New patch 10.2 - would you install it again given what you now know???

[_Asprilla_]

I am yet to download the 10.2 patch as I wanted to look at some feedback before I took the plunge.

It appears that there are very much mixed views on the patch, and it seems to have caused a few issues with some users.

I am happily enjoying my game on the old patch so I have mixed emotions about updating the patch.

What is your view? Would you download it or leave it for a while?

[Dicko99]

replaced the long shot bug with supergoalies and more injuries but apart from that its better than 10.1

[Chris81]

Leave it, players get fatigued way more often, and injuries occur much more,

[_Asprilla_]

Leave it, players get fatigued way more often, and injuries occur much more,

These are the main corncerns that I have - for me, that is worse than the odd long shot flying in unrealistically.

[Bill Paisley]

I'm playing it straight out of the box as the first patch slowed my game down for some reason. Having taken a quick look at the patch 2 thread i'm quite happy to continue as I am.

[teej9]

Don't install it. It's terrible for continuing a game you already have, it's completely different. Also once you play a game on 10.2 you can't open it in 10.1. Just awful, fixed a few bugs and created some that have affected my game more than the old ones. Can't score, most games end 0-0, most players are injured and those that aren't have about 65% fitness.

Keep in mind I haven't started a new game, it has just soured my old save.

[Latimerinho]

I'm at work at the moment, and so I was initially pleased to see 10.2 released and happy to see some of the alternations made.

No offence intended, but until there are a mass amount of people describing the same issue then I'll install the patch and give it a go myself. As always, I will wait a few days before I do this while I monitor the feedback given. At the moment it seems quite mixed, as you say.

[backpackant]

Some people have had problems, others are running the best ever version of the game.

I had a lot of crashes before the patch, but they have gone away. Conversely, people who never had a crash are plagued by them now.

I've read an awful lot of people who have 3rd party changes to their game (skins, facepack, FMRTE changes, etc) have had the biggest issues, so switching back to the default settings before installing the patch, then starting the game again to check it works is probably the best bet in this situation. Once it's running smoothly you can make your changes again.

But generally, working properly, I much prefer this match engine overall - the major issues seem to be fixed, so if it works I suspect most will be very happy with it.

[backpackant]

And if you download via Steam, make sure you download the correct patch. There's one for the digital downloaded game and one for the boxed version. Get the wrong one and this is a big problem.

[N1ck]

Not having any problems

[karanda_uk]

its been working fine for me, ive yet to have a game finish 0-0 or have any fitness worries.

[Karakorum]

And if you download via Steam, make sure you download the correct patch. There's one for the digital downloaded game and one for the boxed version. Get the wrong one and this is a big problem.

If you have steam dont do anything, dont download anything. Steam will do that for you.

If you download anything your game will break and puppies will die!

[jackripper]

ive dl it and no problems for me as of yet

[gooner83]

Just do what you want tbh coz there was ABSOLUTLELY NO CHANCE of evrybody finding the patch helpful as it is plainly obvious that theres no way ever to please everybody. If you want the patch download it, if you dont, then leave it. The biggest thing i have noticed tho is about the fatigue of players but i much prefer that than having a 30 yard screamer go past my keeper as i can just substitute the fatigued player or slow my play down so the patch is good for me.

[_Asprilla_]

its been working fine for me, ive yet to have a game finish 0-0 or have any fitness worries.

It seems odd that some users are suffering terribly with fitness issues and others arent.

Almost seems like this is user specific, which surely cant be the case?!

[Kreilo]

I am wondering i have a "bromley" game ongoing in 2011... do i have to start a completely new game ? or will the patch update my game database ?

[gooner83]

need to start a new save

[Kreilo]

but my game status screen says the database is 10.2.0 so thats why im confused

[eddymunster]

but my game status screen says the database is 10.2.0 so thats why im confused

As far as i am aware it fixes gameplay & ME bugs without starting a new game however database changes won't take effect.

For instance dean ashton won't suddenly disappear or anythin like that without restarting your save.

