+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 1 to 100 of 375

Thread: Ajax System for FM2011 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s (Discussion)

  1. #1
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Ajax System for FM2011 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s (Discussion)

    Started FM10 with Ajax; easy to implement the Ajax System with current player pool. Questions and input etc as always welcome, I hope I will have a base system ready sometime in the future.

    If you have any questions which are not covered in this thread, please have a look at the previous thread before posting.

    Last edited by Marz; 31-10-2009 at 15:34.

  2. #2
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    i am assuming you continue to use opposition instructions to close down always on the back four> if this is the case does this not throw your current individual closing down instructions off? Have tyou tried without the oi closing down instructions?
    Still getting used to the new interface and club; day 1. Once I have had a meeting with the backroom staff, set up scouting, meet the players and set up training and played a few matches I will have an answer.

  3. #3
    Amateur
    Join Date
    18th December 2008
    Location
    ol' Amsterdam
    Posts
    232

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Going to be following this thread very closely in the coming months.

    Marz, i take it you will only be using Barca on the demo and will revert back to Ajax come the full version?

  4. #4
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Menz View Post
    Going to be following this thread very closely in the coming months.

    Marz, i take it you will only be using Barca on the demo and will revert back to Ajax come the full version?
    Ja, back to the ArenA and de Toekomst as soon as possible.

  5. #5
    Amateur
    Join Date
    9th February 2007
    Location
    Bettembourg
    Posts
    129

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Maybe Ajax's new training complex should be called "het Verleden" .

    I look forward to the development of this thread, the tactics creator should make it much more Ajax system-friendly.

  6. #6
    Amateur
    Join Date
    30th October 2004
    Location
    Upperchurch - south
    Posts
    47

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulqadir View Post
    Maybe Ajax's new training complex should be called "het Verleden" .
    I thought that was the new name of the DSB stadium

  7. #7
    Amateur
    Join Date
    6th October 2007
    Posts
    124

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    I have fond memories of the Ajax system from CM2, it was pretty wild-looking but had great results. Very much looking forward to seeing how this goes, or I might work on it myself as part of my "classic tactics" project. La Grande Inter is the first one!

  8. #8
    Amateur
    Join Date
    9th February 2007
    Location
    Bettembourg
    Posts
    129

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    That will be the Bankroet Stadion

    Marz, what player roles do you use? 3 ball playing defenders?

  9. #9
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulqadir View Post
    Maybe Ajax's new training complex should be called "het Verleden" .

    I look forward to the development of this thread, the tactics creator should make it much more Ajax system-friendly.
    No comment


    Quote Originally Posted by sebzilla View Post
    I have fond memories of the Ajax system from CM2, it was pretty wild-looking but had great results. Very much looking forward to seeing how this goes, or I might work on it myself as part of my "classic tactics" project. La Grande Inter is the first one!
    CM2 tactic was called AJAX and looked like this:-

    Code:
            x      S     x       
            |             |        
            |             |         
    AML   |      x     |     AMR
            |      |      |
            |      |      |
           MC   MC   MC
    
    
    x            DMC             x
    |              |                |
    |              x                |
    DL            DC            DR
    The results were so good that most Dutch teams in that game adopted that system. That is one of the reasons why SI took it out of the game.


    Quote Originally Posted by abdulqadir View Post
    That will be the Bankroet Stadion

    Marz, what player roles do you use? 3 ball playing defenders?
    I have had a look and played around with the tactic wizard. The closest example/types I think are similar like you said are the ball playing defenders. Which could be adjusted according to your players and opponents, in terms of defend, cover and stopper. Normally the #2 & 5 would be on similar duties, while the #3 would normally be on a cover duty.
    The closest thing I have seen for the #4 is the Deep Lying Playmaker with support duty with RWB (run with ball) on mixed. For the three players in midfield (#8, 6 & 10) I don’t like and of the presets to be honest. Again closest presets being Box to Box for the #8 & 6 with support duties. And the #10 on Central Midfielder with an attack duty.
    Wingers on a mix of attack and support duties, with the #9 playing as advanced forward; attack duty. With the goalkeeper on Sweeper Keeper.
    The wizard is only a starting point from which to go, for people who are not comfortable with the sliders. So some presets will not fit to all systems/formations and players.
    I have been finished off a few things in FM07 and can now fully concentrate on FM10. I am hoping to have a tested upload ready Thursday/Friday night.

  10. #10
    Amateur
    Join Date
    3rd July 2007
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    100

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Doing this too with Arsenal until the new game comes out...Will let you know how it goes.

  11. #11
    Amateur
    Join Date
    1st August 2008
    Posts
    0

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Good to have you working on this from the very beginning.

  12. #12
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    over previous seasons what is your usual goal difference ( goals for v goals against) at the end of the season?

  13. #13
    Amateur
    Join Date
    28th December 2005
    Posts
    65

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    after reading the posts i decided to give it a go, i've been playing since cm days so thought this should be an interesting experiment. instead of playing with a forward i thought instead to try playing with an amc trequartista as a playmaker. the idea behind this was to try and control possession even more and i had hoped he would be able to play those lovely little slide rule pass through balls like barca do in real life. the tactic is so far controlling possession well, while being suprisingly steady at the back. individual instuctions are as follows
    gk- keeper sweeper with def collect- idea being he could mop up any long balls over the top
    dr/l- full backs on reg support role
    dc- regular central defender set on cover- thought he could drop off a bit and offer more cover
    dmc- anchor man- mentality set to 1 to properly shield the back line while also winning the ball and starting moves
    mcr/l- twin attacking mentalities of advanced playmakers- was hoping they would push on and offer support and runs through the middle
    mcc- ball winning mid- mentality on defend set to 1- more support whille offering a ball winner further up the pitch
    aml/r- inside forwards- one is set to target man with run on to ball instructions- was hoping they would cut in with the ball and get on to through balls
    amc- trequartista- set as playmaker
    all players have long shots set to rarely, still get a few but no where near as many as before.
    here is the link to the tactic i created, give it a look and see what you think. i'm trying to figure out how to get them to play the inside forwards in more often, that said i have found their one on one skills to be severely lacking. let me know if you have any ideas.
    http://www.mediafire.com/file/qz4tkzzdmmm/fm10tac.tac

  14. #14
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by PaleThinBoy View Post
    Doing this too with Arsenal until the new game comes out...Will let you know how it goes.



    Quote Originally Posted by boeloe View Post
    Good to have you working on this from the very beginning.
    Not quite the beginning, Barcelona in the demo was to boring. I have not even played a match yet; although I watched a few. I expect my copy of FM10 to be delayed (post strike), and then db editing. But I will keep an eye on this thread as always.


