Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

[Robert_296]

what do you mean by the file things? Bermy's one just changed the name to Ten Ton FC. I've already asked him. I need to change lots of things for 20 clubs.

[DodgeeD]

Where did you put the database? If you put in it documents/sports inetractive/football manager 2009/db and it didn't work, try public/sports interactive/football manager 2009/db and see if that works.

[Robert_296]

It was in D:\1-Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2009\games. Do you mean put it in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2009\games? If so that didn't work. I had to create the games folder if that makesany difference?

[DodgeeD]

Are you on XP or Vista? I use Vista and a while back I had to transfer my FM08 sign up from my laptop to my desktop but at first the edited team/nation names wouldn't show up but then I put it into the 'Public' folder and it worked. It's not under 'documents & settings' though..

[Robert_296]

XP. There's no folder for fm on public. By public I assume you mean the one that links your laptop to all the other computers in your house.

[brambleten]

i would try as DodgeeD said, if you havent already, and put it in c:\documentsandsettings\user\mydocuments\sportsint eractive\FM09\db.
or alternitively, start, my documents, sports interacitve, FM 09, db.

games is for save games, db is for databases

hope that helps

[bermybhoy]

Ooops. This reminds me I was going to email you that file, sorry Robert. I just don't think it's possible to move a database -it's precisely the problem we had in Wallace v Roberts last year, and I've seen the problem posted elsewhere since, never with a satisfactory answer. One for the bugs forum?

[PluckaDuck]

Sorry if it has already been suggested, but could you go on your old laptop and upload it to FileFront or MegaUpload???

[Robert_296]

That wouldn't work. We tried that in Wallace v Roberts, and it didn't work.

[SteadfastMeat]

Does anyone like the idea of a referee signup?
Users submit officials with custom stats and the like, then every year there are awards for best average rating, most red cards, most penalties etc.
After 20 years or so, the ref with the best average rating is the winner.
Any supplemental ideas, length of competition etc that anyone thinks would mke it better?

[Lower Leagues Rule]

Does anyone like the idea of a referee signup?
Users submit officials with custom stats and the like, then every year there are awards for best average rating, most red cards, most penalties etc.
After 20 years or so, the ref with the best average rating is the winner.
Any supplemental ideas, length of competition etc that anyone thinks would mke it better?

Sounds pretty interesting really. Never even thought of doing a referees one before

[SteadfastMeat]

Sounds pretty interesting really. Never even thought of doing a referees one before

Any ideas on how to work it? I was thinking of making them eligible for all the major english leagues (Prem to League 2) and competitions, and then have the top 5 for the year entered into the Champions League, and the top 3 after 2 years into the Euros/World Cup.

[Lower Leagues Rule]

Any ideas on how to work it? I was thinking of making them eligible for all the major english leagues (Prem to League 2) and competitions, and then have the top 5 for the year entered into the Champions League, and the top 3 after 2 years into the Euros/World Cup.

I have no idea of the specifics when it comes to referees and how they would be set-up, so I don't know that I can be much help lol.

[SteadfastMeat]

Fair enough, I'll have a think and see how it goes.

[joetheref]

I'd love a referees sign-up, being a qualified one myself .

[PluckaDuck]

Referee's sign-up would be fb!

[Denther]

Hello, me again.

As some of you may have seen am going to be doing a new-sign up based on Dwarves and Elves.

Now I have been messing about with the editor and am slowly forming the database. (The dwarves are nearly done now, just have to have a go at messing with the graphics and finish what I am about to ask about).

I have put the Dwarves in place of the Faeroe Islands. The League is non-playable. I have put one Dwarf team in the French 2nd Division and am in the process of re-naming the teams in the Faeroe Islands league. Now, do people think it is ok to leave them unplayable, or should I try and swap it with, say the Indian League to make them playable? At the moment I am simply upping the cash and rep of around three of the teams so that some youngsters come through and they get into Europe, do people think that is enough, too much etc?

Also do you think all the Dwarf players should start at the Dwarf team in the French League, mix them between the French team and home teams, or just let them start anywhere?

Thanks

Denther

[DodgeeD]

I found with the Treasure Island sign up that giving good facilites to the domestic teams results in a few good players coming through. Upping the rep and establishing parent club links should help those players get some recognition too.

It's probably best to let the sign up players start in an active league just to ensure they get playing time and exposure.

[fatski]

It is a standard idea, but here is the Experiment I was thinking of doing:
Using the editor, take a team from each other lowest playable leagues in the top European leagues: England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, and give them top notch facilities, £20m in the bank, and most importantly, a sugar daddy. I recently did this with AFC Wimbledon, and what was great was that the sugar daddy only pumped in however much money I'd lost that month, so while I always had 20 million in the bank, it didn't get ridiculous.
I was thinking of picking the teams at random (say, the ones with the funniest/most obscure names) and running the game as far as I can (i have a lot of free time this next week). And maybe everyone could pick a team that they would be following, or just follow all of them.
what are your thoughts?

[Denther]

I found with the Treasure Island sign up that giving good facilites to the domestic teams results in a few good players coming through. Upping the rep and establishing parent club links should help those players get some recognition too.

It's probably best to let the sign up players start in an active league just to ensure they get playing time and exposure.

Cheers Mr D

[trekkie_ram]

I am thinking about running this sign up, but would like opinions or ideas to fine tune it.

What ingredients make a good team?

The concept is:

I will replace all 12 teams in the Serbian Superleague with custom teams.

In the Serbian Superleague the bottom side is relegated, so to avoid this being a team from a participant, the 12th team will have fairly deflated stats (slightly less than Level 5 in each) and are almost assured relegation.

Their are 10 spots available, after myself and the weakened team. Each participant will be allowed to rate the following areas of importance in an order of 1 to 5, this will form the starting point for each team.

