good at crossing? I'll take him.

**PLeaseDontSackME** · 13-06-2011 18:59

Originally Posted by hugo_rune

A hard working wide player who's lightning quick and good at crossing? I'll take him.

Not if i can offer 20 mil before you get wind of it and offer him 3 times his wage

Then you will probably go on to sign the highly touted english central defender ive been so desperate to get at my club

damn club reputation, or lack of...

**jimi m** · 13-06-2011 21:53

his pace and acceleration are on 20 now and i told him to kick the ball past oppenents when taking them on is working to a devastating affect,, yeehaw

**Herter** · 13-06-2011 22:10

Originally Posted by RBKalle

Two letters:

P A

The AI can "see" this guy's PA and I assume it's pretty high, so regardless of his actual current ability or form, FM will perceive the player as a potential worldclass winger.

Actually he's quite good for his age, and the physical attributes will make him even better, mitigating the mental shortcomings.

His value is fair, and an offer of 18-20M doesn't sound too far-fetched IMO.

I've seen much much worse players attracting interest from top clubs... and I mean really awful players... just because their PA was like 160, despite their CA being 100 with horribly uneven attributes and zero chances of ever turning into something useful at a top level.

+1

I saw Arsenal buy a keeper and use him as their 1st choice on FM2010.. and trust me he had the attributes to be a mediocre player.. in League 2 or BSP.. I think he had like 4-5 attributes over 10 in goalkeeping.. It was a joke.. and he played like 100 first team matches for them! - sadly didnt check his ca/pa.. but I'll bet it was around 80/90 CA ad 180-200 PA

**Ackter** · 13-06-2011 22:12

The AI uses the exact same code as our scouts and staff do when looking at players - you have access to the exact same info as the AI does.

**Herter** · 13-06-2011 22:12

tbh this is one of the best 19 year old wingbacks I've ever seen.. he may not have many 18+ attributes, but his attributes are very very very well balanced!

**toon army 06** · 13-06-2011 22:21

Originally Posted by jimi m

yes 7.3 isnt good but he also made the team of the year recently

http://imageshack.us/f/405/worldawardsawardwinners.png/

Ha i suppose your right Vangelis it is pretty hard to find a good winger.

hes not great on the ball but as a winger he seems like a park type player and dirk kuyt so hes a good hard working player.

**BiggusD** · 13-06-2011 23:29

Originally Posted by Ackter

The AI uses the exact same code as our scouts and staff do when looking at players - you have access to the exact same info as the AI does.

Not much use that, when they don't use that info like we do? I'd just wish that the AI built their teams with some coherent logic. For example Target Man + Poacher up front, Plamaker + Ball Winning Midfielder duo in the midfield and two fast and hard-working wingers. Cover and stopper defenders plus defender type full backs. Sounds good yes? After a few years all that is gone and will never come back. What is left is a random mishmash of whatever "quality signing" they come across, and it could be good if they luck out with their signings and don't sell all their creative players for instance (because they won't seek "consciously" to replace their creative players...).

The simple answer to the OP is: "because he has a high reputation/PA". The OP's arguments about him not being able to dribble and that his mental stats are poor are irrelevant to the AI managers - despite them having access to the exact same information as he does.

The OP is right - definitely a good player, but not fantastic. Not perfect. Worth 25 million pounds? Perhaps not, but if someone is willing to pay that, that is what he is worth. Economy is quite simple in cases like this.

**Ackter** · 13-06-2011 23:58

I'm not saying it can't be improved - I'm just trying to dispel the myth that the AI can see the magic number.

**R. Hearn** · 14-06-2011 02:19

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

I always have trouble finding a good DR/DL/WR/WL.... it is very weird...

if you are still curious use genie scout and check his CA and PA

I thought I was the only one having this problem, heh! It's really weird and the ones that come through my youth system are rated 1 star at most.

**kkas** · 14-06-2011 02:28

Originally Posted by jimi m

I signed a player 3 seasons ago on a free, hes only 19 and hes made the world team of the year and his attributes arent great. Im just baffled at how the game makes him so good and why teams like Barca were going to offer 25 million for him.

Why are you comparing this guy to messi who clearly couldnt be bought for 25 mil. A good player can play above what their stats suggest if they are playing in the right team with the right tactics, besides he looks like hes worth 25mil judging by current standards

**toon army 06** · 14-06-2011 03:42

Originally Posted by kkas

Why are you comparing this guy to messi who clearly couldnt be bought for 25 mil. A good player can play above what their stats suggest if they are playing in the right team with the right tactics, besides he looks like hes worth 25mil judging by current standards

i don't know why hes moaning top players are not allways magic on the ball; roy keane was not.

**jimi m** · 14-06-2011 17:01

Originally Posted by toon army 06

i don't know why hes moaning top players are not allways magic on the ball; roy keane was not.

yes but roy keane had a great brain he could read the game like a childs learning book,a great midfield ball winner and he was handy on the ball too.This guy I have is all pace and no brain but yet hes playing brilliantly.

This guy i signed was on a free transfer, i got him out of nowhere and in his second full season he gets into the world eleven and had offers from a lot of top clubs. Yes messi now couldnt be bought for 25 mill but could he have been bought for that when he was 17/18 I think he could.

**toon army 06** · 14-06-2011 23:36

Originally Posted by jimi m

yes but roy keane had a great brain he could read the game like a childs learning book,a great midfield ball winner and he was handy on the ball too.This guy I have is all pace and no brain but yet hes playing brilliantly.

This guy i signed was on a free transfer, i got him out of nowhere and in his second full season he gets into the world eleven and had offers from a lot of top clubs. Yes messi now couldnt be bought for 25 mill but could he have been bought for that when he was 17/18 I think he could.

you don't get what i mean do you. your guy has great stats not when on the ball but off it and is hard working hes world class in a few skills hes a hard working player, hes no roy keane but i bet if he played in reallife with they stats which are more than pace many clubs would want him.

your guy is a top player for the great stats he has every team needs a hard working player.

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