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    The LLM forum has a thread like this that stops a lot of moaning and whinging threads being opened on a whim.

    Rather that creating a whole new thread for your whinge, feel free to off-load in here, where other whinging moaners, (like myself), can sympathise with you.

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    The LLM forum has a thread like this that stops a lot of moaning and whinging threads being opened on a whim.

    Rather that creating a whole new thread for your whinge, feel free to off-load in here, where other whinging moaners, (like myself), can sympathise with you.

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    I'll open with..... the better I do, the fewer people turn up to watch my games.

    Balance now £464,274 o/d .

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    Pinching ideas from the LLM forum!

    Only kidding....

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    No wins in 12 games!

    This drought has started me asking existential questions like:

    - Am I really this bad?
    - Should I go back to FM07?
    - Will the final patch give me the FM experience I crave?
    - If the smart cache sounds play when no one is around, does it still make sound?
    - Does a bear relieve itself in the woods? and if so, does it know how to effectively use a 442 counterattacking style?
    - Is the pope catholic? If so, how does he feel about punishing GK's who find themselves in midfield at the start of the second half?
    - If train A leaves station B at 60km pr hour, how long will it take before it gets fired for overachieving?

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    I doubt very much that this will curb the amount of "ZOMFG!!11!!!eleventy! I lost a match / my star striker is injared (sic)/ the game cheats" style posts, but I'm willing to lend my support to the idea anyway.

    What's getting my goat? An inability to keep a lead.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bodis:
    No wins in 12 games!

    This drought has started me asking existential questions like:

    - Am I really this bad?
    - Should I go back to FM07?
    - Will the final patch give me the FM experience I crave?
    - If the smart cache sounds play when no one is around, does it still make sound?
    - Does a bear relieve itself in the woods? and if so, does it know how to effectively use a 442 counterattacking style?
    - Is the pope catholic? If so, how does he feel about punishing GK's who find themselves in midfield at the start of the second half?
    - If train A leaves station B at 60km pr hour, how long will it take before it gets fired for overachieving?


    lol

    I'm annoyed at how the game always places my team against a team in form for almost every game!

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    I think this thread is akin to tipping, Mr. Jimbo. Please report go LLM hq for a quiet talk...

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    Because I'm in Conference South, my Reserves and U18's don't have any fixtures.

    I am too lazy to go through the whole of the season and create a friendly between the 2 on a weekly basis, so instead I did the first montha dn then thought, "I'll just do it a month at a time when I get the end of month award news items".

    Well I'm in November now and I don't think I've remembered once. Most of the time I don't remember until the middle of the month, by which time they haven't played for 2 weeks, and 1 month I forgot completely.

    Despite that, I still have only done the fixtures dor November. Will I ever learn ?

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    quote:
    Will I ever learn ?


    No.

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    quote:
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    Will I ever learn ?


    No.


    Then again, who does?

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    quote:
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    Then again, who does?


    Then again who does is the answer to the question "too bad she wont live".

    What do I win ?

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    What gets on my nerves is when my defenders "clear" the ball back into the box. :@

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    Oh and how many disallowed goals are there in football? I get like 1 in 5 which seems ridculously high!

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    Roman not helping me out money-wise!

    I swear, I'll go to Barcelona, they're actually financially sustainable!

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    There really should be an edit button on these forums!

    I don't like the post-match analysis. The guy always picks the best stats wise player regardless of how well he plays. Rooney plays at a 6, Gerrard at a 9. But Rooney gets his vote.

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    My scouts, they have good stats but I'm managing Hibs. So why do they keep advising me to buy a £3mil player? Try a £300k player (tops!).

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    my moan is thus:

    ive worked bloody hard on my tactics, i outplay EVERY team home and away, yet owen and martins couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo!! and they have their own training which is high in shooting, and all the usual anal things ya do to get yer team winning, FM aint having it, its pure guesswork sometimes, annoying to the max!

    obi

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    quote:
    Originally posted by ]steffelliott[:
    There really should be an edit button on these forums!

    I don't like the post-match analysis. The guy always picks the best stats wise player regardless of how well he plays. Rooney plays at a 6, Gerrard at a 9. But Rooney gets his vote.


    He picks it before the game and reports on the same player afterwards.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
    Because I'm in Conference South, my Reserves and U18's don't have any fixtures.

    I am too lazy to go through the whole of the season and create a friendly between the 2 on a weekly basis, so instead I did the first montha dn then thought, "I'll just do it a month at a time when I get the end of month award news items".

    Well I'm in November now and I don't think I've remembered once. Most of the time I don't remember until the middle of the month, by which time they haven't played for 2 weeks, and 1 month I forgot completely.

    Despite that, I still have only done the fixtures dor November. Will I ever learn ?


    I always take the time to create the fixtures as far in advance as i can go. Then whenever i remember, there are usually 4 or 5 matches left and i can add several more.

