Can I retire a number?

**ArsenalFan7** · 31-07-2010 04:38

I want to retire the number 12 in honour of my fans.

The twelth man.

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 04:45

No, I don't believe you can. Would be a nice addition though.

**ArsenalFan7** · 31-07-2010 04:47

Not even with FMRTE?

Would also be good if you had like an epic legend and wanted retire the number in honour of him.

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 04:51

I wouldn't know then. I don't touch those sorts of programs.

**BurakUeda** · 31-07-2010 05:30

That would be a nice touch.

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 05:33

agree, i would be very happy with that feature.

**BenjiDavidson** · 31-07-2010 06:34

Whilst on this subject is number 23 retired at Manchester city in fm? as IRL it was retired in respect of the tragic death of marc vivien foe in the confederations cup vs france,

**Indran1412** · 31-07-2010 07:16

You can only retire a number for a particular player (normally club legends when they are retiring)

Otherwise you can't retire random numbers at your will.

It would be a decent addition though.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 07:27

it is not so easy to add this feature actually. imagine if someone, just for fun, retires all numbers. how would he register the players then? they should put it but add something like " you can retire up to 1-2 numbers at most"

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 07:30

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

it is not so easy to add this feature actually. imagine if someone, just for fun, retires all numbers. how would he register the players then? they should put it but add something like " you can retire up to 1-2 numbers at most"

I'm pretty sure the vast number of people have the common sense needed not to do this. No reason why the game should be "dumbed down" because there's a possibility people could be stupid.

**BuRnInGsUnZ** · 31-07-2010 08:43

what a nice idea though..or what about having a testimonial match for soon to be retired player? and i would love to see legend vs the world where retired legends up against current potential legend

**Aaron Armstrong** · 31-07-2010 09:48

Originally Posted by BenjiDavidson

Whilst on this subject is number 23 retired at Manchester city in fm? as IRL it was retired in respect of the tragic death of marc vivien foe in the confederations cup vs france,

I believe it is.

**Kenco** · 31-07-2010 10:05

Just don't ever assign number 12, then tell yourself it's retired.

**fmmillwallniall** · 31-07-2010 10:19

Just make it a board request

if someone is retiring, you could ask the board to retire a number, a option would cow up as normal saying 'the board has responded in a positive manner' and it will give ya a drop down menu for your retiring players. If the board deems that your retiree is worth it (based on apps for club perhaps) then it could work

**IMT** · 31-07-2010 10:21

No 23 is retired at Man City, and like Kenco says you could just not use the number 12?

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 10:56

yes you could just not use it but its not really what he is asking is it? eg. you have a player who is a legend for tyhe club, he retires so you stop assiging the number 11. You decide to move on to another job, as soon as you leave the club the AI manager would replace that number.

I think it would be a good feature. The basic coding is there as it exists at other clubs. A board request option for me is the way to do it.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 11:16

Originally Posted by Vic Taylor

I'm pretty sure the vast number of people have the common sense needed not to do this. No reason why the game should be "dumbed down" because there's a possibility people could be stupid.

I agree, but can you as a serious game making company risk your game being ruined because some people are stupid?

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 11:20

why not?

are there safeguards against people choosing a striker to play in goal every week and conceding 10 a game? Im sure that if someone is complaining that "the game is rubbish cause I retired all the squad numbers and now I cant choose any squad numbers" SI wont be apologetic, nor anyone else playing the game

DP · 31-07-2010 11:28

totally different. Retiring all shirt numbers will break the game meaning you can't continue and that's something a games company would never let you do, clearly.

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 11:38

but you could carry on, all leagues have a quota of players that dont need a squad number to play in the first team.

my opinion is that it should be a board option, allowing the 'game' to regualte it as i said in my previous post....clearly.....

**Egon** · 31-07-2010 11:39

Well, I suppose if they did bring it in then there could be a limit to the numbers retired- something like you can't retire more than 50 numbers, which would mean you always had at least 49 available.