Club Reputation
1/ 7000
2/ 6600
3/ 6200
4/ 5800
5/ 5500

Stadium Size (All Seater) / Average Attendance / Minimum Attendance
1/ 22000 / 14000 / 7000
2/ 17000 / 11000 / 5500
3/ 14000 / 9000 / 4500
4/ 12000 / 7500 / 3750
5/ 10000 / 6000 / 3000

Training Facilities / Youth Facilities
1/ 20 / 20
2/ 16 / 16
3/ 12 / 12
4/ 10 / 10
5/ 8 / 8

Current Ability / Potential Ability (Team of 11 players for Standard 4-4-2)
(Gk, DR, DL, DC, DC, MR, ML, MC, MC, ST, ST)
Players will all be 25yrs old. They will have all random attributes with the exception of CA & PA and Position.
1/ 130 / 150
2/ 120 / 140
3/ 110 / 130
4/ 105 / 125
5/ 100 / 120

Initial Bank Balance
1/ £12,000,000
2/ £7,000,000
3/ £4,000,000
4/ £2,000,000
5/ £0


Order each category in the way that you want your team to be created. Numbering them from 1 to 5 (Using each number only once).

Sign Up Form
Club Reputation (1 to 5):
Stadium Size / Attendance: (1 to 5):
Training Facilities / Youth Facilities (1 to 5):
Current Ability / Potential Ability: (1 to 5):
Initial Bank Balance: (1 to 5):
Team Name:

[Denther]

That looks like a good and interesting twist on the norm team sign ups. I would definitely be interested (reserve spot nudge nudge )

One other thing you could add would be staff members, so you would have 6 options

[trekkie_ram]

Any ideas for grading the staff?

[Denther]

Any ideas for grading the staff?

Same as the players to be honest.

So For Example

Current Ability / Potential Ability
(Manager, Ass Man, Physio x2, Scout x3, Youth Coach, Fitness Coach, GK Coach, Attacking Coach.)
Staff will all be 40yrs old. They will have all random attributes with the exception of CA & PA and Position.
1/ 130 / 150
2/ 120 / 140
3/ 110 / 130
4/ 105 / 125
5/ 100 / 120

[trekkie_ram]

Same as the players to be honest.

So For Example

Current Ability / Potential Ability
(Manager, Ass Man, Physio x2, Scout x3, Youth Coach, Fitness Coach, GK Coach, Attacking Coach.)
Staff will all be 40yrs old. They will have all random attributes with the exception of CA & PA and Position.
1/ 130 / 150
2/ 120 / 140
3/ 110 / 130
4/ 105 / 125
5/ 100 / 120

My only reservation is the extra editing, I'll consider it though. (Need to either add a 6th choice for everything, or allow people to choose 2 at the same level.

[Denther]

My only reservation is the extra editing, I'll consider it though. (Need to either add a 6th choice for everything, or allow people to choose 2 at the same level.

In that case why not make it something like

1. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout, Youth Coach, Coach
2. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout, Youth Coach
3. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout
4. Manager, Ass Man, Physio
5. Manager, Ass Man
6. Manager

Less editing and you can just make them all the same CA and PA

Edit - actually, yeah I see what you mean about the extra 6th choice editing, like you say you could have two 5th place choices or something.

[trekkie_ram]

In that case why not make it something like

1. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout, Youth Coach, Coach
2. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout, Youth Coach
3. Manager, Ass Man, Physio, Scout
4. Manager, Ass Man, Physio
5. Manager, Ass Man
6. Manager

Less editing and you can just make them all the same CA and PA

Edit - actually, yeah I see what you mean about the extra 6th choice editing, like you say you could have two 5th place choices or something.

It should add key staff anyway, but I think I'll use the idea but just for the manager. Probably with larger increments than the squad as 10 CA points between managers probably won't make a world of difference.

CA / PA
160 / 190 (3 manager stats of your choice at 20)
140 / 170 (2 manager stats of your choice at 20)
120 / 150 (2 manager stats of your choice at 20)
110 / 140 (1 manager stat of your choice at 20)
100 / 130 (1 manager stat of your choice at 20)

Perhaps?


Edit: My current problem, is my test database keeps crashing.

[trekkie_ram]

I have updated it to this:

What ingredients make a good team?

The concept is:

I will replace all 12 teams in the Serbian Superleague with custom teams.

In the Serbian Superleague the bottom side is relegated, so to avoid this being a team from a participant, the 12th team will have fairly deflated stats (slightly less than Level 6 in each category) and are almost assured relegation.

Their are 10 spots available, after myself and the weakened team. Each participant will be allowed to rate the following areas of importance in an order of 1 to 6, this will form the starting point for each team.

Club Reputation
1/ 7000
2/ 6600
3/ 6300
4/ 6000
5/ 5800
6/ 5600

Stadium Size (All Seater) / Average Attendance
(Maximum Attendance = Average Attendance x2)
(Minimum Attendance = Average Attendance ÷2)
(Expansion Capacity = Stadium Size x2)
1/ 22000 / 15000
2/ 18000 / 12000
3/ 15000 / 10000
4/ 13000 / 8000
5/ 11000 / 6500
6/ 9000 / 5000

Training Facilities / Youth Facilities
1/ 20 / 20
2/ 17 / 17
3/ 14 / 14
4/ 12 / 12
5/ 10 / 10
6/ 8 / 8

Squad Current Ability / Potential Ability (Team of 11 players for Standard 4-4-2)
(Gk, DR, DL, DC, DC, MR, ML, MC, MC, ST, ST)
Players will all be 25yrs old. They will have all random attributes with the exception of CA & PA and Position.
1/ 135 / 155
2/ 125 / 145
3/ 115 / 135
4/ 110 / 130
5/ 105 / 125
6/ 100 / 120

Initial Bank Balance
1/ £15,000,000
2/ £10,000,000
3/ £7,000,000
4/ £4,000,000
5/ £2,000,000
6/ £0

Manager Ability; CA / PA and High Stats
(All approximately 40 years old)
(non-tactical manager stats to choose from: Buying Players, Hardness of Training, Judging Player Ability, Judging Player Potential, Level of Discipline, Man Management, Mind Games, Motivating, Squad Rotation, Working with Youngsters)
1/ 160 / 190 (3 non-tactical stats of your choice at 20)
2/ 140 / 170 (2 non-tactical stats of your choice at 20)
3/ 120 / 150 (2 non-tactical stats of your choice at 20)
4/ 110 / 140 (1 non-tactical stat of your choice at 20)
5/ 100 / 130 (1 non-tactical stat of your choice at 20)
6/ 90 / 120 (Fully random manager stats)

Order each category in the way that you want your team to be created. Numbering them from 1 to 6 (Using each number only once).