    For the sake of comparison, i make my U18s play other non league U18 teams as well as local unplayable U18s (trying to keep it realistic). Those matches are on Sundays because a lot of teams seem unavailable on Saturdays.

    The reserves team plays the FIRST team of unplayable clubs, mostly local. Those matches are on Tuesdays so that players gaining fitness from my first team can play and recover in time for the first team's Saturday fixture.

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    1. Every game being a 7-goal thriller or even more.

    2. Fluctuating home crowds. Getting 187 one game then 700 the next with Burscough. In real life it always tends to hover between 300 and 400 (for normal league games).

    Erm. Monkey tennis?

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    Every single game i have 2 or 3 goals scored tehn ruled offside wether for me or my opponent. OK i understand we get golas scored then find out they are offside, but EVERY SINGLE GAME!????

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    I think I've noticed a pattern in the attendances. If I win before a home game, it tends to be quite high. 600+. If I lose before it, we're looking at 150 to 200 people, regardless of how big the other team's following should be.

    This needs addressing, I think.

    The goals problem, I'm unsure why this happens. My goalkeeper makes plenty of saves. My defenders seem a little ropey but maybe there's just too many chances in games. Not certain how to fix that issue.

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    This whole forum is just sooooo depressing.

    Moan moan moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge whinge, whingety moan, moanaty winge.

    For the love of God enough .

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    Did you see what I did there ?

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    I find this forum very uplifting, full of good humored critique and sympathetic to the developers problems.

    I always sleep better after reading a few threads on here

    What's getting my goat is starting the season with minus 20 points and drawing match after match.
    This season just aint gonna be long enough

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    Great thread to vent in

    For all the season Arsenal just refuse to lose, with one loss from 12 infuriatingly keeping them 1 point ahead of me.
    I face them at the Emirates.
    Most important match of my career.
    I have 3 times as many shots on target.
    Terry and Pizarro miss absolute sitters.
    Arsenal go 2-0 up with their first and second shots.
    Lehmann is Man of the Match.
    'Lehmann put on a goalkeeping clinic today!'
    'Chelsea should have won this!'

    If all the times we could have been unlucky, why did we have to be unlucky against them?
    GAHHHH!

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    Oh yeah, and more generally, do part exchange offers and enquiries ever work?

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
    Did you see what I did there ?


    You've been reduced to moaning about the moaners! I'm not sure if this is a step in the right direction or not

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    quote:
    I find this forum very uplifting, full of good humored critique and sympathetic to the developers problems.


    I am forced to believe that this was a sarcastic post of the worse order matey.

    That is what is really bugging me, the 10+ age group who feel it's fine to come on the boards and slag of the game, developers, fans etc etc, simply because they can. I don't know what's happened to respect but it doesn't wave a big flag on these forums any more.

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    quote:
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    I find this forum very uplifting, full of good humored critique and sympathetic to the developers problems.


    I am forced to believe that this was a sarcastic post of the worse order matey.

    That is what is really bugging me, the 10+ age group who feel it's fine to come on the boards and slag of the game, developers, fans etc etc, simply because they can. I don't know what's happened to respect but it doesn't wave a big flag on these forums any more.


    I think you should do an awful lot of reading rather quickly, you missed the point by several goal widths

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Burscoughnian:
    I think I've noticed a pattern in the attendances. If I win before a home game, it tends to be quite high. 600+. If I lose before it, we're looking at 150 to 200 people, regardless of how big the other team's following should be.

    This needs addressing, I think.

    The goals problem, I'm unsure why this happens. My goalkeeper makes plenty of saves. My defenders seem a little ropey but maybe there's just too many chances in games. Not certain how to fix that issue.


    I'm quite interested in this post. I did the research for Burscough and it's one of the clubs at the lower end of the scale when comparing min / max / average attendance fluctuations.

    As for the far too many goals problem, it makes the game unplayable in my opinion. Reading other posts on the forums it seems that the lower leagues are hardest hit by this. Hopefully it will be sorted for the patch, whenever that may be.

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    Ok, I've thought of one.

    I'll tell you what is getting my goat at the moment! The board selling a player over my head and then the team slating me for lack of ambition.

    Another thing, putting the ball into an empty net to go 1-0 up, having it ruled out as the game has to be pulled back for a penalty instead (according to the dumbass ref who won't play advantage for s**ts or giggles) then watching my top goal scorer happily going about his business of missing it (7th penalty miss in a row). To make it worse, the opposition breaks away with a long ball after the penalty save and score a goal from it that my entire team thought was offside - I stick up for them saying they got the decision wrong after the match and get a touchline ban. All this stemming from when I actually should have gone 1-0 up.

    I actually made a joke about something like this potentially happening a couple of weeks ago, didn't expect it to come back and bite me in the a** with poisonous fang teeth that smell of BO.

