25 man squad ??????????

[cca3steve]

this is a stupid rule, i thought it was only in champions league,

[trekman]

Its a new rule for England and Wales.

[Maidel]

Blame the FA not SI...

Dont forget you dont need to register anyone under the age of 21 - so you can have 25 senior players and 100 under 21s and they can all play in the premiership.

[Mike7077]

Is it true that this can screw up squad numbers?

[Maidel]

What do you mean by 'screw up'

Only the 25 registered players get squad numbers (you can only assign 25) so I often have a pitch full of players who dont have registered numbers (Im arsenal and im carrying on wengers signing youth players rules)

[Valonz]

25 man squad rule is awesome. I wish Italian league had it too.

[Mike7077]

What do you mean by 'screw up'

Only the 25 registered players get squad numbers (you can only assign 25) so I often have a pitch full of players who dont have registered numbers (Im arsenal and im carrying on wengers signing youth players rules)

I'm sure I read something on here about gaps being filled inappropriately. By that I mean that if, say, you hadn't registered a number 1 and then named a player aged under 21 to play up front in a match, he'd get the number 1 automatically.


When does this kick in in real life? And does it mean that the days of players wearing stupidly high numbers have gone in England?

[Maidel]

at the end of the transfer window in september and again in january.

As for the numbers being filled 'inappropriately' well if you didnt give a player the number 1 shirt in a previous version and you put on a player who didnt have a squad number it would give him the number 1 shirt unless you specifically changed it.

Its only inappropriate to you - other countries give different players different numbers - its only us that goes GK1, Rb2, LB3, DMC4, DC5, DC6, MR7, MC8, ST9, ST10, ML11.

[arsenal_2111]

It starts from next season Mike.

Basically, you give 25 players squad numbers. Then you can play them, plus any under 21 players you want, in Prem matches. However, under 21 players that aren't registered are given random numbers (the same one throughout the season however) when you play them.

And it's normally logical, the number a player gets. For example, I've always had the 1 shirt empty and an outfield player never gets that.

[Maidel]

Not so (or in my case not so) - none of my under 21s have been given a squad number despite playing in many many games - when I select them on the tactical screen they come up without a number on their shirt.

[arsenal_2111]

Yeah, but when you get into the game they get given one which they normally stick to throughout the season.

[Maidel]

Nope, sorry - my players change their squad numbers.

What you are seeing is an illusion. IF you have registered 25 players and you have 3 or 4 youth players who you regularly play, they will get 26,27,28,29 as their squad numbers - and if you put the defenders as a lower down sub, and the strikers as a high numbered sub, you will often see them getting the same numbers.

3 of my players have had the 28 shirt, 4 the 26 shirt and I cant be bothered to go on and look for more.

Infact, despite having used 11 players without squad numbers, ive never had one of them wear anything higher than 29. (Ive never used more than 4 of them in the same team obviously)

[tottenhamfmo7]

New rule for England too, as well as Europa League

[eldeniro]

I've seen a good few players who turn up with number "-1" on these boards, with screen shots backing it up. There was one guy who was playing against a team with 3 players wearing -1 in the one match day squad. I hate the idea personally (not blaming SI obviously, its not their fault) of not being to give players any number I want. Tevez not wearing 32 will just look weird

[Maidel]

Im sure that next year he wont be able to wear 32 either. Maybe he will get 23?

[eldeniro]

They'll probably find a way to give him number 11 cuz I think that's what he wears for Argentina - not sure though

[Boy_Wonda]

Well, Tevez wont be allowed the number 23 shirt at Man City as it's retired... Marc Vivien Foe.

Are shirt number retirements taken into account in all this?

[Pawel_lfc]

Yes this screw up squad numbers. Another bug.

[Blanchflower1]

Yes this screw up squad numbers. Another bug.

Why are there so many bugs! I hope SI fix this on the upcoming patch!

[Maidel]

Im sorry - how is this a 'screw up' there is no bug here - this is what the FA are introducing next year.

[baker.simon]

Yes this screw up squad numbers. Another bug.

Wrong, its not a bug, its a real life rule. Not everything is a bug!

Why are there so many bugs! I hope SI fix this on the upcoming patch!

Wrong, its not a bug, its a real life rule. Not everything is a bug!

[Dicko99]

Im sorry - how is this a 'screw up' there is no bug here - this is what the FA are introducing next year.

Wrong, its not a bug, its a real life rule. Not everything is a bug!



Wrong, its not a bug, its a real life rule. Not everything is a bug!

yes there are bugs. look at this screenie

http://img97.imageshack.us/i/buggyp.jpg/

[eldeniro]

I bet you that in real life there'll be a way around the whole squad number thing. Didn't Pedro and Busquets wear numbers 27 and 28 last season for Barca? They were probably registered on the B team or because they're under 21 they got numbers above 25. Maybe next season in the premiership there'll be some mad way around it. I know the 25 man squad rule is set in stone now but do we actually know for a fact that it's going to affect squad numbers?

