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    Courtesy of Foxmad...

    1) Arrange friendly for your reserve team against U18's in about 2 weeks time.

    2) Select all of your reserve team using Ctrl+A

    3) Move them all to either the first team squad or U18's.

    4) Continue a few times

    5) About a day later you will have a squad full of grey players.

    6) All of these will be amazing 19 year old .

    7) Offer them contracts and move to Senior team.

    8) Another lot will come through.

    9) This can be repeated as many times as you like and due to them demanding little wages is a sure fire way to get a better team.

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    are you sure they'll be top class? greys are usually capped with their PA so they'llonly be average conference players

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    The grey players that fill the gaps are usually rubbish though.

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    i'ev just tried it.

    set up a friendly with braga for the under18's.

    move all under 18s to first team.

    i now have a team of 16 year old greys who are all rubbish.

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    i didnt think u cud sign players who are grey, ?

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    Originally posted by fatboyjohnmulhern:
    i didnt think u cud sign players who are grey, ?
    You can offer contracts to your own grey players to make them 'real' players, you can't sign other teams grey players.

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    It depends what team you are. It works well for teams like Milan and Real Madrid.

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    is this for 07 or 08

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    The main thing here which is missing is it seems to only work in Italy.

    Try it with AC Milan and presuming you sign all the gray players in your reserves you'll find that Kaka will struggle to get on the bench.

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    Originally posted by Francis Cole:
    The main thing here which is missing is it seems to only work in Italy.

    Try it with AC Milan and presuming you sign all the gray players in your reserves you'll find that Kaka will struggle to get on the bench.
    Are you serious? This is... weird.

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    i tried it with liverpoiol. under18s and reserves and it didn't work.
    dont' suppose it matters much though it would be nice to get it fixed.

    could this mean that the return of the problem were the AI would sell their players and be playing greys for the rest of the gaem if they're that ogod.

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    I tried it with Liverpool too and it never worked but it was class for AC Milan.

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    Nice flaw

    example player 1

    Bug forum?

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    I tried it with Liverpool too and it never worked but it was class for AC Milan.
    oh my good god that is actually insane, i love it lol

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Nice flaw

    example player 1

    Bug forum?
    Also they are as good as they are generated. So they can not get better than what you can see. Still a nasty flaw however you look at it

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Nice flaw

    example player 1

    Bug forum?
    Mine's better!

    http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2...7161455da6.jpg

    But yes, this is obviously a major bug.

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    Just did it at Inter and every player is a leading star

    Crazy bug!

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    Does it only work in fm 08 with italian clubs or does it work in fm2007 with every club?

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    Does anyone with FM Scout fancy having a look at the CA/PA's of these players in FM07?

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    08 - Italian

    07 - Dunno

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    Does it work in 07?

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    Does anyone with FM Scout fancy having a look at the CA/PA's of these players in FM07?
    I haven't tried it in 07, but my coach reports (and the obvious attributes) suggest that these players would almost all be "leading stars at any Serie A side", while most of them have little or no potential for growth, quite possibly because they're all so good already.

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    How do people find these things out?

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    Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus:
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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    Does anyone with FM Scout fancy having a look at the CA/PA's of these players in FM07?
    I haven't tried it in 07, but my coach reports (and the obvious attributes) suggest that these players would almost all be "leading stars at any Serie A side", while most of them have little or no potential for growth, quite possibly because they're all so good already.


    Yup. It appears they appear with maxed out ca/pa. It seems they are as good (if not better) than your current squad. Nice little bug really.

    Strange thing is they are worth 0. Probably appear with 0 rep too!

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Strange thing is they are worth 0. Probably appear with 0 rep too!
    If you wait a while, they seem to pick up a value. This happens quite regularly when you sign youth players and the like onto a contract.

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    It is a cool bug init.

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    Originally posted by Sweet-Zombie-Jesus:
    How do people find these things out?
    I thought that.

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    It is a cool bug init.
    in a way but there is a HUGE chance of people exploiting it. I have sold half of Inter already and replaced them with the grays. One in particular is amazing.

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    Originally posted by Norville Rodgers:
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    Originally posted by Sweet-Zombie-Jesus:
    How do people find these things out?
    I thought that.


