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    Ok, now i know that people will come on here and say that he is a valuavle member of their team hence the reason why the asking price but i just had a bid of £70 for David Villa rejected. I do understand that he is a valuable player for them, i also understand that the market is slightly overpriced but still £70 million!!!!!! want the game to represent real life? Ronaldo was very very very valuable for Man Utd but they sold him for £80 million, Kaka was even more important for Milan and they sold him for £57 million. Compare what Kaka and Ronaldo have won and achieved in their career and then tell me whether or not this value on Villa is ridiculous. No one on this site can tell me that Valencia would reject a bid of £50m for Villa irl especially give their precarious financial position. Aguero is another example, nothing less than £50 million will be accepted, Real got Benzema for £35m and he was as important to Lyon as Aguero is to At. Madrid. He too is equally as talented. I managed to get Aguero for £40 million in FM09 which i feel represents better value for money.

    Please guys, don't see this as FM bashing or one of thoes moaning threads that does not give the game time. I truely do believe that this is a better version than last year and previous FM versions. Apart from this issue i think the game is truely flawless so far. I hope this is sorted for the release or patch 1.

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    What club are you?

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    Man Utd but that shouldn't matter. Got £80m for Ronaldo but £50m for Villa is more than enough is it not?

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    Ronaldo - wanted to go
    Benzema - wanted to go
    Kaka - AC Milan needed the money
    Villa - doesn't want to go and perhaps the club are in a good financial position so that the chairman won't accept a big offer over the manager's head.

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    I think, in reality 50m would get him but we don't know that for sure and predicting real life figures 100% of the time isn't possible. For me, most of the transfer fees being asked for are very fair. There will always be players who are too much but that's the nature of the game.

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    errrr..... 'Kaka - AC Milan needed the money'. Need to keep up with the news mate. Valencia were in a worse state than Milan. What difference does it make if Villa does not want to go, if Valencia get a good offer and they accept he will have to listen. Kaka didnt want to move in January but that did not stop Milan accepting Man City's offer and then kaka rejected them. Ronaldo wanted to o but that did not make a difference as United still got a good price. Whether he wanted to leave or not made no difference to the price as that was between United and Madrid.

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    i do agree with you neji but my point is that they accepted a bid of £80m for him in the end which is the same as Ronaldo's fee but the is a difference in class. Oh well, thats my view and others have different views which i accept so i'll leave it there as its still a fantastic version of the series..........

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    I had to pay £80million for Villa, also with Man Utd, they didn't even start negotiations untill my bid got to £60 million. Only about £50m came out of my budget though, as I paid £38m up front and £42m over 48months. He's hit 19 goals and 1 assist in 20 games for me though, so can't complain :-)

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    I think its right that clubs ask for silly money for their key players. And if you are really patient then chances are you can get your man at a lower price somewhere along the line......

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    De Rossi cost me 50 million for the Arsenal

    Crazy money

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    On FM09 I paid £130M for somebody once! You offer £50M, they reject and then you offer £80M, they reject and then you offer £100M and they negotiate it to £130! That's plain stupid!

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    Just started a Man City game for a laugh

    Valencia will settle for a deal of 141,000,000 for Villa

    110million immediate, 31.5 over 36 months.

    I would screen grab if I knew how

    There is realistic and there is down right mad

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    Yeah, it's still unrealistic but I find it all far better than on 09. Now that game had a silly transfer system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furry View Post
    De Rossi cost me 50 million for the Arsenal

    Crazy money
    I got De Rossi for 33m with Arsenal, which I didn't think was too bad. Wouldn't pay it in a proper game though.

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    I got a bid of 50m + Anderson + Carrick accepted for Villa. Only problem was Carrick didn't want to leave so it never happened. Initially they wanted over 100m but i changed the bid to a more reasonable figure and then went in with a non-negotiable deal. They accepted and I got to offer a contract. Unfortunately Carrick didn't want to go to Spain.

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    I had a £64M bid accepted by Liverpool for Steven Gerrard.

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    Yea I got that ridiculously high quote as well, just negotiate it down, I guarantee you he won't cost more than £80m. Still quite high though admittedly, but not THAT high. I think transfer prices in general seem more reasonable than last years game.

    Quote Originally Posted by furry View Post
    Just started a Man City game for a laugh

    Valencia will settle for a deal of 141,000,000 for Villa

    110million immediate, 31.5 over 36 months.

