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    There is this thread, I suppose people could ask in there.

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by birdy123:
    Cultural Durango

    Are they playable in FM08?
    Sadly not, they were relegated in 2005/6 and haven't made it back up yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Originally posted by birdy123:
    That's a shame. Would have been a real difficult challenge.
    Just use Sestao River Club.

    Though only Athletic have the Basque only rule in the game officially, there are several Basque lower leagues.

    I think Sestao are the smallest.

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    Has anyone tested to see if Cultural Durango have a high enough rep to be promoted after the first season? Maybe there could be a Basque dafuge style challenge, taking control of Basque clubs that are unplayable at the start.

    You can use the filters to make sure you only buy Basque players as well. Just checked and as a Basque club (even without the rule stopping you buying non Basques) you can filter for Basque just as you can for Spanish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...football_clubs

    List of all the Basque clubs. There are even a few in France.

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    How about a thread like "What challenge should I join?"
    I don't know, I think as Dafuge said there is a Challenge guide that pretty much explains all the challenges (and there aren't really that many to choose from.). You could open it up to a "What team should I manage?", but such a thread has a high risk of turning useless. (If I see one I GQ it's mostly: "Hi I want to manage a team from League 2 and they have to have excellent facilities, 20k+-all seater, shitloads of money and about 11 top class players. Any ideas?").

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    Thought i'd post here and get a few opinions on a Sign up/experiment i'm thinking of starting.

    The general idea is that a new club has been formed by the FA to improve the standard of young British footballers. It will, in essence, be an academy which competes competetively in the English league, starting in the Blue Square Premier. But the primary role of the club is to gain the maximum potential from the UK's young talent, and produce the next generation of superstars. Rather than looking to acheive on a club level.

    The Academy club will have excellent facilities, a 10,000 seater top-of-the-range stadium and a healthy bank balance. As well as a small, but very talented staff. While the players will have a contract with the academy, I (as manager) will be obligated to accept any offer that is deemed to be in the players best interests, rather than holding on to players purely to do well in the league. For example, if Arsenal or Man Utd were to bid for a youngster it would be accepted. If Woking were to bid, then it would only be accepted if it was the players best chance of making a career for himself.

    The Academy will recieve a transfer fee for the players to cover the cost of running the club. However, the Academy itself can only sign players under the age of 21 and with English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish nationality. Players over 21 can play for the Academy side, subject to the aforementioned conditions.

    I will remain manager of the Academy for the entirity of the sign-up, even if I were to get fired ('unthinkable' I hear you cry!) in the interest of continuing the Academy's rules. If I do get sacked, I will make a new managerial profile and assume control so that there is an element of realism.

    This will be an experiment to see how such a club would work, and how successful it would be competing with only youth system products and home grown Under-21 signings. But this will be there primarily to compliment the sign-up.


    As for the sign-up aspect, of course, the players signing up will make up the first generation of Academy players. They will be used in the Academy's league campaign, for as long as it takes for a big club to sign them. One possibility is to have a random element to the PA. Not as drastic as iseemonsters' excellent "it could be you... who's crap!" sign-up. But maybe ranging from 180 to -10, or less. Players will choose from a set number of positions to fill the squad out and choose from a limited number of 20, 18 and 15 point attributes. And should the opportunity arise, players will have the choice as to what offers are accepted for their player (there will also be an option for a favourite/least favourite club to help this somewhat). Players will be able to choose their Nationality from any of the home nations, and can choose any second nationality if they wish.

    There will be regular updates (owing to my ridiculously easy job, borderline insomnia and large amount of free time!), at first tracking their performance in the Academy. Then going on to follow them throughout their career. While I will also keep you updated on the Academy experiment.


    Any ideas, comments or suggestions... have at you!

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    I like the idea

    Would definately join the sign up if you started it!

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    Originally posted by dafuge:
    Holiday Game Idea

    Does loading a league make a difference to the fortunes of the clubs and the country?

    This is an idea to test something I have always wondered, exactly how much of a difference does loading a league have?

    The idea is to report on the fortunes of the club and national teams from 10 countries over a prolonged period of time, comparing the loaded leagues against the unloaded leagues.

    The fixtures could look something like:

    Argentina vs Brazil
    England vs Spain
    Belgium vs Holland
    Denmark vs Sweden
    Northern Ireland vs Wales

    Where the home team is the loaded league and the away team is the unloaded league.

    Every season a comparison between the two countries could be made, comparing the clubs fortunes in continental competition using the club/nation coefficients and the nation's fortunes using the FIFA rankings. Reports could be made using a combination of rankings/coefficients and progress of individual clubs.
    I suggested this way back in November, but have only just thought about actually doing it.

    Would people be interested in it?

    Any further suggestions or improvements?

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    Sounds good to me.

    Can we go and play in Australia for the April challenge? I know it's early but...

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    Originally posted by minisav:
    Sounds good to me.

    Can we go and play in Australia for the April challenge? I know it's early but...
    I don't see why not.

    If you find an interesting team, just e-mail me towards the end of the month. I've chosen the last three but I was really hoping that people from the forums would suggest teams to use. I didn't get one suggestion this month

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    See how far a squad of ages over 33 can survive in the league?

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    I have been thinking of running a sign up game that could be the ultimate game.

    Premise would be loading every league in every country. My machine can handle it but it is kind of slow running, even with minimal, my league only detail level.

    Basically, the sign up would allow however many players sign up for any position they would like to play, wouldnt have to be a set number of each position.

    Deciding where each player starts could be done randomly or some other way but probably would limit the players to start on a team in the lower league or next one up.

    Object is to see who has the best carreer over the length of the game.

    Thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.

    peace

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    Hall of Fame Challenge

    I'm not sure if something like this has been done before or not but the idea hit me tonight as I was about to sleep....

    My idea was to load up the top leagues from 6 countries (one on each continent) and attempt to become the most successful manager not just that the world has ever seen, but that each continent has ever seen by reaching the top of the Hall of Fame tables for each continent.

    To begin with you would choose a continent to start your career off. Reputation for the manager would be set at Automatic and you would start at the lowest division in the country you chose for that continent.

    For example, if I decided to start in Europe and picked England as the country to conquer Europe from I would load all down the the Blue Square N/S and pick a team from that league. The 5 countries I pick on other continents would only have the top league loaded.

    This allows people to set their own difficulty level as they may decide to start in a country with few leagues to make it easier to get to the top or they could make it more difficult for themselves.

    Another factor in making things difficult would be the countries you choose. In Europe, countries such as England, Spain and Italy give many more points on the Hall of Fame for winning domestic titles than countries with lower reputation. The same goes for Brazil and Argentina in South America. If people wanted to make things really hard they would pick countries such as Chile or Romania that may require many more domestic titles to reach the top of the Hall of Fame.

    International management would be allowed if you earned the job.