Sign Up Form
Club Reputation (1 to 6):
Stadium Size / Attendance: (1 to 6):
Training Facilities / Youth Facilities (1 to 6):
Current Ability / Potential Ability: (1 to 6):
Initial Bank Balance: (1 to 6):
Manager Ability: (1 to 6):
Manager '20' Stats: (if applicable):

Manager Name:
Manager Nationality:
Team Name:
Team Nickname:
[b]Home Kit Colours:{/b]
Ground Name:

My team would be:

Club Reputation (1 to 6): 3
Stadium Size / Attendance: (1 to 6): 1
Training Facilities / Youth Facilities (1 to 6): 5
Current Ability / Potential Ability: (1 to 6): 2
Initial Bank Balance: (1 to 6): 6
Manager Ability: (1 to 6): 4
Manager '20' Stats: (if applicable): Motivating

Manager Name: Jody Flint
Manager Nationality: Serbian
Team Name: Flint City
Team Nickname: The Sparks
Home Kit Colours: Blue
Ground Name: The Rubble

I loaded the game up like with my team added, and the finances were already at £800,000, despite starting at £0

(EDIT - Starting at £1 works better than starting at £0)

I will run the game overnight with 2 complete teams (mine & twelth place) to check stability. If it looks good, and no-one has left a noteworthy improvement, I will start a new thread for sign-ups some time tomorrow.

I do have the dedication to see this through, and I hope I can type a worthy write-up. But please understand that it will take time and effort to correctly configure the database, hopefully I won't run into any more stability problems in the test-run.

[trekkie_ram]

The game crashes on 1st July 2009. Back to the drawing board for now.

Edit: I have moved all the teams to Scotland, which has a similar league setup (aside from the split). I will try running it again.

2nd Edit: Within 2 months, one of the space saver teams has been given a £50m board takeover - lol. it's also increased the club rep from 6000 to 7200 and youth facilities from 10 to 20. not sure how i'm going to factor that in :-p

All the club reps have decreased slightly, ranging from 3 points to 43 points lost. I may need to adjust the values to make the league average lower, but I'll see how it plays out. Provided it gets past the season handover point.

3rd Edit: Got past season 1, looks stable, I'm going to adjust the League Rep (increase of 1) to balance out the falling Club Reps. I'm going to alter the Initial Bank Balance figures to try and make them more tempting (Scottish football probably needs more money than Serbian football).

[Munchkin]

how about a dafuges challenge multiplayer, where u sign-up and get randomly drawn to be a playable team, dafue gets a free slot

[fatski]

It is a standard idea, but here is the Experiment I was thinking of doing:
Using the editor, take a team from each other lowest playable leagues in the top European leagues: England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, and give them top notch facilities, £20m in the bank, and most importantly, a sugar daddy. I recently did this with AFC Wimbledon, and what was great was that the sugar daddy only pumped in however much money I'd lost that month, so while I always had 20 million in the bank, it didn't get ridiculous.
I was thinking of picking the teams at random (say, the ones with the funniest/most obscure names) and running the game as far as I can (i have a lot of free time this next week). And maybe everyone could pick a team that they would be following, or just follow all of them.
what are your thoughts?

This is underway, do have a read: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=131416

[m1234566778]

Big brother idea sign up-

12 people sign up and every Monday big brother assigns the 'housemates' a short task. Whoever fails to complete the task will face eviction, which will be decided by the forum users not in the sign up. If everyone completes the task then everyone will face eviction. The 'housemates' would assign the task and inform the others on any rules etc. The tasks would have to be fairly short as the deadline would be thursday. I would like some feedback, thanks.

[Greasy Chip Butty]

Big brother idea sign up-

12 people sign up and every Monday big brother assigns the 'housemates' a short task. Whoever fails to complete the task will face eviction, which will be decided by the forum users not in the sign up. If everyone completes the task then everyone will face eviction. The 'housemates' would assign the task and inform the others on any rules etc. The tasks would have to be fairly short as the deadline would be thursday. I would like some feedback, thanks.

What type of short task?

I would imagine there has been a BB idea before too - I thought about it before I started the FMX-Factor - so it might be worth a search to check.

Would it be a daft question to ask if you'd finished your other sign-up? I've never been involved with your sign-up's but judging by your negative reactions from others, I think you might struggle to get 12 people to sign-up. It's a good idea if not already done though.

[roberto922]

Would it be a daft question to ask if you'd finished your other sign-up?

Yes .

[trekkie_ram]

lol roberto

[m1234566778]

Quite the comedian isn't he!

[roberto922]

Eh? I was just being honest.

[himan]