    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    over previous seasons what is your usual goal difference ( goals for v goals against) at the end of the season?
    2.7 (goals scored) to 0.7 (goals conceded)


    Quote Originally Posted by mufcmadman View Post
    aml/r- inside forwards- one is set to target man with run on to ball instructions- was hoping they would cut in with the ball and get on to through balls
    amc- trequartista- set as playmaker
    all players have long shots set to rarely, still get a few but no where near as many as before.
    here is the link to the tactic i created, give it a look and see what you think. i'm trying to figure out how to get them to play the inside forwards in more often, that said i have found their one on one skills to be severely lacking. let me know if you have any ideas.
    http://www.mediafire.com/file/qz4tkzzdmmm/fm10tac.tac
    I will have a look tomorrow, but from what you have written (unless I misunderstand) it sounds as if the formation you are playing has little to do with the Ajax System.
    The aml/r should be wing forwards and not inside forwards. And instead of a Striker leading the line you are playing with a trequartista.
    Last edited by Marz; 28-10-2009 at 22:47.

  15. #15
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    I downloaded and had a look at your tactic. I think playing the #9 from the AMC position is a creative and imaginative idea. But like I have already stated, it has little to do with the Ajax system. The reason is, that the #10 moves into space created by the #9. You are more than welcome to contribute to this thread if you stay on topic; within the framework of the Ajax System:-

    #9 – (played from) S (position)

    #11&7 – SL,R or AML,R

    #10 – MC or AMC (#4 then needs to play from MC)

    #8&6 - MC (MLC & MRC)

    #4 – DMC or MC (DC when playing the #3 from SW)

    #5&2 – DC (DLC & DRC) or DL,R (when playing vs 1 striker)

    #3 – DC or SW
    Last edited by Marz; 31-10-2009 at 15:00.

  16. #16
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Here is the training/squad framework I use:-

    Ajax System training

  17. #17
    Amateur
    Join Date
    28th December 2005
    Posts
    65

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    i'll check out your framework, been using milan made changes when i got the full game and the way i have it set up right no is almost identical to how you described. moved the treq up front and have him playing as a complete forward, moved the central of the three mid into the amc role with the same instructions same as the ml/r i had before, the remaining central midfielders are set to ball winners, one with low mentality one on team. amr/l are set to wingers. been having a lot of joy going forward almost three a game but am leaking goals 1.3 or so. working on ironing out the wrinkles will keep you updated.

  18. #18
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by mufcmadman View Post
    moved the central of the three mid into the amc role with the same instructions same as the ml/r i had before, the remaining central midfielders are set to ball winners, one with low mentality one on team. amr/l are set to wingers. been having a lot of joy going forward almost three a game but am leaking goals 1.3 or so. working on ironing out the wrinkles will keep you updated.
    My guess is that your defensive problems come from the wings and through balls. I have not played a match yet in the new ME (match engine), but as theory goes the way you have your #5 & 2 positioned isolates the #3. I tend to only play the #5 & 2 (half-backs) from the full-back position when the opposition plays with 1 striker. If the opponents play with only 1 striker but also 2 very attacking wingers or central attacking midfielders they should also play from the half-back positions. So in most cases the defence should line-up with 3 DCs.
    While this makes the defence stronger (especially against through balls), the team will have less width in build-up/establishment of play. To add to that, from a defensive point of view the opponents wide players will have more space. To solve both those problems, the #8 & 6 also need to play semi-central/wide roles (MLC & MRC). The only way (currently) to achieve this is to, position a player in-between those two players; either the #4 or 10. It can be done without the central midfielder, through mentality and a few other settings (but this requires good players and a lot of tweaking and does not always guarantee results as these players are still playing from a MC role).

    Quote Originally Posted by mufcmadman View Post
    i'll check out your framework
    It is just the way I structure my training schedule and playing staff from the first team to the Under 19s. Less work in creating and naming schedules for whoever downloads the schedules, people will still have to manage training. All the schedules use the Ajax numbering system, so it should be easy to understand which players go where and who should be re-trained to a given positions; but people should not be rigid about it.

  19. #19
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    just wondering on how many of your staff are non - dutch?

  20. #20
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Jeff Vetere (who I brought in), and then 2 who were already at the club. Going to give staff sometime and see if any improve.

    Having some problems with the game crashing.
    Last edited by Marz; 04-11-2009 at 10:35.

  21. #21
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    are you playing 2010 or the demo?


    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Jeff Vetere (who I brought in), and then 2 who were already at the club. Going to give staff sometime and see if any improve.

    Having some problems with the game crashing.

  22. #22
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    are you playing 2010 or the demo?
    I have started my FM2010 career game, or trying to start playing at least. Got the game through the post on release day, I am not going to edit the db; just patched it.

    People starting their game with Ajax should try Atouba from the #11 position (left winger).

  23. #23
    Amateur
    Join Date
    3rd November 2006
    Location
    France & Holland
    Posts
    209

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    hi Marz,

    Any advice on what temporary tactic to use ..until the Ajax system is released for F10?

    cheers

  24. #24
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Why not try to develop the Ajax System yourself?
    Basic concept being:-
    GK
    DC DC DC (in my opinion the #5 & 2 should not start from DL & DR as a default, there are however circumstances when they should; as described in [thread=4132359&postcount=18]post 18[/thread] ).
    DMC
    MC MC MC
    AMR & AML or SR & SL (I am leaning towards playing with wide AM at the moment, with attacking strategy/team mentality).
    S

  25. #25
    Amateur
    Join Date
    3rd November 2006
    Location
    France & Holland
    Posts
    209

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Why not try to develop the Ajax System yourself?
    Basic concept being:-
    GK
    DC DC DC (in my opinion the #5 & 2 should not start from DL & DR as a default, there are however circumstances when they should; as described in [thread=4132359&postcount=18]post 18[/thread] ).
    DMC
    MC MC MC
    AMR & AML or SR & SL (I am leaning towards playing with wide AM at the moment, with attacking strategy/team mentality).
    S
    okay great thanks ...any chance you can assist with each positions role?
    For instance:

    3 DC in the backline ...central defender - ball playing defender - limited defender what role should each play
    DMC - defensive midfielder - deep lying playmaker - anchor man

    really need help in the midfield ..with the 3 MC

    cheers & thanks

  26. #26
    Amateur
    Join Date
    19th October 2009
    Posts
    6

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    The side I am trying to create at FC Koln has a pretty similar system.

    I Finished my first season with FC Koln in a respectable enough 10th place, i've spent my summer reaping the rewards of going through the whole season 50k a week under my wage budget and cashing in on some older stars. Spent 15 million on new talent to bolster an already decent young squad and managed to get Riquelme on a free for a 2 year contract. I seriously think I could have a run at the title this year, the likes of Badelj, Podolski, Riquelme, Ochoa and Youssef are as good as anything in the division.

    I've had enough of full backs doing absolutely nothing to stop wide players getting a cross in and not doing enough whilst overlapping to justify their place in the side. As a result I am going 3 at the back and attempting to create a formation which doesn't place to much emphasis on your full backs to do a lot of your attacking play, having looked at what other people have tried I have decided to go with a 3-1-2-3-1 formation.