    Well perhaps they just took over at an Italian club that didn't have many reserve players, and saw one or two greys which looked good. And tried to make more. I've been at quite a few teams that haven't had many reserve players in the past, though always in England.

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    Bit of a joke really isn't it. You have a permanent source of income. Striker playing bad? Sell him and generate another

    In all seriousness though I can't see how this issue will not be adressed.

    Coolest bug I have seen

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    Sorry for the double post but:

    Who needs Viera?


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    Alternatively, SI could just leave this as it is. It would shut up all those people who ask for an easier difficulty level.

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    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P

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    this is obviously a bug but still wow. I have about 20 players like this !!!

    http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8...ungstermf9.png

    http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3...icture3wh3.png

    http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1...icture4kf6.png

    http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6...icture5iq2.png

    peronally i think it was my brilliant management and revamp of the youth system

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    I just started a game with Inter and I have found a class striker. 18 with 18 pace, acceleration, finishing and composure.

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    I have a striker with 20 technique,composure,heading,jumping and finishing

    Shut it down for now though. Going to have to show my house mates when they return.

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    I have a striker with 20 technique,composure,heading,jumping and finishing

    Shut it down for now though. Going to have to show my house mates when they return.
    dont tell them about the bug just say your an amazing manager

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    i know its been asked a few times, but i can't seem to find an answer, this bug is only in the 08 demo correct?

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    Originally posted by Blackcats:
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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    I have a striker with 20 technique,composure,heading,jumping and finishing

    Shut it down for now though. Going to have to show my house mates when they return.
    dont tell them about the bug just say your an amazing manager


    Working With Youngsters 20

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P
    Alurny.

    Always doing things for the greater good.

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P
    Alurny.

    Always doing things for the greater good.


    Sorry to spoil it but I can guarantee it will be a problem in the long run if not sorted. Think of those network gamers!

    No one will be able to play Italy and succeed without being hailed a cheater

    Grreat find Liam =) / Foxmad

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P
    Alurny.

    Always doing things for the greater good.


    Sorry to spoil it but I can guarantee it will be a problem in the long run if not sorted. Think of those network gamers!

    No one will be able to play Italy and succeed without being hailed a cheater

    Grreat find Liam =) / Foxmad


    Actually, I'm glad you did it. I was about to do the same thing. I'm sure there are others who agree, too.

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    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.

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    Originally posted by irish2101:
    i know its been asked a few times, but i can't seem to find an answer, this bug is only in the 08 demo correct?
    the demo is exactly the same to teh boxed edition. just without the ability to start a new game. and you can't go on holiday

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    Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus:
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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P
    Alurny.

    Always doing things for the greater good.


    Sorry to spoil it but I can guarantee it will be a problem in the long run if not sorted. Think of those network gamers!

    No one will be able to play Italy and succeed without being hailed a cheater

    Grreat find Liam =) / Foxmad


    Actually, I'm glad you did it. I was about to do the same thing. I'm sure there are others who agree, too.


    I could just see it ruining my annual hot seat game with my house mates where we always play italy. There would be trouble left, right and center!
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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.

    A bit later on I will did out a screen shot from 06 where my house mate and I found a player from shamrock (grey) with a stupid amount of 20's.

    We also had a save where Blackpool Mechanics had a squad of world class players but I don't know if we took a screenshot

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    Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus:
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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    quote:
    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Think they will want to know right?

    Sorry for reporting it :P
    Alurny.

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    Sorry to spoil it but I can guarantee it will be a problem in the long run if not sorted. Think of those network gamers!

    No one will be able to play Italy and succeed without being hailed a cheater

    Grreat find Liam =) / Foxmad


    Actually, I'm glad you did it. I was about to do the same thing. I'm sure there are others who agree, too.


    I know. I was only messing Alurny.

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.
    I remember similar occasions, too. I would dread an Italian opponent ever having an injury crisis. I might test it out later.

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.

    A bit later on I will did out a screen shot from 06 where my house mate and I found a player from shamrock (grey) with a stupid amount of 20's.

    We also had a save where Blackpool Mechanics had a squad of world class players but I don't know if we took a screenshot


    I wil dig* out a screen shot.

    Stupid typos!