[baker.simon]

yes there are bugs. look at this screenie

http://img97.imageshack.us/i/buggyp.jpg/

Yes ^^^ That IS a bug. And its been reported quite a lot.

I was reffering to the 2 people who said it screwed up squad numbers (not being able to give Tevez 32 for example) and was merely pointing out that that particular part IS NOT a bug, and thats what will happen irl.

Although, i do think that players such as Tevez will still be able to have 32, as long as its their assigned squad number.

[kilik]

it does mess up numbers as if you play a player younger than 21 who isnt registered it makes them have the -1 number on their shirt

[Maidel]

The -1 thing is a bug - the original poster was not complaining about that - so to then say 'its a bug' is wrong.

The -1 thing is a graphical glitch that should be reported in the bugs forum - its totally separate from the fact that the 1-25 squad numbers is a FA rule and NOT a bug.

[baker.simon]

The -1 thing is a bug - the original poster was not complaining about that - so to then say 'its a bug' is wrong.

The -1 thing is a graphical glitch that should be reported in the bugs forum - its totally separate from the fact that the 1-25 squad numbers is a FA rule and NOT a bug.

Thats what i was trying to say lol

[Archduke Franz]

This squad numbers thing is really annoying, squad numbers and registration should be kept separate seperate in the way that you would choose European squads. That would be such a simple way to fix that issue.

[Maidel]

I assume its not been kept separate because this is the way the FA will be doing it in 2011.

[Archduke Franz]

It can't be only numbers 1-25 when the quota doesn't include players under 21. It's too early to say how the FA will do it but they certainly won't be going back to two different players wearing the same number in consecutive weeks like they way SI have implemented this.

[Maidel]

to be honest - I susspect that they will say that the numbers have to be 1-25 and then youth players can be whatever the club want them to be.

[Archduke Franz]

Well, you're obviously just speculating there, but if it's true then it would mean Cristiano Ronaldo wouldn't have been allowed to be number 7 when he signed for Man U as that would mean a waste of an over 21 space. I think it's more likely it'll just be like the way European registrations are carried out, it's stupid that a player has to lose their number to deregister them if they have a long term injury or something. Can you imagine another player wearing '11' for Man Utd if Giggs was out for six months?

[Maidel]

Of course im speculating... but, erm... so are you....

[Archduke Franz]

Yes, but at least I've given an element of reason to my argument. Players are not registered by the fact they have a squad number, there are players in the Premier League who are undoubtedly registered and eligible to play but haven't been allocated a squad number.

[Maidel]

Not so. by the current method players are registered by their squad number - so when you register a player to play you do that by giving him a squad number. If they dont have a squad number they cant play - they need to register a player with the FA and give him a squad number - what player in the premier league doesnt have a squad number???

The champions league is different because the players are already registered to play in their country by their squad number.

If you change the registration method (eg only 25 players registered) in the league structure, then logicially this would change the way squad numbers are allocated.

[Arsenal_Fan_1986]

25 man squad rule is awesome. I wish Italian league had it too.

Can you imagine poor AC Milan with a few injuries. Not sure what there squad is like these days, Iknow a couple of years ago they were all around the 35 mark. I couldn't beleive Maldini was still playing!

[gonzález]

Tevez can still wear 32 - You register your players, choosing their squad numbers. So Tevez can be registered as number 32 or 99, and he will take up one slot of 25.

The annoying thing is, players under 21 who are not registered, will have a different number each game they play, depending on how many other unregistered players are playing too.

There should, therefore be a separate thing - you register 25 players for the Premier League (just as you do with the Europa & Champions League) and then you give however many players you want numbers which they keep for the season.

[Maidel]

Tevez can still wear 32 - You register your players, choosing their squad numbers. So Tevez can be registered as number 32 or 99, and he will take up one slot of 25.

You have tried this? Post 2011?

Because I only got to register the first 25 squad numbers.

[baker.simon]

You have tried this? Post 2011?

Because I only got to register the first 25 squad numbers.

Yes its possible, as i said in post no 24

[Maidel]

Yes its possible, as i said in post no 24

No you didnt.

You said you 'think' its possible

[baker.simon]

No you didnt.

You said you 'think' its possible

Yeah, i was 99% sure at the time

[Maidel]

Meh - when I see 'think' I assume somewhere between 50/50 and 75% sure.

I will try this next season and see what happens - april of this season, should be there in about 2-3 hours.

[gonzález]

Yes I have tried it post 2011 I'm in 2014 in the game now.