    The main reason for my choice is that I am trying to get Riquelme to find space in the middle of the park, not as a deep lying play maker but not a number 10, just as he did for Argentina under Peckerman. Have done it by placing him in the middle with a balanced attack/defense slider, given him max creative freedom, no closing down. I'm finding that with an attacking midfield player in the team, that bombs on (full attacking mentality and runs from deep often) rather than creates ala Gerrard or Tim Cahill, in my case Lucas Podolski, and an an anchor man, Dickson Etuhu, you can stretch the midfield vertically enough to give him room. Plays some unbelievable passes in there and has a ridiculous long shot. I'm completing the midfield by putting in a willing runner to win the ball back and do Riquleme's running for him, Steven Appiah and Maniche share this job.

    .........................Ochoa......
    ....... ...Sharner..Geremol..Youssef..
    ..........................Etuhu....
    ..................Maniche..Riquelme...
    ...Valdiva.............Podolski......Badelj..
    ..........................Ishiaku

    Looking good through Pre-Season, but as always I'll never know until the league starts. I'm hoping it works because I often find that the number 10 position is too congested with teams almost always having holding players, it is after all a position that developed because teams would leave gaps between midfield and defense, and that deep lying midfield play-makers are forever trying long hopeful passes and costing you possession.

    I shall keep people posted how I get on.

  27. #27
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    29th November 2008
    Posts
    1,426

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Here is the training/squad framework I use:-

    Ajax System training
    I don't know if it's just me but I downloaded this and most of them are blank. But I've enjoyed reading your adventures as Ajax. I have a question though about generally playing as them, is it possible to have superstars or do you have to play as they are in real life, constantly replacing the bigger names with quality youth?

    Bestie.

  28. #28

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    what do people feel about how to setup the lone striker? Basically should he have an attack role or a support role? My gues is for an attacking formation an attack role is suitable (as long as you have AM or Trequesta behind him so they can support) and for more defensive formations he should have a support role so he will hold the ball up. What do people think?

  29. #29
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    29th November 2008
    Posts
    1,426

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Whenever I use a formation like this or my own attempts at the Brazil '70 setup I always use the striker as an attacking role but with no forward runs. Basically he looks to attack and score goals but ends up behind the lines of the wingers so that they are "outside strikers" and he is almost a Trequesta in the AMC slot only starting in the ST position.

    Bestie.

  30. #30
    Amateur
    Join Date
    23rd September 2006
    Posts
    641

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards “AFC Ajax“ 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    I don't know if it's just me but I downloaded this and most of them are blank. But I've enjoyed reading your adventures as Ajax. I have a question though about generally playing as them, is it possible to have superstars or do you have to play as they are in real life, constantly replacing the bigger names with quality youth?

    Bestie.
    It's just framework and you create schedules according to the needs of each player. Also it's easier to organize player roles in the club. That is just my opinion

  31. #31
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    29th November 2008
    Posts
    1,426

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    *laughs* That would definitely explain it! Thanks.

    Bestie.

  32. #32
    Amateur
    Join Date
    18th October 2008
    Location
    Dublin, Ireland
    Posts
    212

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Great to see this thread up and running, Marz.

    To veer very slightly off-topic, I don't know if this has been attempted or suggested before, but would you have any interest in a project to reproduce, say, the Champions League of 1995, using the new competition editor? Your knowledge of the Ajax team of the time is peerless, and I'm sure we could cobble together enough experts from amongst our number to flesh out the other sides. Would be a great means of testing out the Ajax system in its natural environment, so to speak.

  33. #33
    Amateur
    Join Date
    9th September 2007
    Posts
    218

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Hey guys, as we're still "messing around" with tactical options to recreate the Ajax system. I'm playing with AZ currently after trying Ajax for a few saves before this one (with limited success).

    While playing with AZ I attempted to create a tactic out of my own perspective, as recreating the Ajax system with Ajax did not bring much success. To my surprise the tactic I set up with AZ turned out to look quite like how I remember Ajax playing in the mid 90s. It's as follows:

    xxxxxxxxxx(ST)xxxxxxxxx

    xxxxxx(AM)xxx(AM)xxxxx

    x(ML)xxxx(MC)xxxx(MR)x

    xxxxxxxxx(DCM)xxxxxxxxx

    xxxx(DC)xx(DC)xx(DC)xxx

    xxxxxxxxxx(GK)xxxxxxxxxx

    Though even somewhat more offensively oriented than the Ajax system due to having two "10" roles, it seems easy enough to drop one AMC back to the MC role. Surprisingly, dispite their personal settings, the ML and MR operate very defensively, yet still getting forward a lot, something I recall was something Van Gaal also liked in its wingers. Though the tactic seems to be more attacking than the Ajax system, scoring goals was the main problem.

    I've kind of given up on developing this tactic (as with any other tactic for that matter) as I can't seem to get a team to perform well in FM10 yet. 10th with Ajax, 17th with AZ (lol). It could be a matter of tweaking the tactic, but I'm not much of a tweaker...

  34. #34
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    29th November 2008
    Posts
    1,426

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    There is one question I have with those who have properly research the Ajax system. In Inverting the Pyramid, Jonathan Wilson has a diagram showing Holland's Total Football (which I am guessing is designed the same way, yes?) but the diagram shows the formation more like a 4-3-3 with side-backs, a centre-back, a true libero, a D-M, 2 C-Ms and three attackers (LW, ST, RW). Is this totally off the mark?

    Bestie.

  35. #35
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    I will upload my tactic sometime tonight, and then reply to the posts. People who want to use it need to make sure (by retraining), that their players are at least accomplished in:-

    #9 S

    #11&7 S

    #10 MC

    #8&6 - MC

    #4 DMC

    #5&2 DC

    #3 DC

  36. #36
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Ajax System FM10 version 1.1

    Really basic tweaking that has to be done, apart from opponents instructions are:-

    Current team mentality is set to the highest normal, with the striker (#9) given an individual mentality which is the first attacking mentality.

    The Ajax system is an attacking system, so I would not recommend setting the team mentality lower than 10 (unless the opponents are pushing a lot of players forward in the last minutes to score etc). The #9 mentality is set to the first attacking notch, as he should not be tracking back. If you do set the team mentality lower than the current preset (which I think is 14 think) then you might have to get the #9 to hold up the ball.

    If the team needs to be more attacking (mentality sliders set into the attacking notches), then disable the strikers’ (#9) individual mentality. And also set RFD (runs from deep) too rarely, set to sometimes when the team mentality is in normal, to exploit the space behind the opponent.

    The (#11&7) wingers’ RFD (runs from deep) should be set on rarely at all times, as their task is to keep the field wide/provide wide options at all times. Since they play as wide Strikers they should look for through balls anyway; a bit like a central striker not needing RFD on often (unless it is Inzaghi).