    On my game I noticed that Oceania had no Hall of Fame so for that continent all that would be required would be to top the nation of Australia's Hall of Fame.

    An example of a possible choice of leagues is as follows...

    <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Europe - England (To BSN/S as starting nation for challenge)<LI>Asia - Indian National Football League <LI>Africa - South African Premier League <LI>North America - Mexican First Division <LI>Oceania - Australian Hyundai A-League <LI>Peru - First Division[/list]
    This is my first real idea to do anything on here so anything feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to know if it would be something anyone other than myself would actually be willing to give a go.

    I'm also hoping that I haven't been completely stupid and come up with something that isn't actually possible!

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    That's a very interesting challenge. It's got all the premise of a good long challenge (like dafuge's) but gives it twist so you really are a 'World Beater'.

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    I like the sound of that, it sounds very similar to the next type of game I might play. We could do with more challenges that involve moving clubs.

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    It's been blessed by dafuge. It must be good.

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    I shall make it official then I guess. Thanks guys!

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    I hope this hasn't been suggested i have looked but feel free to corect me if im wrong

    my challenge would be that you must start as reputation sunday league and must load at least 5 leagues and the challendge will be to win 5 countries top division and win one euro cup and one champians league.

    so what do u think???

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    'The Three Nations Challenge' by butts is effectively identical except it involves 3 leagues instead of 5.


    Sorry dude.

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    Hello everyone,

    On FMDiscussion I am currently running a sign-up/user action game. It is basically where I will manage a team of the sign-ups choice and they will make the crucial decisions. Players suggest to buy, what the expectations should be, what to offer youth players and if I should scrap the reserves. It would be like the MyFootballClub.com thing going on but based in FM. The thing is over there it is a small community so now many people want to do it. I am currently using the PM system which obviously can't be used on here. So any ideas/suggestion/helpers would be appreciated.

    Also I am contemplating whether or not I should upload the save game every week. People will go through the database looking for players and the such or improving the tactics and training, like coaches and scouts. I feel this isn't like a sign-up or a challenge or a holiday game but a good addition to this forum.

    So once again any advice, suggestion and helpers would be appreciated.

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    Hi everyone, this is my idea

    Win all trophies in England:
    Blue Square Premier
    Blue Square North or South (or if you want both!)
    League One and Two
    Championship
    Premiership
    FA Cup
    League Cup
    Johnstones Paint Trophy
    Setanta Shield
    FA Trophy
    Charity Shield
    (have I missed out any trophies?)

    You could do it with one team or as many teams as you want. Start unemployed, automatic experience and go from there.
    It will be interesting to see if anyone does manage it.

    For example, you might get promotion from one of the leagues but you have to revisit the league again to win promotion as champions!

    With another team? G
    et relegated to ensure you come back up as champions?
    Make sure you don't go up unless you can finish as champions?!!

    What do you guys think?

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    I have an idea for an AI Experiment, i don't have any interest in running it, as i already have a sign up, but for people like kipfish it seems a good idea.

    What Does The Board Care About?

    Okay so it is like this, you could do it at a club like Chelsea or Liverpool. You have two different versions. One the fans confidence in the manager is 1, and the board is 100. And in the other the fans is 100, and the board is 1. Just wondering what outcome in the experiment would be.

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    Okay, I know there have been a lot of ideas put forward recently, but I really feel this is a quite different challenge option.

    The State Hopping Challenge

    The aim of the challenge would be to win all of the 27 State Championships in Brazil, plus to win the Brazilian Cup and First Division with any club.

    You would have to start unemployed and make your way through all the states.

    I feel this could be quite interesting as it would be a long career game with the opportunity to play in a lot of different types of competition formats (Each state has its own crazy rules). It would be perfect for people that enjoy a bit of club hopping!!

    This is only a basic outline, but if people show an interest I would develop the idea, so any feedback would be appreciated

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    That would be an extremely long challenge. Atleast 27 seaons. That's crazy!

    Good challenge

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    Just wondering if there would be interest in an Italian version of Gundo/Dafuge's challenge? Something a bit easier than Gundo's but based in a bigger nation like Italy, France, Holland or Spain.

    I thought of starting a game in Italy, with the rules set down in these two challenges.

    I know it is not exactly original, but I am curious if setting up a game in the larger European nations is of interest to anyone, as it is likely to be an easier challenge.

    Ideas and suggestions welcome.

    Tell me if this idea sucks too

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    Originally posted by Alurny:
    Just wondering if there would be interest in an Italian version of Gundo/Dafuge's challenge? Something a bit easier than Gundo's but based in a bigger nation like Italy, France, Holland or Spain.

    I thought of starting a game in Italy, with the rules set down in these two challenges.

    I know it is not exactly original, but I am curious if setting up a game in the larger European nations is of interest to anyone, as it is likely to be an easier challenge.

    Ideas and suggestions welcome.

    Tell me if this idea sucks too
    Alurny, It's already been created here.

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    Originally posted by Gundo:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alurny:
    Just wondering if there would be interest in an Italian version of Gundo/Dafuge's challenge? Something a bit easier than Gundo's but based in a bigger nation like Italy, France, Holland or Spain.

    I thought of starting a game in Italy, with the rules set down in these two challenges.

    I know it is not exactly original, but I am curious if setting up a game in the larger European nations is of interest to anyone, as it is likely to be an easier challenge.

    Ideas and suggestions welcome.

    Tell me if this idea sucks too
    Alurny, It's already been created here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ta!

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    Originally posted by Vervatov:
    Hello everyone,

    On FMDiscussion I am currently running a sign-up/user action game. It is basically where I will manage a team of the sign-ups choice and they will make the crucial decisions. Players suggest to buy, what the expectations should be, what to offer youth players and if I should scrap the reserves. It would be like the MyFootballClub.com thing going on but based in FM. The thing is over there it is a small community so now many people want to do it. I am currently using the PM system which obviously can't be used on here. So any ideas/suggestion/helpers would be appreciated.

    Also I am contemplating whether or not I should upload the save game every week. People will go through the database looking for players and the such or improving the tactics and training, like coaches and scouts. I feel this isn't like a sign-up or a challenge or a holiday game but a good addition to this forum.

    So once again any advice, suggestion and helpers would be appreciated.
    I quite like the idea of having voting for players to sign/the starting XI, etc.

    Would be interesting if someone wanted to run it.

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    Holiday Game Idea

    This is an idea that is still a work in progress, basically inspired by a few of the ideas I have seen around the forum. I am looking to set up a brand new team in the lower leagues for a long term holiday game. So I have been wracking my brains for ideas.

    This is what I have got so far some any feedback or extra ideas would be welcome. A side that has a good spine of players GK, DC, MC, FC, with a few mediocre players, but the side with have feeder clubs from one top side in Spain, Italy and England. The backroom staff will comprise of out of work managers.

