dafuge's FM11 challenge

**Tants** · 26-09-2011 20:28

An FM game without the Dafuge thread would be like Fish without Chips.......whilst they will both surive without each other it would just never quite seem right ever again!

It has to be done I'm afraid mate! Easily the best challenge setup on the game for people to enjoy.

**jsar** · 02-10-2011 10:23

cant wait till FM12 to start this again, i agree with the others an FM game without a Dafuge Challange would be terrible!!

**Stephanie McMahon\'s Secret Lover** · 04-10-2011 09:45

Originally Posted by dafuge

Dealing with the finances in the lower league is hard work though, I usually end up in huge debt

Me too. In fact even when winning the Premiership the 1st time around I'm usually in debt. The chairmen however, have no problem pumping money in to clear debts as long as you're successful. If you're not being successful then expect a 10 point deduction and administration.

**deadfncat** · 08-10-2011 07:00

I cant wait to get another team going once 2012 is released

plz bring the challange back for another year! It is the most enjoyable one for sure

**jsar** · 08-10-2011 09:44

Originally Posted by deadfncat

I cant wait to get another team going once 2012 is released

plz bring the challange back for another year! It is the most enjoyable one for sure

totally agree! have done this every year for well i dont rememeber how long now and is by far the most enjoyable way to play FM

**Almondo** · 09-10-2011 04:26

Gotta say it wouldn't be CSE without the challenge, it's the major save I always look forward to doing and I want to see if I have the same success as I did on FM11.

**deadfncat** · 09-10-2011 05:51

I keep opening this thread every second day atm. So pumped for release

Cant wait to see who I can play as

**dafuge** · 09-10-2011 11:14

It looks like contracts for semi-professional clubs have been tweaked for this version, so the first few seasons might be a bit more of a challenge this year

**deadfncat** · 09-10-2011 11:47

Originally Posted by dafuge

It looks like contracts for semi-professional clubs have been tweaked for this version, so the first few seasons might be a bit more of a challenge this year

tweaked how?

**dafuge** · 09-10-2011 11:48

If you are semi-professional then you can only offer semi-professional contracts. I've heard people mentioning pay as you play type deals as well.

**deadfncat** · 09-10-2011 12:07

oh wow that doenst sound very good

**dafuge** · 09-10-2011 12:12

I think it sounds great, anything that makes the early days harder is good in my opinion. For years I've found the lower leagues the easiest and struggled further up, maybe this will be the opposite?

**deadfncat** · 09-10-2011 12:21

Yeh thats true I guess. I find the same, which is disappointing. Anything for a bit of difficulty

At least get a forum post up for us on rls date please

**dafuge** · 09-10-2011 12:23

Originally Posted by deadfncat

At least get a forum post up for us on rls date please

There will be a thread up on release day, but I'm at work that day so it won't be until the evening.

**Liverbird93** · 09-10-2011 12:28

can't wait for FM12 because I'll be able to use Chester FC one of my favourite clubs in the challenge

**deadfncat** · 09-10-2011 12:37

Originally Posted by dafuge

There will be a thread up on release day, but I'm at work that day so it won't be until the evening.

haha cheers bro. Yeh im the same. Probably running home to try and get it downloaded asap

**deadfncat** · 11-10-2011 05:36

oh wow im so gutted right now. For some reason I thought release date was 12th, not 21st

**jsar** · 11-10-2011 20:17

Originally Posted by dafuge

There will be a thread up on release day, but I'm at work that day so it won't be until the evening.

cant wait to take Chippenham to the Premiership again!

**deadfncat** · 12-10-2011 10:32

Originally Posted by jsar

cant wait to take Chippenham to the Premiership again!

I realised that due to their promotion last season, its possible to take Met Police to the top in this challenge now.
Go the Coppers!

**brettles1108** · 12-10-2011 22:56

I have never done this challenge but will probably give it a go on FM12. Just a quick question though. I like to have a Man Utd save so am I allowed to start a save and with them and place my second manager on holiday, then after the first season, carry on as normal playing as man utd and my then new team?

**Gentleman** · 13-10-2011 07:08

Originally Posted by dafuge

To be honest, I haven't really given it much thought. Much like this year, I'll be playing FM but not as part of this challenge as I feel I've pretty much done it to death and achieved all I can.

I was debating whether or not to start an FM12 thread, so I'd be happy to hear people's thoughts.