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    Originally posted by postal postie:
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    Originally posted by irish2101:
    i know its been asked a few times, but i can't seem to find an answer, this bug is only in the 08 demo correct?
    the demo is exactly the same to teh boxed edition. just without the ability to start a new game. and you can't go on holiday


    ok then, is this bug on in the new game, and not in last years version?

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.
    i've seen that before but that is usually for quality teams of leagues you haven't got running, eg barcelona having only valdes as a goalkeeper so regenerating a much better grey player who always plays. This is different becuase you are running the league and its in your team these players excist, you can also create and infinate number of them at your will.

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    Originally posted by Blackcats:
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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.
    i've seen that before but that is usually for quality teams of leagues you haven't got running, eg barcelona having only valdes as a goalkeeper so regenerating a much better grey player who always plays. This is different becuase you are running the league and its in your team these players excist, you can also create and infinate number of them at your will.


    then keep them for a season then sell. Rinse, repeat. Keep generating new players. Sell the existing players. Wage bill minimal with unlimited resource of world class players. Yeah I think this is a little broken

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    I tried it with inter in fm07 and it didn't work

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    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???

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    fm 07 german national players bug allowed top class greys to play, always beat my england team!

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    I'll try now..

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    Originally posted by fatboyjohnmulhern:
    fm 07 german national players bug allowed top class greys to play, always beat my england team!
    That is a rights to he team issue not a bug

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    OK. This might be a good idea for a holiday game when the whole game is out.

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    I'll try now..


    No dice. Did it as Barca. They are all terrible. (So realistic then )

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    I'll try now..


    I just tried it, no players seem to be generated at all.

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    i think everyones having too much fun with there new inter or milan teams to bother, i know i am lol

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    Oh, thats strange that is.

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    Originally posted by Blackcats:
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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    i think everyones having too much fun with there new inter or milan teams to bother, i know i am lol


    lol, its great init.

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    Oh, I was doing it wrong. Still, it doesn't work as French or Spanish teams. Just Italian.

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried it with a spanish team???
    I'll try now..


    No dice. Did it as Barca. They are all terrible. (So realistic then )


    On further observation the Italian teams have generated good to top class greys. However this is probably due to the small database than a bug.

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    Has anyone tried with a middling Italian team???

    I would but I'm having too much fun being Inter!!!

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried with a middling Italian team???

    I would but I'm having too much fun being Inter!!!
    I am assuming they generate based on facilities and reputation and therefore will not be world class. Fiorentina's greys fro example were as good (if not slightly better) than their first XI.

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    Yeh, I was thinking that. What is Fiorientina's youth academy like?

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    Oh they are only good but Inter's is Excellent.

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Oh they are only good but Inter's is Excellent.
    this is loads of fun to mess with, but would like to see it fixed in patch

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried with a middling Italian team???

    I would but I'm having too much fun being Inter!!!
    I did just this to see what happened. I chose Genoa, and they produce loads of 'decent Serie B' players, but certainly not many, if any 'leading Serie A' players.

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    Originally posted by joshpmilton:
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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Has anyone tried with a middling Italian team???

    I would but I'm having too much fun being Inter!!!
    I did just this to see what happened. I chose Genoa, and they produce loads of 'decent Serie B' players, but certainly not many, if any 'leading Serie A' players.


    Looks like its based on facilities and reputation then. Oh and a bit of luck.

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    You should be able to get a report on your greys

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    You should be able to get a report on your greys
    Only if you sign them though right?

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    Yeah you can when you sign them but you should just be able to.

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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Yeah you can when you sign them but you should just be able to.
    Sorry misread your post.

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
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    Originally posted by Liam =D:
    Yeah you can when you sign them but you should just be able to.
    Sorry misread your post.


    Ok, lol

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    This is great! Shame it doesn't work in the Premiership - it would solve the problem of there being a lack of top English youngsters!

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    lol

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    Have been trying this with Juve. After doing two full "refreshes" of my reserve team, I already have two 19 year old forwards better than Trezeguet and Del Piero. Buffon will struggle to get in the team, Camoranesi and Nedved have been sold.....A great way to get around those irritating Champions League registration rules (when Juve qualify).