[reflection22]

Yea, it's a tough one, seeing as you can now actually sell players and the home-grown bug is fixed, but on the other side of the coin the player condition drop in matches has been drastically increased, I think i prefer 10.1.

Don't install it. It's terrible for continuing a game you already have, it's completely different. Also once you play a game on 10.2 you can't open it in 10.1. Just awful, fixed a few bugs and created some that have affected my game more than the old ones. Can't score, most games end 0-0, most players are injured and those that aren't have about 65% fitness.

Keep in mind I haven't started a new game, it has just soured my old save.

[_Asprilla_]

Yea, it\'s a tough one, seeing as you can now actually sell players and the home-grown bug is fixed, but on the other side of the coin the player condition drop in matches has been drastically increased, I think i prefer 10.1.

Has anyone from SI confirmed or denied the fitness issue?

[PjW_JJJ]

I'm playing it straight out of the box as the first patch slowed my game down for some reason. Having taken a quick look at the patch 2 thread i'm quite happy to continue as I am.

Hmmm. Actually, I was very happy with the demo. I've only played the game-proper with the first patch. Are there any gamebreakering bugs unpatched?

I'm also happy enough with patch 1. A bit slow and the odd match engine graphics jitter. I haven't noticed any gamebreakers as with old versions before the final patch. Unless those times where I jump around swearing the AI is cheating me aren't just me being paranoid and the AI REALLY IS cheating me!??

[eddymunster]

Yea, it's a tough one, seeing as you can now actually sell players and the home-grown bug is fixed, but on the other side of the coin the player condition drop in matches has been drastically increased, I think i prefer 10.1.

This is such a dilemma!

Some fixes are major improvements but there also seem to be serious problems to go with them.

On the balance of what i've read so far i don't think i will download this patch.

[Football Breath It]

I am playing the new patch i would say so far recommended :-). Game Plays smoother in 3d for me also the defence are doing what ive asked of them. Results are more realistic now, Young players training better. I am very pleased so yes I would load it

[eddymunster]

I am playing the new patch i would say so far recommended :-). Game Plays smoother in 3d for me also the defence are doing what ive asked of them. Results are more realistic now, Young players training better. I am very pleased so yes I would load it

Could you expand on 'young players training better'?

I am trying to decide weather i want to download and would like to hear the opinions of someone that likes the new patch.

How are you finding your results compared to the old patch, better, worse or similar?

Is it more difficult to score goals?

Cheers in advance.

[Neil Brock]

Player condition has been made more realistic - there are more tackles flying in in game (which people were saying had to happen) and with it has come a more reasonable number of injuries. Players are recovering in time for the next fixture. I would very much suggest running and installing the patch. I honestly don't believe there are 'serious issues' with this patch, I'm running it from my 'home' game and have found it much improved on the previous version.

[Dicko99]

Player condition has been made more realistic - there are more tackles flying in in game (which people were saying had to happen) and with it has come a more reasonable number of injuries. Players are recovering in time for the next fixture. I would very much suggest running and installing the patch. I honestly don't believe there are 'serious issues' with this patch, I'm running it from my 'home' game and have found it much improved on the previous version.

ok what about the supergoalies eh?

[zebanumut]

ok what about the supergoalies eh?

id like to hear that answer too

[rmfarey]

Definitely worth downloading the new Patch. Improves the game and i've not had any problems with Injuries.

Also the drop in stamina is good as on the previous patch i hardly had to rotate my squad as everyone was always fully fit. Makes it more realistic to use your squad more.

All in all a very good improvement.

[DMaster2]

I'm happy this far.
I had the damn crash problem before so i installed this patch asap.
Three match played (i continued my saved game) and i won 2-3 and 1-2 and draw an home game 1-1, so no problem with 0-0s.
Also i think that the condition of my players go down during the match more or less the same as before.
About supergoalie i have to admit that i see many incredible saves, but both for me and my opponent.