the small national team challenge. I'm trying it now with Equatorial Guinea, but you can choose all almost unknown nations in the world. They will be ranked from Best(Spain/Brazil) to worst(Guam/American Samoa) and than they get a factor:
Place FIFA-List Nation Factor
1 Spain 1
2 Netherlands 1
3 Germany 1
4 Italy 1
5 Brazil 1
6 England 1
7 Argentina 1
8 Croatia 1
9 Russia 1
10 France 1
11 Portugal 1
12 Turkey 1
13 Paraguay 1,5
14 USA 1,5
15 Czech Republic 1,5
16 Switzerland 1,5
17 Greece 1,5
17 Uruguay 1,5
19 Ukraine 1,5
20 Serbia 1,5
21 Cameroon 1,5
22 Scotland 1,5
23 Bulgaria 1,5
24 Denmark 1,5
25 Israel 2
26 Mexico 2
27 Northern Ireland 2
28 Romania 2
29 Australia 2
30 Nigeria 2
31 Japan 2
31 Sweden 2
33 Bosnia-Herzegovina 3
34 Republic of Ireland 2
35 Honduras 3
36 Ghana 2
37 Chile 3
38 Côte d'Ivoire 2
39 Poland 3
40 Egypt 3
41 Costa Rica 3
42 Slovakia 3
43 Hungary 3
44 Ecuador 3
45 Colombia 3
46 Korea Republic 2
47 Norway 3
48 Gabon 5
49 Finland 3
50 Burkina Faso 5
51 Tunisia 5
52 Iran 5
53 Guinea 5
54 Mali 5
55 Marocco 5
56 Saudi Arabia 5
57 Venezuela 5
58 Bolivia 5
59 Latvia 10
60 Lithuania 5
61 Panama 10
62 Slovenia 10
63 Belgium 5
64 FYR Macedonia 10
65 Gambia 10
66 Algeria 10
67 Uganda 20
68 Togo 10
69 Libya 10
70 Bahrein 10
71 Austria 10
72 Trinidad&Tobago 10
73 South-Africa 10
74 Wales 20
75 Senegal 20
76 Jamica 20
77 Iraq 20
78 Uzbekistan 20
79 Cyprus 20
80 Oman 30
81 Belarus 20
82 New Zealand 20
83 Canada 20
84 Congo DR 20
85 Sierra Leone 30
86 Congo 30
87 Mozambique 30
88 Sudan 30
89 Peru 20
90 Zambia 30
91 Benin 30
92 Albania 30
93 Iceland 30
94 Qatar 30
95 Cape Verde Islands 50
96 Rwanda 30
97 Angola 50
98 China PR 30
99 Cuba 50
100 El Salvador 50
101 Zimbabwe 50
102 Kenya 50
103 Grenada 50
104 Syria 50
105 Georgia 50
106 Korea DPR 50
107 Moldova 50
108 Fiji 100
109 Tanzania 100
110 Montenegro 50
111 Malawi 100
112 Guatemala 100
113 Estonia 100
114 Antigua and Barbuda 100
115 Bermuda 100
116 Thailand 100
117 Kuwait 100
118 Bostswana 100
119 Ethiopia 100
120 Barbados 100
121 Luxemourg 200
122 United Arab Emirates 200
123 Suriname 200
124 Haiti 200
125 Equatorial Guinea 200
126 Jordan 200
127 Guyana 200
128 Namibia 200
129 Chad 300
130 Madagascar 200
131 Armenia 200
132 Kazakhstan 200
133 New Caledonia 300
134 Singapore 300
135 Vietnam 300
136 Liberia 300
137 Swaziland 500
138 Indonesia 200
139 Burundi 300
140 Azerbeidzjan 300
141 Vanuatu 500
142 Nicaragua 300
143 Hong Kong 300
144 Niger 300
145 Netherlands Antilles 300
146 Yemen 500
147 India 300
148 Tadjikistan 500
149 Maldives 500
150 Malta 500
151 St. Kitts and Nevis 500
152 Puerto Rico 500
153 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 500
154 Turmenistan 500
155 Myanmar 500
156 Liechtenstein 500
157 Lebanon 1000
158 Eritrea 1000
159 Malaysia 1000
160 Philippines 1000
161 Sri Lanka 1000
162 Kyrgyzstan 1000
163 Mauritania 1000
164 Lesotho 1000
165 Salomon Islands 1000
166 Faroe Islands 1000
167 Pakistan 1000
168 Somalia 1000
169 Cayman Islands 5000
170 Nepal 5000
171 Bangladesh 5000
172 Laos 5000
173 Chinese Taipei(Taiwan) 5000
174 Mauritius 5000
175 Palestine 5000
176 Mongolia 5000
177 Belize 5000
178 Samoa 5000
179 Cambodia 5000
180 Seychelles 5000
181 Bahamas 5000
182 Turks and Caicos Islands 5000
183 Brunei (Darussalam) 5000
184 Afghanistan 5000
185 Djibouti 5000
186 Dominican Republic 5000
187 Guinea-Bissau 5000
188 Guam 5000
189 St. Lucia 5000
190 Tahiti 5000
191 Tonga 5000
192 Bhutan 5000
193 British Virgin Islands 5000
194 Macau 5000
195 Aruba 5000
196 Andorra 1000
197 Dominica 5000
198 Timor-Leste 5000
199 Comoros 5000
200 US Virgin Islands 5000
201 Central African Republic 5000
202 San Marino 1000
203 Anguilla 5000
204 Montserrat 5000
205 American Samoa 5000
206 Cook Islands 5000
207 Papua New Guinea 5000


and then I will make it like this:

Worldcup win: 10
Worldcup 2nd: 9
World Cup 3rd: 8
World Cup 4th: 7
World Cup quarter Finals: 5
World Cup last 16: 3
Reaching World Cup: 2

Winning Confederations Cup: 5
2nd Confed. Cup: 4
3rd Confed. Cup: 2
4th Confed. Cup: 1

Winning European Championship: 5, reaching this cup 2 points
Winning Copa America: 4
Winning Africa Cup: 3, reaching this cup 1 point
Winning Gold Cup: 2
Winning Asian Cup: 2, reacting this cup 1 point
Winning OFC Cup: 1

Number of points:
(Best Worldcup Points+Best Continental Points+Best Confederations Cup Points)x Factor

[tottenhamfmo7]

New United Kingdom Leagues - A sneak peek

I have been working on organising these teams this morning and here is a sneak peek at the playable Leagues + Those that will be promoted if you holiday.

UK Premier League
Man Utd
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Tottenham
Everton
Man City
Newcastle
Aston Villa
West Ham
Portsmouth
Blackburn
Middlesbrough
Bolton
Sunderland
Fulham
Rangers
Celtic
Linfield
Llanelli

UK Championship
Wigan
West Brom
Stoke
Birmingham
Reading
Charlton
Hull
Wolves
Sheff Utd
Crystal Palace
Ipswich
Derby
Q.P.R.
Watford
Norwich
Aberdeen
Dundee Utd
Hibernian
Hearts
Motherwell
Falkirk
Kilmarnock
Glentoran
TNS

UK League 1
Leeds
Cardiff
Southampton
St. Mirren
Inverness CT
Sheff Wed
Nottm Forest
Preston
Bristol City
Leicester
Dundee
Coventry
Dunfermline
Plymouth
Hamilton
St. Johnstone
Swansea
Barnsley
Burnley
Doncaster
Blackpool
Partick Thistle
Cliftonville
Rhyl