    I would screen grab if I knew how

    There is realistic and there is down right mad

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    i think the difference maybe the others maybe engineered moves, villa has not. Kaka not certain but probably did.

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    Note: Valencia's financial situation is much better now - they no longer have to sell Silva or Villa to stay afloat. They have every right to reject bids for them.

    And if you bid silly they'll turn it down in hopes an even sillier bid comes in.

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    I now have Inter wanting 113million cash for Maicon, my last bid after I just started on silly money was 75.

    There is no way they don't sell for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by reflection22 View Post
    Yea I got that ridiculously high quote as well, just negotiate it down, I guarantee you he won't cost more than £80m. Still quite high though admittedly, but not THAT high. I think transfer prices in general seem more reasonable than last years game.
    40 up front
    40 36 months is what i paid in the end

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    The prices have always been ridiculous and by the looks of it always will be. Villa does want to leave Valencia if a big club wants him, he was reported to have broke down crying when the Barcelona deal fell through in the summer. Valencia are in no state to reject even a 50 mil offer. Man U are not a rival team. Have to agree with the OP, there is no reason for Valencia to reject this move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_CFC View Post
    The prices have always been ridiculous and by the looks of it always will be. Villa does want to leave Valencia if a big club wants him, he was reported to have broke down crying when the Barcelona deal fell through in the summer. Valencia are in no state to reject even a 50 mil offer. Man U are not a rival team. Have to agree with the OP, there is no reason for Valencia to reject this move.
    1) Villa loves the club and will only leave if Valencia desperately need the cash.
    2) Valencia have their short-term financial future secure - the debt still exists, though, but they don't need to sell yet.

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    valencia rejected offers close to 50 million pound in the summer so its not that unrealistic and hes been there top scorer for like the last 4 seasons

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    if you want the game to be realistic then Villa should never accept contract offers from any english team, hes said he never wants play anywhere but the La Liga and now Barca have got Ibra i cant see him ever leaving the mestalla
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    Quote Originally Posted by regs View Post
    valencia rejected offers close to 50 million pound in the summer so its not that unrealistic and hes been there top scorer for like the last 4 seasons
    Apologies to pick out this regs but I understood that the going price was about £30m IRL. Real Madrid had spent big on three frowards, Barcelona on Zlatan, and then it was sort of left to Man Utd who I think may have bid that amount but I think Villa wanted to play for a club in Spain, so then SAF then got Owen, or he wanted to wait to use the money from the Ronaldo sale. Back to the OP and I agree. Valencia are not a big club period. He is 28 in December, and would like to say how may people of 28 or older can command a fee of over £30m and who in IRL have cost £30m or more that are about to turn 28. (Just thought of Zlatan but that deal was crazy and not the norm) Yes he is a very good player with a proven record in La Liga but not in the Champions League. For me at the start of the game £40m at a push and come the second season certainly less than that!

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    Bloody hell!

    Manchester United were never in for Villa. We made a bid for Benzema but it was short of Real Madrid's bid and Sir Alex didn't feel like getting into a bidding war with them.

    Valencia are a big club - arguably the third largest in Spain - and they can hold onto their players.

    Villa is easily above £30m - I'd say Valencia will hold out for over £60m if Real Madrid come calling as they have cash.

    Villa is not quite proven in the Champions League because of Valencia's hilarious management woes - but if he is in it, he would tear it apart. He is a brilliant striker. Look at his record for Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulC View Post
    I think its right that clubs ask for silly money for their key players. And if you are really patient then chances are you can get your man at a lower price somewhere along the line......
    I've been arguing this in a different thread all day, at last someone who agrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    Bloody hell!

    Manchester United were never in for Villa. We made a bid for Benzema but it was short of Real Madrid's bid and Sir Alex didn't feel like getting into a bidding war with them.

    Valencia are a big club - arguably the third largest in Spain - and they can hold onto their players.

    Villa is easily above £30m - I'd say Valencia will hold out for over £60m if Real Madrid come calling as they have cash.

    Villa is not quite proven in the Champions League because of Valencia's hilarious management woes - but if he is in it, he would tear it apart. He is a brilliant striker. Look at his record for Spain.
    Fair enough Valencia are the third biggest club in Spain and are members of the G-14 and having just read an article on them and it seems they are very well surported and are soon to move into a bigger stadium. But for me they are not a 'big' club in terms of Barcelona, Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Bayern - for me they are a class above Valencia.