Do it, please. I`m not sure whether you know it or not, but the 'dafuge challenge' has become a sort of classic event by now

It would feel weird if you wouldn`t post the thread, regardless of whether you participate yourself or not. Just don`t keep us from participating

... and yes, I know I always promise to participate and drop off the grid once I signed up. I`ll try to do better next time.

**Biscotti** · 13-10-2011 10:00

Originally Posted by brettles1108

I have never done this challenge but will probably give it a go on FM12. Just a quick question though. I like to have a Man Utd save so am I allowed to start a save and with them and place my second manager on holiday, then after the first season, carry on as normal playing as man utd and my then new team?

While I can understand wanting to do that, the idea of the challenge is to make it to the top with everybody being on exactly the same footing. Running a second manager in the same save will alter the balance of the game, while also the temptation will be there to "cheat" when things aren't quite going your way. That's also why the challenge states you're not allowed to run other nations alongside the English leagues.

**dj clark boy** · 14-10-2011 17:57

Know its late but im starting this one before game comes out next weak keep me going till then will post later tonight on how i do

**James Homer** · 15-10-2011 18:55

Skip forward to 2016/17 and we finally have promotion from the BSS!

A massive 95 points!

Key Players: Nick Ajose & Derrick Williams.

**GreyedOutMan** · 15-10-2011 19:24

Originally Posted by brettles1108

I have never done this challenge but will probably give it a go on FM12. Just a quick question though. I like to have a Man Utd save so am I allowed to start a save and with them and place my second manager on holiday, then after the first season, carry on as normal playing as man utd and my then new team?

This would slow your game down a lot, but as long as you dont do anything stupid like send all your United reserves on loan to your BSN/S team or worse still, buy them for peanuts, then I dont think you're breaking the rules .....

**Nuxalk** · 15-10-2011 23:21

I have never posted on this thread, but I partake in the challenge every year and I truly love the concept, I've done it in every game since 2007 and this is the first time I've really had a game really go long enough, I'm approaching 2050 now and completed the challenge some seasons ago.

I was both relegated from the Premier League and on the losing side of a Champions League final (on penalties to Man United), but in the end managed to succeed in all competitions.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8...historycom.png - I realise I didn't post initially so in some sense I'm not really "part" of the challenge, but my achievements nonetheless are far beyond what I have ever achieved on FM before, a season in which I won every game (bar 1 FA Cup game (again Man Utd my undoing) which I won in the replay) perhaps the crowning achievement.

I now have 5 Champions League titles (1 Runner up), 9 League titles (3 runner up), 11 League Cups (2 RU), 10 FA Cup (never lost final), 1 Europa League (1 RU), 6 Super Cups, 5 CWC and 10 Charity Shields. http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8...historycom.png

I'm more than happy to provide any more data if people want to see some of my other achievements, but I've never once cheated, I in fact abide mostly by LLM rules (no player tips, only use scouts etc.) and I thought I'd share my experiences of FM11 so far as it's been my favorite game of the series, and a welcome distraction from University work, always open in a window whilst reading and churning out essays.

EDIT: I have also never had a player earning over 49,500 per week play for me (barring a 36 year old who I signed on the basis he was the best player ever on the game and thought it would be awesome to have him for 18 months), as I strictly stick to a 50k wage cap. I've also made my side healthy profits on transfers and have had a stadium of 33500 that I'm only just about to get out of. I rarely have an over 30 in my side, and a majority of my talent is scouted from France in terms of youth. The only real disappointment is my lack of bringing through anyone from my personal youth team, in nearly 40 seasons only a couple have made more than a handful of league appearances.

**vikeologist** · 16-10-2011 01:59

I'm currently ploughing through my save trying to reach 2045 so i can get a stadium named after me, athough I think that is the end of a 3 year planning stage. God knows how long it will actually take to build.

Anyway, I achieved the challenge long ago, and Hednesford have now won something like 10 league titles, 5 Champions leagues and God knows what else, but since confession is good for the soul, I made a few little transgressions. I think the chief one is that I forgot to untick 'add key staff' when i started, and when i realised I was about 2 sreasons into the save and didn't want to start again. I also made quite a lot of money from pre-season friendlies, which I think someone recently referred to as a cheat. Also i reload the game lods of times at the end of each season to try to get ason, which I never managed, but it did mean that most seasons a star youth player was loaded into my youth team, or a team i liked for one reason or another appeared in one of the blue square bottom leagues. For me, having youth players come thrugh the ranks is part of the fun of the game.

