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    Default OFFICIAL FM2011 Demo First Impressions Thread

    So, first impressions and thoughts. Please keep 'em here, we're very interested to hear what you think!

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    ha nice one, this should stop the countless threads

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    More than 50% done.

    Just gonna catch some Z's and leave it till tomorrow methinks

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    looks good havnt played it yet because my comp is being very slow tonight but cant wait

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    46% on mine, ill wait check out a few players then go to bed myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie_G_32201 View Post
    46% on mine, ill wait check out a few players then go to bed myself.
    Yeah, I was planning on a few hours but I think a quick glance and bed. I'm too tired.

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    Nice thread

    I won`t be trying the demo myself, so it is fun to read what others think of the game.

    Looking forward to 5th november.

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    Alas, bed calls, but tomorrow evening I shall be frittering away a few hours. Assuming it downloads, but only morning will confirm that. Simply can't wait though!

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    Media prediction for Newcastle 18th? Oh dear haha..

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    Least Ben Arfa isn't injured. Ah well off to play it now. Happy trails people!

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    Gonna play only tomorrow, 600k internet

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    Just fired it up Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

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    Just downloading just now! alarm set for an hour from now ha ha

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    62% lets get it on

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    meh sleep in college is appealing at the moment , hello all night fm 11 sesh ;)

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    Tim Cahill has Jumping - 14 on the game.

    I'm sorry, what?! Who made that decision?!


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    Mod - make this a sticky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    Tim Cahill has Jumping - 14 on the game.

    I'm sorry, what?! Who made that decision?!

    he has flubber on his shoes in that scene. it doesnt count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    Tim Cahill has Jumping - 14 on the game.

    I'm sorry, what?! Who made that decision?!

    New jumping guidelines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    Tim Cahill has Jumping - 14 on the game.

    I'm sorry, what?! Who made that decision?!

    same for Bebe known for his exploding speed, had less than 7 in acc and 10 in pace?

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    No dark skin!!! Great!

    CAN i ASK WHY THERE IS ONLY A DEFAULT SKIN PLEASE?

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    Yeah Jumping very much takes in account a players height. Cahill's jumping is likely as high as it can get for a player of his height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    Yeah Jumping very much takes in account a players height. Cahill's jumping is likely as high as it can get for a player of his height.
    I'm sorry mate but that's seriously idiotic.

    So you're saying there is a limit to how high a person can jump dependant on height?

    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    I'm sorry mate but that's seriously idiotic.

    So you're saying there is a limit to how high a person can jump dependant on height?

    Really?
    It is not idiotic, it is logical.

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    No it isn't, how do you prove there is a correlation between height and jumping capacity? Lol.

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    One further thing: the 'conversation' is a bit weird if you use the option to talk to the press about a player and then decide not to say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    I'm sorry mate but that's seriously idiotic.

    So you're saying there is a limit to how high a person can jump dependant on height?

    Really?
    That isn't what he's saying at all. He's saying that 'jumping' actually means the height a player can reach through the combination of their leap and their actual height. So you will see short people with a great leap getting similar ratings to very tall players without a great leap. Cahill has a terrific leap but because of his height, he's still not going to be able outjump some who's 6'4/6'5 with a good leap of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick OGS20 View Post
    That isn't what he's saying at all. He's saying that 'jumping' actually means the height a player can reach through the combination of their leap and their actual height. So you will see short people with a great leap getting similar ratings to very tall players without a great leap. Cahill has a terrific leap but because of his height, he's still not going to be able outjump some who's 6'4/6'5 with a good leap of their own.
    I've seen Cahill out jump Christopher Samba.

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    I've seen Cahill out jump Christopher Samba.