[Archduke Franz]

Not so. by the current method players are registered by their squad number - so when you register a player to play you do that by giving him a squad number. If they dont have a squad number they cant play - they need to register a player with the FA and give him a squad number - what player in the premier league doesnt have a squad number???

The champions league is different because the players are already registered to play in their country by their squad number.

If you change the registration method (eg only 25 players registered) in the league structure, then logicially this would change the way squad numbers are allocated.

What you're saying makes no sense when it comes to domestic competitions. After the first season in FM you cannot allocate more than 25 squad numbers to players over 21, and yet in the League Cup every player in your squad is eligible. So, you can put players on the pitch who don't have a squad number, does that make sense?

Oh, Maceo Rigters doesn't have a squad number for Blackburn.

[Maidel]

Firstly - I said that CURRENTLY all players have to have a squad registration in order to play - that is why they are 'unveiled' and photographed holding their squad shirt when they are first signed. In the current rules you cannot play in the league cup unless you have a shirt number and a registration.

Secondly - as has been mentioned previously - the FA have not announced how the new registration process will go - and have not mentioned how it will affect the FA/ League cup so SI cant possibly know how this will be affected.

And as for your maceo rigters - In July 2009 Rigters was told he was free to find himself a new club. He subsequently undertook a trial at Southend F.C. in an attempt to earn himself a contract with the club. However the trial was not successful and he returned to Blackburn Rovers to wait for another trial offer.

Blackburn evidentally have no intention of playing him - and if they ever did, he would have to be registered and a squad number assigned to him.

[gonzález]

The way SI have implemented it is incorrect, which is a shame but I am sure they will fix it.
All they need to do is let us assign as many squad numbers as we want - and have a separate screen to register 25 players. That way we can register 25 over-21 players, but give every player a squad number - registered or not. That way those who are not registered for the League can still play (and have their number) if they are registered for Europe, and youngsters can keep their number for the whole season without using up a registration spot.

[Archduke Franz]

Firstly - I said that CURRENTLY all players have to have a squad registration in order to play - that is why they are 'unveiled' and photographed holding their squad shirt when they are first signed. In the current rules you cannot play in the league cup unless you have a shirt number and a registration.

Secondly - as has been mentioned previously - the FA have not announced how the new registration process will go - and have not mentioned how it will affect the FA/ League cup so SI cant possibly know how this will be affected.

And as for your maceo rigters - In July 2009 Rigters was told he was free to find himself a new club. He subsequently undertook a trial at Southend F.C. in an attempt to earn himself a contract with the club. However the trial was not successful and he returned to Blackburn Rovers to wait for another trial offer.

Blackburn evidentally have no intention of playing him - and if they ever did, he would have to be registered and a squad number assigned to him.

Well, he's still a bloody Blackburn Rovers player and he doesn't have a squad number, basta! Of course the rules are unclear but I don't see why you can't have an unlimited number of squad numbers assigned, which obviously means that the registration would have to be separate to the numbers. By your logic it would be impossible to play unregistered players in cup competitions, which it has been stated will be allowed. One thing is fairly certain is that we're not going back to the old days of 1-11, so gonzailez is right and this is an issue that needs to be fixed. If I want to I should be allowed to have two separate squads for the league and Europe, but the way it is currently that's not possible without having daft numbers assigned to your Euro players.

I know it's not exactly the most important part of the game but I'd just like to be able to give my players a squad number that will stick with them for the whole season rather than having to remember which number shirt my youngsters are wearing this week.

[Maidel]

Well, he's still a bloody Blackburn Rovers player and he doesn't have a squad number, basta! .

WTF is your problem? Thats either spanish for 'enough' or an attempt to swear at me without breaking the 'rules'.

Of course the rules are unclear but I don't see why you can't have an unlimited number of squad numbers assigned, which obviously means that the registration would have to be separate to the numbers. By your logic it would be impossible to play unregistered players in cup competitions, which it has been stated will be allowed..

No. You seem unable to separate this years rules and next years rules. CURRENTLY you cannot play in the league cup without being registered AND the method by which registration takes place is the assigment of a squad number.

IF NEXT year when they are changing the rules they decide that squad regisration does NOT require a squad number then there isnt an issue. As for squad numbers ALWAYS being required - far from it - it wasnt until

I know it's not exactly the most important part of the game but I'd just like to be able to give my players a squad number that will stick with them for the whole season rather than having to remember which number shirt my youngsters are wearing this week.

So would I - but I think SI have done this intentionally because they simply dont know how the FA are going to play it.

[Archduke Franz]

Well, it's Italian, but maybe the same as Spanish, it's like ça suffit. As for this argument, it seems a bit pointless, I'd say it's beneficial for everyone if SI produce a better game rather than you fighting their corner. I appreciate their hard work and dedication to realism, but in my opinion they'd have been better off not including it at all if they can't do it properly in such a short time scale. I know that it's unclear what the rules will be but I'm fairly sure that the way the FA will play it won't involve players sharing squad numbers from week to week.