UK League 2
Carlisle
Queen of Sth
Morton
Huddersfield
Livingston
Luton
Colchester
Scunthorpe
Millwall
Brighton
Tranmere
Southend
Oldham
Walsall
Crewe
Airdrie Utd
Swindon
Clyde
Gilingham
Peterborough
MK Dons
Yeovil
Portadown
Bangor City

Blue Square Prem
Bristol Rovers
Bradford
Northampton
Hartlepool
Rotherham
Ross County
Port Vale
Stirling
Leyton Orient
Bournemouth
Brentford
Stockport
Raith
Wycombe
Cheltenham
Chesterfield
Rochdale
Notss Co
Lincoln
Darlington
Wrexham
Grimsby
Distillery
Welshpool

Blue Square South
Brechin
Shrewsbury
Peterhead
Oxford
Mansfield
Barnet
East Fife
Cambridge
Ayr
Berwick
Cowdenbeath
York
Rushden
Stevenage
Dumbarton
Annan
Elgin
Ebbsfleet
Woking
Stenhousemuir
Ballymena Utd
Aberystwyth

Blue Square North
Alloa
Bury
Queens Park
Hereford
Chester
Nacckesfiekd
Accrington
Exeter
Morecombe
Dag & red
Torquay
Stranraer
Aldershot
Forfar
Kidderminster
Burton
Forest Green
East Stirlingshire
Albion Rovers
Crawley
Dungannon
Carmarthen

Ispwich
Montrose
Altrincham
Linlithgow Rose
Nuneaton
Tayport
Lewes
Coleraine*
Havant & W
Salisbury
Glenavon
Lochee Utd
Fraserburgh
Arthurlie
Chelmsford
Bangor*
Harrogate
Institute*
Newtown**
Maidenhead
Fleetwood
Bath
Northwich

Northern
Kettering
Bathgate Thistle
Southport
Carnoustie
Eastbourne Boro
Crusaders*
Girvan
Spartans
Lossiemouth
Cutler
Preston Athletic
Rothes
Whitburn
Team Bath
Bellshill
Farsley
Beith
Eastleigh
Hayes & Yeading
Comnock
Connah's Quay**
Histon

Southern
Barrow
Stafford
Bonnyrigg Rose Ath
Pollok
Clydebank
AFC Telford
Drolsden
Cove Rangers
Newry*
Buckie Thistle
AFC Wimbledon
Ketty Hearts
Camelon
Boston Utd
Port Talbot**
Stalybridge
Auchinleck
Bromley
Hampton & Richmond
Workington
Grays
Weymouth

The astericks are just my check to make sure every division had a team from N. Ireland and Wales. Hope you like the looks of them. I sorted completely by Reputation and also eg. Leeds was not allowed above their current level. From there I just worked down the list making sure every division had 2 Scottish Teams, 1 Northern Irish Team & 1 Welsh Team (This was based on population figures from last census) And hence here is what we have.

Just to say that Aldershot would never get relegated to the Blue Square North because they are in a very south part of England, in between London and Portsmouth! I know that for a fact because I live there!!

[trekkie_ram]

Just to say that Aldershot would never get relegated to the Blue Square North because they are in a very south part of England, in between London and Portsmouth! I know that for a fact because I live there!!

Ayr, Cowdenbeath & Stenhousemuir are from Scotland, and they are in Blue Square South this would have been noticed long before the Aldershot thing. It seems that priority has rightly been placed on league balance, and not geographical accuracy.

[Lower Leagues Rule]

Haha yeah when I made that list it was purely about making the leagues even. Geography would've come into it in season two, but I wanted the leagues to be about the same for fairness in season one really.

[trekkie_ram]

Are we taking bets on relegation from the Premiership in Season 1?

I think Linfield & Llanelli are prime candidates to take Derbys proud record low of 11 pts. (Pity it isn't real life).

[Lower Leagues Rule]

This idea is on the backburner until FM10 now following ongoing issues with it But in the end those clubs got put lower down as it was done entirely on reputation, will be starting on building a database as soon as I get FM10

[Lower Leagues Rule]

I have an idea, though it is similar to one that has just been created by Mendi, though mine is slightly in the idea of an experiment as well. Basically I want to run a League system where each of the clubs are created from a nation ranked outside the top 100 in world football. So there are 108 possible nations that people could be taking control of. I am going to try my best to check out which nations have only a few players and they are likely to be given some extras or be unchoosable. Now I have a few questions for all of you, I was originally going to base it in the Dutch leagues as it is a closed system and they can qualify for the Champions League as well, but possibly the Malaysian League is better with the can only have soo many foreign players. So I will work on the lists of teams that would be usable, what I want an idea from everyone here is what I should make customisable for each nation/club and what I should make standard across the board. I am hoping to have the top league filled with clubs/nations ranked between 101 & 154 and the bottom league with clubs/nations from 155-208. I think this will make for a slightly more exciting league line-up add some variety and generally make it a bit fairer in each league. Now I was thinking of making it so that you must choose a squad from your own nation with say three stars you can draft into the squad, but these three stars must not have any senior caps for their current nation and then they will become declared for your own nation. I am going to be editing this database to set it up properly and then using a ddt file to make sure all the players I put into these clubs will be loaded. So ideas, tips and questions anyone? This would be my first ever sign-up but i am hoping people will support me in it.

Mendi - If you think this is too close to your idea tell me and I will adjust it with some other ideas I had.

[Lower Leagues Rule]

Right so I have gone through and of the 108 possible teams 37 have 200+ players, 12 have 100-199, 28 have 50-99, 10 have 30-49 & the remaining 21 have less than 30. Worst being British Virgin with 0, Turks & Caicos Is with 2 & Bahamas with 3. So I think minimum is going to be about 25-30 players so currently there would be 87 possible choices for the sign-up.

[himan]

Right so I have gone through and of the 108 possible teams 37 have 200+ players, 12 have 100-199, 28 have 50-99, 10 have 30-49 & the remaining 21 have less than 30. Worst being British Virgin with 0, Turks & Caicos Is with 2 & Bahamas with 3. So I think minimum is going to be about 25-30 players so currently there would be 87 possible choices for the sign-up.

In Asia, South America, Oceania and Europe every nation is choosable in Football Manager(I couldn't find any till now, maybe Timor-Leste?) In africa i know that Sao Tomé e Principe is unchoosable and in North America there are many nations unchoosable as shown by Lower Leagues Rule. Montserrat and St. Lucia are unchoosable too from the nations I know, so they have not many players...