    Hold onto their players (forgive spelling) mendiata and C. Lopez spring to mind and they went to Lazio again not a big club but at that time had success in Italy and a minor European Competition. I can't argree that Valencia are a 'big' club only in terms of Spain.

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    God why would you start your fm game trying to buy players like David Villa and managing Man Utd, then coming on here and complaining when you can't just have all the best players. Classic signs of a certain type of Utd fan, can't understand not being and supporting the best in things.

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    The transfer market in FM09 9.1.0 is not stupid I felt it was best out of all updates for FM09.

    By the sounds of it the transfer market in FM10 seems to be on track. Charging Man City more than other clubs would be normal in real life as everyone knows they have silly amounts of cash.

    I have not went a major club in FM10 yet but I am curious to know if fees received for key players are as high as you would pay for key players on other major teams. As this was a big problem in V9.3.0. Getting weak bids for players you would get very god bids for in 9.1.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Fair enough Valencia are the third biggest club in Spain and are members of the G-14 and having just read an article on them and it seems they are very well surported and are soon to move into a bigger stadium. But for me they are not a 'big' club in terms of Barcelona, Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Bayern - for me they are a class above Valencia.

    Hold onto their players (forgive spelling) mendiata and C. Lopez spring to mind and they went to Lazio again not a big club but at that time had success in Italy and a minor European Competition. I can't argree that Valencia are a 'big' club only in terms of Spain.
    Those clubs are bigger than Valencia but not much bigger.

    And Mendieta and López left Valencia at the turn of the millennium! That was ages ago. If they weren't a big club they wouldn't have been able to hold on to Villa and Silva, who have never looked like wanting to leave unless it was for the pure financial benefits for the club and the board agreed to sell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    Those clubs are bigger than Valencia but not much bigger.

    And Mendieta and López left Valencia at the turn of the millennium! That was ages ago. If they weren't a big club they wouldn't have been able to hold on to Villa and Silva, who have never looked like wanting to leave unless it was for the pure financial benefits for the club and the board agreed to sell them.
    Don't mean to disagree for the sake of it. But at around 2000 surely valencia were bigger then than now!!! Two champions league finals and winning the league in 2002. And even in 2004 when they won the league and Uefa cup, for me they were more of a name back then than they are today. Surely saying that becasue they have kept villa and silva does not mean that they are a big club. If Villa was a bit younger than he would have left this summer and do you thnik silva will still be there in the future? Its subjective I guess....

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    u need more strategies before making u offer , man

    AI is much richer than u ,remember

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    I managed to buy him with FC Barcelona for £75 million last night. Crazy price, I agree, but barca did fail to buy him this summer, because Valencia wanted an insane amount for him.

    So go figure

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    The transfermarket is better this year, because I could sign Silva for £27 million for example .

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    i am arsenal, i bought hamsik for 12 million and vargas for 9 million. i had a 10mill offer for Dzeke rejected tho

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    Well I got Thomas Kristensen for 875K with Wigan...

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    i couldnt get anyone with portsmouth no money at all

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    I love the FM10 tranfer market that I've seen so far, at last clubs are valuing their players properly. No more "I started with FC United, gave them £50m, bought 25 mega stars and have won the triple 30 years on the trot" posts. The real point of FM is like real life - fight for every point, fight for every trophy. If you want to win everything and sign everyone it's probably best for you to try fifa or one of these bargain bucket 'management' games

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    I managed to get De Rossi for 37m.... well worth it though as he scored 2 long range screamers in his first game

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    I think the game needs a grey area AI deciding mechanism instead of a pure black and white. The AI needs to understand the sum being paid, in terms of what caliber of a player they can bring in as a replacement. If they are offered 50 million for Villa and they can say get someone in the range of Eto (although unlikely cause he just moved to Inter), Aguero, Forlan, Defoe, or whoever else for say 20-30million range, then they made a profit, no?

    I have also yet to see this trail out in FM2010.. The best example I can come up with is when Torres got sold and within a very short time period Atletico had brought in Forlan as the replacement..

    I am usually Liverpool and if the huge offer comes for any of my key players I do usually take the cash, but it seems like in my situation Tom Hicks will accept the offer on my behalf if the offer is even remotely good....