[stevio11]

Has the new board been put in place at Birmingham city in the new patch along with promised transfer funds.

[Faroe Islands Coach]

ok iam a stickler for mangers being hired and fired and whatever and soon as i load the game up on 10.2 every nation is hiring u20 managers england hire Indonesia manager peter white is anyone else fidning this please anyone just one person tell me ha

[Neil Brock]

ok what about the supergoalies eh?

Yeah we've put supergoalies in. If they keep five clean sheets in a row, a small animation of the keepers flying whilst wearing a cape appear.

[Robbie S]

ok iam a stickler for mangers being hired and fired and whatever and soon as i load the game up on 10.2 every nation is hiring u20 managers england hire Indonesia manager peter white is anyone else fidning this please anyone just one person tell me ha

That will be because is wasn't working previously so every youth international job that had become vacant throughout your game woudl suddenly get filled up.

[The Miner]

Player condition has been made more realistic - there are more tackles flying in in game (which people were saying had to happen) and with it has come a more reasonable number of injuries. Players are recovering in time for the next fixture. I would very much suggest running and installing the patch. I honestly don't believe there are 'serious issues' with this patch, I'm running it from my 'home' game and have found it much improved on the previous version.

Seems to be player specific which I guess is tied in to their stamina? Stamina use to be one of the first stats I ever put in when searching; no probs with going back to that.

As for the goals, the previous month to patching my scores were 2-2, 5-2, 3-2, 3-2, 3-2 - no matter how I defended I seemed to let in two, but always managed to score (I'm second in league one) - since the patch I had 2-1, 4-2, 0-1, 1-1 and 1-2 (slightly more realistic methinks - the 4-2 was in the cup against a BSQ team when I had to stick in a few U19s to rest the squad; on the plus side one of them scored a hat trick.. )

I'm happy with it - going to start again tho - my 4-1-3-2 seemd less effective than 4-4-2, but I prefer playing the traditional way anyway

TM

[eddymunster]

Player condition has been made more realistic - there are more tackles flying in in game (which people were saying had to happen) and with it has come a more reasonable number of injuries. Players are recovering in time for the next fixture. I would very much suggest running and installing the patch. I honestly don't believe there are 'serious issues' with this patch, I'm running it from my 'home' game and have found it much improved on the previous version.

Ok, I shall take your advise and download tonight. Cheers.

[blurps11]

Dunno about the "supergoalies". First game after the patch I won 7:2 with Everton at home against ManUtd. 4 goals by Yakubu, 2 by Cahill and Pienaar added one as well. 5 goals were from open play, one penalty and one after a corner. Foster was in goal for ManUtd.

This is anecdotical evidence only obviously, but you most definitely can score in 10.2. I'll see how the next matches go...

[_Asprilla_]

Player condition has been made more realistic - there are more tackles flying in in game (which people were saying had to happen) and with it has come a more reasonable number of injuries. Players are recovering in time for the next fixture. I would very much suggest running and installing the patch. I honestly don\'t believe there are \'serious issues\' with this patch, I\'m running it from my \'home\' game and have found it much improved on the previous version.

Thanks for the response Neil.

I understand the player condition dropping a little better now. You have mentioned more tackles in game, however would you and others say that the injury to tackle ratio is a fair one?

[Kung]

i find it strange,first ppl complain that defending is broke,and u can score at will.. ok,fine.... si sorts it,all of the sudden ppl whine about super goalies,lol some ppl never gets happy

[gooner83]

as i have said further up... never in a million years was this patch or any other patch make evry single person happy. Moaning seems to be alot easier than actually praising what ppl are happy with.

[Almondo]

as i have said further up... never in a million years was this patch or any other patch make evry single person happy. Moaning seems to be alot easier than actually praising what ppl are happy with.

There's a saying about this. You'll never please everyone. SI have released a patch and dealt with the long shot bug and now people say there are super goalies. Well I'm halfway through my first full season with the patch and haven't seen a super goalie anywhere

[Football Breath It]

Yeah we've put supergoalies in. If they keep five clean sheets in a row, a small animation of the keepers flying whilst wearing a cape appear.