    The #10 RFD should be set to often at all times, and if possible play a player who has “Gets forward whenever possible” as a preferred move.
    The three settings below need to be tweak (from sometimes to often) according to the players available (and opposition) for positions #8,10,6:-

    Try through balls (TTB) – a must for the player in the #10 position
    Try long shoots (TLS)
    Run with ball (RWB) – I try to have players in these positions, #8 & 6 who are capable often RWB

    RFD for positions #8 & 6 should be set to sometimes, as they play controlling roles within the system.

    #4 passing could be decreased if the player available for this position does not have high creativity (vision); same goes for the #3.
    Last edited by Marz; 07-11-2009 at 23:45.

  37. #37
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    What opposition instructions are you using?

  38. #38
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by trickytrev View Post
    The side I am trying to create at FC Koln has a pretty similar system.

    I shall keep people posted how I get on.
    Please do keep us up to date, and maybe upload your tactic. I would be interested in seeing how far we differ, as the general idea/shape is similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    I have a question though about generally playing as them, is it possible to have superstars or do you have to play as they are in real life, constantly replacing the bigger names with quality youth?

    Bestie.
    If you meant is it possible to keep superstars at Ajax in FM10 then I must say, I do not know yet. I did manage it in FM07 (in FM10 it will no doubt be harder). It is a case of staying in the Champions league, as that will have some impact on top players stay. And from staying or even winning that competition, the club reputation will grow. As will the various budgets, which are needed to keep superstars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fieldsy View Post
    what do people feel about how to setup the lone striker? Basically should he have an attack role or a support role? My gues is for an attacking formation an attack role is suitable (as long as you have AM or Trequesta behind him so they can support) and for more defensive formations he should have a support role so he will hold the ball up. What do people think?
    Not sure what the changes (sliders), are when the role/duty of the target man is chnaged. But I think he should always have an attack role. The Wingers and #10 are the ones who need their roles changed according to what you need, they can offer, opponents etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by grimness View Post
    It's just framework and you create schedules according to the needs of each player. Also it's easier to organize player roles in the club. That is just my opinion
    Correct


    Quote Originally Posted by LewisQ View Post
    Great to see this thread up and running, Marz.

    To veer very slightly off-topic, I don't know if this has been attempted or suggested before, but would you have any interest in a project to reproduce, say, the Champions League of 1995, using the new competition editor? Your knowledge of the Ajax team of the time is peerless, and I'm sure we could cobble together enough experts from amongst our number to flesh out the other sides. Would be a great means of testing out the Ajax system in its natural environment, so to speak.
    Interesting idea, I can help with regard to Ajax and Milan info in that period. But when the game does not crash, I enjoy it and do not think I will spend any time playing modifications of FM10.
    Try posting in the editors forum and see if you can get any support to help you with editing etc. As it will be a huge job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Takamaru View Post
    While playing with AZ I attempted to create a tactic out of my own perspective, as recreating the Ajax system with Ajax did not bring much success. To my surprise the tactic I set up with AZ turned out to look quite like how I remember Ajax playing in the mid 90s. It's as follows:

    xxxxxxxxxx(ST)xxxxxxxxx

    xxxxxx(AM)xxx(AM)xxxxx

    x(ML)xxxx(MC)xxxx(MR)x

    xxxxxxxxx(DCM)xxxxxxxxx

    xxxx(DC)xx(DC)xx(DC)xxx

    xxxxxxxxxx(GK)xxxxxxxxxx

    I've kind of given up on developing this tactic (as with any other tactic for that matter) as I can't seem to get a team to perform well in FM10 yet. 10th with Ajax, 17th with AZ (lol). It could be a matter of tweaking the tactic, but I'm not much of a tweaker...
    Please stay on topic, the Ajax system of the 1990s had 2 wingers and not 2 central attacking midfielders.
    The problems you had in the Dutch league, could not just be a result of tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    There is one question I have with those who have properly research the Ajax system. In Inverting the Pyramid, Jonathan Wilson has a diagram showing Holland's Total Football (which I am guessing is designed the same way, yes?) but the diagram shows the formation more like a 4-3-3 with side-backs, a centre-back, a true libero, a D-M, 2 C-Ms and three attackers (LW, ST, RW). Is this totally off the mark?

    Bestie.
    Hollands famous Total football was played out of a 433/424. Cruyff changed the 433 employed by Ajax when he took over as manager and played 343.

  39. #39
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:

    What opposition instructions are you using?
    I will try and write up a few things I do in certain circumstances, by next week.

  40. #40
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    29th November 2008
    Posts
    1,426

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz,

    Thank you, both your answers were what I needed.

    Bestie.

  41. #41
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by 7Bestie7 View Post
    Marz,

    Thank you, both your answers were what I needed.

    Bestie.
    Glad I could help.


    There are a few things that need tweaking in the 1.1 download. Mainly the RFD (Run from deep):-

    #2 & 5 sometimes (from rarely)

    #9 sometimes (he keeps dropping too deep, and into the space of the #10 with it set as rarely)
    Last edited by Marz; 24-11-2009 at 15:02.

  42. #42
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:
    I have Carrizo in goal but he has lost the ball several times outside the area allowing the oppositions striker to score an easy goal.

    What attribute should I be looking for in a keeper to fix this?

  43. #43
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:
    I have Carrizo in goal but he has lost the ball several times outside the area allowing the oppositions striker to score an easy goal.

    What attribute should I be looking for in a keeper to fix this?
    Which Carrizo, I get 15 results when I do a search.

  44. #44
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Juan Pablo Carrizo



    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Which Carrizo, I get 15 results when I do a search.

  45. #45
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Juan Pablo Carrizo
    Best if you upload a match file to rapidshare.

  46. #46
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    cant upload. i was hoping maybe figure out something from his attributes. I was thinking off the ball or deciscions but not sure



    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Best if you upload a match file to rapidshare.

  47. #47
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    what size pitch are you using?

  48. #48
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    cant upload. i was hoping maybe figure out something from his attributes. I was thinking off the ball or deciscions but not sure
    Unless I or others see the match, we would just be blindly guessing what the problem could be. Just out of curiosity, why can you not upload it?

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    what size pitch are you using?
    Default starting size, 102m in lenght and 65m wide. I did not get an option to change the size.

  49. #49
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Seems the wingers #11 & 7 (played from SL & SR), need to have both wide AM and striker as their positions (or maybe just one out of the two). In the tactics screen it shows them as S, and the colour indicator uses the Striker position ability. But in team-talks and players profile (games played in position) it displays the wingers as playing in the wide AM positions.

  50. #50
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    not sure how to upload

    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Unless I or others see the match, we would just be blindly guessing what the problem could be. Just out of curiosity, why can you not upload it?



    Default starting size, 102m in lenght and 65m wide. I did not get an option to change the size.

  51. #51
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    not sure how to upload
    I will write up a step by step guide by tuesday (24.11 of this year ); sorry a bit busy at the moment.
    Last edited by Marz; 21-11-2009 at 19:44.