    I'm not bitter.

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    Kriss - no I didn't mate, I am agreeing with your initial comments if you read what I said.

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    I hate:

    1. Defenders that just refuses to close down ai wingers
    2. My goalie that insist on playing the ball up the field when told not to
    3. Telling a midfielder to tightmark a playmaker - just to watch him go wide and forget his duties
    4. My strikers trying to score from the byline
    5. My strikers not going into the box, no matter what
    6. Waterlogged(??) pitches that destroys my shortpassing game
    7. Throw-ins in own half going directly to the opponents
    8. SI for ruining the chance I had at passing the last test I did at Uni. Now I have to do it again

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    You wanna know what's grinding my gears?

    The bleedin' fact that FM08 still hasn't arrived despite it being shipped on last Monday!

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    quote:
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    Kriss - no I didn't mate, I am agreeing with your initial comments if you read what I said.


    So sorry, I'm not used to people agreeing with me, been married too long

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    Same for me mate, and yet you have Utopia as your location

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    Random league rules restricting the amount of foreign players on the pitch at a time, that mean I have to bring off my DM to substitute my striker - and dont get me started about what happens when there are injuries to my EU players

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    quote:
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    Same for me mate, and yet you have Utopia as your location


    That probably means that his Missus occasionally reads what is on the screen over his shoulder.

    Rule 1 of relationships - take all measures to avoid arguements with the significant other. You will never win, you will never admit to yourself that you lost and thus will drive yourself insane knowing that they will eventually somehow get you to apologise anyway. It's just easier to humour them before it starts.

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    Unfortunately my goat was stolen back in the early days of FM07. I to this day still believe it was taken by my sorry excuse for a striker after i suggested in the dressing room post match that said goat would be replacing him up front in the following match

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    The one thing that gets my goat more than any other, is that the game is claseed as "playable".

    In game 1, I encountered the attendance bug and the better I did, the fewer people turned up at my matches, forcing me into debt and then administration.

    In game 2, I didn't encounter this and flew to promotion in my first season. Unfortunately, the board didn't seem to recognise this and I was not offered a new contract when my original one expired.

    The game is playable ??????

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    Its got to be the huge transfer fees of players, ok SI are to mimic real life but in game currently they do NOT mimic real life. Yesterday i saw a bid for a newcastle reserve player for 15m from reading. Is this real life SI? i think not and hope its addressed for the patch.

    I have to agree with Jim that there are a few issues that make the game not playable. If playable means the game works, and you can do most things, then thats correct. If its in relation to working the way it should be then no it does not.

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    What's getting my goat is the fact that I haven't got the heart to start a challenging, lower league game because I don't want it to be ruined by the attendance or board confidence bugs mentioned by Jimbo.

    Because of this I'm already bored of my Premier League game and currently find myself spending nights watching 'telly' with the missus (and anyone who's missus watches the same kind of crap that mine does will know how bad this is. I don't know what that is that they watch, but it ain't telly).

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    ""yes, si is so lazy!!!!!!!
    how would you explain that toni's wage is 10,000 at bayern and jankulovski earns 3700 at milan for years(exactly the same amount as he earned in Udiness, this is not his 1st year at Milan, isn't it?!!!). you people spent a whole year working hard on the game,as you said, and let's see what you have brought us. i feel like i just spent my money buying a new patch of cm0102,even worse than that...
    so i hope u do not explain by ur words again but by your action...""

    Another bug no?,,,you lazy lazy SI...grrr

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    My goat is that Leeds Utd start on -15, I win 6games in a row and player moral is still very low and the board are disappointed!

    I know this has been logged in the bugs forum, but still, very armature mistake SI.

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    How Motherwell's Clarkson has rotten stats but consistently puts 3 by me.

    Scenario 1: Took my save game onto my old comp which runs really slow. I got beat 2-1 by Motherwell (Clarkson go two) then drew with Rangers. My game then wouldn't let me pick my side against Celtic (due to the lag) and I kciked the PC. It broke it and I lost that great result against Rangers.

    Scenario 2: I lost 3-1 to Motherwell (back on new PC) with Clarkson getting all 3 of Motherwell's goals and as I started the Rangers game I got the BSOD. I wasn't too sad about losing that game. :P

    Scenario 3: Just lost 6-4 to Motherwell with Clarkson netting another 3. I'm praying for a BSOD but that was the 1st in months so I won't hold my breath lol.


    No matter what I do he bags loads of goals into me.

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    quote:
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    There really should be an edit button on these forums!

    I don't like the post-match analysis. The guy always picks the best stats wise player regardless of how well he plays. Rooney plays at a 6, Gerrard at a 9. But Rooney gets his vote.


    Actually the player is picked in the pre-match build-up :P

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    I hate the way you know sometimes that you aren't going to score after about 5 minutes of the game. I also hate it when you know that your star striker isn't going to score because he's alreaddy had seven attempts on goal.