    Go figure.
    I've seen Shaun-Wright-Phillips out jump Cahill. Just because a player has better jumping and heading in the game doesn't mean he'll outjump and win every header in the match engine. Like real life other factors are taken into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick OGS20 View Post
    That isn't what he's saying at all. He's saying that 'jumping' actually means the height a player can reach through the combination of their leap and their actual height. So you will see short people with a great leap getting similar ratings to very tall players without a great leap. Cahill has a terrific leap but because of his height, he's still not going to be able outjump some who's 6'4/6'5 with a good leap of their own.
    Sorry to disagree with you guys on this, but I agree that this explanation is not logically sound. If the attribute was named jump reach coefficient then I'm on your side, but it is not. It is called Jumping. As previous contributors have pointed out, there is no logical link between height and jumping ability.
    I entirely understand the use of this attribute, and exactly what SI are trying to do with it, and it makes perfect sense in terms of the final outcome. However, this does not hide the fact that "jumping" should be an attribute entirely detached from height.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macque View Post
    Sorry to disagree with you guys on this, but I agree that this explanation is not logically sound. If the attribute was named jump reach coefficient then I'm on your side, but it is not. It is called Jumping. As previous contributors have pointed out, there is no logical link between height and jumping ability.
    I entirely understand the use of this attribute, and exactly what SI are trying to do with it, and it makes perfect sense in terms of the final outcome. However, this does not hide the fact that "jumping" should be an attribute entirely detached from height.

    Just a thought.
    Whatever you all think, this is how the 'jumping' attribute is judged and rated. Yes for transperancy they could have renamed it. But you know what, its their game they can call it what they like, as long as all researchers are singing off the same hymn sheet. Keep arguing, but what you are really asking for is attribute renaming.

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    I'm off to bed. I've only hit one new feature and that is the agents. I'm not sure yet, some of the demands are ridiculous. I tried to buy Chellini with Man City and they wanted a £10.5m signing on fee (which I couldn't offer due to restrictions), a whooping £4.8m for the agent, as well as a £28m transfer fee and £175,000 a week. I don't know if this is realistic (is it?), but it will take some getting used to, it feels like it may annoy me.

    This was one example Srna was similar and even Elia from HSV had stupid demands. What does eveyone else think of it?

    EDIT: I love the new match engine. Looks and plays fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robioto View Post
    I'm off to bed. I've only hit one new feature and that is the agents. I'm not sure yet, some of the demands are ridiculous. I tried to buy Chellini with Man City and they wanted a £10.5m signing on fee (which I couldn't offer due to restrictions), a whooping £4.8m for the agent, as well as a £28m transfer fee and £175,000 a week. I don't know if this is realistic (is it?), but it will take some getting used to, it feels like it may annoy me.

    This was one example Srna was similar and even Elia from HSV had stupid demands. What does eveyone else think of it?

    EDIT: I love the new match engine. Looks and plays fantastic.
    Since you're Man City and have craploads of players at obscene wages already, any new ones are bound to try and take you for a serious ride. Their clubs and agents too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    Yeah Jumping very much takes in account a players height. Cahill's jumping is likely as high as it can get for a player of his height.
    No, jumping is the ability to jump, not related to height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higgins View Post
    No, jumping is the ability to jump, not related to height.
    I promise you, jumping is how high the players head reaches, not how far his feet are off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Clarke View Post
    I promise you, jumping is how high the players head reaches, not how far his feet are off the ground.
    Yep, you promised me but your statement is simply flawed.

    Again, it's not related to height.
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    Cahill can climb higher than most players regardless of his height.

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    One month in and getting used to the interface.

    Am I missing a single click button to go to the squad screen? Can't find it and it's really bugging me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainPlanet View Post
    One month in and getting used to the interface.

    Am I missing a single click button to go to the squad screen? Can't find it and it's really bugging me.
    Are you referring to the customisable shortcut icon? If yes, then right click over any empty area of your Menu Bar and you'll have the full list of custom shortcut icons you can add to it.

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    Really loving the board requests - seems much more involved and the conversation style is a winner!

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    In reality it's not so much 'jumping' as it is 'aerial reach'. Zigic wouldn't even need to jump at all to be higher than the maximum Cahill could. It's not idiotic at all, as Andy Clarke said, it's perfectly logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    In reality it's not so much 'jumping' as it is 'aerial reach'. Zigic wouldn't even need to jump at all to be higher than the maximum Cahill could. It's not idiotic at all, as Andy Clarke said, it's perfectly logical.
    The stat isn't aerial reach, it's jumping. Are you telling me, that out of 20 marks, Tim Cahill's jumping ability is 14?

    How does size of a person even relate to their ability to jump. Have you ever watched basketball?