Good answer Neil hehe, He obviously wants to go back as posted to defendersthat dont defend. He probably was playing Man U with Van der Sar in Goal when he went through his record of clean sheets hehe. Good Work SI very pleased

[Arakorn]

No. The game runs much slower, hangs up randomly, it is even harder to score (one-on-one bug was not assessed), insane amounts of cards and injuries in my first games (had not been sent off for whole seasons and then after 3 matches two red cards for me).

[PaulC]

Look, unless you are someone who deep down wants a "win" button on the match screen, I recommend you download and install 10.2, because its an improvement overall.

Cheers,
Paul

[_Asprilla_]

Look, unless you are someone who deep down wants a \\\"win\\\" button on the match screen, I recommend you download and install 10.2, because its an improvement overall.

Cheers,
Paul

I wouldnt say that was overly constructive, but thanks anyway Paul.

*looking through the FM10 manual to find the win button that PaulC mentioned*

[backpackant]

I'm scoring more on the new version. Poss because I was playing quite conservatively before to counter the well known issues. So there's no super goalie problem. Your old winning tactic will probably need tweaking, as is the case with all patches I've experienced.

Injuries come ina bit of a flurrry at first but soon calm down. Numbers are realistic.

And conditioning too is ok. If you have a 6-7 day gap it's fine. If it's 3-4 days give your players a day off. Been fine for me.

[_Asprilla_]

I\'m scoring more on the new version. Poss because I was playing quite conservatively before to counter the well known issues. So there\'s no super goalie problem. Your old winning tactic will probably need tweaking, as is the case with all patches I\'ve experienced.

Injuries come ina bit of a flurrry at first but soon calm down. Numbers are realistic.

And conditioning too is ok. If you have a 6-7 day gap it\'s fine. If it\'s 3-4 days give your players a day off. Been fine for me.

Lovely feedback - this is just the kind that is helpful.

Cheers backpackant

[backpackant]

No. The game runs much slower, hangs up randomly, it is even harder to score (one-on-one bug was not assessed), insane amounts of cards and injuries in my first games (had not been sent off for whole seasons and then after 3 matches two red cards for me).

Fixed 1v1s for me. David Villa set as poacher probably scores too many now. His conversion rate must be around 80%. Lower for others, but still. Robinho is putting them away (14 for finishing) quite a lot, and on my Leeds save Beckford is quite the machine.

[rich_barnes]

Downloaded the patch yesterday, finding it a bit annoying with the fitness thing, some players have been ending the matches very very low, 39% fit i think one of them was, may aswell forget about old players, there nackered by half time (realistic i guess), been getting quiet alot of injuries which is the reason i binned FM09 finding it unplayable really because of the huge ammount of injuries. Long shots....... didnt have any problem conceding long shots pre patch and didnt really score that many long shots myself. Im also going to have to fiddle with my tactic as this doesnt do the biz anymore.

Overall i have to say i dont really like it (maybe its because my tactic doesnt work now and results feel random again and i cant sign the usual players i have been) but ill give it another shot tommorow and see how it goes but i do get more of an FM09 feeling with this patch (which is very bad for me as thats the only cm/fm game iv ever given up on) but playing with patch 10.1 i thought the game was fantastic and SI did a really great job this year.

So just my preference but at the moment i think mainly because of the fitness thing i prefer 10.1, but we shall see.

This really isnt a dig, as iv been known to rip fmlive to pieces but i do give credit where its due and i really do think fm10 is an absolutely fantastic game.

By the way if i decide i want 10.1 back how do i remove 10.2 without doing a complete re install???

[Ezequiel_Lavezzi]

Look, unless you are someone who deep down wants a "win" button on the match screen, I recommend you download and install 10.2, because its an improvement overall.

Cheers,
Paul

Don't worry Paul.

I have noticed a sense of frustration with your posts recently and I know it might not be much, but I have a few words to say.