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    quote:
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    No wins in 12 games!

    This drought has started me asking existential questions like:

    - Am I really this bad?
    - Should I go back to FM07?
    - Will the final patch give me the FM experience I crave?
    - If the smart cache sounds play when no one is around, does it still make sound?
    - Does a bear relieve itself in the woods? and if so, does it know how to effectively use a 442 counterattacking style?
    - Is the pope catholic? If so, how does he feel about punishing GK's who find themselves in midfield at the start of the second half?
    - If train A leaves station B at 60km pr hour, how long will it take before it gets fired for overachieving?


    Awesome.

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    quote:
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    Did you see what I did there ?

    Potboosting

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    I got a yellow card becauce somebody else asked me to get one, which is a yellow card offence to that person, and they tried to shut me up, because I started the most contraversial and relevant discussion in recent forum times.
    You can't silence me SI.

    Now send me off if you dare!!!!

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    quote:
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    Did you see what I did there ?

    potboosting


    That sounds illegal

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    quote:
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    ... no comment ...

    http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5117/35134023rj2.png

    That's nothing, I had a semi final of a Champions League game like that in FM07 where I had 15 shots on goal, Roma 0 and managed to lose the game 2-0 thanks to some marvelous individual own goals.

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    i dont know how close to real life they are but i cant stand the appearence fees, OMG they stress me right out, some players ask for 20 grand per appearence and some might have their wages at 20 odd grand its like oh come on. oh and there seems to be no room for negotiation on the performance fees, somthing i cant stand. and thats my goat well out the window

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    How a team playing at all 5's and 6's can score 4 goals within 20 minutes into a team with all 8's and the occasional 7 and 9. Seriously... completely broken team talk.

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    How my keeper doesn't even move when it's a penalty into him.

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    How my fans are disappointed with the 2 1 loss (I'm Hibs ffs) away to Rangers where I outplayed them and got denied a compelte penalty (where they also got a dodgy penalty).

    How my board are disappointed by me losing in the 5th round of the cup despite playing a team who are worth 4x my squads worth.

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    good traing and top class coaches but players dont improve

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    quote:
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    good traing and top class coaches but players dont improve


    Ahh...yes. I've noticed this. Fair enough, my training facilities aren't that good at Burscough but my coaches are all full time and at least 5* (three 7*) but I've only noticed one attribute increase in an entire year - an Everton loan player's shooting went up from 14 to 15 after having him on intensive shooting/forwards etc.

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    Hello. I am hear to complain about my board and the fact they are complete and utter toss pots.

    I am Leeds.

    Season in League 1 - My best EVER season on any FM game. I didn't lose a SINGLE league game ! You would think my board would be quite impressed with this legendary feat and the fact I spent about 300k. Oh yes, the mighty Leeds went up as champions. Alas no, losing to Arsenal away in the league cup was apparently such a big issue they thought I should be preforming better...

    Season 2 - I'm patched and not on -15 now so hoping my board may have at least a tiny amount of common sense. thinkaagain. The Championship was no match for the mighty Leeds but alas it was a more difficult season. I lost about 7 games and finished second - automatic promotion. This didn't please my board much because they were concerned about the 2-2 draw with my RESERVE SQUAD?

    Not to worry.... I'm back in the Prem now and they have kindly given me £25m to finish mid table. My team is pretty dire but I have an awesome goalkeeper and I have managed to win several games I should have lost. 10 games gone and i'm sitting 7th !

    BUT NO..... THE BOARD FEEL YOU SHOULD BE PEFORMING SLIGHTLY BETTER!!!!

    i've lost about 10 games in 3 years? HOW CAN I PERFORM BETTER YOU UTTER FOOLS. I think they may be upset I disregarded the information they provided me with about one of my strikers being out of form. Apparently not scoring in 3 PRE-SEASON friendlies is a huge cause for concern.

    Can chairman die ? Ken Bates is getting on a bit now. I'd like someone who is slightly more rational as my boss please.

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    I am very annoyed about my defenders who are seemingly scared to tackle, closing down might be fixed but tackling is messed up.
    Also when two of my CMs close down one player.
    And when my corners always seem to go near post despite them being set to mixed.

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    No scouts willing to sign for bloody Blyth.

    Certain Player/AssMan will not sign a player contract and I don't want him as my assman.

    An assman finally applies to my advert, is not so bad and is unemployed but the board block his signing because I have one.

    Spurs form this season in real life.

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    When you know you're close to getting the sack because your strikers can't score for love nor money, so you arrange a morale boosting friendly against your own Under-18s team, so they can bag four or five goals each and get their confidence off the floor. Unfortunately, your league-topping, cup-winning Under-18s haven't been given a copy of the script by your Assistant Manager and proceed to turn you over 2-0. You collect your P45 in the car park at the training ground shortly after the full-time whistle.