  52. #52
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Just a quick update, the next download will have the Wingers playing from AML & AMR. If your Wingers are already natural for those positions you could retrain them for the striker position (so they become atleast accomplished).

  53. #53
    Part-Timer
    Join Date
    9th September 2004
    Location
    Dordrecht, The Netherlands. FM08 Salernitana game season 80
    Posts
    1,868

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Ajax System FM10 version 1.1

    Really basic tweaking that has to be done, apart from opponents instructions are:-

    Current team mentality is set to the highest normal, with the striker (#9) given an individual mentality which is the first attacking mentality.

    The Ajax system is an attacking system, so I would not recommend setting the team mentality lower than 10 (unless the opponents are pushing a lot of players forward in the last minutes to score etc). The #9 mentality is set to the first attacking notch, as he should not be tracking back. If you do set the team mentality lower than the current preset (which I think is 14 think) then you might have to get the #9 to hold up the ball.

    If the team needs to be more attacking (mentality sliders set into the attacking notches), then disable the strikers (#9) individual mentality. And also set RFD (runs from deep) too rarely, set to sometimes when the team mentality is in normal, to exploit the space behind the opponent.

    The (#11&7) wingers RFD (runs from deep) should be set on rarely at all times, as their task is to keep the field wide/provide wide options at all times. Since they play as wide Strikers they should look for through balls anyway; a bit like a central striker not needing RFD on often (unless it is Inzaghi).

    The #10 RFD should be set to often at all times, and if possible play a player who has Gets forward whenever possible as a preferred move.
    The three settings below need to be tweak (from sometimes to often) according to the players available (and opposition) for positions #8,10,6:-

    Try through balls (TTB) a must for the player in the #10 position
    Try long shoots (TLS)
    Run with ball (RWB) I try to have players in these positions, #8 & 6 who are capable often RWB

    RFD for positions #8 & 6 should be set to sometimes, as they play controlling roles within the system.

    #4 passing could be decreased if the player available for this position does not have high creativity (vision); same goes for the #3.
    he marz can you upload it to another website? thanks

  54. #54
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Wijnand fens View Post
    he marz can you upload it to another website? thanks
    Never mind just checked, going to try to find some alternatives to Rapidshare. I have deleted the current download as a new and improved version is just around the corner.
    Last edited by Marz; 22-11-2009 at 21:53.

  55. #55
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    I will write up a step by step guide by tuesday (24.11 of this year ); sorry a bit busy at the moment.
    -Go to your fixtures

    -Hover your mouse curser of the score of the match you want to upload

    -Then click on the score (this should take you to the match)

    -Underneath the score of the match you should have the tab of information

    -Underneath that you should have Overview, Formation, Report

    -On the same level of Overview but on the left there should be Match Control

    -Click on Match control and then click on save

    -It will come up with a window called “Choose a new file”

    -The game should automatically find the “matches” folder

    -But before you press save follow the steps below (unless you know where your matches folder is located), also remember what the file/match is saved as.
    On the right hand side of the “Choose a new file” window, it should state “Location:” to the right of that is a tab called “matches”
    If you click on that a tree menu will open something like:-

    D:
    Program Files (86x)
    Sports Interactive
    Data Folder 10 temp files
    Matches

    (If something else comes up do not worry, the main thing is to know where your matches folder is located)

    -Write down the above location or save and then go back into “Match control tab” and then “save tab”

    -Start your internet browser and go to www.rapidshare.com

    -On that page look for “Browse”, should be to the right of an empty space.

    -Then click on “Browse”, it should open a window

    -On the left (could be right) of that window look for “My computer” or “Computer” or even better the letter “C:” or “D:”

    If you cannot see any of those look for “Desktop”, click on that and then again look for “My computer” or “Computer”

    -When you have found “My computer” or “Computer” double click on the icon, the window should change to a screen which shows your hard drives e.g. “C:” or in my case “D:”

    -From here you follow (click your way through) the location path/tree menu which FM10 gave you (in my case):-

    D:
    Program Files (86x)
    Sports Interactive
    Data Folder 10 temp files
    Matches

    -When you get to the Matches folder double click on the saved match (or click on match and then click on “Open”).

    -The window then closes; bring you back to your internet browser and in the empty space you should have something like:-

    D:\Program Files (x86)\Sports Interactive\Data Folder 10 temp files\matches\PSV v Ajax.pkm

    -Then click on “Upload”, which should be just below

    -The saved match (file) will then be uploaded; this should only take a few seconds

    -The internet browser will then change to a screen called “Upload|Download Link”

    -Write down the download link e.g. http://rapidshare.com/files/31158613..._Ajax.pkm.html

    Or

    Hover the mouse curser over the “Click here to download file” link.
    Then right click your mouse, it should come up with different options.
    In those options look for “Copy Link” or “Copy Link Location” click on that.
    Then make a post reply in this thread. In the space where you normally type right click and look for “paste”, click on that and it should add the rapidshare link into your post.
    Last edited by Marz; 24-11-2009 at 17:09.

  56. #56
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz

    thanks for the write up: I use a MAC but the walkthrough below will help me upload the game





    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    -Go to your fixtures

    -Hover your mouse curser of the score of the match you want to upload

    -Then click on the score (this should take you to the match)

    -Underneath the score of the match you should have the tab of information

    -Underneath that you should have Overview, Formation, Report

    -On the same level of Overview but on the left there should be Match Control

    -Click on Match control and then click on save

    -It will come up with a window called Choose a new file

    -The game should automatically find the matches folder

    -But before you press save follow the steps below (unless you know where your matches folder is located), also remember what the file/match is saved as.
    On the right hand side of the Choose a new file window, it should state Location: to the right of that is a tab called matches
    If you click on that a tree menu will open something like:-

    D:
    Program Files (86x)
    Sports Interactive
    Data Folder 10 temp files
    Matches

    (If something else comes up do not worry, the main thing is to know where your matches folder is located)

    -Write down the above location or save and then go back into Match control tab and then save tab

    -Start your internet browser and go to www.rapidshare.com

    -On that page look for Browse, should be to the right of an empty space.

    -Then click on Browse, it should open a window

    -On the left (could be right) of that window look for My computer or Computer or even better the letter C: or D:

    If you cannot see any of those look for Desktop, click on that and then again look for My computer or Computer

    -When you have found My computer or Computer double click on the icon, the window should change to a screen which shows your hard drives e.g. C: or in my case D:

    -From here you follow (click your way through) the location path/tree menu which FM10 gave you (in my case):-

    D:
    Program Files (86x)
    Sports Interactive
    Data Folder 10 temp files
    Matches

    -When you get to the Matches folder double click on the saved match (or click on match and then click on Open).