    Maybe a better example. Vidic is 6ft2" and has jumping 17. I've watched Tim Cahill out leap him live many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    The stat isn't aerial reach, it's jumping. Are you telling me, that out of 20 marks, Tim Cahill's jumping ability is 14?

    How does size of a person even relate to their ability to jump. Have you ever watched basketball?

    Maybe a better example. Vidic is 6ft2" and has jumping 17. I've watched Tim Cahill out leap him live many times.

    Jumping in FM has always been the maximum height a player can reach off the ground - height + jumping ability.

    If you don't believe me do a search there are plenty of threads explaining it.

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    When is lunchtime on friday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    In reality it's not so much 'jumping' as it is 'aerial reach'. Zigic wouldn't even need to jump at all to be higher than the maximum Cahill could. It's not idiotic at all, as Andy Clarke said, it's perfectly logical.
    So you are saying that Cahill cant even jump 25 centimetres off the ground? If so shouldn't his jumping attribute be much much lower?

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    Everything looking good so far, one thing I noticed is that nothing came up on the "board request status" after I had a couple of requests granted, I feel like something should appear there even if the wheels haven't been put in motion yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelicanstuff View Post
    Everything looking good so far, one thing I noticed is that nothing came up on the "board request status" after I had a couple of requests granted, I feel like something should appear there even if the wheels haven't been put in motion yet.
    Have you continued a day? Does it show up then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    Have you continued a day? Does it show up then?
    No but I'm sure it will. I understand it might not be practical but it would be nice to see something pop up there straight away if it was.

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    Just a suggestion. I am trying to upload the first match on my youtube channel but it is taking time. It would have being awesome if you could minimize and get on with the game instead of waiting the upload to finish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Brock View Post
    Have you continued a day? Does it show up then?
    Update on the board request status: my Youth Facilities upgrade showed up the day after but not my planned feeder club. It would be nice if that little screen showed that the board were planning to look for a feeder club.

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    wow the 3D match engine is superb

    only played a friendly guiseley 2 leeds utd 5

    but the things i noticed my leeds players doing compared to fm10 was superb

    very good SI

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    92% let the good times roll!

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    Looking polished as ever, Newcastle looking good as always ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWalton View Post
    Looking polished as ever, Newcastle looking good as always ;)
    I blame Brock for that, was you feeding the Newcastle researcher again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Cox View Post
    I blame Brock for that, was you feeding the Newcastle researcher again?
    How rude!

    nomnomnomnom

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    Does this new "youth recruitment" feature determine a club's average regen quality?
    Its part of the formula now

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWalton View Post
    Looking polished as ever, Newcastle looking good as always ;)
    Except when they play Derby lol

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    I love when in TV match screen when you hover over the ball u can actually see who scored the goal! always did find it annoying in 2010.

    TV camera is W O N D E R F U L L

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    The agent negotiations are fantastic from the bit of negotiating I've done so far!

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    love the boardroom interaction, love the agents interaction i've dealt with so far

    even had 1 agent for ramon nunez (leeds utd) demand he has a high fee for him to sign ffs


    love it - hate light skin but that can wait

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    Amazing.

    Thats all I have to say.

    edit: I lied, its not all I have to say. I love the contracts now. The match prep. Watching the match and so much more
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    Can someone from SI comment why there is no dark skin please? And will there be one in the full game? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Can someone from SI comment why there is no dark skin please? And will there be one in the full game? Thanks.
    I'm not from SI, but I believe I'm right in saying there will be. It's a demo, relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick OGS20 View Post
    I'm not from SI, but I believe I'm right in saying there will be. It's a demo, relax.
    Its just both options were in last years demo.

    Also it says Zlatan will move to Milan in the summer from Barcelona. I understood that it was an option to buy and that Milan had not decided yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Its just both options were in last years demo.

    Also it says Zlatan will move to Milan in the summer from Barcelona. I understood that it was an option to buy and that Milan had not decided yet?
    Milan are obliged to buy - it's not an option.

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    Firstly thank you for bring out the demo at all and really glad i snuck in a quick 30 mins before shut eye.