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    Maybe the high valuation of clubs is a polite way of saying 'sorry but he isnt for sale, but if you offer me a stupid, stupid amount then we will listen'

    Now where is that different to real life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pp4eva View Post
    Maybe the high valuation of clubs is a polite way of saying 'sorry but he isnt for sale, but if you offer me a stupid, stupid amount then we will listen'

    Now where is that different to real life?
    Absolutely. Also bear in mind that Villa has publicly stated he has no desire to leave.

    As Chelsea I signed:
    Chiellini for £25m straight cash (in July).
    Cassano for £17.5m (10m up front, the rest over 12months)
    Milyevski for £9m straight cash

    I tried for Aguero and Villa, but like others they wanted waaaayyy too much money. So I went to other targets who I thought might want to come and whose clubs might be willing to sell.

    Man City I got:
    Gerrard for £47million (although he rejected the contract)
    Chiellini for £21million (closer to the end of August)
    Ashley Young for £22million (they REALLY didn't want to sell)
    Villa for £65million (although I got cold feet and Adabayor was scoring for fun, so I pulled out of that one).
    Aguero for £48million (inc some small add-ons, like goals scored, PLUS a 35% sell on clause - pulled out of that one too)

    All of the above, I consider to be fair and reasonable.

    Overall, it's not going to be perfect, but it's way, way better than FM09.

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    you can get srna for £17mil Akinfeev cost me £30mil and silva £30mil

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    Quote Originally Posted by pp4eva View Post
    Maybe the high valuation of clubs is a polite way of saying 'sorry but he isnt for sale, but if you offer me a stupid, stupid amount then we will listen'

    Now where is that different to real life?
    I agree, basically the club are saying - "we'd be stupid to sell him so you'll pay stupid money to make up for it."

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    This is exactly what happens irl

    You are going in with a cold bid and just saying right here I am cash rich and I want that player no matter what, When in real life that hardly ever happens. Take the Ronaldo transfer for example Madrid did not just turn up one day and say here is £80 million, They had to wait over 3 years to get there man dropping hints and unsettling him along the way. They did pay a lot but that’s a lot less than if they had just made the bid and Ronaldo had not pushed it through.

    People want FM to be like real life but then want the easy, quick way to make the best team it will not and cannot work like that you need to wait for the full game and have patience when trying to sign people that's what the player comments are in the game for!

    It is possible to upset players and make them want to join in the first season but that is unlikely to happen with players such as Messi, Villa and the likes as they are happy where they are and will not just drop everything and move because a new manager has made a bid.
    The club and player both need to be unsettled and this takes time!!
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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    The computer clubs demand often crazily high fees it seems to me, but they only seem to bid near asking price for your players and as for swap deals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryMills View Post
    The computer clubs demand often crazily high fees it seems to me, but they only seem to bid near asking price for your players and as for swap deals...
    There is nothing to stop you asking for crazy money for your players too though. If I don't want to sell someone I'll command a massive fee.
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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    If you really want the player just spread the payment over 48 months or something. But yeah the only reason they ask for such highly inflated prices is because they dont want him to leave... and if they do sell him they want enough money to make a decent replacement.. plus some.

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    A lot of people on here need to plan their transfers better and learn to negotiate, very rarely will a first offer be accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackripper View Post
    you can get srna for £17mil Akinfeev cost me £30mil and silva £30mil
    I got a bid for Srna at £9.5 million accepted last night. Seems it varies quite a lot.

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    sometimes its better to try and unsettle the player first. it makes the player want to go and the club sometimes sells for less.

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    Default Re: £70 Million David Villa

    And sometimes, a player wont go anywhere. Just like real life.

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    I think some people have unrealistic expectations when it comes to transfers and just need to learn a little patience.
    When I make transfers I always follow this strategy.
    1. Player interact (say I think he's good player/youngster/one for future etc)
    2. Enquire with club (if they give a valuation ill begin negotiations go to step 4, if not continue to step 3)
    3. Player interact (tell him I intend to make bid and will try to sign him)
    4. If given valuation that is acceptable in step 2, make a bid or if not acceptable adjust accordingly. Otherwise ill make my first bid for the player at this point.
    I tend to offer the value + 25% = initial bid (eg. £4million + £1million = £5million) I then increase the bid by 50% each time until I get a bid accepted.