Was my idea actually a good one, or is it already used once?

[Lower Leagues Rule]

In Asia, South America, Oceania and Europe every nation is choosable in Football Manager(I couldn't find any till now, maybe Timor-Leste?) In africa i know that Sao Tomé e Principe is unchoosable and in North America there are many nations unchoosable as shown by Lower Leagues Rule. Montserrat and St. Lucia are unchoosable too from the nations I know, so they have not many players...

Was my idea actually a good one, or is it already used once?

I actually love the idea myself. I have always thought a challenge or sign-up or experiment using the lower nations is always more fun. And I love the idea of your challenge.

[Darren_HR]

I would like to see a sign-up started which included a created league for the former Jugoslavia. Not really sure what the competition would be specifically, just thought it would be cool to have a league with all the former-Jugoslav teams competing against each other again. i.e. The best Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian, Slovenian, etc. clubs. Also, maybe following Jugoslavia as a country on the international stage (interesting to see how all the different sub-nationalities do together on one team). Wish I could try this myself but between a horrible computer and work I wouldn't have time.

[roberto922]

Jugoslav? You mean Yugoslavia?

[PaulHartman71]

no I don't think he does. Well he does, but Jugoslavia is just a 'translated' version. I think it's the Italian name for it.

[Lower Leagues Rule]

If someone wants a list of the Yugoslav clubs sorted by Reputation I have one as I was planning on building them as part of my Old World Database.

[Darren_HR]

Yeah, sorry, meant Yugoslavia, wasn't trying to be pretentious or anything, just have always been used to writing it that way.

[roberto922]

Fair enough.

[Darren_HR]

Lower Leagues Rule - I would love to see that list, never know when I might actually try to attempt this myself.

[roberto922]

Don't do it if you don't have much time, you'll most probably just end up abandoning it, happens alot

[Darren_HR]

I know, that is my fear also, I see so many sign ups and experiments started that seem to be really interesting but they end up just dying off...I might just try it someday on my own at home for fun and then when I get a decent computer start a thread here.

[bermybhoy]

Just a little idea I came up with that someone might want or be able to run with…now first of all, I'm presuming the in-game editor allows you to move players around different clubs?

Ok, so the idea is, participants create a striker like any regular sign up. The twist here is that, rather than leave the player to the vagaries of where the FM AI may take him, you would get to choose which country and for which club he would play for each season.
We have 10 countries loaded up, each player would play one season in each country, though in different orders. The order would be of your choosing. There would be a scoring chart for each country with points awarded for say, the top 5 (at the end of the sign up - ie, once everyone has played in all 10 countries), with an overall winner based on those points (and runner up prize, if applicable, for top scorer overall).

I reckon as a restriction, no two players could ever play for the same club.

There's loads of little extras that could be added, like bonuses for goals scored in their 'home' country (based on nationality chosen at the start), maybe a side table maintained for international goals and so on. I think it would be fairly interesting to see fpr example, which order of countries people think is best…eg, would you be better playing in a weaker league at the start when your player is on the way up, or writing off the bigger leagues by starting off there, and trying to blitz the smaller ones…

Any thoughts, feedback...anyone want to do it...

[Jack Rudd]

Sounds like a good idea, bermybhoy.

[roberto922]

Right, quite a few of you said you'd be interested in the CSE Euros if I waited a while after the launch, I've cut the challenges down in size, to ensure that they don't take too long, I'm in the process of writing up some ideas, I just want to see who's interested.

Interaction is absolutely vital in this challenge, so I will only accept people that I see as trustworthy, if I say no it is probably not because of past events it is more likely to be due to me not knowing what you are like, the places available will be 12. I'll put a better set out of the Euros in a bit, the challenges are likely to take 3/4 hours of your time at the very most and will be set monthly unless everyone is finished before then.

You must have Football Manager 2009 9.3.0 to take part.

The list....

1. Spartans5
2. joetheref
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[spartans5]

I would be interested.

That seems like a great idea bermy

[Robert_296]

it's a bit harsh to turn people away for no reason is it not?

[PluckaDuck]

Put me down if you want Roberto, hopefully our Bill Kenwright debate won't come between me and this sign-up

[roberto922]

CSE European Championships 2009

The CSE European Championships marked my entry into these forums, it was my first sign up and did reasonably well. Last time, the major complaint was a lack of time to complete the challenges, due to the fact that they were 1 season in length, so I have attempted to accomodate this with shorter challenges, less rounds and longer deadlines. It is a compacted, but I feel improved, version. Over the last year I've learnt from some of the best on here some tricks of the trade, I've tried to keep up with them in terms of playability in this challenge.

First off the layout of the tournament:

Group Stages - 4 groups of 3, each member will go face to face with the other members in their group once, meaning they have a total of 2 games to qualify for the semi final, only 1 person from each group qualifies. 3 points will be awarded for winning a face to face challenge, 1 point for a draw and 0 for a loss. Challenges will take place every fortnight, will be short challenges to ensure completion. Likely amount of time needed per challenge - 2 hours

Semi Final - The winner from Group A faces the winner of Group C whilst the winner of Group B faces the winner of Group D. Challenges will take place over 3 weeks. Likely amount of time needed: 3 hours

Final - The two winners face off in a battle for the CSE European Championship crown. Challenges will take place over the process of a month. Likely amount of time needed: 4-5 hours

Ideas

I am currently undecided on whether or not I should make custom databases myself and upload them for users, allowing me to create scenarios, or whether I should set challenges from the start of the season, meaning more convenience for the users but less flexibility for me when designing the challenges.

Perhaps one of the bigger changes in this years edition, I have decided that I will not reveal the points board for this years challenges, this will instead add a dimension of guessing, the user will need to decide for themselves what they believe is the best route to take, whether they should break the bank in the hope that league position is the main factor, or count the pennies in case balance matters and so on and so forth. This also means that there will be some element of surprise to the results period, whereas last year it was usually a foregone conclusion by the time I released the results.

I will PM each user at the end asking for the required screenshots, these must be PMed to me rather than placed in the thread, however discussion of how you are doing in the challenge is perfectly acceptable, and encouraged.