    The game does look good and from the brief time I have been on it I can't wait to go back for more. Gotta find the next best wonderkid soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Can someone from SI comment why there is no dark skin please? And will there be one in the full game? Thanks.
    There is no dark skin or any additional skin to reduce the demo size as much as possible.
    Damn, people get a free demo and still find a reason to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Can someone from SI comment why there is no dark skin please? And will there be one in the full game? Thanks.
    Not in the box, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles Jacobson View Post
    Not in the box, no.
    Really? ur having a laugh right? bright white skins are the death of FM, due to the hours people play it none stop it really puts strain on my eyes especially, sitting there for 14 hours+ none stop needs a dark skin at release....seriously

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    I get a sense that these contract negotiations could become a skill to master against those pesky agents that want £100k for their role in the contract negotiations. I love it, feels more true to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    Milan are obliged to buy - it's not an option.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miles Jacobson View Post
    Not in the box, no.
    Thanks for clearing that up. Seems a strange move as the white hurts my eyes and I am not the only one!!! I would think it would have been a simple inclusion!! A bit disappointed!

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    Dunno if this should be posted here but everytime I try to start demo it says failed to setup graphics and crashes. Have installed directx but still no luck :-(

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    Hi Adamkemp2001

    Can you tell us a little about your system please. Have you updated your drivers recently? What Operating system are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamkemp2001 View Post
    Dunno if this should be posted here but everytime I try to start demo it says failed to setup graphics and crashes. Have installed directx but still no luck :-(
    I am also having the same proble, exactly the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Thanks.



    Thanks for clearing that up. Seems a strange move as the white hurts my eyes and I am not the only one!!! I would think it would have been a simple inclusion!! A bit disappointed!
    The dark skin wasn't available 'out of the box' for FM 2010 either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Cox View Post
    The dark skin wasn't available 'out of the box' for FM 2010 either.
    That's a shame, The first thing I tried to do is change it to the dark skin. The white does hurt my eyes, especially at 1am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Cox View Post
    The dark skin wasn't available 'out of the box' for FM 2010 either.
    Ok but if we buy the boxed version and install via steam do we get the dark skin? As we did last year.

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    First actual bug: Failed attempts to sign unattached players have come into my news as "<player> has rejected <club>'s offer of a new contract". Both of the ones I've had so far gave the reason "he has no interest in the position on offer". This doesn't make much sense.

    Edit: Actually, one of the players wasn't unattached, I was trying to sign him on a Bosman.

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    My first impression is: YAY! IT'S FINALLY OUT! This gives me a full day of awesomeness before I have to get back to work
    30% done right now. Can't wait!

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    Hmmm i don't really like the new way the positions are shown... all those ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) makes it messy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-IceMan View Post
    Hmmm i don't really like the new way the positions are shown... all those ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) makes it messy....
    I remember there were some not being sure about them internally when they were first introduced, but after a little while I think (hope) you'll see the benefit when identifying players by their position as it gives the user much more feedback than the previous model.

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    Also, love the new interactions, but I feel they look a little too cartoony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardi Golriz View Post
    Is this happening to you only after the assistant picks the team? Was it an isolated incident?
    It has only happened to me once so far, and that was when I got the assistant to pick my team so I could see what his thoughts were.

    It has also happened to another forum user that posted the issue just before I did, but I don't know much about their situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Madeley View Post
    It has only happened to me once so far, and that was when I got the assistant to pick my team so I could see what his thoughts were.

    It has also happened to another forum user that posted the issue just before I did, but I don't know much about their situation.
    Thanks for the tip Dan. I'll look into this one to see if I can uncover why this happened.

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    Misch:

    Post any attribute changes you would like to see on the Football Manager 2011 Data Issues Forum, that's what I did.

    Make sure you provide your reason as outlined in the first post of each thread within the Forum.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardi Golriz View Post
    I remember there were some not being sure about them internally when they were first introduced, but after a little while I think (hope) you'll see the benefit when identifying players by their position as it gives the user much more feedback than the previous model.
    Actually, I like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-IceMan View Post
    Hmmm i don't really like the new way the positions are shown...
    I love that change - much clearer.

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    Loving the conversations with players when you upset them, dropped barton to the reserves and he wasn't best pleased like.