    This is what I have so far and will hopefully add to the criteria, maybe by making it harder for them. I might not give them any money to start with but with plenty of room to grow financially and see how the club utilise that.

    I may also use a save game editor along the way to mess around with different aspects of the game and see how they work out.

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    Originally posted by birdy123:
    Leeds United Challenge

    Thought this would be interesting because of the points deduction.

    There would be a points system involved, with points awarded for final league position, goals scored, rounds reached in each cup, and anything else I may have missed. It's a vague idea in this stage, but I hope to make this a successful one-season challenge.
    God I'm not the only one, but my idea is similar to this (see 2 season challenge thread)

    Come on people sign up and see who can manage the same team the best

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    Originally posted by Andyh60:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by birdy123:
    Leeds United Challenge

    Thought this would be interesting because of the points deduction.

    There would be a points system involved, with points awarded for final league position, goals scored, rounds reached in each cup, and anything else I may have missed. It's a vague idea in this stage, but I hope to make this a successful one-season challenge.
    God I'm not the only one, but my idea is similar to this (see 2 season challenge thread)

    Come on people sign up and see who can manage the same team the best </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I posted this on the 3rd of November. 8 days before you signed up to the forums. How is my idea similar to yours? If anything your idea is similar to mine.

    In all niceness ofc

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    [/QUOTE]

    I posted this on the 3rd of November. 8 days before you signed up to the forums. How is my idea similar to yours? If anything your idea is similar to mine.

    In all niceness ofc [/QUOTE]

    Well I didnt see this when posting mine the other day did I but yeah of course you did yours first but hey what do you want to do?

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    Something like this may exist... But I can't recall seeing it.

    U21 International Challenge

    Basically, you take control of any international nation you want, and, using players that are 21 or under when you take over, win as many competitions as you can. Points will be on offer for certain competition wins.

    That's a really rough idea of what I am thinking of, but I think you can get the jist of it.

    Any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

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    Shameless bump.

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    Originally posted by birdy123:
    Shameless bump.
    What's up birdy?

    Any interest in my challenges, new one being "beat real life for 07/08" ?

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    Just hoping for some feedback on my idea.

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    Originally posted by birdy123:
    Something like this may exist... But I can't recall seeing it.

    U21 International Challenge

    Basically, you take control of any international nation you want, and, using players that are 21 or under when you take over, win as many competitions as you can. Points will be on offer for certain competition wins.

    That's a really rough idea of what I am thinking of, but I think you can get the jist of it.

    Any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
    Could be interesting, although what are the chances of getting sacked during the first couple of years?

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    Pretty high. You have to get the right balance of a team that has a good enough reputation to have good youth players, but a team not predicted to do too well in competitions.

    A lot is based on tactics as well to cope with such a young side.

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    The only experience I have of doing international challenges are the San Marino double one and one they had for FM 2005. You had to win the World Cup with uncapped players. You let them get qualified themselves and you did the rest. T'was surprisingly easy!

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    I have an idea for a rival club/nation sign-up. It's still n the planning stages as it will require a lot of database editing but I thought I'd run it by everyone here before proceeding.

    As it is possible to have clubs in a national league who are not from that nation (e.g. San Marino in Italy, Toronto FC in MLS, New Zealand Knights in the Aussie league etc), I thought I could create two clubs from two new nations. Both clubs and nations would be set up as fierce rivals and placed in the same league and continental federation. Then I create players by starting a sign-up.

    The thread would then have two main points to follow:- How do your players fare? How long do they stay at the club before moving on? Who will make it to the top?
    - How do the two clubs and nations fare against each other? Who will come out on top in the head-to-head rivalry?

    I would set club and nation details to be the same to ensure an even starting point. I think it would be cool to be able to follow your players progress and be a part of the rivalry - that's why nations are included so even after players leave the clubs, thye will still come back to the national side to face off.

    Would it be workable?

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    Originally posted by DodgeeD:
    I have an idea for a rival club/nation sign-up. It's still n the planning stages as it will require a lot of database editing but I thought I'd run it by everyone here before proceeding.

    As it is possible to have clubs in a national league who are not from that nation (e.g. San Marino in Italy, Toronto FC in MLS, New Zealand Knights in the Aussie league etc), I thought I could create two clubs from two new nations. Both clubs and nations would be set up as fierce rivals and placed in the same league and continental federation. Then I create players by starting a sign-up.

    The thread would then have two main points to follow:- How do your players fare? How long do they stay at the club before moving on? Who will make it to the top?
    - How do the two clubs and nations fare against each other? Who will come out on top in the head-to-head rivalry?

    I would set club and nation details to be the same to ensure an even starting point. I think it would be cool to be able to follow your players progress and be a part of the rivalry - that's why nations are included so even after players leave the clubs, thye will still come back to the national side to face off.

    Would it be workable?

    Sounds like a good idea.

    Certainly 'do-able', although for making a new nation it might be easier to convert an existing nation, ie: Pick a country that has few players on the FM database in it and then remove all players of that nationality.

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    Originally posted by Walcott's Wonderkids:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DodgeeD:
    I have an idea for a rival club/nation sign-up. It's still n the planning stages as it will require a lot of database editing but I thought I'd run it by everyone here before proceeding.

    As it is possible to have clubs in a national league who are not from that nation (e.g. San Marino in Italy, Toronto FC in MLS, New Zealand Knights in the Aussie league etc), I thought I could create two clubs from two new nations. Both clubs and nations would be set up as fierce rivals and placed in the same league and continental federation. Then I create players by starting a sign-up.

    The thread would then have two main points to follow:- How do your players fare? How long do they stay at the club before moving on? Who will make it to the top?
    - How do the two clubs and nations fare against each other? Who will come out on top in the head-to-head rivalry?

    I would set club and nation details to be the same to ensure an even starting point. I think it would be cool to be able to follow your players progress and be a part of the rivalry - that's why nations are included so even after players leave the clubs, thye will still come back to the national side to face off.

    Would it be workable?

    Sounds like a good idea.

    Certainly 'do-able', although for making a new nation it might be easier to convert an existing nation, ie: Pick a country that has few players on the FM database in it and then remove all players of that nationality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's what I was planning to do . I ran a test this morning replacing Puerto Rico and Turk/Caicos Islands and placing two clubs in the MLS. It seemed to work but Puerto Rico weren't put into the World Cup Qualifiers so I'd have to pick somewhere else... I would put the national reputation up as well to ensure competitivity.

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    Yeah I wouldn't use the MLS as they have picky rules about players in their squad. I reckon Europe or Asia would be the best nations to choose.

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    Originally posted by Walcott's Wonderkids:
    Yeah I wouldn't use the MLS as they have picky rules about players in their squad. I reckon Europe or Asia would be the best nations to choose.
    Yeah, I was put off in my test run. I thought I would give the teams a strong youth set-up to provide competition to the original sign-up players later on but with the MLS draft, no youth players seem to come through at the main clubs. Any suggestions on which leagues to put them in?