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 11:45

i dont think they should let you retire anywhere near 50, i dont think many, if any, teams have more than 1 retired.

**Mojby** · 31-07-2010 11:45

tbh this is pretty pointless and should not be in the game. How many football teams actually retire numbers - maybe one shirt every couple of years if that, and only in extreme cases like the death of a player on the pitch.

In American Football they do do it for legends but again very rare nowadays.

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 11:48

i agree with your point but not with your reasoning. I believe that more shirts are retired for a legend of the club than a player dying on the pitch.

Edit: just looked it up, there are currently 72 numbers retired in world football, 9 are from players that have died or suffered accidents, 2 are for fans and 61 are for legends of the club retiring or leaving the club.

**Aaron Armstrong** · 31-07-2010 11:55

Another point to add to this, would a clubs manager really be the one in control of retiring squad numbers? I'm sure there would be some dialogue between the manager and the chairman, but ultimately the decision would surely be that of the chairman and board?

**NepentheZ** · 31-07-2010 11:57

I think the option should be there, but for rare occasions. Literally, once in a career rare. (Like, you have a 16 year old come through the ranks, he goes on to win 10 championships with you, 2 World Cups with his nation, play 800 games for you over his career, etc etc etc.

**NepentheZ** · 31-07-2010 12:03

Originally Posted by Aaron Armstrong

Another point to add to this, would a clubs manager really be the one in control of retiring squad numbers? I'm sure there would be some dialogue between the manager and the chairman, but ultimately the decision would surely be that of the chairman and board?

In the same breath, echoing a few other views here, a club manager could easily just not pick the squad number. This season will be the first time Arsene Wenger has given the number 6 shirt to a player, since Adams retired.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 12:05

i would say that:
the manager has to suggest retiring a number, the board to agree and ask the fans (actually not ask but if a player is among favourite players of fans)

**Neji** · 31-07-2010 13:10

I seem to remember someone getting the option to retire Maldini's number when he retired.

**ssestig** · 31-07-2010 13:22

Originally Posted by NepentheZ

In the same breath, echoing a few other views here, a club manager could easily just not pick the squad number. This season will be the first time Arsene Wenger has given the number 6 shirt to a player, since Adams retired.

Senderos wore it for a few years before leaving in the summer.

On topic: Would be a good idea of retiring up to 5 numbers.

**eshaan** · 31-07-2010 14:49

Even Moore's number at West Ham is retired.

**Johnlc** · 31-07-2010 14:51

I may be wrong but I think that irl spanish teams must use every number from 1-25 so retiring a number is not permitted.

**NepentheZ** · 31-07-2010 16:04

Originally Posted by ssestig

Senderos wore it for a few years before leaving in the summer.

On topic: Would be a good idea of retiring up to 5 numbers.

I didn't know that

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 16:52

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

I agree, but can you as a serious game making company risk your game being ruined because some people are stupid?

Yes. There are plenty of things in the game that could "break" the game. People could sell all their players, but there are no failsafes for that, is there?

**ArsenalFan7** · 31-07-2010 17:24

Originally Posted by Johnlc

I may be wrong but I think that irl spanish teams must use every number from 1-25 so retiring a number is not permitted.

I remember this as it was an issue for Sevilla with retiring a number for Antonio Puerta or something around that but I am working within Germany so it is no issue to me.

I however am not stupid enough to use this on too many occassions, I think we should be able to request it for a legendary figure who has done amazing things for the club, a legend of the generation. However if they ever add the ability for players sons to appear in game (i'm unaware if this feature exists) then their son could use that shirt number at the club.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 17:55

Originally Posted by Vic Taylor

Yes. There are plenty of things in the game that could "break" the game. People could sell all their players, but there are no failsafes for that, is there?

you cannot break the game by selling all the players. you can buy new ones. there is nothing to break the game as SI wouldn't leave it happen

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 17:57

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

you cannot break the game by selling all the players. you can buy new ones. there is nothing to break the game as SI wouldn't leave it happen

Well done for completely missing the point.