    This is just how I make my transfers and im not saying that this is the best way or that every one should follow the same strategy. Im only saying that this is what works for me and that just a little patience with transfers often results in getting better prices for players and is more rewarding as a result.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattlesnake_85 View Post
    I think some people have unrealistic expectations when it comes to transfers and just need to learn a little patience.
    When I make transfers I always follow this strategy.
    1. Player interact (say I think he's good player/youngster/one for future etc)
    2. Enquire with club (if they give a valuation ill begin negotiations go to step 4, if not continue to step 3)
    3. Player interact (tell him I intend to make bid and will try to sign him)
    4. If given valuation that is acceptable in step 2, make a bid or if not acceptable adjust accordingly. Otherwise ill make my first bid for the player at this point.
    I tend to offer the value + 25% = initial bid (eg. £4million + £1million = £5million) I then increase the bid by 50% each time until I get a bid accepted.

    This is just how I make my transfers and im not saying that this is the best way or that every one should follow the same strategy. Im only saying that this is what works for me and that just a little patience with transfers often results in getting better prices for players and is more rewarding as a result.

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    A good stratergy. But I'm guessing even then there are occasions where you still can't get your man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    A good stratergy. But I'm guessing even then there are occasions where you still can't get your man?
    Of course, but thats what its like in real life.
    If im at a club with limited budget but still want the player ill try again in the future just like real life clubs (even Man City and Real Madrid negotiate prices) which is what we want this game to emulate eventually...isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattlesnake_85 View Post
    Of course, but thats what its like in real life.
    If im at a club with limited budget but still want the player ill try again in the future just like real life clubs (even Man City and Real Madrid negotiate prices) which is what we want this game to emulate eventually...isn't it?
    I could not agree more. And I'm glad that someone else has a same line of thinking. IMO it's the most realistic transfer market in ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20leGend99 View Post
    I got a bid of 50m + Anderson + Carrick accepted for Villa. Only problem was Carrick didn't want to leave so it never happened. Initially they wanted over 100m but i changed the bid to a more reasonable figure and then went in with a non-negotiable deal. They accepted and I got to offer a contract. Unfortunately Carrick didn't want to go to Spain.
    That's the most horrible and unreasonable deal you could ever imagine. Insane cash plus two important players for a 28-year-old striker, that's ridiculous.

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    I wonder what the displayed price is for ?
    What is the reason for a player to be displayed as worth of 5m if you can not buy him for 5m ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nev147 View Post
    Don't mean to disagree for the sake of it. But at around 2000 surely valencia were bigger then than now!!! Two champions league finals and winning the league in 2002. And even in 2004 when they won the league and Uefa cup, for me they were more of a name back then than they are today. Surely saying that becasue they have kept villa and silva does not mean that they are a big club. If Villa was a bit younger than he would have left this summer and do you thnik silva will still be there in the future? Its subjective I guess....
    No, if Villa was younger, he would have stayed.

    In case you didn't realise, Villa loves the club.

    Silva is also loathe to leave although he knows the financial situation of the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    I wonder what the displayed price is for ?
    What is the reason for a player to be displayed as worth of 5m if you can not buy him for 5m ?
    That's his value when you take into account things like experience, contract etc. The selling club will then add on extra money as they see fit in order to recieve what they see as adequate compensation, or purely as an attempt to discourage you from nabbing their top names.

    Less important players are often avaiable for a similar amount to their value. For example I have signed Vicente from Valencia for £4.8m when his value was £5m. How? Because they have less requirement for him as they have Silva and Mata who are younger more versatile and probably a bit better.

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    Villa was top goalscorer in European Championships and La Liga's top National scorer so it would make sense for the offer to have to be big in order to buy him. To think that because you are Man Utd or Chelsea or Arsenal or whoever that a player will simply join you is unrealistic. Some players value their family life ahead of a move to wherever, in the case of Villa, a move abroad. Having a young family is probably the key reason why irl Villa didn't want to move to the Premiership in the summer. This can change but its unrealistic to believe that money will be the sole realistic factor. Not everyone moves for money and not every club sells for money. If you take the example of the Man City squad, most of those players would not move abroad. Amazing to think that Jermaine Pennant went to Zaragoza since that would seem unlikely a few years ago, so technically the same rule applies. Well done SI on this one, it may frustrate gameplay but it makes it more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    That's his value when you take into account things like experience, contract etc. The selling club will then add on extra money as they see fit in order to recieve what they see as adequate compensation, or purely as an attempt to discourage you from nabbing their top names.