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    After reading this topic, I can only come up with one conclusion:

    SI have truly failed with FM08

    Its also made me depressed.

    Thanks SI

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    Did you at least read its sister thread?

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    What is getting my goat is everyone complaining about every minor thing which isn't right (a few i can understand) when the same things happen every year when the game is first released. Everybody seems to have forgotten about the red card and penalty bugs in past versions or bugs which caused you to be offered international jobs while managing in the conference. Also back in the FM05/06 days when it was simple to sell a player from the conference for 2M+.

    People have such short memories and complain like this every year when we know there are going to be major problems. I agree with the frustration but it's not like you shouldn't have expected it.

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    Kenwyne Jones being able to leap out of the stadium IRL, but can't seem to win a single header in FM08.

    The inevitable throw-in to the opposing striker.

    Deciding to play with Sunderland and realizing you have no transfer budget because they decided to buy players like Michael Chopra IRL.

    Disallowed goals on set pieces and corners.

    The sneaky feeling that this game is less realistic than 07 when Hossam Ghaly gets a hat trick. In the first half.

    The board telling you that you have sufficient resources to do your job even though you have a transfer budget under $1 million and a wage budget consumed by lame players from real life. Last time you checked you had a stadium which fits 40,000+ people and played in English Premier League.

    Constantly getting offered feeder clubs in Ireland/Iceland/Northern Ireland and having to accept just so the computer can offer you something else next time.

    Wondering why your midfield supposedly plays in the Premier League but can't string > 3 passes together.

    The computer having the nerve to quote a $10 million asking price for Carlton Cole. Seriously.

    Stephen Hunt. This guy is a serious yellow/red card machine in FM08.

    The inevitable injury to your new star signing.

    Eddie Johnson. Helps you get familiarized with the phrases "How did he miss that?" and "That was a sitter." But then runs by 4 defenders and scores by himself.

    Stadium expansion bug. You look forward to getting more seats in your stadium only to realize that even though expansion has been going on for months, the size of your stadium is still the same.

    The newsfeed telling you that big name X was bought for $30 million by the top team in your league. Meanwhile you're seriously wondering if you can force Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke to retire or have them wacked so their salaries come off your wage budget.

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    I outplay one of the old firm away from home as Hibs, and lose 3-2, and my fans are ****ed. :/

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    How my player who takes the throw in throws it straight to one of the oppositon. I understand him not being good at throws but throwing it straight to the opposition is ridiculous.

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    How me as the home team, I have to change my shirt upon conflict with my opposition.

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    My board sensibly deciding to stay part-time after promotion to the Swiss Super League. Other teams squad players have average stats around 16-17 for their key attribute.

    My star player has 12s. No-one else wants to join a part-time club.

    I got horsed 7-1 by Basel at home. The fans hate my keeper. The only replacements I can get have about 4 for handling.

    This will not be an easy season...

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    Here's what I think,

    I think SI have been spending too much time on trying to get MORE people buying their product that they have taken us for granted.

    It sounds ok, right?

    Well, not really, you see with features like the "adviser", they had to spend time implementing it. Time taken away form further developing/bullet proofing the game.

    I mean, sorry, but you'd have to be really thick not to understand the game after, say, a week or two of playing it, no?

    That is of course if you're the slightest of football fans! Which begs the question, who are the people SI are trying to lure with their "adviser"?

    Please SI, work on the core stuff, and stop wasting you time and our money with insignificant, cosmetics.


    That's what's getting my goat!

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    tedallal:

    The advisor was implemeted after alot of people had trouble getting into FM07. There was quite a few discussions last year regarding the "casual user" of FM.

    You say you have to be pretty thick not to understand FM if you've played a few weeks. Yeah, but its the first few hours/days that are frustrating for someone who picks up the game with no prior knowledge of how it's evolved or why it's setup as it is.

    I'm not saying that the release of FM08 has gone smoothly (the forums these days is evidence of that) but I dont think the reasons you mention are the cause of it.

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    Maybe not! Maybe they're not the reason.
    Nonetheless, It's still time wasted on a feature that'll become useless to me, say, 2 weeks into the game, whereas, something like the match engine or even the the media interaction are timeless features.

    I believe FM 06's match engine was the best of all. Surely that's not a good sign!

    They still get my benefit of the doubt, as there simply isn't any alternative worth wasting my time on. I'm also sure that the 0.1 patch will fix most hard-to-ignore bugs, and it'll be as good as ever. However, I'm looking for something more. This is the fourth installment of football manager; can you really see a "huge" difference between FM '08, and FM '05?

    I obviously don't : )

    Finally, I think it's supposed to be a little bit overwhelming at first; you're supposed to be managing a club for the first time, right?



    Cheers,

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    I've never used the advisor myself, and never will. Nevertheless, I see why they did it. Tbh it was about time SI caught up on a few of these things and added the advisor and updated the manual.