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    I'm running another test using the Dutch league (I think that will give a chance for the new clubs to do well in Europe but also offer the players a chance to step up). The countries may not be based in Europe, however... (all will be revealed at a later date)

    Hopefully, I can get this up before the end of this Easter weekend and have the full game running within a week (If I can tear myself away from Warcraft for long enough )

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    Originally posted by DodgeeD:
    I'm running another test using the Dutch league (I think that will give a chance for the new clubs to do well in Europe but also offer the players a chance to step up). The countries may not be based in Europe, however... (all will be revealed at a later date)

    Hopefully, I can get this up before the end of this Easter weekend and have the full game running within a week (If I can tear myself away from Warcraft for long enough )

    Cool, sounds like this could be a decent sign up.

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    I am something of a lurker in this forum, taking particular interest in the long-term challenges and of course the Bandits. Now sign ups do nothing for me - I don’t get the point, really – but have thought of something in between, inspired slightly by niresearch’s idea of others playing NapentheZ’s NI game.

    Apologies if this has been suggested and shot down already.

    I would say it’s either a relay, or if you like, a game of pass the parcel. Basically, a career game played out by a succession of managers.

    In summary, it goes like this: the first participant will set up a game. They will manage a club for a period of say two years. After that, they upload it and pass it on to someone else, who sees how they can improve things over the next two years, and so on. Whoever is carrying the baton would post a report every few months and an end of season summary. Thus, over the life of it, each person gets to stamp their managerial style on the team (and given the breadth of views on tactics, players etc, that could be interesting) and brag about their successes and their influence on the clubs history. They would also need to prepare a team report, say who they think should be kept, dumped, weaknesses in the team, where things went wrong, etc…up to the next person if they take it on board or ignore it all. Kudos to those who get promotion, and fill the trophy cabinet, widespread scorn on those bringing relegation.

    Without spending forever on an idea no-one might go with, here are some issues to be overcome and variables to be considered:

    - Major issue: might be of little interest except to those taking part. Hence floating the idea here…
    - No. of participants: it would probably be necessary to make a list at the start and assign an order, which would obviously have to be flexible to allow for other commitments. Do we have a set number (say 5 or 6) and each gets 2 or 3 stabs at it over time? Doing so might detract further from other people’s interest. Then WHO should take part? Maybe only particularly active forum members, therefore, by invitation (thus helping guarantee a well written story develops), or first come first served?
    - Nation– I would say English as it’s the largest structure. I’m thinking a small club to big club theme….
    - Club – either edit a new one specially, do it through vote or do it as per the Dafuge challenge? OR holiday for a few years and take over a ‘fallen giant’? (Might make the file size prohibitive)
    - How long – I would suggest 2 seasons, 2 weeks (real time), or until sacked, for each participant. Gives time to make a mark and shape a team, but also keeps it moving. Or should it be ‘winner stays on’ – if you get promoted, you get first crack at the new league?
    - The manager – is it Mr Challenges Forum, or does each person add themselves anew?

    Thoughts?

    Disclaimer: I’m swamped at work and really couldn’t do the organization initially…just sharing the idea. Also, I’m sure there’s someone with more writing experience here who could do it more justice….?

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    Thats quite a cool idea.

    I wouldn't get involved as I have other commitments but I would read with extreme interest how others are doing

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    I would play although I would just get them relegated

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    I personally think this is a great idea. This would make for interesting fodder for any debate about who is the best at this game we all love.

    Only suggestion/change I would make is extending it to three seasons per manager. Two years isnt quite enough to make a dent and if you get the next two seasons and the person before you really blew it, could be very hard on you to make a difference ovdr the next two years.

    I think I would allow managers to come back for more at the bottom of the list if they choose too.

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    Cool idea

    For a more direct comparison, you could have everybody set up the same game at the same time and give a time limit in which to complete 2/3 seasons. Then the best performing manager (could be decided by final league position, trophies won or hall of fame ranking) uploads their save and everyone continues from the same point. This way, nobody is waiting on someone else to finish and newbies can join whenever.

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    Cheers for the feedback. Sounds like it might be a goer.

    DodgeeD, I also think that spin has merits but is different to what I thought of...it would be interesting, but would detract from the story element of it, making it competitive instead.

    What I see is more where someone is reporting on their progress and you have a load of people questioning their decisions (especially the previous and next guy in line)...sort of like real management in that regard, but perhaps more an 'interactive' version of the Bandits.

    Other random thoughts:
    - would it be beneficial to start with fictional players to make it really challenging - esp to anyone who's done the Dafuge challenge? Or would that serve to detract from it?
    - non-cheating rules would apply (including corner bug, but no nazi-style LLM rules on scouting ).
    - if someone wants to do it for a season only, that would be up to them

    If I get some more feedback and ideas and find the time I'll put together a thread and think about kicking it off myself.

    Would be nice to hear from some of the big hitters in the forum as to whether they'd be up for showing off their skills...

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    bermybhoy This a very unique idea and think it will be very interesting watching it progress for both Users taking part and posters alike.

    I personally would keep to real in game player names, for general interest of the thread.

    One season only per User sounds like a better option aswel, just in the interest of keeping it fresh (even if it was like a sort of round robin thing, where by once each of the users have completed a season each it then goes back to the first person on the list).

    You could name the manager after one of the Forum player legends; Danny Roberts, Kyle Wilson, Patrick Burda or Paul Wallace? That'd be a cool touch.

    Just an idea but... you could hold some kind of voting ballot for things like what Nation to start in, the club (new edit/existing real?) and the level at which to start at ect.

    Cracking idea though.

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    In principal I like the idea although with a few tweaks it could be made very, very good game.


    Right the set-up.

    I'd go with a small club to big club challenge definitely, and probably in England. So any team from either the Blue Square North or South.
    I think one season per manager would be adequate. I'm not sure on the number of participants but I definitely think that one or two of the more established members would be better to start off, then the less established but very active memebers.
    I think 1 week of real time would be enough to fininsh the season but if the season is finished before the week is up then the next week and the next season can begin.
    I think one manager would be fine aswell and 'Paul Wallace' is the ideal man for the job.
    I reckon fictional players would add to the whole story side of it and it also means that people can't cheat and buy top players they know from other games to run riot in the lower leagues.
    I play be LLM rules so I'd do it that way but there's no problem with anyone else playing however they like.


    I think that's covered everything mentioned so far. Great idea and any questions or thoughts, just ask.