    Less important players are often avaiable for a similar amount to their value. For example I have signed Vicente from Valencia for £4.8m when his value was £5m. How? Because they have less requirement for him as they have Silva and Mata who are younger more versatile and probably a bit better.
    Totally pointless , the displayed number should be selling/buying price and "not for transfer" if the club don't wanna sell him .

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    Just as bad when the AI offer for one of your star players yet you negotiate it up a few million and they go away in a huff. It has to work both ways and imo it never has in this respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    Totally pointless , the displayed number should be selling/buying price and "not for transfer" if the club don't wanna sell him .
    That would just totally take the fun out of transfer dealings for me. It's not a bloody supermarket, after all. I actually like that two players of very similar value may move for significantly different fees, makes it a bit more unpredictable. Your suggestion means that we'd merely have to put together a shopping list at the start of every pre-season and buy everything on it. And I do that more than enough IRL, thank you very much.

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    But: if you have a player important as Villa in your team, or a player you "love"...would you sell it with that kind of offer?
    Have you ever rejected some similar offer?
    If yes, you can't say the AI is not logic. If you do it, why can't the AI do it too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Funk View Post
    But: if you have a player important as Villa in your team, or a player you "love"...would you sell it with that kind of offer?
    Have you ever rejected some similar offer?
    If yes, you can't say the AI is not logic. If you do it, why can't the AI do it too?
    Exactly. Nobody is saying Villa is "worth" 70m but it's more Valencia's way of saying "he's not for sale unless you pay this totally unrealistic price because we don't want to, or need to, sell him".

    It's similar to the dealings in the summer with Chelsea allegedly putting a 50m price tag on John Terry. Nobody really believes that slow lump is worth 50m but Chelsea didn't want to sell because he's their captain so they just asked for silly money which they never thought anyone would be willing to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    Totally pointless , the displayed number should be selling/buying price and "not for transfer" if the club don't wanna sell him .

    In a way I agree with you and if we didn't have values attached to the players it would stop all these type of threads on the boards.

    With scouting reports also now showing a more realistic "buying" price perhaps its time these "value" figures were done away with completely.

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    I see transfer value as "What price would I put on this player's skills as an individual, ignoring his impact on the team and removing all emotive feelings on this player - i.e. he is favoured?"

    Or "If I could melt down Villa's ability into, say, gold - how much would I sell this piece of gold for?"

    It is used as a base but circumstances in the team will make the value different. Don't want a player? His value goes down. Don't want to sell? His value goes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    Totally pointless , the displayed number should be selling/buying price and "not for transfer" if the club don't wanna sell him .
    No - The selling/buying price falls under asking price. And it works both ways. Just cos one of your players is worth £5m doesn't mean thats what you'd sell him for. There is a difference between what something is worth and what it actually costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar2010 View Post
    In a way I agree with you and if we didn't have values attached to the players it would stop all these type of threads on the boards.

    With scouting reports also now showing a more realistic "buying" price perhaps its time these "value" figures were done away with completely.
    If the values were removed then there would 100x as many topics complaining about it as there are from people complaining that club's don't want to sell their best players!

    O/T. I remember playing one of the first FIFA manager games, the one where players didn't age and there was a some bug whereby all your supporters were willing to pay £90 for a ticket. After about 10 seasons I bid 2 BILLION for Ronaldo (buck-toothed one) and it was rejected

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    Quote Originally Posted by x42bn6 View Post
    I see transfer value as "What price would I put on this player's skills as an individual, ignoring his impact on the team and removing all emotive feelings on this player - i.e. he is favoured?"

    Or "If I could melt down Villa's ability into, say, gold - how much would I sell this piece of gold for?"

    It is used as a base but circumstances in the team will make the value different. Don't want a player? His value goes down. Don't want to sell? His value goes up.
    This is probably the best way to look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulC View Post
    And if you are really patient then chances are you can get your man at a lower price somewhere along the line......
    Just a test game with Man U:
    Got De Rossi for 35M€, but at first Roma wanted to have 55M€ (while my first offer was 25M€ + clauses), in the end it took me about a week and several bids (+ some praising of De Rossi) to finally get him for 35M€.

    So be patient and some negotiating does really help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micado View Post
    Just a test game with Man U:
    Got De Rossi for 35M€, but at first Roma wanted to have 55M€ (while my first offer was 25M€ + clauses), in the end it took me about a week and several bids (+ some praising of De Rossi) to finally get him for 35M€.