    I hear what you are saying, you feel like they've somehow spent valuable time on aspects of the game you dont feel are critical. And hey, thats your perrogative

    After reading a vast number of threads and posts on similar subjects I feel that the main reason why the game was released in the state that it was, is due to insufficient time being allocated to test the finished product. I dont blame the testers, or the developers for this at all, only the timetable set for release. I know alot of testing has gone on for a long time and by a lot of people. But it seems that once the game had gone "gold" there wasnt much time to test at all.

    Somewhere there is a technical project manager that either a) didnt get his way from the "suits" when it came to testing the final product.
    or
    b) didnt plan enough time to test the final product.

    I may of course be entirely mistaken

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    I agree with you, there.

    There'll always be bugs to fix, maybe this time, the bugs are a little bit too many/critical.

    But, as you said, mistakes happen, and at the end of the day, nothing a thorough patch can't fix.

    But as you know that wasn't my point, which is of course, just my opinion.


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    quote:
    But, as you said, mistakes happen, and at the end of the day, nothing a thorough patch can't fix.


    Fingers crossed on that one

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    Beautiful. Now I have two places to whinge!

    Seemingly aquaplaning. Have good players compared to the other teams, but just can't get a good performance out of them.

    The UK Government. They turned down a work permit for a guy that's been in the UK for 7 years and could almost get citizenship. Stupid ****ers!

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    quote:
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    I've never used the advisor myself, and never will. Nevertheless, I see why they did it. Tbh it was about time SI caught up on a few of these things and added the advisor and updated the manual.

    I hear what you are saying, you feel like they've somehow spent valuable time on aspects of the game you dont feel are critical. And hey, thats your perrogative

    After reading a vast number of threads and posts on similar subjects I feel that the main reason why the game was released in the state that it was, is due to insufficient time being allocated to test the finished product. I dont blame the testers, or the developers for this at all, only the timetable set for release. I know alot of testing has gone on for a long time and by a lot of people. But it seems that once the game had gone "gold" there wasnt much time to test at all.

    Somewhere there is a technical project manager that either a) didnt get his way from the "suits" when it came to testing the final product.
    or
    b) didnt plan enough time to test the final product.

    I may of course be entirely mistaken

    I think you make a very valid point. SI are left in a highly difficult position however which i have been stressing on the forums since the games release. Prior to release you see a countless number of threads here saying "When is FM08 being released" and "Hurry up and release it". Then when they go ahead and get the game out at the earliest possible time those same people come back and cry and complain saying "I want my money back" and "This game sucks, SI suck".

    A lot of people want everything here and now and they want it to be perfect. I am not 100% happy with the game as it is but i understand the situation and I'm happy to wait either for the game to be released a bit later to allow more testing/bug fixes or for SI to take their time on making a patch that will fix the issues post-release.

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    Playing rubbish teams.

    Oh well well well, what a suprise the ******** over bias towards utterly dire teams at the bottom of the league or in the cup remains in FM.

    Why is it god damn near impossible to beat the team which is bottom of the league ? This hasn't changed since FM07 and is equally annoying. We all know that in football strange results happen, on the day anyone can beat anyone. But not in FM land, NO.... every ****ing time, every god forsaken time you lose to the dirt at the bottom of the table. It's like, they have played 30 games, won 0 scored 2. You play them and they beat you 6-0. I'd rather play top of the table than bottom of the league because they are easier to beat.

    The same happens in the sodding cup as well. Oh look i'm playing someone from League 1 in the cup, oh look they are super stars. On FM07 in the 20 seasons I played I didn't win the domestic cups once because EVERY EVERY EVERY SINGLE ****ING SEASON I went out to a lower league team. Is it any different in FM08 ? is it ********. First I get taken to a replay by a 98th minute equaliser or some equally ******** ********. So I lose the replay and out of anger I hit the PC causing something to **** up and it reboots. So I play the game again, I lose again. I decide to cheat by reloading it, except even doing this I STILL CAN'T ****ING BEAT SOME **** TEAM FROM DIVISION 10. SORT IT THE **** OUT. EVERY ****ING TIME IT HAPPENS, ITS NOT A ONE OFF ITS NOT OCCASIONALLY, ITS EVERY MOTEHR****ING TIME.

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    I'm back.

    Why are playing ratings so pointless ? 6-7-8 ? yeah well that tells me alot. I've just lost 3-0, all my players had 6s and 7s. All their players also had 6s 7s and a couple of 8s. Where is the feedback ? how do I know who has actually played bad ?

    It should be common place for players get 3's and 4's. There is 10 numbers here you know, use them all. If you ever look at ratings in newspapers after games how often does the entire team get 6-7-8 ? never. Players should be scoring 4-5 on a regular basis.