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    Wasn't someone asking just the other day who easy would it be make a fully home grown squad..?

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    I just won Real 3 - 2 with a squad full of "Greys"

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    I really hope this is fixed in the patch so it can shut you people up, well just 1 person really as he keeps posting about it everywhere

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    Originally posted by jonahno6:
    I really hope this is fixed in the patch so it can shut you people up, well just 1 person really as he keeps posting about it everywhere
    Come on mate, no need to be harsh. He found a bug that exploits the game and adds a little fun until the full game is released.

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    Originally posted by dn6603:
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    Originally posted by jonahno6:
    I really hope this is fixed in the patch so it can shut you people up, well just 1 person really as he keeps posting about it everywhere
    Come on mate, no need to be harsh. He found a bug that exploits the game and adds a little fun until the full game is released.


    ok i admit its a little harsh but liam =D is posting it everywhere and its annoying, soz everyone else

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    Originally posted by jonahno6:
    I really hope this is fixed in the patch so it can shut you people up, well just 1 person really as he keeps posting about it everywhere
    Cheer up charlie.

    Was there any need?

    He did a good thing raising the bug so it can be fixed. Try posting something constructive next time eh!

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    I've got a feeling this has been a problem for a while. I remember facing Messina in the CL with Braintree in FM06, they had a team full of world class looking grey players. They were a far better team than any of the other big European teams who had teams full of real players. I think they won the UEFA Cup without a real player in their team.
    thats because in inactive leagues, "fake" players are generated at an average talent of the team itself... So if barca sell their keepers, they get a free world class grey keeper.

    personally i think it should be capped at the talent of the ebst player who wouldnt have been loaded at any given database size...

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    Tbh courtesy of foxmad's a bit much.

    I read it in one of Francis Cole's posts and then just posted it in the AC Milan thread.

    Pretty cool bug really, I've replaced the whole of my AC Milan first 11, but now I've got like 50 world class players.


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    Point 1 - just watched Top Gear. Thank God that's back on TV.
    Point 2 - the problem with this bug is that you do just get too many players. My Juve squad (1st Team, Reserves and U20's) swelled to over 100! Still, it's fun anyway.

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    Hey this also works on the French quick start.

    It doesn't work on

    Spanish
    Scottish
    English

    i'm trying others as i write this.

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    /me starts a new game as Inter

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    Originally posted by duronal:
    Hey this also works on the French quick start.

    It doesn't work on

    Spanish
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    i'm trying others as i write this.
    I really wish this bug worked for England.

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    Originally posted by duronal:
    Hey this also works on the French quick start.
    i'm trying others as i write this.
    Really? It didn't work for me, with Lyon. I mean, I got players, but they were just the regular, useless greys, nowt special.

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    This bug isn't present in the following quick starts


    Portugal
    Scandinavia

    But it does feature in

    the brazilian start (with corinthians)

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    Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus:
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    Originally posted by duronal:
    Hey this also works on the French quick start.
    i'm trying others as i write this.
    Really? It didn't work for me, with Lyon. I mean, I got players, but they were just the regular, useless greys, nowt special.


    When i tried it with Lyon i got 2 midfielders similar to a good youth / rotation for first team level. Admittedly not the next ronaldinho..... but it still seems odd.

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    Wouldn't doing something like this take a lot of fun out of the game?

    It's like Quake with godmode.

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    Yes, it would.

    But it would be like another 'Easier' difficulty level

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    Hopefully this wont lead to SI deciding that you cant sign grey players

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    Originally posted by Pope of Pot, King of Nothing:
    Wouldn't doing something like this take a lot of fun out of the game?

    It's like Quake with godmode.
    But tbh, when I was getting killed over and over again in Doom I could do with going on godmode to try something fresh.

    I don't think it takes too much fun out of the game, I think winning is fun

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    I've said it before, I'll say it again.

    For active leagues, grey players should be CA 1/PA 1, period. No exceptions.

    I absolutely hate coming up against, say, Liverpool in a "small DB" league match and seeing that, because their starting GK got hurt, they've instantiated a god-like grey backup.

    Originally posted by Pipson:
    Hopefully this wont lead to SI deciding that you cant sign grey players
    As long as I can't sign the next Ronaldinho from my greys!!!

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