A lot of people on these forums (including my very own family members) jump on the rage bandwagon very quickly and blow things out of proportion.

I am extreemly pleased with the new match engine and love it how you can actually win games now defending sensibly. It seems long gone are the days of 4-0 up at half time and 4-4 draws at the end of the game.

I have enjoyed my time so far with 10.2.0 - It is not perfect, but finally we have better defending, better keepers, more parried/punched shots from the keeper, more goal mouth scrambles, and amazingly best of all....I have barely seen any stupid pass backs. (Was a pet hate of mine.)

Well done mate.

[Newky]

Look, unless you are someone who deep down wants a "win" button on the match screen, I recommend you download and install 10.2, because its an improvement overall.

Cheers,
Paul

Damn there was a "win" button in 10.1 and I missed it?

[crouchaldinho]

Yeah we've put supergoalies in. If they keep five clean sheets in a row, a small animation of the keepers flying whilst wearing a cape appear.

I love this answer!

Anyway, seriously people! Stop fretting and install the patch!

C.

[trqqls]

Everything works just fine.

[Latimerinho]

I wouldnt say that was overly constructive, but thanks anyway Paul.

*looking through the FM10 manual to find the win button that PaulC mentioned*

A, A, B, A, Left bumper, right bumper, Up, down, Start+Select

[_Asprilla_]

Downloaded the patch yesterday, finding it a bit annoying with the fitness thing, some players have been ending the matches very very low, 39% fit i think one of them was, may aswell forget about old players, there nackered by half time (realistic i guess), been getting quiet alot of injuries which is the reason i binned FM09 finding it unplayable really because of the huge ammount of injuries. Long shots....... didnt have any problem conceding long shots pre patch and didnt really score that many long shots myself. Im also going to have to fiddle with my tactic as this doesnt do the biz anymore.

Overall i have to say i dont really like it (maybe its because my tactic doesnt work now and results feel random again and i cant sign the usual players i have been) but ill give it another shot tommorow and see how it goes but i do get more of an FM09 feeling with this patch (which is very bad for me as thats the only cm/fm game iv ever given up on) but playing with patch 10.1 i thought the game was fantastic and SI did a really great job this year.

So just my preference but at the moment i think mainly because of the fitness thing i prefer 10.1, but we shall see.

This really isnt a dig, as iv been known to rip fmlive to pieces but i do give credit where its due and i really do think fm10 is an absolutely fantastic game.

By the way if i decide i want 10.1 back how do i remove 10.2 without doing a complete re install???

I suppose in the end it is a matter of opinion whether this patch is better or not. Seems to be very varied responses.

To answer your question regarding removing the patch - I believe there is on ly one way; a complete reinstall.

This is why I am holding bk a little. I dont want to have to load all of my club badges, logos, kits etc again.

[urbanjunkie]

Look, unless you are someone who deep down wants a "win" button on the match screen, I recommend you download and install 10.2, because its an improvement overall.

Cheers,
Paul

The point being, if you're a football manager, you're going to need to tweak certain things in line with the improvements made to the game.

Sounds about right to me.

[_Asprilla_]

The point being, if you\'re a football manager, you\'re going to need to tweak certain things in line with the improvements made to the game.

Sounds about right to me.

Much better put urbanjunkie. I agree indeed.

[urbanjunkie]

Paul nailed it IMO. If people think about the changes made, they'd understand (especially in the case of tactics) that some tweaking is going to be required. Probably why SI suggest you to start a new game. Makes things easier.

[dan99]

I have noticed the game hanging a lot, it never once did before I patched.

[_Asprilla_]

Paul nailed it IMO. If people think about the changes made, they\'d understand (especially in the case of tactics) that some tweaking is going to be required. Probably why SI suggest you to start a new game. Makes things easier.

I think you did actually!

However, it sometimes feels as though discussions arent allowed on this forum.

A few people gave some feedback to my original question of their experience compaired to the last patch and they receive an aggetated response from a mod.