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    Yep I'm more than happy to play a season or 2, just have to let me know when and who etc etc. Ill be happy to take say the 4th or 5th season so there is some decent history for the club

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    I also think this is a very good idea but agree that fictional players are needed because otherwise the people at the start will get an advantage as they will be able to buy all the best players. I think it would also add a real challenge if it was a small club to a big club scenario. One year per manager should be long enough but some people who are busy with other things might need longer than a week of real time. But overall this is a very orginal idea and i would be behind you if it goes ahead

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    Use fictional players

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    Hi i hope this hasnt been done but my idea would be an AI experiment

    The basic idea would be the team with the most reputation and the one with the least i would give the lowest rep team a great chairman and manager and i would give the highest ranked club a poor chairman and manager i would do the same for both blue square north and south .

    The experiment would be to see what manager leeves the teams first but manly to see what diffrence a poor/good chairman/manager would have on a club.

    Thoughts please.

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    Im currently thinking of doing a new signup, something which im sure and hopefully has never been done before but im i cant decide which league I should run it in

    im obviously considering the big leagues such as england, spain, italy, france but would like to know which league, either 1 of them or another league will be exciting for a signup considering the ones currently being used already

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    I’ve been wanting to try my hand at a sign up for a while now but I’ve been struggling to come up with anything original however I think I may have something so I thought I’d put it in here and see what people thought.

    OK so I know from reading the off topic thread a few people have been competing in BATracer, although I’m not entirely sure how it works it doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s some sort of F1 game/simulation, whatever. As a keen F1 fan myself I sat down to watch the race in Bahrain on Sunday while I quickly checked to see how my guys were getting on in the sign ups I’m participating in. Then suddenly from nowhere I thought “I wonder if you could cross FM and F1 and turn it into a sign up?”

    So I got to thinking and after a while I came up with this idea. Basically we follow the F1 structure, we have the individual drivers or in this case players and then we have the constructers.

    At the moment there are 11 constructors in F1 and as far as I know there are no leagues in FM with 11 teams so I set out to find a league with 10 or 12 teams and promptly came across the Scottish Premier League with 12 and the rest of the Scottish leagues with 10 so for my example here I’ll use the Scottish leagues.

    So using the SPL we’ll have 24 “drivers” and 12 “constructors”. The drivers will all be strikers created by people who want to take part. As you sign up you pair yourselves up and create the constructors, once you have your team you come up with a name together and then are both sent to an SPL team. Once all 12 “constructors” are at their respective clubs the season can begin.

    “Races” will consist of one calendar month in FM, points are awarded for appearances and goals and deducted for cards, then at the end of the month the person with the most points wins the “race” and is awarded 10 points as in F1 2nd place gets 8 points etc. Then the next month begins and a new “race” begins and when the season draws to a close we’ll have a “drivers” champion and a “constructors” champion.

    Obviously it’s not a completely accurate representation of F1, I personally can’t think of a way to work in any sort of qualifying session no matter how hard I try and obviously not much is going to be the same in these two completely different sports. But if you just think for a minute, a twisted ankle at the start of the month keeps you out for two weeks OR you get a bad start off the grid and drop 10 positions before you’ve got to the first corner. A dead leg halfway through the month keeps you out for the next 2 weeks and puts you out of contention OR you spin into the gravel track and hit the tyre wall, ending your race. You get sent off and handed a 3 match ban OR speeding in the pit lane and handed a drive through penalty. I could go on for a while with more with comparisons but I’m sure you get the idea.

    Now although the two drivers will start at the same club it’s very unlikely that any of them will stay there let alone everyone stay at their starting club, however once your player moves clubs he is by no means out of the sign up, he continues to score points as before and is still in the same team as before.

    Obviously the end of the season will bring about the end of our F1 season. Once players have moved clubs points will be scored until the end of the season wherever they’re playing so just because the players in Scotland have stopped playing it doesn’t mean players in Spain will miss out and they will still score points and maybe have a chance to get an easy win if no one else is playing (maybe that needs some thought as it might be a bit unfair, thoughts on that would be appreciated)

    Also I was thinking that during the closed season I’d give you guys a chance to swap teams if your not happy with your team mate or you just don’t think the engine will make the grade next year But this might cause a bit of agro with people arguing over who wants to go where and such, so again thoughts on that please.

    I think that’s all, obviously it’s quite long and I hope nobody has done it before because if they have it’s a lot of time I’ve wasted thinking about it and typing it all out but let me know what you think hopefully it’s a good idea if not, back to the drawing board.

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    I personally think it's a quite a good idea and a very creative one at that. Well posted and thought out, I understand what you're saying and all so well done.


    from me, and I quite like the idea of putting a becoming an Aberdeen legend.

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    The F1 idea is great!

    Has anyone ever considered a team made up of current players' sons?

    For Example: A new BSS/BSN team filled ( and managed) by footballers' sons.

    The players would already be chosen but there would be no stats. This would be up the sign upies to decide.

    Here are some example players: Brooklyn Beckham,
    Jon Alonso ( Xabi Alonso) and James Owen

    The idea would be to see how far they could get within the english structure.

    Feedback welcome

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    Originally posted by Whoopy D:
    I’ve been wanting to try my hand at a sign up for a while now but I’ve been struggling to come up with anything original however I think I may have something so I thought I’d put it in here and see what people thought.

    OK so I know from reading the off topic thread a few people have been competing in BATracer, although I’m not entirely sure how it works it doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s some sort of F1 game/simulation, whatever. As a keen F1 fan myself I sat down to watch the race in Bahrain on Sunday while I quickly checked to see how my guys were getting on in the sign ups I’m participating in. Then suddenly from nowhere I thought “I wonder if you could cross FM and F1 and turn it into a sign up?”

    So I got to thinking and after a while I came up with this idea. Basically we follow the F1 structure, we have the individual drivers or in this case players and then we have the constructers.

    At the moment there are 11 constructors in F1 and as far as I know there are no leagues in FM with 11 teams so I set out to find a league with 10 or 12 teams and promptly came across the Scottish Premier League with 12 and the rest of the Scottish leagues with 10 so for my example here I’ll use the Scottish leagues.

    So using the SPL we’ll have 24 “drivers” and 12 “constructors”. The drivers will all be strikers created by people who want to take part. As you sign up you pair yourselves up and create the constructors, once you have your team you come up with a name together and then are both sent to an SPL team. Once all 12 “constructors” are at their respective clubs the season can begin.

    “Races” will consist of one calendar month in FM, points are awarded for appearances and goals and deducted for cards, then at the end of the month the person with the most points wins the “race” and is awarded 10 points as in F1 2nd place gets 8 points etc. Then the next month begins and a new “race” begins and when the season draws to a close we’ll have a “drivers” champion and a “constructors” champion.

    Obviously it’s not a completely accurate representation of F1, I personally can’t think of a way to work in any sort of qualifying session no matter how hard I try and obviously not much is going to be the same in these two completely different sports. But if you just think for a minute, a twisted ankle at the start of the month keeps you out for two weeks OR you get a bad start off the grid and drop 10 positions before you’ve got to the first corner. A dead leg halfway through the month keeps you out for the next 2 weeks and puts you out of contention OR you spin into the gravel track and hit the tyre wall, ending your race. You get sent off and handed a 3 match ban OR speeding in the pit lane and handed a drive through penalty. I could go on for a while with more with comparisons but I’m sure you get the idea.