    So be patient and some negotiating does really help.
    Precisely. I don't see why everyone thinks their first bid should be accepted.

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    In FM09 I bought Benzema for €10 milions or similar, but he asked to leave at the beginning of the game. Circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    That would just totally take the fun out of transfer dealings for me. It's not a bloody supermarket, after all. I actually like that two players of very similar value may move for significantly different fees, makes it a bit more unpredictable. Your suggestion means that we'd merely have to put together a shopping list at the start of every pre-season and buy everything on it. And I do that more than enough IRL, thank you very much.
    I think this just shows the kind of society we live in. Every one wants something for free and straight away without working towards it. Totally takes the fun out of the game when you know who to buy and for how much.
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    I don't think that's awfully unrealistic as in real life, David Villa is feircly loyal to Valencia...How many big clubs have made offers for him over the last 3 seasons or so, yet he still decides to stay with Valencia? It's going to take something Special to get him away from there, thus Valencia will have no quarms at all rejecting huge offers for him. If you want David Villa so badly, play as Valencia

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    Precisely. I don't see why everyone thinks their first bid should be accepted.
    Just like in real life (most of the times)
    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    That would just totally take the fun out of transfer dealings for me. It's not a bloody supermarket, after all. I actually like that two players of very similar value may move for significantly different fees, makes it a bit more unpredictable. Your suggestion means that we'd merely have to put together a shopping list at the start of every pre-season and buy everything on it. And I do that more than enough IRL, thank you very much.
    Exactly, if the value would be the sale price, the fun is gone, the value of the players just a fictional representation of how good he is (at least that is what I think) for a particular club (Higher rep club, higher rep player = higher value..) by no means it is a indication of this transfer price, that could be higher/lower.

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    If you are asked to pay a ridiculous fee, this is the AI saying basically "he's not for sale - unless of course your willing to give us enough money to by us a country"

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    The real issue is (or was as I don't know whether it's been fixed for FM10) that the AI often sells players to other AI clubs for lower prices than what they ask for from the human player. It happened several times to me that a club (not a rival, a club from a different league) accepted the same bid from 10 AI clubs but asked for more than double of that amount when I launched a bid. That's just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    The real issue is (or was as I don't know whether it's been fixed for FM10) that the AI often sells players to other AI clubs for lower prices than what they ask for from the human player. It happened several times to me that a club (not a rival, a club from a different league) accepted the same bid from 10 AI clubs but asked for more than double of that amount when I launched a bid. That's just wrong.
    That certainly is wrong but something I've never experienced. How very odd.

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    This is exactly what happens irl

    You are going in with a cold bid and just saying right here I am cash rich and I want that player no matter what, When in real life that hardly ever happens. Take the Ronaldo transfer for example Madrid did not just turn up one day and say here is £80 million, They had to wait over 3 years to get there man dropping hints and unsettling him along the way. They did pay a lot but that’s a lot less than if they had just made the bid and Ronaldo had not pushed it through.

    People want FM to be like real life but then want the easy, quick way to make the best team it will not and cannot work like that you need to wait for the full game and have patience when trying to sign people that's what the player comments are in the game for!

    It is possible to upset players and make them want to join in the first season but that is unlikely to happen with players such as Messi, Villa and the likes as they are happy where they are and will not just drop everything and move because a new manager has made a bid.
    The club and player both need to be unsettled and this takes time!!
    completely agree, couldn't have put it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    That certainly is wrong but something I've never experienced. How very odd.

    USUALLY they accept the same bid but not always. On my FM09 save I fought with Hertha for a good left-back and in the end I had to pay the double of what Hertha had offered (which was accepted) to get him as they kept rejecting lower bids...

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    Football is after all, a business first and foremost and the AI reflects this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    USUALLY they accept the same bid but not always. On my FM09 save I fought with Hertha for a good left-back and in the end I had to pay the double of what Hertha had offered (which was accepted) to get him as they kept rejecting lower bids...
    Were Hertha paying straight cash or was there any clauses invloved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    The real issue is (or was as I don't know whether it's been fixed for FM10) that the AI often sells players to other AI clubs for lower prices than what they ask for from the human player. It happened several times to me that a club (not a rival, a club from a different league) accepted the same bid from 10 AI clubs but asked for more than double of that amount when I launched a bid. That's just wrong.