Anyhow, cheers for the feedback urbanjunkie

[eddymunster]

Very funny! I just laughed out loud at my desk, seriously.

But that will probably not go down to well with the mods.

[Dicko99]

Very funny! I just laughed out loud at my desk, seriously.

But that will probably not go down to well with the mods.

i asked a serious question and got that stupid answer back. from someome at si aswell

[urbanjunkie]

Yeah we've put supergoalies in. If they keep five clean sheets in a row, a small animation of the keepers flying whilst wearing a cape appear.

I found a bug. This doesn't work if the forward has Kryptonite in his pants.

[crouchaldinho]

I thought you got the answer your question deserved actually Dicko99. Ask a silly question, and all that!

Pretty hilarious answer from Neil if you ask me.

C.

[eddymunster]

i asked a serious question and got that stupid answer back. from someome at si aswell

I know i would have seen my a*** as well with that comment about the cape.

I would have accepted it if it was funny, which it wasn't. If you're going to give a sarcastic answer please give it some thought!

[Dicko99]

I thought you got the answer your question deserved actually Dicko99. Ask a silly question, and all that!

Pretty hilarious answer from Neil if you ask me.

C.

seriously you need to get out of his ass

[crouchaldinho]

No need for that Dicko. It was only a bit of fun.

[_Asprilla_]

Guys - I really dont want this thread closed - so if you want to bicker please go text each other or something

[eddymunster]

Guys - I really dont want this thread closed - so if you want to bicker please text each other or something

To respond to the original question then yes i would as the majority seem to be finding it is an improvement overall. I am yet to download and try so as an impartial outsider I will be giving it a go.

[stobbs71]

10.2 is the way to go, no problems with it at all, a little harder maybe but great fun

[Staf9]

i asked a serious question and got that stupid answer back. from someome at si aswell

So "oh what about the supergaolies eh?" is a serious question???

[_Asprilla_]

10.2 is the way to go, no problems with it at all, a little harder maybe but great fun

Harder is cool with me!

[urbanjunkie]

Can someone define what they mean by super goalies? Are they saving everything kicked at them? Teams having, say 20 shots on goal and nothings ever scored?

[Staf9]

Can someone define what they mean by super goalies? Are they saving everything kicked at them? Or teams having, say 20 shots on goal and nothing scored?

Yeah thats it, 20+ shots and no goals

[urbanjunkie]

Ok. Will see for myself this evening. Although I'm continuing a save game, so I guess I wont see any significant change for a 'while' in game.

[FrazT]

Lets keep this strictly on topic please guys.

[_Asprilla_]

Lets keep this strictly on topic please guys.

Thanks FrazT for the help.

[Dicko99]

Ok. Will see for myself this evening. Although I'm continuing a save game, so I guess I wont see any significant change for a 'while' in game.

its laughable when you see it

[Wakers]

I quite like the match engine changes. I'm a bit annoyed about the amount of ccc's that world class strikers miss (even though it helps me out in my Blackburn save).

One thing though - processing time has increased, but UI responsiveness is way, way down. When I click on 'view highlights' now, there is a distinct gap of a few seconds before it even starts to do anything, pre patch it was instant.

Game seems to have a lot of 'mini-freezes' now too which is not ideal. These seem to happen when switching between player profiles and squad lists.

[The Sean]

Only played one game since installing the new patch. Haven't seen any of the concerns mentioned here. My only thought to the folks who are experiencing "super keepers" is to think about where your shots are coming from on the field and how many men are in support of those shots. If we are talking 20 shots from outside the 18, then I think it is reasonable that they could probably be stopped. If we are talking 20 shots from the 6, then we have a problem. Please be more specific about the range of the shots, the number of men in support and the positioning of the defense/keeper at the time of the initial shot. Also, please include if there are rebound opportunities. Finally, it is probably a waste to post about the occasional diving header that you thought should have gone in but was saved anyway. To get to the bottom of this and give SI credible feedback, we need to keep it objective.