    -The window then closes; bring you back to your internet browser and in the empty space you should have something like:-

    D:\Program Files (x86)\Sports Interactive\Data Folder 10 temp files\matches\PSV v Ajax.pkm

    -Then click on Upload, which should be just below

    -The saved match (file) will then be uploaded; this should only take a few seconds

    -The internet browser will then change to a screen called Upload|Download Link

    -Write down the download link e.g. http://rapidshare.com/files/31158613..._Ajax.pkm.html

    Or

    Hover the mouse curser over the Click here to download file link.
    Then right click your mouse, it should come up with different options.
    In those options look for Copy Link or Copy Link Location click on that.
    Then make a post reply in this thread. In the space where you normally type right click and look for paste, click on that and it should add the rapidshare link into your post.

  57. #57
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    the game I need to show you seems not to be available as it is too far back. I have sinced changed the gk rwb from 20 to 10 and this has helped> if i find another game with this issue i will post it.

  58. #58
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    the game I need to show you seems not to be available as it is too far back. I have sinced changed the gk rwb from 20 to 10 and this has helped> if i find another game with this issue i will post it.
    Strange the RWB (run with ball) should be on rarely for the GK, in the FM10 system I uploaded.
    Next version will hopefully be out by the coming monday.

  59. #59
    Amateur
    Join Date
    20th November 2007
    Posts
    407

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz , which formation do you use , 4-3-3 of Barcelona ?

  60. #60
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by polat_dgn View Post
    Marz , which formation do you use , 4-3-3 of Barcelona ?
    3-4-3, but as I'am having some problems with the wingers the match engine might look at it as a 3-6-1.

  61. #61
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    i am using an older version of one of your tactics and still playing fm2009. rwb was set at 20



    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Strange the RWB (run with ball) should be on rarely for the GK, in the FM10 system I uploaded.
    Next version will hopefully be out by the coming monday.

  62. #62
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    i am using an older version of one of your tactics and still playing fm2009. rwb was set at 20
    I think the setting was so high because I had Stekelenburg as GK. Can you post the version number, I could then see if that was the latest version before I moved on to FM10. If you want I could upload the last version I used in FM07.

  63. #63
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    i am currently using your 3-4-3 v1.7 bet a3

  64. #64
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:

    i am currently using your 3-4-3 v1.7 bet a3
    Sorry you got me confused with the version number 1.7 beta. I wanted to upload the last FM07 system I used for you but that is on version 6.3 . While the FM10 version is on version 1.2 now. I think FM10 tactics do not work with older FM games so I could upload v6.3 if you are interested, unless you already have that.


    As for people who have downloaded my FM10 v1.1 version, change the closing down instructions of the front 3 (#11, 9 & 7) to 17/18. And change the closing down of the midfield 3 (#8, 10 & 6) to team setting (team closing down), which should be around the same setting as your overall team mentality. That should fix a tactical mistake on my part.
    Also remove the wide play option of the wingers and have them on normal (from hug touchline).

  65. #65
    Amateur
    Join Date
    14th November 2006
    Posts
    37

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz have you upload version 1.2 for fm10 yet?

  66. #66
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    No problems now since I have dropped the RWB - thanks

  67. #67
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:

    No problems now since I have dropped the RWB - thanks
    Ajax System 343 for FM07 to FM09 version 6.3

    Going to hopefully have a v1.2 for FM10 out within the next few days.

    It seems rapidshare does not like free users at the moment, I will try to make future uploads available via FM Britain.
    Last edited by Marz; 30-11-2009 at 20:07.

  68. #68
    Amateur
    Join Date
    27th December 2008
    Posts
    177

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Interesting read. The Ajax system, always inspires the gamer. My greatest angst with producers of the more recent series of FMs, is in their failure to appreciate the wide striker. The FR/FL role is very much still in existence today. Ronaldo's record-breaking season at United was arguably as a wide striker. He had freedom to move from flank to flank and diminished defensive responsibility. In the crunch games, a more industrious midfielder was played to add extra cover on his side of the pitch, and the fullback didnt venture forward as much. What about Rijkaard's 3-4-3 that he brought to Stamford Bridge? Again, wide strikers. This shouldn't be a position alienated by the newer tactic engines. Its laziness on their part that they've made no effort with this role.

  69. #69
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Guv'nor View Post
    Interesting read. The Ajax system, always inspires the gamer. My greatest angst with producers of the more recent series of FMs, is in their failure to appreciate the wide striker. The FR/FL role is very much still in existence today. Ronaldo's record-breaking season at United was arguably as a wide striker. He had freedom to move from flank to flank and diminished defensive responsibility. In the crunch games, a more industrious midfielder was played to add extra cover on his side of the pitch, and the fullback didnt venture forward as much. What about Rijkaard's 3-4-3 that he brought to Stamford Bridge? Again, wide strikers. This shouldn't be a position alienated by the newer tactic engines. Its laziness on their part that they've made no effort with this role.
    Laziness or a lack of knowledge, a worry for what the future holds.
    I have noticed that my Wingers (FL & FR) are not positioning themselves correctly towards the opponents fullback now my team are still blending. But this default positioning is hard coded into the game so no amount of blending will solve this.
    To confirm this I went back to FM07 and had a look at the defensive positions and they are identical (team has no blending problem and would die for each other). I would go as far as saying that most positions are still strongly based on the default wibble/wobble positions in the with and without ball screens we had all that way back.

    The wingers position themselves like central strikers, very obvious when the opposition GK has a goal kick. In my opinion they should stand between the Striker line and midfield line. They should basically be falling back to AML and AMR (attacking midfield line). Just as AML & AMR fall back to almost ML/MR positions when the team does not have possession or there is a defensive set-piece.

    Playing the wingers from AML and AMR, the wingers then fall back to the midfield line (ML and MR) as mentioned above. Which is pointless as one of the wingers tasks is to block/press the opposing wide defender early in build-up.


    I think it is really down to the developer to change this positional mistake within the ME.

  70. #70
    Amateur
    Join Date
    27th December 2008
    Posts
    177

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    It is very disappointing. The wide forwards are very much a part of todays game, Arsenal's 4-3-3 for instance, Arshavin in particular. On the international scene Bielsa has made the 3-4-3 his fingerprint, look at his work with Chile. It would be defeatist on our part if we too, followed in the footsteps of the producers and settled for AML/AMR, because they were the easier option. Im currently working with a 3-4-3 ala Bielsa's Chile, using a FL and FR, the fact the AI deems them 'strikers' say it all really, but onwards one must go. Toggling with the player instructions. Mixed success thus far. The closing down and run from deep are proving very influential. Ideally the wide strikers pin the fullbacks in their own half, in order to do so, closing down all over would make sense. However, all too often the AI sends them galavanting forwards when the balls already in my half! Lol! The next option was too man-to-man mark, tightly might i add, their fullbacks. Closing down always, with a defensive mentality. Lots of running from deep and forward runs to compensate for their defensive orientation. A little more rigidity in its application, the fullbacks were checked 5-6 out of 10 times. The attacking edge did suffer slightly. Crossing from byline and direct passing was useful...the latter, useless at times. Direct passing, rather than meaning getting the ball to an advanced teammate asap, often translated as walloping the ball into open space, with not a player as far as the eye could see! Lol!