    Now although the two drivers will start at the same club it’s very unlikely that any of them will stay there let alone everyone stay at their starting club, however once your player moves clubs he is by no means out of the sign up, he continues to score points as before and is still in the same team as before.

    Obviously the end of the season will bring about the end of our F1 season. Once players have moved clubs points will be scored until the end of the season wherever they’re playing so just because the players in Scotland have stopped playing it doesn’t mean players in Spain will miss out and they will still score points and maybe have a chance to get an easy win if no one else is playing (maybe that needs some thought as it might be a bit unfair, thoughts on that would be appreciated)

    Also I was thinking that during the closed season I’d give you guys a chance to swap teams if your not happy with your team mate or you just don’t think the engine will make the grade next year But this might cause a bit of agro with people arguing over who wants to go where and such, so again thoughts on that please.

    I think that’s all, obviously it’s quite long and I hope nobody has done it before because if they have it’s a lot of time I’ve wasted thinking about it and typing it all out but let me know what you think hopefully it’s a good idea if not, back to the drawing board.
    Really good idea, the points system is very interesting, although you would only have around 9 "races" a season to start with.

    Would the real F1 drivers be put in the database? Would be funny to see Felipe Massa or Lewis Hamilton toping the goalscoring charts

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    wow a really refreshing idea there Whoopy D! Sounds absolutely fantastic!

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    Not sure if this type of idea has ever been suggested or tried and I have no time to read all the sign up post and what not, so I will just put it out there and see what yall think.

    I am currently awaiting my turn in the Wallace v Roberts sign up and the way it is being run hsa given me an idea for a larger challenge so to say.

    Here is the premise: Pick any league you want to run this in and get the required number of managers to sign up. Once all the teams in that league are assigned, the game can begin.

    The same save game file would be passed along from the first manager to the last (then back to the moderator/games master) and then a set amount of time would be run off and the process would start over again.

    The person running this (could be a participant as well) could then post necessary info and news items and again the file is passed from one manager to another to make moves and the like and over and over and over, thus giving a new way of running a league with other managers without everyone having to be able to be online at the same time.

    I envision a set period of days, say monday and friday or monday/tuesday and friday/saturday for moves and such and then off each turn goes.

    Any thoughts and comments would be appreciated.

    Just an idea

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    Not too sure I get you - if I understand you right, I don't think it would work - if you have mulitple managers playing, it has to be on-line or on a hotseat basis, otherwise you wouldn't be able to move the game forward. The other main issue seems to be getting enough people interested...

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    Apologies. I think I do get what you're saying after all. Everyone would 'do stuff' on the same turn then the game would advance for, say a week or two?

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    Right chaps, a challenge idea I have just come up with after reading this guardian article. Half way down, there is a discussion on the record number of league wins with different clubs in the same country. It seems the record is 4 - so the challenge would be - beat that.

    So just wanted some advice. First and most important - I don't have that much time and might struggle find time to try it myself (I haven't even finished a season of FM since doing my Wallace season), so might be a bad start if I'm not even showing strong involvement myself.

    Second, assuming the first doesn't just kill it dead, any advice on ground rules welcome. I was thinking with the nature, no point starting in lower divisions, but it's there as an option. Guess it would be sensible to load them up in case there's no top division teams to move on to. Other than that...what once it's completed? Do it in another country? Take over the national team? Win the CL? Any thoughts welcome...

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    Hi i hope this hasnt been done but my idea would be an AI experimentHi i hope this hasnt been done but my idea would be an AI experiment

    The basic idea would be the team with the most reputation and the one with the least i would give the lowest rep team a great chairman and manager and i would give the highest ranked club a poor chairman and manager i would do the same for both blue square north and south .

    The experiment would be to see what manager leeves the teams first but manly to see what diffrence a poor/good chairman/manager would have on a club.

    Thoughts please.



    Anyone?

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    @city: No idea if its been done before. Kinda interesting. Although experiments aren't my cup of tea.

    @bermybhoy: I like it Another country would be cool. But then you've gotta beat the new record

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    I've come up with a bit of a strange idea. Lots of celebs have children and what if these children didn't want to be in the limelight

    My idea is a sign up game in which everyone creates a son of a famous person. The aim then is to see how quickly they can get relegated out of the Premiership and then ultimately out of the football league.

    It's probably a rubbish idea but if anyone likes it i'm keen to give it a go.

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    The problem is, most people take part in sign-ups to see their player succeed, and do well.

    For a lot of people, all the fun is in how many goals they score in a season, how well the team does, etc. If you remove this element, then people would be less inclined to sign up.

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    My "experiment" would be based around another users now dead experiment of switching the MLS and SPL around, so that we can see how well American teams do in Europe etc. (All four scottish divisions would be filled with American/Canadian teams, and they would become 'Scottish' Clubs)

    Also, I would swap the A-League and the Belorussian leagues around, so that the Aussies can try to crack Europe as well! I'm currently testing how the game handles the American teams, but i'm unsure how long it could take!

    Also does anyone know if there is relegation from/promotion to from the bottom-most Belorussian league (First)?

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    Just on a note about the continents challenge, the reason there is no Hall of Fame for OCeania is because there are no playable Oceania Leagues. The Australian A-League is an Asian league, they play in the Asian Champions League, Australia qualifies forthe World Cup through Asia and everything. So then there are only 5 playable continents, just to point this out.

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    Hm, on review, I probably should have posted the link to the FMS challenges in here. Apologies for that.

    I'll take this moment to recommend the Lord of the Rings Challenge. Because I made it up.

    Keep up the good challenging!

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    @ HD

    Make a thread. I shall someone else? Then everybody has one place to stroe their updates.

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    Or shall someone else?

    That's what I meant

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    I'll do it.

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    Hi I think i've got a good idea for a sign-up

    i'ts kind of a cross between the F1 racing and south american strikers sign-ups

    basically there would be 10 teams of 3 people and all the players would be scattered around the world ie. team 1 = someone at ac milan, perth glory, and kansas wizards
    the points would be
    club goal 5
    club appearence 10

    international goal 10
    international appearence 20

    and there would be a team championship and a single championship

    this is my 1st sign-up
    any ideas or comments would be appreciated

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    It's basically a copy of this isn't it?


    Originally posted by Whoopy D:
    I’ve been wanting to try my hand at a sign up for a while now but I’ve been struggling to come up with anything original however I think I may have something so I thought I’d put it in here and see what people thought.