[deep64blue]

I've had my criticisms of FM 2010 but I have to say this patch makes this the best football management simulation ever.

[Neil Brock]

I quite like the match engine changes. I'm a bit annoyed about the amount of ccc's that world class strikers miss (even though it helps me out in my Blackburn save).

One thing though - processing time has increased, but UI responsiveness is way, way down. When I click on 'view highlights' now, there is a distinct gap of a few seconds before it even starts to do anything, pre patch it was instant.

Game seems to have a lot of 'mini-freezes' now too which is not ideal. These seem to happen when switching between player profiles and squad lists.

Yeah we have been looking into this, but it's a very random issue. Some people have found deleting the cache does help (details on how to do so in the FAQ). Thanks.

[Robbie S]

Downloaded the patch yesterday, finding it a bit annoying with the fitness thing, some players have been ending the matches very very low, 39%

I guarantee you that the player had picked up an injury during the match, unless of course the player started the match on 50% fitness. A players fitness wouldn't drop from 90%-30% during a game without a knock.

[H Y P Z]

Some people will always be complainers, no matter what. Keep that in mind.

[teej9]

Some people will always be complainers, no matter what. Keep that in mind.

That's a bit harsh, people just have different preferences.

I, for one, loved 10.1. I thought it was great. For whatever reason the patched version just isn't any fun for me. The tactics and squad I built over 8 seasons is now worthless. I know that it's probably my fault, but I'm not one for extreme micro-management and without that it's tough to have any fun. I don't want to have to issue fifty individual player instructions or risk getting destroyed by a bottom feeder.

That said I love FM and will either figure it out or go back to FM 08.

[Fabregas_04]

Played one game, and instantly noticed the keeper heroics. This was before reading any feedback. I was Arsenal vs Inter and Toldo made at least 6 of the most unbelieveable saves, the defying physics type, so SI should maybe look at improving the 3d representation of what's actually happening on the pitch. There is physically no way Toldo could have made those saves.

Don't even have the save to give you 'cos it made me quit in rage and delete the career!

[pauly15]

Are team talks still very heavily weighted? Big comebacks happening too often?

[Rage1999]

Don't install it. It's terrible for continuing a game you already have, it's completely different. Also once you play a game on 10.2 you can't open it in 10.1. Just awful, fixed a few bugs and created some that have affected my game more than the old ones. Can't score, most games end 0-0, most players are injured and those that aren't have about 65% fitness.

Keep in mind I haven't started a new game, it has just soured my old save.

THIS.

I much preferred the 10.1 version.

[stokes_83]

There is 0% chance I would have installed 10.2 if I knew the way it played.

- strikers suck
- goalies make gravity defying saves but then next time they will lose the ball in their feet like they are wacked on dope
- injuries are out of freakin control
- fatigue is out of freakin control
- the changes are so drastic that everyone's tactics that took forever to perfect are now completely awful.

The ME is just plain freakin awful. no other way to put it

[Jamie543]

There is 0% chance I would have installed 10.2 if I knew the way it played.

- strikers suck
- goalies make gravity defying saves but then next time they will lose the ball in their feet like they are wacked on dope
- injuries are out of freakin control
- fatigue is out of freakin control
- the changes are so drastic that everyone's tactics that took forever to perfect are now completely awful.

The ME is just plain freakin awful. no other way to put it

I find none of the above to be true in my game. Just cuz fatigue has been adjusted doesnt mean its out of control do you honesly expect a player to play a game then 3 days later to be at 100% fitness? This just doesnt happen in real life.
I have yet to have a major injury i have had players out for 5 to 9 days but thats it take a look at the list of currently injured players in the premier league i know off hand that Arsenal and West Ham have 5 or more players injured.
Strikers on 10.1 scored way to many goal the current changes are more realistic have you seen a player score more then 50 or even 40 goals a season in real life?

[timmy]

how are the strikers doing with one on one chnaces?

[wwfan]

- the changes are so drastic that everyone's tactics that took forever to perfect are now completely awful.