    Though we're both working on different systems, we are trying to employ a similar strategy, hence the relevance. Dont concede your autonomy! The tactical battle must go on.

  71. #71
    Amateur
    Join Date
    20th August 2008
    Posts
    46

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Really good thread, inspired me to have a try, really not sure how to implement the defensive side of the formation. normally not one to download others tactics but think i'll take a look at yours and use it as a base to have a fiddle!
    GUTGW guys!

  72. #72
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Guv'nor View Post
    Though we're both working on different systems, we are trying to employ a similar strategy, hence the relevance. Dont concede your autonomy! The tactical battle must go on.
    I’ am playing a system that has last been played just over 2 years ago by Ajax 1, so there is not much chance of me losing my autonomy. You are more than welcome to keep posting in this thread, as the Bielsa 3-3-1-3 is a descendant of the Ajax System.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guv'nor View Post
    It is very disappointing. The wide forwards are very much a part of todays game, Arsenal's 4-3-3 for instance, Arshavin in particular. On the international scene Bielsa has made the 3-4-3 his fingerprint, look at his work with Chile.
    Something that should be able to be improved quickly, as it is just a positional mistake. I will make a more detailed post in the ME and 3d view forum and then link it here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guv'nor View Post
    Im currently working with a 3-4-3 ala Bielsa's Chile, using a FL and FR, the fact the AI deems them 'strikers' say it all really, but onwards one must go.
    Not sure how the AI is coded to deal with wide strikers. If you check your players’ positions tab, there should be information on “games played in position”. Although my wingers play as SL & SR (with runs from deep on rarely), the information I am getting is that they are playing games as AML & AMR (which is fine by me as it is pretty much a dual role).

    Quote Originally Posted by Guv'nor View Post
    Toggling with the player instructions. Mixed success thus far. The closing down and run from deep are proving very influential. Ideally the wide strikers pin the fullbacks in their own half, in order to do so, closing down all over would make sense. However, all too often the AI sends them galavanting forwards when the balls already in my half! Lol! The next option was too man-to-man mark, tightly might i add, their fullbacks. Closing down always, with a defensive mentality. Lots of running from deep and forward runs to compensate for their defensive orientation.
    CD (closing down) at 17/18 for my front 3, to disturb the opponents’ build-up & establishment of play. This problem of the galavanting forwards is in my opinion again down to the wrong positioning. The fact that they close down/press in a line (SL S SR) and not in a curve/arce (AML S AMR). Very obvious when an opposition DC is forced to make a back pass. The S would then press the GK and the Wingers (playing from SL & SR) should block the opposition full-backs. Yet what they often do is to close down the space where the non-existent SWL & SWR would play.
    I’ am also using tight marking on the whole front 3, but I like to play with a global mentality at the moment.
    Do your wingers not suffer from high amount of off-sides, with RFD set to often?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxy View Post
    Really good thread, inspired me to have a try, really not sure how to implement the defensive side of the formation. normally not one to download others tactics but think i'll take a look at yours and use it as a base to have a fiddle!
    GUTGW guys!
    I think there are only 2 options:-

    DM
    DL DR
    SW

    Or

    DMC
    DC DC DC

    The DMC DL DC DR set-up just seems to be an invitation for through balls in the current ME.

  73. #73
    Amateur
    Join Date
    20th August 2008
    Posts
    46

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    The DMC DL DC DR set-up just seems to be an invitation for through balls in the current ME
    i've found that for sure. using 3 DC i get taken apart down the flanks and with DL DC DR i get overloaded in the middle, havent experimented much with a sweeper yet, can i play:

    DL--DC--DR
    ----SW----
    within the aforementioned ajax framework? or should it be a defensive diamond like in your 1st example?
    Last edited by Knoxy; 04-12-2009 at 00:51.

  74. #74
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxy View Post
    i've found that for sure. using 3 DC i get taken apart down the flanks and with DL DC DR i get overloaded in the middle, havent experimented much with a sweeper yet, can i play:

    DL--DC--DR
    ----SW----
    within the aforementioned ajax framework? or should it be a defensive diamond like in your 1st example?
    The central defender should move into the DMC position when the team has possession. That is the reason I opted for DMC, but you could try RDF (run from deep) often, maybe even free-role and/or playmaker role.

  75. #75
    Amateur
    Join Date
    18th December 2008
    Location
    ol' Amsterdam
    Posts
    232

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz, hows the system for FM10 coming along?

  76. #76
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Menz View Post
    Marz, hows the system for FM10 coming along?
    Coming along nicely in terms results:-

    Amsterdam Tournament wins against AC Milan & Sevilla

    Top of the Eredivisie with a game in hand (6 played 5 wins & 1 draw away to PSV)

    Top of the Euro Cup group (1 played beating Athletic Bilbao away, strongest team besides Ajax in the group)

    Through to the Dutch Cup 3rd round.

    But there are many positional issues, like the one Guv'nor (and even a few 433 thread posters) and I have pointed out in the ME (Wing forwards defensive positioning is just plain wrong). Need to make a detailed post with pkms and screenshots for SI which will take some time.

    For me the starting positions of the wingers are up in the air at the moment. It’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ideally I would like the wingers to play in the real life positions of FL and FR. With a midfield of 3 MCs were the central one should position himself in the AMC position when the team is in build-up or establishing play. Here again compromises have to be made as in this sophisticated ME players only play within 1 position. Similar problems arise in defence where in theory the #4 should play from DC to DMC.

    Another problem is the positioning and covering in defence. The #4 (DMC) keep sprinting/running over to close down opponents Wingers, when the winger is in an area/situation where the half-back should be dealing with the threat. He should just become the 2nd central defender or cover the area in front of the defence. With the half-back stepping out (a few meters) and position himself to deal with the threat. This could be down my settings, so still tweaking. It would be nice to hear other peoples thoughts on this issue.
    So all in all it’s a mixed bag at the moment.
    Last edited by Marz; 20-12-2009 at 00:16.

  77. #77
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    Which team are you currently playing with as I though you only played as Ajax?


    Quote Originally Posted by Marz View Post
    Coming along nicely in terms results:-

    Amsterdam Tournament wins against AC Milan & Sevilla

    Top of the Eredivisie with a game in hand (6 played 5 wins & 1 draw away to PSV)

    Top of the Euro Cup group (1 played beating Athletic Bilbao away, strongest team besides Ajax in the group)

    Through to the Dutch Cup 3rd round.

    But there are many positional issues, like the one Guv'nor (and even a few 433 thread posters) and I have pointed out in the ME (Wing forwards defensive positioning is just plain wrong). Need to make a detailed post with pkms and screenshots for SI which will take some time.