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    looks cool so far. some players aren't changed very much but i suppose this was because data was locked. for example i would assume that people like Hernanes, Pastore, and Bale would be upped a bit in the first patch (usually not long after the full release, no? or is there a data update from demo to full release, i forget)

    Higuain - wow. he got upped bigtime. which i agree with, he is becoming a top top striker, however 19 finishing i would disagree with bigtime. he scores because he gets so many nice chances. more like a 14 or 15 finishing really.

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    I like it, doesnt seem THAT much different from last year in a strange way, even though it is.
    Much easier to navigate.
    Nicer graphics, like subs on/off etc.
    Played one match, based on that, match engine looks good. Game finished 3-1 to my Newcastle team, all 4 goals different.
    Players seems to be doing as they are told too - no consistantly stupid long range efforts which is rather nice.
    Im going to bed now, will play it a few hours in the AM and get a better feel but it certainly feels the part thus far.

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    Amazing amazing amazing however kevin bond believes robbie keane is the best striker at the club not a chance ! :P

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    The demo is also downloadable via Steam in Germany
    It's already quarter past two here and my download is at 30% It's going to be a long night..
    PS: Thanks for sharing the links so early!

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    First impressions, pretty good. Really like the contract negotiations and talks with players, more realistic media interaction as well. Slightly disappointed with the lack of differences from 10 in the way of scouting and training, but I'm sure they are really improved underneath.

    I feel I should mention that my best praise is reserved for the 3d, which is about 50 times better than in 10. I might actually use it now!

    All in all it looks like a brilliant job by everyone at SI towers!

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    3 friendlies in and Gyan breaks his arm. FML.

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    its so smexy xD

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    Tim Cahill's jumping at 14 is a bit of a joke i must agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vxKalisoxv View Post
    Tim Cahill's jumping at 14 is a bit of a joke i must agree.
    I'll give you seven reasons why it's not a problem.

    Heading 19
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    Determination 17
    Off the Ball 17
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    Strength 15

    Not many players are going to be better placed, more able to win a header, or more able to direct a header. Jumping is a small part of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playmaker View Post
    I'll give you seven reasons why it's not a problem.

    Heading 19
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    Bravery 18
    Determination 17
    Off the Ball 17
    Balance 15
    Strength 15

    Not many players are going to be better placed, more able to win a header, or more able to direct a header. Jumping is a small part of the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by playmaker View Post
    I'll give you seven reasons why it's not a problem.

    Heading 19
    Anticipation 18
    Bravery 18
    Determination 17
    Off the Ball 17
    Balance 15
    Strength 15

    Not many players are going to be better placed, more able to win a header, or more able to direct a header. Jumping is a small part of the equation.
    That's like me reeling off 7 stats that will make Cristiano Ronaldo a good winger and then telling you that because of those stats, his dribbling doesn't matter.

    Tim Cahill has an astonishingly good leap. It's freaky how high he can jump. So why is his jumping 14?!

    I don't want to read about how good his anticipation is. I just want to know why a player who is renown for jumping has poor jumping stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    That's like me reeling off 7 stats that will make Cristiano Ronaldo a good winger and then telling you that because of those stats, his dribbling doesn't matter.

    Tim Cahill has an astonishingly good leap. It's freaky how high he can jump. So why is his jumping 14?!

    I don't want to read about how good his anticipation is. I just want to know why a player who is renown for jumping has poor jumping stats.
    Nothing poor about 14. The whole Jumping thing has been reworked and you'll find a lot of players will have had Jumping reductions anyway.

    On a scale of 1-20, 14 is above-average - good, even. And he's a relatively short player himself.

    With the reworked guidelines, Cahill is miles ahead of the recommendations.

    14 is not poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch182 View Post
    That's like me reeling off 7 stats that will make Cristiano Ronaldo a good winger and then telling you that because of those stats, his dribbling doesn't matter.

    Tim Cahill has an astonishingly good leap. It's freaky how high he can jump. So why is his jumping 14?!

    I don't want to read about how good his anticipation is. I just want to know why a player who is renown for jumping has poor jumping stats.
    He does have a very good leap, no doubt about it and nobody is arguing. Those other attributes will mean that he is portrayed as per real life, not only having a good leap on him but making sure he is in a great position and has the desire and physique to get him a header and then to be clinical with it.

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