    Also just because you lose your team shouldn't automatically all get worse ratings. Why is it I have 30 shots on goal, 19 on target, 60% position but I lose 1-0 to some freak goal as per usual. All my players get 6s and 7s ? I played them off the park, they should be on 8s and 9s.

    While i'm on about ratings, lets go back to my old favourite. The board/fan confidence.

    This seems to be based on average rating and nothing else. They think my top scorer, a goal every other game is rubbish because his average is 6.94 yet they think my crap DR is the best thing since sliced bread due to an average is 7.04. They think i should drop one of my players due to poor form. He's played 10 minutes in the last 3 game as a sub ffs. He scored a 6 each time due to the ******** rating system.

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    and whats with the bloody weather ? It rains every week and no matter how much or little rain there is the pitch turns into a river making the match play totally different.

    How often does a pitch turn into a total quagmire every time there is any rain ? oh yes that's right.... it doesn't. For the last 2 months I have had to play every single game in a swamp where the ball moves about 2 feet. At one point a player rounded my keeper and shot towards goal except because of all the water on the pitch the ball rolled about 5ft and stopped on the goal line.

    In FM the biggest tactical deciding factor is the bloody weather. I don't see Arsenal hoofing it up the pitch playing long ball every time it rains. The pitch needs to behave in a realstic manner and be consistent over the season. Your pitch should degrade if you have a lot of home games in a short space of time AND the weather is bad. It shouldn't randomly change from a lush pristine green park to a bog in the space of a week. Hey heres an idea, how about the pitch gets worse during a game IF there is heavy downpour ? ah yeah right, that would require some effort and some kind of GRAPHICS to be used.

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    My chairman has lost the plot

    Earlier on in the season I was fighting off bids for my star right back, I had accepted a bid for £5m before changing my mind at the last minute and pulling out of the deal.

    My chairman has just accepted a bid of £770k.

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    The game was released October 18. It's November 10. I received the game one day before the beta patch, and I've been unable to play it ever since. First it was the closing down bug, and then it was the massive, crippling morale issue that was introduced by the beta patch.

    So I've owned the game for three weeks and have not played beyond a few friendlies.

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    What is getting my goat is everyone complaining about every minor thing which isn't right (a few i can understand) when the same things happen every year when the game is first released. Everybody seems to have forgotten about the red card and penalty bugs in past versions or bugs which caused you to be offered international jobs while managing in the conference. Also back in the FM05/06 days when it was simple to sell a player from the conference for 2M+.

    People have such short memories and complain like this every year when we know there are going to be major problems. I agree with the frustration but it's not like you shouldn't have expected it.


    I just want to add that I'm not complaining! I love FM08 and am just as dismayed to see so much negativity. I see this thread as a bit of ironic fun. I think most people on this thread are just expressing their frustrations with individual games, not anything that's intrinsically wrong with the game itself.

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    Playing rubbish teams.

    Oh well well well, what a suprise the ******** over bias towards utterly dire teams at the bottom of the league or in the cup remains in FM.


    You say that but my experience is quite the opposite, one of my frustrations is that FM is too realistic and non-league teams have *never* in any game I've played got into the Third Round of the FA Cup.

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    Playing rubbish teams.

    Oh well well well, what a suprise the ******** over bias towards utterly dire teams at the bottom of the league or in the cup remains in FM.


    You say that but my experience is quite the opposite, one of my frustrations is that FM is too realistic and non-league teams have *never* in any game I've played got into the Third Round of the FA Cup.

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    Making subs.

    Why does it take like 5-10 minutes for a substitute to come on after confirming it ? You see the ball go out of play about 3-4 times yet no substitution occurs. Instead it plays on, and on, and on, and on, and on. Eventually about 10 minutes later your substitute decides to enter the fray, invariably the opposition have scored by now.

    As for the cup I have just gone out, AGAIN, to a lower league team. 0-0 they get a replay. at the replay they take me to extra time (I had 35 shots, they had 2) then beat my in extra time.

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    My despite awoiding relegation, hwne i was odds on to be relegated, my board still seem unable to overlook my 4-2 away loss to Bayern Munich.

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    You know what REALLY bugs me? When you can be dominating a team, having chance after chance and not scoring, only for the next highlight in the match to be them suddenly taking a freekick or corner (with no build up in the match engine to show you how they got to that stage) and scoring from it.

    You can go through an entire match of chances for your team, only to have (for no apparent reason) the opposition suddenly getting a set-piece chance and invariably putting it away.

    It works both ways, sure, I've had my fair share of set-pieces out of nowhere, but it more often than not is a trick that the opposition seem to be able to pull out of their asses at will.

    I'd just like to see the build up to the chance, so I can work out how to prevent it.

    Christ, it's irritating.

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    quote:
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    Hello. I am hear to complain about my board and the fact they are complete and utter toss pots.

    I am Leeds.