    Personally I've always had offers accepted at around the same price as the AI.

    However I also want out that the AI has possibly offered clauses that add value to the transfer but you don't/haven't seen these as the user which could account for the difference.

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    This would make sense as the AI constantly offers me deals with clauses and money in installments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    Were Hertha paying straight cash or was there any clauses invloved?
    Their offer was worth up to £13M if I recall correctly and I had to pay £20M plus £5M in 12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    Their offer was worth up to £13M if I recall correctly and I had to pay £20M plus £5M in 12 months.
    The only reason I can think of is maybe you were Man City - in which case you deserved it
    I know the AI has a history of asking for more money from richer clubs. Apparently building a good relationship with the selling clubs manager helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner86 View Post
    No - The selling/buying price falls under asking price. And it works both ways. Just cos one of your players is worth £5m doesn't mean thats what you'd sell him for. There is a difference between what something is worth and what it actually costs.
    So what is the purpose for having a displayed price at all ?
    When i am transfer listing a player with displayed price 5m i wanna take 5m , no enquiries or anything, i want 5m ; when i bid a player for his displayed price i wanna proceed to contract offering screen .

    Also "not for sale" = no bids, no enquiries , no anything .

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    A not for sale option just means you'll never get a big name. FACT it happened all the time on the old CM's when you had the option to set as unavailable. If you look at a players contract info it will show you whether they are indispensible, important 1st team player etc, the more important the more you'll need to play. Like it says, the value is what his core abilities and experience are worth, not how much the he's worth to the team. Hence why it's the computer that determines the value not the manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    So what is the purpose for having a displayed price at all ?
    When i am transfer listing a player with displayed price 5m i wanna take 5m , no enquiries or anything, i want 5m ; when i bid a player for his displayed price i wanna proceed to contract offering screen .

    Also "not for sale" = no bids, no enquiries , no anything .
    It's not a price, it's a value. The AI manager may value the player lower or higher than that "core" value.

    Such a "not for sale" option would be totally unrealistic - IRL every club can launch a bid for any player, even if his club says he's not for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midlothian View Post
    It's not a price, it's a value.
    100% Spot on.
    If you only payed the value, you'd never get a bargain either.

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    Considering that Valencia immediately and publicly rejected an offer of €50 million+Negredo+Casquero on the very day it was received, without a second thought, I'd say that's quite realistic.

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    Did you offer £70m straight? If so it suggests to Valencia they can get more money out of you.

    Its best to always negotiate a price.

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    negiotiating in 2009 went something ike this:

    offer: £16m
    club: we want £20m
    negotiate: 18.5m
    club: now we want 22m
    negotiate: ok, i'll pay the original £20m
    club: now we want £24m

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy_Maguire View Post
    God why would you start your fm game trying to buy players like David Villa and managing Man Utd, then coming on here and complaining when you can't just have all the best players. Classic signs of a certain type of Utd fan, can't understand not being and supporting the best in things.
    No need for attitude like that is there. Villa was just one player. It was just an EXAMPLE. And no it does not show signs 'of a certain type of United fan'. its called ambition, to want the best. Probably not heard of that. There's nothing wrong with that. What would you call Real or Chelsea in that case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabregas18 View Post
    The transfermarket is better this year, because I could sign Silva for £27 million for example .
    Have to agree partly on that, i got him for the same amount but all im saying is some prices are understandable and realistic but some are too high. E.g. £50-55m for player like Villa is ok, £80m is way too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBIGS View Post
    I think the game needs a grey area AI deciding mechanism instead of a pure black and white. The AI needs to understand the sum being paid, in terms of what caliber of a player they can bring in as a replacement. If they are offered 50 million for Villa and they can say get someone in the range of Eto (although unlikely cause he just moved to Inter), Aguero, Forlan, Defoe, or whoever else for say 20-30million range, then they made a profit, no?
    Sorry, but Defoe, Forlan and Aguero are simply not in the same league as Villa. I'd rather have Villa than Eto'o too. Torres and perhaps Ibrahimovic (if it wasn't for the attitude problem) are the only other strikers I'd consider on par with Villa, and as such, I wouldn't sell him at all if I were Valencia. If I couldn't get a replacement as good for the same or less money (and I didn't need the money to stay afloat), I wouldn't sell, so I don't see why the AI would either.

    Agree with your general point that the AI should look to see who else is available when considering an offer though.

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