I guess this may mean that I cheated in some people's eyes, but it's a game. If you succeed in this challenge you are exploiting the programming in some way, be it through a tactical formation which wouldn't work in the real world or selecting staff based on data attributes, (God, I wish i could do that in real life).

I have to point out that there's hundreds of things that I would never do; for instance circumvent the scouting limitations, reload games or any of the big fat dirty cheats that I can't think of off the top of my head. I actually stick to a basic tactic that is completely lifelike, and don't tinker with set pieces to exploit gaps in the coding. In my own internal set of rules, it is these things that are against the spirit of the challenge.

Some people's records in the game are unbelievable, but we all have to play the game according to what makes us happy. If I do a challenge next year I will pay a lot more attention to the lower league rules, but even if I can now consider myself to be excommunicated, all that matters to me is that I had a lot of fun playing the game and contributing to this thread, until I completed the challenge and everybody that I kept up with either completed the challenge or (I presume) gave up.

So, to sum up, may i echo reveryone else in thanking Dafuge for this challenge and thread.

**Nuxalk** · 16-10-2011 02:31

Aye, got a stadium named after me, moving into it in the close season, 66500 seater - Not had a son yet though, doesn't fuss me too much.

Set a target of getting my main striker to play 1000 career games, he's injury prone and picks up a lot of bookings/reds - But the sole reason I've done any good in terms of sustained success.

If I have one complaint about this challenge though is that I feel I've really alienated myself from other parts of the game, I never take job offers abroad, I never manage national teams and I never start at the top level and deal with the buzz of initial expectation. Still, it is of course brilliant, and has become for me the football manager experience I have found the most rewarding, and video games rarely give me that sense of achievement, usually I play them like a hedonist.

**vikeologist** · 16-10-2011 02:56

I have managed a couple of international sides since completing the challenge. Once you've won the championship and Champions League I guess you can do what you want.

In fact a couple of seasons ago I offered my management services (10 Premierships, 8 FA Cups, 6 Champions Leagues, 1 European Championship, Confederation Cup and World Cup - since you asked, oh sorry I must have misheard) to my favourite team Bradford City.

They gave the job to someone else. Just because I'm now 75 years old and weed myself during the interview. Age discrimination, that's what it is.

**deadfncat** · 16-10-2011 06:56

Originally Posted by vikeologist

They gave the job to someone else. Just because I'm now 75 years old and weed myself during the interview. Age discrimination, that's what it is.

classic :P

Ive just started a save to play around with until fm12 rls

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/888...ofileattri.png

yes, i just watched iron man :P

**deadfncat** · 16-10-2011 14:43

oh wow. Started with Weymouth and im terrible! taking a few months off FM and ive lost my groove
lost my first 5 games of the season then signed 2 great wingers. wona game 3-0 and started thinking i might be able to turn the season around
then we lost 6-3 :\

**Hypanimz** · 16-10-2011 17:24

I did the challenge with Weymouth this season. really enjoyed it, never managed to win the champions league in my 20 seasons. Was runner up last season but I havent been able to continue as ill never finish it before FM12 release. Next season I will participate in the thread and post my updates. cannot wait!

**deadfncat** · 19-10-2011 12:10

this time friday night ill be playing ! woowoo!

**CSF** · 19-10-2011 18:03

Originally Posted by dafuge

To be honest, I haven't really given it much thought. Much like this year, I'll be playing FM but not as part of this challenge as I feel I've pretty much done it to death and achieved all I can.

I was debating whether or not to start an FM12 thread, so I'd be happy to hear people's thoughts.

Please do.

**darren1983** · 20-10-2011 20:59

Def start the thread Daf - this is one of the best challenges out there!

**dafuge** · 20-10-2011 21:01

It'll be up at some point on Friday evening.

**GreyedOutMan** · 20-10-2011 21:07

Great news, Daf. Peer pressure WORKS :-)

**Twellman24** · 20-10-2011 21:08

It'd be silly for a challenge with over 4,000 posts not top be reposted, somebody else would have posted it anyway.

**Hypanimz** · 20-10-2011 22:17

Brilliant news. Cant wait to get going

**deadfncat** · 20-10-2011 22:37

woohoo! cant wait

**Almondo** · 20-10-2011 22:47

great news. Will probably run the FM12 challenge alongside the big euro Challenge.

**Mafino** · 20-10-2011 23:16

I think they were looking for someone with 7 Champions Leagues

**GoalieManPat121** · 20-10-2011 23:19

Is the .ddt file required to start the challenge? Just wondering if I should start my dafuge game right at game launch or wait until dafuge posts the new thread.