[Maidel]

I'd say it's beneficial for everyone if SI produce a better game rather than you fighting their corner.

Im not fighting anyones 'corner' appart from my own (and no, I dont represent SI in anyway)

SI cant do anything without upsetting someone. They have had to implement this, although they dont know how it will be fully implemented. If they hadnt implemented it they would have 5million smart arses starting threads like 'SI is so stupid they dont even know that next year the EPL has a 25man squad'.

Frankly - they cant win.

[Pidge]

On a side issue, my game said that any number which had been filled couldn't be replaced, which suggests the whole season, is this just a wording issue or will I not be able to replace players without selling in January? I guess I may as well not register any U21 players at all (apart from some HG guys, as it always feels a bit better to meet your 8 player compliment), so I can keep the spots free in case I need to sign someone older in January.

[sando123]

caught me out this seen it pop up but didnt think anything of it forgot to put in a few players thinking i wouldnt have to

[Bababui]

Im not fighting anyones 'corner' appart from my own (and no, I dont represent SI in anyway)

SI cant do anything without upsetting someone. They have had to implement this, although they dont know how it will be fully implemented. If they hadnt implemented it they would have 5million smart arses starting threads like 'SI is so stupid they dont even know that next year the EPL has a 25man squad'.

Frankly - they cant win.

They could make it an option and everyone could play the game the way they wanted and be happy.

[baker.simon]

They could make it an option and everyone could play the game the way they wanted and be happy.

It shouldnt be an option, it should be there for whoever is playing as it will be a real life rule. People can play how they want, but playing by rules for the competition your playing in should be as standard.

[Bababui]

It shouldnt be an option, it should be there for whoever is playing as it will be a real life rule. People can play how they want, but playing by rules for the competition your playing in should be as standard.

You contradict yourself with that last sentence. We also know it will be a rule at least for a year or two. What we dont know is if it will stay a rule. A couple reasons for making these rules optional each season is 1)To change the mix a bit in long term games and keep them interesting; 2)Make the game more realistic (If # of subs was optional in FM 2007 then it would add to the realism going into season 2009-2010.)

[joey6]

Can you de-register players and register new players? such as if you have 26 players, play 1 in the reserves and if need be, drop an injured player out and add the reserve player?

[baker.simon]

Can you de-register players and register new players? such as if you have 26 players, play 1 in the reserves and if need be, drop an injured player out and add the reserve player?

As it stands, you get 2 registration windows that run along side transfer windows. In this time you can de-select any of your registered players and replace them with others. Only players over 21 need to be registered, so you can play under 21's but they wont have a fixed squad number in game. So one game they will wear 27, and the next game maybe 30 etc.

[baker.simon]

You contradict yourself with that last sentence. We also know it will be a rule at least for a year or two. What we dont know is if it will stay a rule. A couple reasons for making these rules optional each season is 1)To change the mix a bit in long term games and keep them interesting; 2)Make the game more realistic (If # of subs was optional in FM 2007 then it would add to the realism going into season 2009-2010.)

Sorry, i didnt believe i was contradicting myself but i guess its hard to emphasise text

Let me try and clear it up for you. Basically what i meant is that, rules are rules and should be enforced in game as they would be irl. People *can* already play the game how they want it numerous other ways, but allowing people to pick and choose what rules they play by is wrong as they cant do that irl.

Hope this is better

[Bababui]

Sorry, i didnt believe i was contradicting myself but i guess its hard to emphasise text

Let me try and clear it up for you. Basically what i meant is that, rules are rules and should be enforced in game as they would be irl. People *can* already play the game how they want it numerous other ways, but allowing people to pick and choose what rules they play by is wrong as they cant do that irl.

Hope this is better

This game doesnt really mirror RL though. What 24 year old with no management experience can step in and manage Chelsea? SI put it in because it makes the game more fun; to make the game realistic would be to force us to start at the lowest tier and work our way up. I dont think anyone is hurt when each user is allowed to configure the game s/he wants to play.

[Archduke Franz]

Im not fighting anyones 'corner' appart from my own (and no, I dont represent SI in anyway)

SI cant do anything without upsetting someone. They have had to implement this, although they dont know how it will be fully implemented. If they hadnt implemented it they would have 5million smart arses starting threads like 'SI is so stupid they dont even know that next year the EPL has a 25man squad'.

Frankly - they cant win.