    OK so I know from reading the off topic thread a few people have been competing in BATracer, although I’m not entirely sure how it works it doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s some sort of F1 game/simulation, whatever. As a keen F1 fan myself I sat down to watch the race in Bahrain on Sunday while I quickly checked to see how my guys were getting on in the sign ups I’m participating in. Then suddenly from nowhere I thought “I wonder if you could cross FM and F1 and turn it into a sign up?”

    So I got to thinking and after a while I came up with this idea. Basically we follow the F1 structure, we have the individual drivers or in this case players and then we have the constructers.

    At the moment there are 11 constructors in F1 and as far as I know there are no leagues in FM with 11 teams so I set out to find a league with 10 or 12 teams and promptly came across the Scottish Premier League with 12 and the rest of the Scottish leagues with 10 so for my example here I’ll use the Scottish leagues.

    So using the SPL we’ll have 24 “drivers” and 12 “constructors”. The drivers will all be strikers created by people who want to take part. As you sign up you pair yourselves up and create the constructors, once you have your team you come up with a name together and then are both sent to an SPL team. Once all 12 “constructors” are at their respective clubs the season can begin.

    “Races” will consist of one calendar month in FM, points are awarded for appearances and goals and deducted for cards, then at the end of the month the person with the most points wins the “race” and is awarded 10 points as in F1 2nd place gets 8 points etc. Then the next month begins and a new “race” begins and when the season draws to a close we’ll have a “drivers” champion and a “constructors” champion.

    Obviously it’s not a completely accurate representation of F1, I personally can’t think of a way to work in any sort of qualifying session no matter how hard I try and obviously not much is going to be the same in these two completely different sports. But if you just think for a minute, a twisted ankle at the start of the month keeps you out for two weeks OR you get a bad start off the grid and drop 10 positions before you’ve got to the first corner. A dead leg halfway through the month keeps you out for the next 2 weeks and puts you out of contention OR you spin into the gravel track and hit the tyre wall, ending your race. You get sent off and handed a 3 match ban OR speeding in the pit lane and handed a drive through penalty. I could go on for a while with more with comparisons but I’m sure you get the idea.

    Now although the two drivers will start at the same club it’s very unlikely that any of them will stay there let alone everyone stay at their starting club, however once your player moves clubs he is by no means out of the sign up, he continues to score points as before and is still in the same team as before.

    Obviously the end of the season will bring about the end of our F1 season. Once players have moved clubs points will be scored until the end of the season wherever they’re playing so just because the players in Scotland have stopped playing it doesn’t mean players in Spain will miss out and they will still score points and maybe have a chance to get an easy win if no one else is playing (maybe that needs some thought as it might be a bit unfair, thoughts on that would be appreciated)

    Also I was thinking that during the closed season I’d give you guys a chance to swap teams if your not happy with your team mate or you just don’t think the engine will make the grade next year But this might cause a bit of agro with people arguing over who wants to go where and such, so again thoughts on that please.

    I think that’s all, obviously it’s quite long and I hope nobody has done it before because if they have it’s a lot of time I’ve wasted thinking about it and typing it all out but let me know what you think hopefully it’s a good idea if not, back to the drawing board.

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    Sounds very much like it.

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    Originally posted by adam426:
    Hi I think i've got a good idea for a sign-up

    i'ts kind of a cross between the F1 racing and south american strikers sign-ups

    basically there would be 10 teams of 3 people and all the players would be scattered around the world ie. team 1 = someone at ac milan, perth glory, and kansas wizards
    the points would be
    club goal 5
    club appearence 10

    international goal 10
    international appearence 20

    and there would be a team championship and a single championship

    this is my 1st sign-up
    any ideas or comments would be appreciated
    Why do you get more points for an appearance than a goal

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    Yeah that's weird. 2 appearances is better than 1 and 1 goal. So silly. For a striker anyway.

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    Ridleys
    I did say in my post that it was like that
    (f1 racing and south american strikers challenge
    but I know its not original)

    PaulHartman71
    Your right it probably should go the other way around

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    Hello guys. I have a idea for a challenge which imo could interest many people and hopefully would be a successful idea.

    It would be called Barcelona Academy Challenge and the idea would be to build a squad at Barcelona using only players that came through the academy. Then see how many trophies you could win. I'm not to sure on the scoring for the trophies, but maybe only get points for winning trophies when 75% of the squad is HG. Hopefully you guys will help

    I will make a list of all the current HG players at the club (e.g Messi, Bojan, Puyol) and then another list of all the non HG players (e.g Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco) at the club , then a 3rd list of all the HG players not at the club (e.g Fabregas, Pique, Arteta)

    So before I make this challenge I would like your opinions

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    Originally posted by jonahno6:
    Hello guys. I have a idea for a challenge which imo could interest many people and hopefully would be a successful idea.

    It would be called Barcelona Academy Challenge and the idea would be to build a squad at Barcelona using only players that came through the academy. Then see how many trophies you could win. I'm not to sure on the scoring for the trophies, but maybe only get points for winning trophies when 75% of the squad is HG. Hopefully you guys will help

    I will make a list of all the current HG players at the club (e.g Messi, Bojan, Puyol) and then another list of all the non HG players (e.g Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco) at the club , then a 3rd list of all the HG players not at the club (e.g Fabregas, Pique, Arteta)

    So before I make this challenge I would like your opinions
    Going to start this challenge, even though no one has commented.

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    Has anyone ever thought of doing a seasonly Sign-up/Challenge/Experiment awards.

    Not sure what Dafuge will think, and obviously if it was going to be carried out I would need his permission.

    I think that with all the sign-ups and challenges being created nowadays it would be nice for people to be rewarded for all the hard work they put into creating them and carrying them out.

    If we made an award system of some kind then it may inspire some users of these forums to create sign-ups which don't just after everyone hs signed up. Maybe if there is a hall of fame thread or something we can have awards like:

    <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Sign-up of the Year

    <LI> Challenge of the Year

    <LI> Best Updates (person)

    <LI> Most popular Sign-up

    <LI> Most popular Challenge

    <LI> Best idea.[/list]
    These are just a few I could think of off the top of my head and obviously there could be more.

    All comments and suggestions of how to improve are welcome.

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    oooo I joined after that so I didn't see it.

    My apologies.

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    I'd expect Birds to run it again but if not I'm more than willing to do whatever it needs to make sure we have an awards night again.


    Any help required, just ask.

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    awards would be fb

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    Yeah, it was good fun although we hadn't been running too long in there then. This year we've lots of new faces, and lots of new, excellent ideas. Should be much better this time around.

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    Gentlemen,

    I have had an idea for the following challenge and wondered if you might be kind enough to offer advice and opinions on it? See the full details below...

    The Britain and India Challenge

    This challenge will appeal to those who perhaps do not have as much time to play as they would like, or do not have a high specification PC. Having said that, there is scope for a very long and challenging game here.