**jsar** · 21-10-2011 00:31

well gonna start holiday manager now and hope that the rules are pretty much the same as last year going for chippenham as that is who i always play so not worried about who else comes up in my saves so guess i dont need the full list of promotion candidates

**drmanley** · 21-10-2011 08:00

AFAIK the DDT file only retained players for the tier 7 clubs. You can do this manually this year through the Database Size>Custom>specify conditions>players in division then select the 3 tier 7 divisions English Isthmian League Premier Division, English Southern League Premier Division and English Northern Premier League Premier Division). This is on the new game overview screen at set up.

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 08:35

setting up my game right now. Thanks for the tip drmanly

**lawstraljan11** · 21-10-2011 11:40

quick question @ dafuge. Does that mean I can finally manage FC United on FM12?

**lawstraljan11** · 21-10-2011 11:50

what I mean is, is dafuge making some kind of new league for the lower teams? As low as FC United are, coz I really want to play as them for a good challenge!

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 12:17

FC united are in the Northern Premier League Premier Division so can be played if they get promoted

**lawstraljan11** · 21-10-2011 12:20

Originally Posted by deadfncat

FC united are in the Northern Premier League Premier Division so can be played if they get promoted

Yeah I read that. But is dafuge making custom league for the Northern Premier League Premier Divison? Coz that's what I thought this thread was about...

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 12:25

no. its not about custom leagues.
What you do is holiday for a year and see who gets promoted to the BSS/BSN. Then use one of those teams and take them to glory

**lawstraljan11** · 21-10-2011 12:28

oooooh good thing I didn't wait for anything to be released. so then there is no need for me to download anything in order for me to do this? it's just about luck eh?

**drmanley** · 21-10-2011 12:30

Sorry my post may have been ambiguous. What I was saying was that you can now make sure that when the clubs do get promoted to the BSN or BSs they'll have the right players. You used to have to use a special file. Apologies for any confusion caused.

**crouchaldinho** · 21-10-2011 12:31

Looking forward to the new thread.

I'm going to be in here for the first time in my FM career as my favourite team, St. Albans City, were relegated to step 3 last season.

So, it's time for me to take on the famous Dafuge's challenge!

**drmanley** · 21-10-2011 12:32

Sorry for the double post but the update day is now the 24th not the 25th!! So save your game on the 23rd of June for reloads!

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 12:35

awesome crouchy. welcome

just waiting on dafuge to wakeup/get home from work

thanks for the update drmanly. could have been bad there :P

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 13:02

hmmm im starting to think it may take me awhile before i see met police get promoted

if anyone sees them, please upload the save. ill do the same for any hard to get requests

**MikaelS** · 21-10-2011 13:41

Originally Posted by dafuge

It'll be up at some point on Friday evening.

I'm glad it is. All though not a regular on your challenge this year (I actually got bored with FM11), I have always enjoyed your challenge. It is the very first one I play. So a new Fm version without Dafuge's Challenge would be like to play football without boots.

**Crispypaul** · 21-10-2011 14:07

Good news on the 2012 challenge coming up again. Will start it on Sunday when I'm back home.

**Welsh Wizard** · 21-10-2011 14:18

I will be back for another year

Who to be thats the question? Been Carshalton, FC United and Colwyn Bay the last 3 times.

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 14:25

WB Welsh

**Lanthal** · 21-10-2011 14:54

I've been reloading a few times and kept a few saves. No-one jumping out at me yet. Need to see the rankings. Harrow has only come up once - don't know how they fare in terms of rank

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 15:07

haha same Lanthal.
FC United seem to be the team that get promoted the most at the moment for me. The "rare" ones i have saved are canvey island, carshalton, hitchin, marine, redditch and worksop. maybe there are others that i just didnt notice.
I have seen Met Police yet which is making me really sad, mainly because its nearly midnight and i should be in bed

**Crispypaul** · 21-10-2011 15:26

Originally Posted by Welsh Wizard

I will be back for another year

Who to be thats the question? Been Carshalton, FC United and Colwyn Bay the last 3 times.

I'm hoping to be either AFC Totton or Wingate & Finchley, although as these have just been promoted to Level 7 IRL I expect that is a little optimistic.

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 15:29

Originally Posted by Crispypaul

I'm hoping to be either AFC Totton or Wingate & Finchley, although as these have just been promoted to Level 7 IRL I expect that is a little optimistic.