Granted, I finally agree with you, or you with me, that SI have kind of implemented it, but in a shoddy way. As per the registration of players it seems to be implemented perfectly, but the fact you can alter squad numbers week to week is almost certainly not going to be realistic and of course I'm no soothsayer, but I reckon it's highly likely that players 21 and under will be expected to have squad numbers under the new rules. I just hope they fix this, I've played the Austrian leagues quite a bit and that's done in a similar vein, it's a pedantic point, but the whole logic in squad numbers is that the number belongs to a player for that season and not that it's possible to switch them around week by week. The only way to solve this when you have to allocate squad numbers a month before the registration is by having squad numbers and registration as two separate facets of the game.

There, rant over and no conflict intended.

[baker.simon]

This game doesnt really mirror RL though. What 24 year old with no management experience can step in and manage Chelsea? SI put it in because it makes the game more fun; to make the game realistic would be to force us to start at the lowest tier and work our way up. I dont think anyone is hurt when each user is allowed to configure the game s/he wants to play.

I see your point about 24 year olds and Chelsea. But then thats a user element. I certainly wouldnt want to have to work from the bottom on every save so to have the choice of who to manage is essential. Whats not essential is to be able to pick and choose the rules to play by. These should be the real life rules as its not really a game play issue, ie it doesnt hurt having to register just 25 players whilst still being able to play your under 21's.

Parts of the game where it should be gameplay over realism are things that hold you back like stadium rules and regulations. The crux of my point being that rules in the game that aren't included, aren't included becasue they would ruin the fun of the game. Having a squad of 25 wont affect gameplay, and will become a real rule so it should be in and not an option

[danielpalace]

I see your point about 24 year olds and Chelsea. But then thats a user element. I certainly wouldnt want to have to work from the bottom on every save so to have the choice of who to manage is essential. Whats not essential is to be able to pick and choose the rules to play by. These should be the real life rules as its not really a game play issue, ie it doesnt hurt having to register just 25 players whilst still being able to play your under 21's.

Parts of the game where it should be gameplay over realism are things that hold you back like stadium rules and regulations. The crux of my point being that rules in the game that aren't included, aren't included becasue they would ruin the fun of the game. Having a squad of 25 wont affect gameplay, and will become a real rule so it should be in and not an option

Im chelsea and registerd my 25 players and i couldnt play anyone 21 and under?

[toemouse]

Tevez can still wear 32 - You register your players, choosing their squad numbers. So Tevez can be registered as number 32 or 99, and he will take up one slot of 25.

The annoying thing is, players under 21 who are not registered, will have a different number each game they play, depending on how many other unregistered players are playing too.

There should, therefore be a separate thing - you register 25 players for the Premier League (just as you do with the Europa & Champions League) and then you give however many players you want numbers which they keep for the season.

This man has it sorted. All it needs is one screen to register squad numbers, as per usual, and then another screen to register your 25 man squad, just like you would if you're managing a team in the champions league.

I can't imagine that that'd be too much hassle to sort out for SI, although i'm sure they have far greater issues to sort out? I'm hopeful it'll be sorted in the February patch though.

[Maidel]

Im chelsea and registerd my 25 players and i couldnt play anyone 21 and under?

Are you in the first or second season.

Because if you are in your first season its the normal rules - register your squad numbers and away you go.

IF you are in your second season then it should let you register 25 players and anyone under 21 should be able to play as normal - just select them in your team and away you go (They wont have squad numbers)

IF this still isnt working for you - I suggest going to the bugs forum and posting it there - because it definately does work for me.

[r0x0r]

Rather than numbers, it should just be an in/out registration system like for Europe.

[deFt[7]*]

I do hope they improve this feature by allowing us to allocate squad numbers for U-21 players that aren't registered. As mentioned in post 4, U-21 players who are not registered are given random numbers.

I managed Man Utd and I had a promising youngster. I wanted to give him number 7. But logically of cause I will register senior players instead since U-21 players need not be registered. I wanted to give the promising youngster number 7 but they do not allow me to do so because i exceeded 25 players. That is normal because the rules say so.

So I wish that u-21 players can be given squad numbers in the future. However, is that possible? Because, if it is against the rules in real-life, it will not happen right? To maintain realism?

[DP]

Rather than numbers, it should just be an in/out registration system like for Europe.

This, this, this.

There is no evidence at all that the Premier League will be restricting squad numbers to 25 so why has it been implemented?

Man United currently have more than 25 squad numbers registered. Are the FA really going to insist some players don't get a squad number?

I don't think so.

This feature takes a lot of character away from the game and needs fixing in patch 2 urgently.

[Maidel]

Man United currently have more than 25 squad numbers registered. Are the FA really going to insist some players don't get a squad number?

Well, yes possibly. IF man U have more than 25 players over the age of 21 then yes, unfortunately next year only 25 of them will be allowed to play in the premiership (dont know if it also counts in the cups) so Man U can give them all squad numbers - but they still wont be able to play, so they might as well not bother giving them a number.