    British and Indian football:
    It is now more than 60 years since India became independent of British rule. Britain's legacy is, of course, still huge*. However, in the sporting world only cricket has managed to capture the imagination of the Indian nation. Yet, India is home to the third oldest football tournament, the Durand Cup (after the English and Scottish FA Cups).

    Of course, the Indian people have also had a deep impact upon British culture. Yet, sadly, I do not believe that there are any Indian players that are playing top flight football in England.

    To add to the above, England, who gave the game (at least as we know it) to the world, have not qualified for the European Championships 2008 and are currently the laughing stock of Europe!

    These are wrongs that must be put right! And guess what? YOU are the man to do it!


    Summary of the challenge:

    The challenge is separated into four parts with the main goals being to -

    1) Improve Indian club football by having success, both domestically and in asian competition, with an Indian club side.

    2) Capture the imagination of India by taking on the national job and steering them towards the knock-out stages of a major international tournament.

    3) Move to England and establish a side of British players capable of winning the Premiership and Champions League, while also continuing in your role as an ambassador for
    Indian football and promoting their players in England.

    4) Take on the England manager job and take them back to the top of the world, ala 1966.


    THE CHALLENGE - Full Details:

    LEVEL 1 - THE BRITISH ARE BACK
    Select the following leagues - India (NFL), England (PL only)

    Begin by creating a manager with a British nationality (i.e. English, Scottish, Wales, Northern Irish).

    Start the game in India, perhaps the most exciting, huge and beautiful country in the world. Here you have a chance to make your mark in a nation without a footballing tradition - so make your own history.

    Holiday for one season and then select one of the newly promoted Indian club sides as your starting base.

    To achieve the goals of this level, you can stay based at the club that you begin with or jump ship to one of the bigger Indian sides where you may have more success in attaining your goals.

    To complete the level you must win two consecutive Indian Football League titles. You must also have won the oldest football competition in Asia, the Durand Cup , and the Asian club football tournament, the AFC Cup .


    LEVEL 2 - THE INDIAN NATIONAL GAME

    You must have won at least one Indian Football League title before beginning this level.

    The idea is a simple one - wait for the Indian national job to become available, apply for it and then make them successful.

    Here you have the opportunity to give the national side a style and philsophy to reflect the wonderful nation of India. They say that national football styles reflect their socio-cultural environment. What will be the style of
    India?

    The traditions of India are diverse, so perhaps you will choose to reflect the poetic and philosophical nature of India's history by playing with an attractive and romantic style. Or will you attempt to force you tactical philosophy upon the players. The choice is yours.

    The goal here is to qualify for an international tournament, i.e. the World Cup or Asian World Cup, and then get past the initial group stages and into the knock-out rounds. Anything else here is a bonus.


    LEVEL 3 - RETURNING HOME

    This level must not be attempted until level 1 is complete.

    Here you have the opportunity to return home in a blaze of glory after having success in Asia. You will manage in the richest and most successful British league system, the English Premiership. Your arrival in England might be
    rather like that of Arsene Wenger - you will be an obscure manager who has had success in Asia and wishes to bring his knowledge to the English game.

    The Premier League is awash with foriegn superstars these days but you are not taking that. You are returning to England to get rid of Johnny Foreigner and win with British players. However, do not forget that you also return as an ambassador for Indian football. You must also promote Indian players and bring through the first successful Indian Premiership player.

    You may take over at any club you like. A bigger club may give you more funds to bring in the British and Indian talent you require however the pressure for success may make it impossible for you to embark upon a transitional period. A smaller Premiership side may give you greater opportunity to build up a British and Indian side but it may take much longer. The choice is yours.

    The goal is to win the Premiership and the Champions League with ONLY British players (i.e. English, Scottish, Welsh, N. Irish) and AT LEAST THREE Indian players in the squad.


    LEVEL 4 - ENGLAND 1966 AGAIN?

    This must obviously be attempted after completion of the the LEVEL 2 Indian national team challenge.

    The goal is simple - take the England team to their first success at a major tournament since 1966.

    Simple 'eh?

    ...............................................

    So... What do you think? Should I start a new thread with this?

    I think it would make an interesting challenge!

    Sorry in advance for the inevitable typos!

    C.

    * - Please note that this challenge does not intend to act as a commentary on the rights and wrongs of empire and imperialism.

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    I like it.

    Perhaps India should be a second nationality. Might help you get Indian regens when you move to Britain.

    Looks long enough to hold attention but not too long so you get bored easily.

    Well thought out

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    Excellent idea, well thought out. Although as a SCot I'd have no intention of having England win anything

    Would WPs be a potential issue for Indian players?

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    Maybe we could choose a nation at the satr (Your first nationality) then try and win the WC with them? Just a thought for us patriotic Scots

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    Thanks for your replies guys.

    Yes, I had thought of this.

    Under my current 'design' you can already select your nationality as you please.

    I think I could change the Level 3 and 4 challenge to be any British league / nation. Although the goals might have to change in these cases.

    What are you thoughts?

    D.

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    I imagine Work Permits would be ok.

    By that point of the game you would have been, or perhaps would still be, India national manager. Therefore, you could target players that were international regulars. I think this is the main issue around WPs, isn't it? Number of international caps or, rather, regularly playing international football.

    I was thinking of saying AT LEAST ONE Indian player in your side to make that part of the challenge a little easier.

    D.

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    I think my decision on these two issues would be as follows:

    - I suggest English (or Scottish), however you can play in any BRITISH league system, i.e. EPL, SPL, Welsh football league, Northern Irish football league - it is your choice but the objectives remain the same.
    Picking Welsh or Norn Iron would make success in Europe extremely difficult indeed.
    The deepest respect would go to anyone who managed to complete level 3 with a Welsh or Northern Irish side.

    - Equally, when taking control of a national team, ANY British side is acceptable. This adds another element because, for instance, if you fail to win anything with your chosen home nation and you get sacked then you could have another go at winning a major tournament with one of the other home nations.

    - Regarding Work Permits, I would advise that the idea of the game is to get as many Indian players as is possible. But you MUST have at least ONE Indian player who is featuring as a regular in your first XI to meet with the requirements of promoting footballers from your adopted nation (i.e. India).

    How does that sound?

    D.

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    Furthermore, to answer Minislavs other question, which I appear to have missed, I would accept any combination of British or Indian nationalities. However, I would advise that the gamer selected his true nationality if possible.

    In other words, if you think you can get more out of starting with dual nationalities then that would be up to you.

    D.

    P.S. I am getting quite excited about this challenge - can you tell by my record number of posts in 1 minute. I will most likely raise this as a new thread tonight when I get home from work.
    Any other comments are welcomed...

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    I really like this reworked version.

    Well maybe true nationality for the first then your second nationality as Indian as I suggested.

    Stage 3 won't be harder to do in NI or Wales for the people who do Gundo's challenge for one half. The other side is impossible IMO.

    Nobody's done it in NI with any selection of players never mind just British.

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