    Season in League 1 - My best EVER season on any FM game. I didn't lose a SINGLE league game ! You would think my board would be quite impressed with this legendary feat and the fact I spent about 300k. Oh yes, the mighty Leeds went up as champions. Alas no, losing to Arsenal away in the league cup was apparently such a big issue they thought I should be preforming better...

    Season 2 - I'm patched and not on -15 now so hoping my board may have at least a tiny amount of common sense. thinkaagain. The Championship was no match for the mighty Leeds but alas it was a more difficult season. I lost about 7 games and finished second - automatic promotion. This didn't please my board much because they were concerned about the 2-2 draw with my RESERVE SQUAD?

    Not to worry.... I'm back in the Prem now and they have kindly given me £25m to finish mid table. My team is pretty dire but I have an awesome goalkeeper and I have managed to win several games I should have lost. 10 games gone and i'm sitting 7th !

    BUT NO..... THE BOARD FEEL YOU SHOULD BE PEFORMING SLIGHTLY BETTER!!!!

    i've lost about 10 games in 3 years? HOW CAN I PERFORM BETTER YOU UTTER FOOLS. I think they may be upset I disregarded the information they provided me with about one of my strikers being out of form. Apparently not scoring in 3 PRE-SEASON friendlies is a huge cause for concern.

    Can chairman die ? Ken Bates is getting on a bit now. I'd like someone who is slightly more rational as my boss please.


    Looked at this and thought you should add at the end 'let me at'em!'

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    I can do better than that mate:



    Needless to say I have broken my desk in anger. How can I enjoy a game that is this flawed? I HAVE tried, believe me, but I'm starting to lose faith. I will wait for the patch, but this is getting ridiculous.

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    That has happened since CM/FM was created!

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    With regards to the advisor, how can a "casual gamer" get into a game which won't appear to let the user win a league match with a Newcastle side which, having won two cups the previous season (and before the patch was installed), now boasts Van der Vaart, Riquelme, Breno and Aguero?

    Just a thought.

    It just feels as though stuff like the advisor is being put into the game at the expense of real gameplay issues, such as the match engine. I've played CM/FM constantly since 96/97, so don't go telling me I'm rubbish or my squad needs time to gel - I just need an outlet for my anger.

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    My two biggest issues without beta patches installed:

    Nearly every goal from corner kick gets disallowed. I know it's the same for opponent, but still annoying and I feel almost lucky when it's not disallowed.

    Hot feet of strikers. When players, even if they'd have plenty of space to move they make silly long ranged attempt eventhough if they just took few steps they'd be in lot better position. And this combined with "one-timers" shots, when they receive pass to empty space and try silly shot right away.

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    quote:
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    With regards to the advisor, how can a "casual gamer" get into a game which won't appear to let the user win a league match with a Newcastle side which, having won two cups the previous season (and before the patch was installed), now boasts Van der Vaart, Riquelme, Breno and Aguero?

    Just a thought.


    The advisor isn't there to "win the league" for casual gamers, it's there to guide them through the UI and point out features that they might otherwise have missed.

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    Why do I always have the most wanted squad in the game 43 players and 17 listed as wanted, with Arsenal and Chelsea after 6 of my players alone. Having scouted extensively I know that there are players of comparable quality and potential at other clubs yet no one is sniffing around them. Why the hell not!!!

    Same annoying crap as 07.

    Step 1: I sign a player with potential to be a good premiership player
    Step 2: 1 year later they are wanted by at least 5 clubs including big clubs who just by looking at their squad don't even need the player
    Step 3: I reject bids of paltry amounts
    Step 4: Player demands transfer
    Step 5: Player joins big club at hot prospect despite being a squad player for me
    Step 6: Player rots in the reserves of said big club

    Repeat ad nauseum year in year out to the point of tearing my hair out.

    It even happens when I have turned my club into a title challenging club. It feels like the AI clubs have a choice of 'Scout Human controlled teams' to assign their scouts and that's the first thing they do. So goddamn aggravating

    And what's with the ridiculously low bids? I mean FFS the guy is worth 1.9m and has the potential to be a world class player what in the hell makes the AI repeatedly bid 1.8m for him. And why is it when I do the same approach the players never get frustrated at not being allowed to move clubs??

    I've said it before and I'll say it again the Human manager is treated differently in the game when it comes to transfers/player behaviour. SI can deny it all they want but it's been like this for years. AI clubs signing players for lower contracts than I offer. AI clubs having lower transfer bids accepted. AI club players not bitching about first team football with the regularity mine do. It's one giant conspiracy I tells ya

    It feels good to vent

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    Bodis - read the post mate, I don't want an advisor to "win the league", I don't really give two flying Freemans' Catalogues about the advisor. My point was that it seems quite redundant when casual gamers have virtually no chance of enjoying the game in the state it's in right now.

    And besides: "a league match" does not a league title win.

    In my ever-so-humble opinion.

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