[cryolemon]

Its only inappropriate to you - other countries give different players different numbers - its only us that goes GK1, Rb2, LB3, DMC4, DC5, DC6, MR7, MC8, ST9, ST10, ML11.

I think it's basically a Europe - South America split.

Well, Tevez wont be allowed the number 23 shirt at Man City as it's retired... Marc Vivien Foe.

Are shirt number retirements taken into account in all this?

Is there anything in the rule that says teh squad numbers have to be 1-25? If so that's just silly.

[Maidel]

I think it's basically a Europe - South America split..

On a total tangent - how is theirs different? Id be interrested to know

Is there anything in the rule that says teh squad numbers have to be 1-25? If so that's just silly.

Someone has already tested it - apparantly you can assign whatever numbers you want - but only 25 of them.

[cryolemon]

On a total tangent - how is theirs different? Id be interrested to know

I can't actually remember now, but I think it's to do with them traditionally using different formations.

Just looked it up, from wikipedia:

In Brazil, the 4-2-4 formation was developed independently from Europe, thus leading to a different numbering - here shown in the 4-3-3 formation to stress that in Brazil, number ten is midfield:

* 1 Goleiro (Goalkeeper)
* 2 Lateral Direito (right wingback)
* 3 Beque Central (center back)
* 4 Quarto Zagueiro (the "fourth defender", almost the same as a centre back)
* 6 Lateral Esquerdo (left wingback)
* 5 Volante ("Rudder", the defensive midfielder)
* 8 Meia Direita (right midfielder)
* 10 Meia Esquerda (left midfielder, generally more offensive than the right one)
* 7 Ponta Direita (right winger)
* 9 Centro-Avante (centre forward)
* 11 Ponta Esquerda (left winger)

Someone has already tested it - apparantly you can assign whatever numbers you want - but only 25 of them.

That makes a lot more sense, is that going to be the real life rule? If so why would Tevez not wear 32?

[Maidel]

That makes a lot more sense, is that going to be the real life rule? If so why would Tevez not wear 32?

he can - the guy was quoting a bit that was before we had it answered

[Marshdweller]

I would assume (with no real basis admittedly) that in real life it clubs will be allowed to assign any number, but only 25 of them.

My thinking is that the clubs/players would probably protest given the number of high-profile players who are now associated with a number higher than 25: Tevez (32), Terry (26), Anelka (39), Bendtner (52) ... that's just off the top of my head.

[Archduke Franz]

Rather than numbers, it should just be an in/out registration system like for Europe.

Exactly, that is the only way. Players under 21 will also be expected to have squad numbers meaning more than 25 will be allocated, as well as the fact no registration will apply to cup competitions.

[DP]

Exactly, that is the only way. Players under 21 will also be expected to have squad numbers meaning more than 25 will be allocated, as well as the fact no registration will apply to cup competitions.

It seems SI have commented on this and said it's too complex for a patch. Which is a big shame IMO.

There are situations when you play Arsenal, where half of their team don't get a squad number as they are under 21 - yet they are still key players.

Takes a lot of identity away from the game. Is there nothing that can be done?

[Archduke Franz]

It seems SI have commented on this and said it's too complex for a patch. Which is a big shame IMO.

There are situations when you play Arsenal, where half of their team don't get a squad number as they are under 21 - yet they are still key players.

Takes a lot of identity away from the game. Is there nothing that can be done?

Surely they have to at least allow younger players to have squad numbers. Currently you can allocate them squad numbers but it means they are counted towards your 25 man squad, which is stupid. May I ask where SI mentioned it was too much for the patch?

[AXERTYRE]

This is so unrealistic when I can't assign squad numbers to my U21s, why the hell do they need to have different numbers week in week out? SI needs to sort this out.

[Alizzle]

SI has to give the possibility to register 25 players but with the numbers between 1 and 99. What I don't understand is that we have to chose between 1 and 25. For example Jeffren from Barcelona wears number 35 but when I register him in the squad of 25 I have to chose anumber etween 1 and 25. That isn't realistic. Please solve the probleme.

thx

[Barkermush]

I can't believe the FA are bringing this rule in, It sucks. One of the reasons why i love the Prem, Any team can buy whoever they want and play them when they want without these registration rules.

Is it just for the Premier League or all English leagues?

[Maidel]

But thats just not true - the premier league has one the strictest work permit rules in europe - other leagues have far far more freedom than the premiership in who they sign.

Unless the teams dont have a single player under the age of 21 then this rule really affects nobody.

[Barkermush]

Yeah but it currently does not have a registration rule. At the moment say a team like Man City could have played 25 players and then decide they need a new player, Buy one and they can play him freely but with the new rule they won't be able to do this.
I know we have a strict work permit rules, And now add this registration rule on top, Hence it sucks.
Apart from Arsenal not many top Premier League teams play players under the age of 21 often so it will affect some teams.