If you sell all your players and don't buy new ones then there will come a time when you can't continue the game. The common sense not to do this is the same needed not to retire all the available shirt numbers.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 18:23

once more. if you sell all your players you CAN continue the game by taking some actions. if you don't take any actions it is your fault. it would be like not clicking on the "continue" button. retiring all the numbers would make it IMPOSSIBLE to continue the game, therefore breaking it. Well done for completely missing the point.

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 18:28

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

once more. if you sell all your players you CAN continue the game by taking some actions. if you don't take any actions it is your fault. it would be like not clicking on the "continue" button. retiring all the numbers would make it IMPOSSIBLE to continue the game, therefore breaking it. Well done for completely missing the point.

Don't throw things I said back at me.

A feature which would allow you to retire squad numbers would also allow you to call numbers back. Therefore, it would not be impossible to continue the game if you retired all the squad numbers.

**Vangelis21** · 31-07-2010 18:35

retire means retire! you cannot retire and get it back after! does it happen in real life? what weould the point be? also, yes we said before that there are ways not to break the game but they have to figure it out

**ArsenalFan7** · 31-07-2010 18:37

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

retire means retire! you cannot retire and get it back after! does it happen in real life? what weould the point be? also, yes we said before that there are ways not to break the game but they have to figure it out

Sure you can.

All it takes is a request to the board. Plus anyway if it was applied SI should make it so that the board only allow real legends numbers to be retired.

**Vic Taylor** · 31-07-2010 18:43

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

retire means retire! you cannot retire and get it back after!

Yes, you can.

does it happen in real life?

Yes, it does.

what weould the point be?

Realism.

also, yes we said before that there are ways not to break the game but they have to figure it out

Again, it's common sense.

**Soninho** · 31-07-2010 19:16

Play as Malmo FF in the Swedish first division. They have retired nr. 12 to honour the fans!

**ArsenalFan7** · 31-07-2010 19:23

Sweden, meh,..

**aussieant32** · 31-07-2010 23:50

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

retire means retire! you cannot retire and get it back after! does it happen in real life? what weould the point be? also, yes we said before that there are ways not to break the game but they have to figure it out

there have been multiple occasions where shirts have been un-retired.

Argentina retired the number 10 for Maradona then made it usable again for the 2002 world cup, Dunfermeline retired the number 12 as a player died in 96 then re-issued it on 2000, Milan have aloso retired the number 3 for Maldini but have the option to issue it to his son if he plays there and thats just off the top of my head, im sure if you looked it up youd find alot of examples.

**Chalky1989** · 01-08-2010 01:16

I think if a player performs well for a club and is a legend, they should get the option to do it. For example, on my save in 2032-33(which I'm taking a break from), there's a player at my former Liverpool team, who is quite simply the best player ever, has tonnes of appearances, smashed the goals record( has about 500 in all comps), and is about 35 and still going strong. If I was still at he club, and he was retiring, I'd want to retire his number as a sign of quite how awesome he was.

**ArsenalFan7** · 01-08-2010 02:31

Originally Posted by aussieant32

there have been multiple occasions where shirts have been un-retired.

Argentina retired the number 10 for Maradona then made it usable again for the 2002 world cup, Dunfermeline retired the number 12 as a player died in 96 then re-issued it on 2000, Milan have aloso retired the number 3 for Maldini but have the option to issue it to his son if he plays there and thats just off the top of my head, im sure if you looked it up youd find alot of examples.

You're correct

Only have to look at this page to see alot of numbers have been unretired

**Falahk** · 01-08-2010 03:47

had the option to retire Totti's nr10 shirt in my Roma save when he moved on to do coaching for me, great stuff

**aussieant32** · 01-08-2010 03:49

Originally Posted by Falahk

had the option to retire Totti's nr10 shirt in my Roma save when he moved on to do coaching for me, great stuff

in FM 10? SO the option is already there?!