And there I was thinking I was doing quite well. Thanks for letting me know it was all an illusion.

[Almondo]

- the changes are so drastic that everyone's tactics that took forever to perfect are now completely awful.

Thanks for telling me my tactic that took 2 mins to put together on 10.1 is awful. There was me thinking it had got me 26 games unbeaten with Adelaide United FC. Must have been a dream I had then.

[Adam.S]

Previously strikers would score wayyyy to much. Carlton cole scored 30 goals a season and i would always score in a game it was ridiculous. Looking forward to playing with 10.2 this weekend....Dont worry SI you cannot please everyone.

[fyl2u]

Yeah we've put supergoalies in. If they keep five clean sheets in a row, a small animation of the keepers flying whilst wearing a cape appear.

Superb!

[teej9]

Whatever adjustments went into the strikers is a little weird in my game. 29 league games played 69 scored, not bad. Strikers have accounted for 12. Yet, in the same season a 31 year old Sylvan Ebanks-Blake has already put away 37 prem goals and four AI strikers hit for at least 30. Just seems odd.

[tingting]

Strikers on 10.1 scored way to many goal the current changes are more realistic have you seen a player score more then 50 or even 40 goals a season in real life?

This was the reason that was given in the last version also when world class strikers missed sitters because someone had come with a brilliant stat that strikers only managed to convert less than a third of their shots on target. However what was happening was that until 9.3 patch, strikers missed clear chances including one on ones. I agree that strikers seem to score unrealistically in 10.1 too...but the area to be tweaked is goals scored from long shots or headers (again there is a difference between clear headers and winning headers against defenders) or shots from inside the area when under pressure from defenders.

I have not yet installed the patch but i hope that in order to reduce the number of goals from strikers, their ability to score from clear chances is not reduced. For example even while a world class striker like Wayne Rooney has very low ratio in converting in one on one chances, i think on a season average, a Drogba a Henry or a Torres will finish off more than 80% of their clear chances.

[rich_barnes]

I guarantee you that the player had picked up an injury during the match, unless of course the player started the match on 50% fitness. A players fitness wouldn't drop from 90%-30% during a game without a knock.

Iv deleted the save now so cant check, not sure i could if i hadnt deleted it anyway but Miles Addison playing at dm finished the match at 39% fitness and did not have a green injury marker against him at the end of the game, it was a midweek game so there had been a game at the weekend, iv no idea what he started out at as i didnt want to know untill after the game, but i can tell you i wouldnt have played him if he was 50% 60% or even 70%.

He may have got a knock but nothing to cause a slight injury.

Again, i am not slating Si im just saying that its obviously there or all these people wouldnt be complaining about it. If i dont like it ill reinstall and play 10.1, i dont mind, i didnt have any problems with that patch.

[_Asprilla_]

Thank you all for your comments - one thing I am taking from all of this is that 10.2 has made the game more realsitc - which IMO is a good thing.

I am leaning towards downloading this. In the last patch (10.1) people were saying the defending was awful. I myself never found this to be the case. With time dedicated to the tactics I managed to defend well.

[reflection22]

I don't know why people keep saying 'it's not realistic for a player to be at 100% fitness 3 or 4 days later'? Erm, when did this ever happen? In 10.1, the most I'd ever have a player on for a midweek game was 95 or 96%, but the majority (especially midfielders) would be around 92-94%. I thought it was already pretty realistic. Not sure where this 100% myth comes from.

I find none of the above to be true in my game. Just cuz fatigue has been adjusted doesnt mean its out of control do you honesly expect a player to play a game then 3 days later to be at 100% fitness? This just doesnt happen in real life.
I have yet to have a major injury i have had players out for 5 to 9 days but thats it take a look at the list of currently injured players in the premier league i know off hand that Arsenal and West Ham have 5 or more players injured.
Strikers on 10.1 scored way to many goal the current changes are more realistic have you seen a player score more then 50 or even 40 goals a season in real life?