Also is it 25 players registered for the enitre season? If so, Then guess there will be no more January transfer window or not much point to it anyway.

[Maidel]

No - you can swap in and out in january.

And just to give you and idea of how little impact this will make - Man city only have 23 first team players over the age of 21. Man U have 20.

I could go on, but I cant be bothered.

[Barkermush]

Ah thats ok if you can swap in and out during transfer windows.

I know, Thinking about it now in my head, I guess its not so bad.
Not many teams do play with more than 25 players. You could play two different line-ups and still have 3 players left over, And on top of that as many players U-21. So i understand what you mean, It makes no difference at all in reality.

I guess like most people i just don't like/am afraid of change.

[DP]

No - you can swap in and out in january.

And just to give you and idea of how little impact this will make - Man city only have 23 first team players over the age of 21. Man U have 20.

I could go on, but I cant be bothered.

But this issue is aethestic and impacts on the identities of players.

ie young players not having a permanent squad number in the game.

They need to fix this in Spain as well as Jeffren at Barca has 35. Why can't you have this on the game?

Totally wrong and I'm sure it could be easily solved.

[Bodis]

I dont like the rule at all (not blaming SI obviously)! This is the reason I never used to manage in Spain, I just despised the registration rule.

In my second season with Liverpool now and have just about managed to keep inside the rules, but next year 4 of my first team players will move above the 21 mark, which means I have to sell 4 players from the first team and replace them with younger players, not happy about that.

I guess you could say its ageism :-)

[DP]

The problem for me isn't the rule though!!!!

It's the implementation of the rule that SI have got wrong!

[antg1985]

Why can't it be done like registering for the champions league.

Say you give the squad the squad numbers as usual as high as you want, but the register the players in the competition like you do with the champions league?

Is it just me or would that be easier and clearer?

[shoome]

I would assume (with no real basis admittedly) that in real life it clubs will be allowed to assign any number, but only 25 of them.

My thinking is that the clubs/players would probably protest given the number of high-profile players who are now associated with a number higher than 25: Tevez (32), Terry (26), Anelka (39), Bendtner (52) ... that's just off the top of my head.

Indeed ... and rather more pertinently, those clubs who have retired shirts in honour of former players (West Ham, Man City etc).

[DP]

Indeed ... and rather more pertinently, those clubs who have retired shirts in honour of former players (West Ham, Man City etc).

I don't think you people are getting it.

Squad numbers is not linked to the players you can register.

Clubs will still be able to give out 99 squad numbers - if they wished - but they would only be allowed to REGISTER 25 of these.

[shoome]

I don't think you people are getting it.

Squad numbers is not linked to the players you can register.

I'm not sure why you have quoted my post as I have never suggested otherwise. And I'm getting plenty, thank you very much...

[Arsenal_Fan_1986]

Someone has asked a question above and as far as I can see it hasn't been answered. Will this rule affect just the premiership? If it's not restricted to the premier league then how far down does the rule apply?

Won't really bother me to know the latter as I will be Arsenal when I eventually start the game but I may fancy bringing a small League 2 side up the ranks if I get bored with Arsenal.

[Maidel]

I don't think you people are getting it.

Squad numbers is not linked to the players you can register.

Clubs will still be able to give out 99 squad numbers - if they wished - but they would only be allowed to REGISTER 25 of these.

Yes and no.


CURRENTLY squad numbers ARE linked to player registration - in order to register a player to play in your premiership team you have to assign him a squad number (both in game and in real life).

What SI have done is follow that on to next year, which obviously wont be the same as this year.

[Archduke Franz]

Yes and no.


CURRENTLY squad numbers ARE linked to player registration - in order to register a player to play in your premiership team you have to assign him a squad number (both in game and in real life).

What SI have done is follow that on to next year, which obviously wont be the same as this year.

I don't think that's necessarily the case, most U18 players for Premier League teams don't have squad numbers but I'd be highly surprised if they weren't registered 'just in case'.

Secondly, you don't have to allocate U21 players a squad number in game, but I'm sure you will have to in real life before you can play them.

[Maidel]

Right - end of - this is the premier league HAND BOOK - the RULES:

http://www.premierleague.com/staticF...~117086,00.pdf

P54:

Player Identification
1. Before the commencement of each Season each Club shall allocate a different shirt number to each
member of its first team squad.
2. A Club shall likewise allocate a shirt number to any Player joining its first team squad during the
Season.


AS I SAID - in order to play under the CURRENT rules you have to have a squad number - its part of the registration process. U18s are not registed to play in the premier league unless they have a squad number (so its a good indication of your place within the club if you do or dont have a squad number!)