If anyone has anything else to add I'm all ears

[PluckaDuck]

Just come across a cracking idea!! (well I think anyway)

There is a thread over here in the Football Forum asking how the currenty England squad would fare in the Premier League, but all of the players would be cloned so that the club that the player plays for (ie; Manchester United- Rio Ferdinand) would not lose that player. So if I relegated say Birmingham back to the Championship and replaced them with England F.C or what-ever, would this work and would I get enough followers??

I don't plan to do it straight away, but maybe reserve it for the next few weeks/months until I get more time as I am pretty busy at the moment.

[brettney1980]

Just come across a cracking idea!! (well I think anyway)

There is a thread over here in the Football Forum asking how the currenty England squad would fare in the Premier League, but all of the players would be cloned so that the club that the player plays for (ie; Manchester United- Rio Ferdinand) would not lose that player. So if I relegated say Birmingham back to the Championship and replaced them with England F.C or what-ever, would this work and would I get enough followers??

I don't plan to do it straight away, but maybe reserve it for the next few weeks/months until I get more time as I am pretty busy at the moment.

Yeah thats a pretty good idea that, i vote rather than letting them have the same names as the player they were cloned from give them nicknames. I.E Rooney could be Shrek just as an example off the top of my head and David James can be Count Dracula (We all know he's scared of crosses).

[trekkie_ram]

That'd make the real in-game England side pretty darn good. Two Rooneys for a start! I think transfer windows would hamper the idea slightly. Unless you kept putting players back with an editor.

[minisav]

Yeah. I reckon if you have the time you could try it with more than 1 nation. 2 San Marinos in the Italian league

[joetheref]

I'd be interested in the Euros Roberto

[PaulHartman71]

I think that's a good idea Pluckaduck, presumably you'll clone them using FMRTE?

[PluckaDuck]

Yeah, I coud do it that way. I was thinking of doing it the normal way with the editor, but that is a good idea to use FMRTE.

[Mushtaq]

Anyone keen in an international management challenge game? I know an Under 19 one has recently started but here is another one I remember being a challenge:

Get a random number generator to give you a number between 1-210 or however many nations are on the game. Then whatever number you get takeover the nation with that number as their FIFA ranking. Assuming that country has enough players/staff to let you manage them.

Any other international management ideas or interest?

International management is great because you are stuck with what you have, you can't just go out and buy a new team to get results. This makes you appreciate and learn the game more by fine tuning formations and tactics.

The most fun I have had in international management is in Africa, Asia and North America. This is because you can take a minnow nation but still have reasonable success in your area. Could also be used as the start of a career game.

[PaulHartman71]

thought this would be the best place to put this because I know some people upload videos for their sign-ups. Basically, uploading videos to Xfire (have no previous experience of this, but have seen some on there) provides quite decent quality, example. I know this is slightly off topic, but there's no point posting in the Forum Group as it is pretty much a ghost town.

[haza555]

Here is what a propose.

Big Brother Sign Up

The sign up will be run in the format of the hit TV show Big Brother.

24 Sign Up's each create a player.
19 Game Weeks (Premier League season will be halfed)
Nominations take place from Monday to Friday. Each member will pick to players to nominate be it for tactical or non tactical reasons.
Club Assman takes control of games.
If a player is 'evicted' he will remain in the squad for numbers sake. He will not however be eligible to win.
However their may be twists through the game in order for an 'evicted' player to be re-instated. This may happen if a user is failing to nominate regularly.
Users will have 3 strikes. If they fail to nominate 3 times whilst their player is still in the game, they will be replaced by an 'evicted' or 'replacement' player.

The game would run until early November - Late October. Therefore finishing in time for FM10.

Any questions please ask.

[m1234566778]

^I like it, it would be funny with Big Brother FC in the premiership.

[PaulHartman71]

The Ultimate CSE League, Sign Up

This is an idea for a sign up, I have no intention of running it due to commitments to my current one. However I would be very interested in doing the database for it, leaving someone else the task of simply producing updates on it. So, what's this idea then? Basically, using FM09, I edit together a database which will contain some of the finest teams in CSE history, from FM08 and FM09. In principle, I'll take the 'save game' including each team and then using the original data editor, edit the clubs, create all of the players, staff and even you the manager. So, what does each club have to do to 'qualify' for this Ultimate League? Basically the restrictions at this stage will be as follows...

• Each club entered MUST have been a club you've used in any one of the small club to big club challenges
• The club MUST have already completed the said small club to big club challenge
• You MUST supply me with a save game to use. I will only create the players and staff from that specific save game you've supplied me with, so player x that you sold 4 seasons ago will not be created.
• You don't have to supply me with your save game at this very moment, this project could take months to complete and find someone to run it, so if you've only just completed one of the small club to big club challenges, you need not send me a save game just now. (But of course you can if you want).
• There is a restriction of one club per user (sorry).
• You can use a save game from FM08 or FM09
• Patches don't matter either

There are however, special inclusions into this competition. For any sign-up runners, that have run a sign up from FM09 or FM08 and have a club or International side (DodgeeD's STI & NTI for example) can be included in this as well. So if DodgeeD wanted, and still has a save game file from FM08 he could include both FM08 STI & NTI. Otherwise he'll have to just include the FM09 versions (that's if he wants to of course). Real London CSE will most probably not be included, because the majority of players in that had lower league standard CA/PA's. The only other exceptions at the moment will be the inclusion of the FM08 Southern Softies, and FM08 Northern Monkeys. I think the FM09 Southern Softies and FM09 Northern Monkeys could be included, but they'd have to be a last minute job if they were because we couldn't really include one of those teams until this years version is over, which is a couple of months away. Then of course there is the inevitable discussion with kipfizh about the inclusion of the Bandit's from either FM08 or FM09, and the Sheriff's from FM09.

So yeah, any thoughts?