**Vic Taylor** · 01-08-2010 03:52

Originally Posted by aussieant32

in FM 10? SO the option is already there?!

Only for the selected few I believe, such as Totti and Maldini.

**aussieant32** · 01-08-2010 03:55

ahh ok, still news to me! Thanks for letting me know!

**ArsenalFan7** · 01-08-2010 04:08

Originally Posted by Vic Taylor

Only for the selected few I believe, such as Totti and Maldini.

Is there a list of players who this can happen to.

And how does it appear in your inbox?

**Vic Taylor** · 01-08-2010 04:10

Originally Posted by ArsenalFan7

Is there a list of players who this can happen to.

I'm sure there is, but I wouldn't know where to find it. Maybe search the forums and Google?

And how does it appear in your inbox?

I don't know that either, as I've never come across it.

**eldeniro** · 01-08-2010 06:03

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

once more. if you sell all your players you CAN continue the game by taking some actions. if you don't take any actions it is your fault. it would be like not clicking on the "continue" button. retiring all the numbers would make it IMPOSSIBLE to continue the game, therefore breaking it. Well done for completely missing the point.

If you sell all your players I'd imagine the game just provides you a bunch of 'greyed out' players to field for games. In the same way, if some moron retired all of the squad numbers, I'm sure we'd see a team fielded with the dreaded -1 that's all over FM10. So it's unlikely that it'd be a major problem, all of these little things seem to have ways of fixing themselves.

**Trilo_G** · 01-08-2010 12:38

You can break the game and I have done so. I needed 4 players home-grown at my club to enter the Champion's League, and I only had 3. Could not continue whatsoever. What really frustrated me was that one of the players was only on loan but could not be recalled. I found no solution to the problem and had to start again.

**Saner2oo2** · 01-08-2010 12:44

Originally Posted by Trilo_G

You can break the game and I have done so. I needed 4 players home-grown at my club to enter the Champion's League, and I only had 3. Could not continue whatsoever. What really frustrated me was that one of the players was only on loan but could not be recalled. I found no solution to the problem and had to start again.

Go on holiday and let the assistant manager solve it

**Neji** · 01-08-2010 13:04

Originally Posted by Trilo_G

You can break the game and I have done so. I needed 4 players home-grown at my club to enter the Champion's League, and I only had 3. Could not continue whatsoever. What really frustrated me was that one of the players was only on loan but could not be recalled. I found no solution to the problem and had to start again.

You didn't break the game, you just didn't search out a solution

I would advise against going on holiday in this situation. Instead, all you need to do it leave spaces. Basically an unregistered spot = home grown.

**Tyoldinho** · 01-08-2010 13:14

Originally Posted by Vangelis21

retire means retire! you cannot retire and get it back after! does it happen in real life? what weould the point be? also, yes we said before that there are ways not to break the game but they have to figure it out

Didn't Carragher retire from International football, and the come back again? As well as who ever mentioned about Maradona's number.

Your point makes no sense.

**Saner2oo2** · 01-08-2010 13:17

Originally Posted by Neji

Instead, all you need to do it leave spaces. Basically an unregistered spot = home grown.

Thats good to know, didnt know that.

**HarryMills** · 01-08-2010 13:36

As mentioned earlier, I was offered the chance to retire Maldini's number in FM09, it was a fantastic thing to happen. It would be great if it was included in some capacity in the new game.

**The Knowles** · 01-08-2010 23:51

As much as i would like to retire some players numbers, it is equally as much of an honour to just not re-issue that number until you have a player that is of an equal ability and quality of the player who previously wore it. For example some of the best players have worn the number 7 shirt at Man Utd:
Cantona, Ronaldo, Beckham, Best, Bryan Robson.

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