I havent seen either yet mate. Will shoot up a save if i do though. Hopefully if a kind soul sees Met Police one of theirs, they could put it up. Cheers

**Scab** · 21-10-2011 16:07

Reps from the FM12 db:

Code:

English Isthmian League Premier Divison

Team                    Rep
----------------------------
Lewes                   1400
Lowestoft               1350
Carshalton              1350
Hendon                  1300
Kingstonian             1250
Bury Town               1200
Billericay              1200
Tooting & Motham        1150
Wealdstone              1150
Harrow                  1150
AFC Hornchurch          1100
Margate                 1100
Canvey Island           1100
Wingate & Finchley      1000
Hastings Utd            1000
East Thurrock           950
Cray                    900
Horsham                 850
Concord Rangers         800
Met Police              800
Leatherhead             750
Aveley                  700



English Southern League Premier Division

Team                    Rep
----------------------------
St. Albans              1350
Cambridge C             1150
Weymouth                1100
Redditch                1100
Bedford                 1050
Hitchin                 1050
Oxford City             1000
Chippenham              950
Banbury                 900
Chesham                 900
Swindon S               750
Leamington              700
Cirencester             700
Brackley                700
Barwell                 650
Hemel Hempstead         650
Bashley                 650
Evesham                 600
Stourbridge             600
Arlesey                 550
Totton                  450
Frome                   400



English Northern Premier League Premier Division

Team                    Rep
----------------------------
Chester                 1500
FC United               1450
Northwich               1400
Stafford                1250
Bradford PA             1150
Hednesford              1150
Worksop                 1100
Marine                  1100
North Ferriby           1050
Matlock                 1000
Chorley                 1000
Nantwich                950
Chasetown               950
Kendal                  950
Ashton Utd              900
Buxton                  850
Frickley                850
Burscough               800
Whitby                  800
Stocksbridge            750
Mickleover              650
Rushall                 650

Met Police will probably be nigh-on impossible to get.

**deadfncat** · 21-10-2011 16:12

oo thanks for that. kinda gives me hope though.
I ended up getting Croydon Athletic last season and they were only 700. who knows, maybe ill get lucky?
wouldnt want to be a Frome supporter though :P

also howd u get the reps?

**Scab** · 21-10-2011 16:14

Via the editor. If someone wants to have a look themselves, just load the db, make a Competitions search for "English", pick the league you want to check, then go to "Teams" and sort by the "Reputation" header.

**Welsh Wizard** · 21-10-2011 17:03

Chasetown, Cray, Totton and Whitby really interest me up to now but likely be impossible. Will reload quite a few times so will upload any rare ones I see.

Love the Tooton Badge

**Hypanimz** · 21-10-2011 17:43

Im almost at the reload point. Hope to see Banbury United appear. at 900 Rep could be a while.

**crouchaldinho** · 21-10-2011 18:12

St. Albans City rated way too high. That'll change come the Xmas update!

**dafuge** · 21-10-2011 18:23

I've only just got back from work, so it may be a little later than I'd hoped.

Will still be this evening though, although it might mean I'll start the thread without really testing it properly first.

**MikaelS** · 21-10-2011 18:32

Any thoughts on the setup this year? Does the ability to add leagues on the fly change anything?

Someone mentioned something about the ddt file not being necessary this year ?

**dafuge** · 21-10-2011 18:38

Originally Posted by MikaelS

Any thoughts on the setup this year? Does the ability to add leagues on the fly change anything?

Someone mentioned something about the ddt file not being necessary this year ?

We've never added any leagues, so unfortunately that feature won't make any difference. Unless we go for free choice on loading leagues?

I haven't looked into the custom player retaining yet, but that may well mean the ddt is no longer needed.

**MikaelS** · 21-10-2011 18:46

Originally Posted by dafuge

We've never added any leagues, so unfortunately that feature won't make any difference. Unless we go for free choice on loading leagues?

I know. It just means that ppl have an easier way to add players/leagues. At least I think it should be mentioned in the rules that adding leagues on the fly is not legal.

I still think the challenge should be as authentic as possible, meaning the league setup should be the same as usual.

**deadfncat** · 22-10-2011 11:41

Originally Posted by MikaelS

I know. It just means that ppl have an easier way to add players/leagues. At least I think it should be mentioned in the rules that adding leagues on the fly is not legal.

I still think the challenge should be as authentic as possible, meaning the league setup should be the same as usual.

The only difference i usually run is having australia on view only so I can see how my Brisbane Roar are doing :P

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