The reason why SI have done this is that they dont want to have to re-write the background rules of the registration process, so when they limited the players to 25 they just left it that these were the only players to get a squad number.


Im sure in real life you are right, U21s will have to get a squad number, but, we dont know that for a fact and it would have meant SI re-writing the entire section on player numbering for something for which we dont have the rules. Ive double checked - the premier league website doesnt have the rules for next season, only this one.

[Archduke Franz]

Right - end of - this is the premier league HAND BOOK - the RULES:

http://www.premierleague.com/staticF...~117086,00.pdf

P54:

Player Identification
1. Before the commencement of each Season each Club shall allocate a different shirt number to each
member of its first team squad.
2. A Club shall likewise allocate a shirt number to any Player joining its first team squad during the
Season.


AS I SAID - in order to play under the CURRENT rules you have to have a squad number - its part of the registration process. U18s are not registed to play in the premier league unless they have a squad number (so its a good indication of your place within the club if you do or dont have a squad number!)

The reason why SI have done this is that they dont want to have to re-write the background rules of the registration process, so when they limited the players to 25 they just left it that these were the only players to get a squad number.


Im sure in real life you are right, U21s will have to get a squad number, but, we dont know that for a fact and it would have meant SI re-writing the entire section on player numbering for something for which we dont have the rules. Ive double checked - the premier league website doesnt have the rules for next season, only this one.

The section you refer to is only to do with player identification and makes no referrence at all to player registration. It doesn't say anywhere that to register a player they must be assigned a squad number.

[Maidel]

The section you refer to is only to do with player identification and makes no referrence at all to player registration. It doesn't say anywhere that to register a player they must be assigned a squad number.

What you say is true - but you omit the important part.

It doesn't say anywhere that to register a player they must be assigned a squad number. UNLESS they actually want to play in the premiership, in which case, you have to do what it says and give them a squad number.



There is:

Registered to the club

Registered to play in the premiership (have a squad number)

Registered to play in the champions league.


Under the current rules (FM10 and previous) the top two are one and the same - you register a player to play in the premiership by giving them a squad number.

For the year after (10/11 season) as many people have said you have to register players and THEN register players to play in the premiership - squad numbers where always connected before, now they arent. But for SI to put this into practice, they would have to completely rewrite the section on player registration - which isnt easy as they have said it cant even be patched as its too much work.

Im not saying SI have done it right - they have put into the game something which isnt fully established in real life. Had they omited it, they would have been chastised, having included it (badly) they are also being chastised.

[Archduke Franz]

What you say is true - but you omit the important part.

It doesn't say anywhere that to register a player they must be assigned a squad number. UNLESS they actually want to play in the premiership, in which case, you have to do what it says and give them a squad number.



There is:

Registered to the club

Registered to play in the premiership (have a squad number)

Registered to play in the champions league.


Under the current rules (FM10 and previous) the top two are one and the same - you register a player to play in the premiership by giving them a squad number.

For the year after (10/11 season) as many people have said you have to register players and THEN register players to play in the premiership - squad numbers where always connected before, now they arent. But for SI to put this into practice, they would have to completely rewrite the section on player registration - which isnt easy as they have said it cant even be patched as its too much work.

Im not saying SI have done it right - they have put into the game something which isnt fully established in real life. Had they omited it, they would have been chastised, having included it (badly) they are also being chastised.

I quite like the way it's currently implemented though without having to pre register, I only allocate players a number on match day of their debut and if they'd not play for whatever reason they'd get no number. I doubt it's possible to do it this way in the future unless they have separate screens for numbers and registration.

I have no knowledge of the Champions League registration process for about five years or so because I stopper managing the glory teams long ago and currently only manage Sunderland or St Poelten, who I've only managed a modest amount of success with (ie, UEFA Cup on a very good season), but I'd imagine it should, in theory at least, be possible to register 25 players for the PL, and an entirely separate 25 players for the CL. I know this is unlikely to ever happen in real life, but as FM is about realism, if it's possible it should be there.

I appreciate SI for trying, it was a nice touch to add in the seven subs after the first season last year, but that was implemented perfectly. If instead of being squad numbers they were merely an 'In' or 'Out' selector it would be implemented perfectly this year, but to me it all looks like a but of a work around and without meaning to be ungrateful I'd prefer that they'd either do it 100% properly or not at all.

[kktf]

I think they can use the same code in which they are using for the player registration for any European competition, in which a player, whether or not he is allocated a squad number, can be register to play in the competition.

[llama3]

This squad numbers thing is really annoying, squad numbers and registration should be kept separate seperate in the way that you would choose European squads. That would be such a simple way to fix that issue.

perfect. thats exactly what i would like to see. so you can issue squad numbers to young players so they play carling cup etc

[anakin1975]

Would be nice if SI stated what they plan to do to sort this.