[roberto922]

The only sides I know of that I'd really want in thwere are:

Nepenthezs FM08 Knockbreda save
FM08 Softies and FM08 Monkeys
Bandits FM07

THeres obviously many more but I'm not really in the know about teams like STI/NTI

[PaulHartman71]

The only sides I know of that I'd really want in thwere are:

Nepenthezs FM08 Knockbreda save
FM08 Softies and FM08 Monkeys
Bandits FM07

THeres obviously many more but I'm not really in the know about teams like STI/NTI

DodgeeD's sign up basically involves two sets of players from two different fictional nations 'Southern Treasure Islands' and 'Northern Treasure Islands'. The FM09 version is virtually all based on the International stage, but obviously if he could provide me with a save game of the players in their prime (which shouldn't be for a few seasons yet) then I could edit each Nation's players into a club team. And likewise with Nep's FM08 Knockbreda side, and the FM08 Softies/Monkeys. The FM07 Bandits would be a bit more of a challenge since I don't have FM07, but if someone or even Kip himself would supply me with the 'details' of the players and such, they could also be included.

[roberto922]

Would it be the original bandits or the team at the end of the signup?

[PaulHartman71]

I'm not sure, would depend on which one Kip feels would be best for the purpose of this sign up I guess.

[roberto922]

The problem I can see coming up with the originals is that they were designed to be perfect, they could annihilate any opposition in the challenge within a year or two when they get close to their PA, depends on whether you want the best teams from each challenge or a balanced league

[PaulHartman71]

I see what you mean with that. The FM08 Softies/Monkeys imo wont be anymore dominant than some of the FM08/FM09 small club to big club challenge completion sides. A balanced league would of course be nice, but I think we'll more than likely see some teams do a lot better than others.

[roberto922]

Yeah, as great as they are I can't see Knockbreda doing *that* good.

Will all of the teams get equal reputation?

[PaulHartman71]

I was planning on giving the teams the reputation from the said save game.

[roberto922]

Fair enough, could put the Gundo teams pretty low down though

[dafuge]

I'd love to throw my Dartford team into that, but only after I've completed a few more seasons, I have work to do.

[dafuge]

Fair enough, could put the Gundo teams pretty low down though

If they've completed the challenge then they would be previous European champions, it would be really interesting to see how they compare with the teams that have completed the same challenge in England.

[PaulHartman71]

although I think that the English and Small Club from Big Nation sides would do better, as dafuge pointed out it would be interested to see how the Small Club from Small Nation do as well.

[PaulHartman71]

do you think I should start an 'interest gauge' thread, or just leave it in here for now?

[dafuge]

do you think I should start an 'interest gauge' thread, or just leave it in here for now?

I think you should leave it here until you find someone who wants to run it, then perhaps have a 'sign up' thread to get volunteers for submitting teams.

[bermybhoy]

I'd love to throw my Dartford team into that, but only after I've completed a few more seasons, I have work to do.

Ideally they would all be from the point the challenge was complete, wouldn't they? Just from the perspective that anyone who keeps going for several years will presumably have a far better team than anyone who's just completed it.

Up to Paul to lay down the ground rules though

Looking forward to a genuine Monkeys v Softies face off.

[dafuge]

Ideally they would all be from the point the challenge was complete, wouldn't they? Just from the perspective that anyone who keeps going for several years will presumably have a far better team than anyone who's just completed it.

Up to Paul to lay down the ground rules though

Looking forward to a genuine Monkeys v Softies face off.

I haven't actually completed the challenge yet though, I still need to win the CL.

[el sid]

Paul, I don't mind running this sign up but it depends on the number of leagues I would have to run and the number of seasons it would have to run (not the best laptop in the world). How many league are you planning to run?

[bermybhoy]

Oh yeah, obviously you might want to take care of that first.

Might be another couple of months before my Oxford City side is anywhere near it.

[PaulHartman71]

I'm not sure I could do it so people have to use the team that originally won the challenge, mainly because some of them may have continued playing, therefore being ineligible to take part, which seems a bit unfair.

el sid - Obviously depends on how much interest we get, but I think the minimum target is 20 (EPL only), and if we can get enough (which is unlikely) then (44, EPL & CCC).

[hamilton162]

I'd happily enter my FC United team into this Looks to be a brilliant bunch of players with fantastic CA's and PA's

[iacovone]

I've had a pretty epic idea guys. It will obviously take an enormous amount of work, as much by me as the rest of the CSE community but here it is anyway:

The idea would be to start a thread offering any CSE challenge participant to upload their save game of their most successful team (ie. teams that have completed challenges, like dafuge's challenge etc).

From these saved files (limited to say 20 teams) I would then go into the editor and create my own database - mimicking every player, staff, club info, stats, everything from their team and copy it over to the new database. By the end of what I imagine would be a hell of a lot of editing, I'd have one almighty database containing 20 of the most successful CSE teams. I would then put them into one division on the game (like the Dutch as an eg).

Then I would simulate the seasons to see how these teams fared against each other. I'm unsure what the best thing would be to do for managers - perhaps give each user an opportunity to create their own manager for their side? The other idea I have is depending on time and availability of users I would run it as a sign up whereby each game week, the users in the CSE community would PM me with their tactics, selection and substitution plans etc. I'd then run the game and report the results for a whole season.

What does everyone think? Do you even think its possible??

Paul I had the same idea a while ago and still think it would be fantastic if someone undertook it. I don't have the time anymore to commit to anything this size but if we could find a user to take a database and report back it'd be superb.

[spartans5]

I will be building a new desktop this summer and will be taking it to school with me, so I would definitely be able to run this sign-up for a while and I don't think it would impact my running of Eurovision either.

[PaulHartman71]

I wouldn't have time to run it, but as I've said I might be able to do the database. At the moment I'm editing the 'FM08 Northern Monkeys' side together, but it's taken about 3 hours, with about 10 players and 10 staff left to edit in. This is alright timing, but the thing is I'm actually very interested and want to play a DB with the FM08 Monkeys team on, so I fear that I wont have as much motivation doing the other teams. But we'll see how it goes.

[el sid]

el sid - Obviously depends on how much interest we get, but I think the minimum target is 20 (EPL only), and if we can get enough (which is unlikely) then (44, EPL & CCC).

That's the number of teams isn't it? The number of teams doesn't concern me as such, it is the number of league I would have to run and the number of seasons I would have to run it for that do.

[PaulHartman71]

yeah so it would be 2 at the most probably, we wouldn't really need to load any others outside of England, would we?