    For me the starting positions of the wingers are up in the air at the moment. Its like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ideally I would like the wingers to play in the real life positions of FL and FR. With a midfield of 3 MCs were the central one should position himself in the AMC position when the team is in build-up or establishing play. Here again compromises have to be made as in this sophisticated ME players only play within 1 position. Similar problems arise in defence where in theory the #4 should play from DC to DMC.

    Another problem is the positioning and covering in defence. The #4 (DMC) keep sprinting/running over to close down opponents Wingers, when the winger is in an area/situation where the half-back should be dealing with the threat. He should just become the 2nd central defender or cover the area in front of the defence. With the half-back stepping out (a few meters) and position himself to deal with the threat. This is could ne down my settings, so still tweaking. It would be nice to hear other peoples thoughts on this issue.
    So all in all its a mixed bag at the moment.

  78. #78
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:

    Which team are you currently playing with as I though you only played as Ajax?
    Yes correct with Ajax

  79. #79
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    Hows the season on FM10 coming along?

  80. #80
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    Hows the season on FM10 coming along?
    Not much has changed since my result summary. In terms of the system and tactics I’am waiting on patch 10.2 to see if the closing down (and positioning) of the half-backs and left & right midfielders (#8 & 6) too threats on the wings is more realistic.
    In the short term I’ am waiting on SI to reply to the thread about the Wing Forwards.
    Last edited by Marz; 11-12-2009 at 16:09.

  81. #81
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    who do you currently have as your attacking and defensive coaches? Just wondering as I find it very difficult to find any coach that prefers the 3-4-3?

  82. #82
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    who do you currently have as your attacking and defensive coaches? Just wondering as I find it very difficult to find any coach that prefers the 3-4-3?
    The preferred formation/system of staff is only used when they manage teams. You can dictate the system used by your Reserve and Under 18s teams, through team settings.

  83. #83
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    What is your longest unbeaten run at this point? Compared other versions of FM are you scoring more or less goals?

  84. #84
    Amateur
    Join Date
    23rd September 2006
    Posts
    641

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Also from my experience staff, especially ass.man changes his preferred formation to yours after some time, in case you haven't changed it over the course of time.

  85. #85
    Third Team
    Join Date
    13th August 2008
    Location
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Posts
    6,070

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz, how are you setting up your front 3?

    I'm playing the demo and I'm having pretty good success with Barcelona and Arsenal, I'm trying to create an attacking 4-3-3 tactic and I'm having a lot of joy playing the wide players as FL and FR.

    I've set them to be attacking inside forwards, so they're capable of cutting inside and threatening the goal themselves, or going wide and getting crosses in to my central striker.

  86. #86
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    marz:

    What is your longest unbeaten run at this point? Compared other versions of FM are you scoring more or less goals?
    In FM07 I was unbeaten for 2 seasons plus a few games in the league and domestic cup, lost a few matches in European competition. Compared to FM07 I’ am scoring less goals but the difference in squad quality has a lot to do with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurballmkII View Post
    Marz, how are you setting up your front 3?

    I'm playing the demo and I'm having pretty good success with Barcelona and Arsenal, I'm trying to create an attacking 4-3-3 tactic and I'm having a lot of joy playing the wide players as FL and FR.

    I've set them to be attacking inside forwards, so they're capable of cutting inside and threatening the goal themselves, or going wide and getting crosses in to my central striker.
    I do not use the tactic wizard, so I cannot help you with that. The game also has an issue with wing forwards, see posts #68, 69, 70.


    Believe it or not, I’ am currently playing like this against 442:-

    SL S SR (sometimes playing the wingers from AML & AMR)
    AMC
    MC MC
    DMC
    DC DC
    SW
    GK

    Ridiculous isn’t it.

    Against 433/451 I drop the DMC back to DC and push the DC's out to DL & DR.


    I’ am going to be on holiday till 3/4 jan 2010. So everyone have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
    Last edited by Marz; 21-12-2009 at 21:36.

  87. #87
    Amateur
    Join Date
    3rd November 2006
    Location
    France & Holland
    Posts
    209

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Hi Marz,

    Are you going to be releasing a tweaked tactic? Christmas is just around the corner and I was waiting for a gift !!
    Speaking about gifts just went on the Ajax website and saw a great fleece training jacket ..have to get that for sure!!

    had average success with a tactic I tried to make based on your suggestions ..doesn't give me the satisfaction as the one's you have made.

    Looking forward to a new tweaked version ...Does the 10.2 patch solve any of the wing problems?

    Cheers to everyone that has contributed to this great forum over the years and happy holidays ...and Marz Merry Christmas to you and thanks for making my Ajax saves that much more enjoyable.

    All the best everyone

  88. #88
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by ALEXANDER999 View Post
    Hi Marz,

    Are you going to be releasing a tweaked tactic? Christmas is just around the corner and I was waiting for a gift !!
    had average success with a tactic I tried to make based on your suggestions ..doesn't give me the satisfaction as the one's you have made.
    I will see if I can upload one Wednesday night, but it is looking doubtful.


    Quote Originally Posted by ALEXANDER999 View Post
    Looking forward to a new tweaked version ...Does the 10.2 patch solve any of the wing problems?
    A lot better than in 10.1.0 or 10.1.1, but there is still room for improvement. I am more concerned with the fact that a lot of compromises have to be made to get a somewhat similar looking system to real life.

  89. #89
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    Just started playing the 2010 demo. Waiting on Xmas for the real thing. Just found out you cannot import tactics? Is this applicable to 2010 created tactics also? Do you have a list of all the settings available by player to set up the formation?

  90. #90
    Amateur
    Join Date
    4th March 2009
    Posts
    341

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Hey Marz!

    I`ve been a fan of the 70`s Ajax/Holland and their style of play for some time
    and reading through this thread made me want to give a go at this as well!

    I`m going to try a setup with the new tactic system that will be looking like this:

    [IMG][/IMG]


    One question though:

    Have you tried implemented the switching of positions into your tactics?
    I think that could be the key to making the 4-3-3/1-3-3-3 work wonders.


    I`m thinking something like this:

    [IMG][/IMG]

    This would of course mean that you need class players who are able to play in several positions...

    Will be testing and updating in this thread if thats okay with you?

    Cheers!

  91. #91
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hey Marz!

    I`ve been a fan of the 70`s Ajax/Holland and their style of play for some time
    and reading through this thread made me want to give a go at this as well!

    I`m going to try a setup with the new tactic system that will be looking like this:

    [IMG][/IMG]


    One question though:

    Have you tried implemented the switching of positions into your tactics?

    Will be testing and updating in this thread if thats okay with you?
    You are more than welcome.
    In terms of players switching position and this is just a suggestion. In real life they always used to do that within their line in the system/formation:-

    DL, MC (left), SL

    DR, MC (right), SR

    SW, DC

    MC (centre), S

    The above screenshot is very close to how I play when faced with a front 3. Only difference is that I now play the #10 from the AMC position.

  92. #92
    Amateur
    Join Date
    21st May 2000
    Location
    The typical AJAX combination of TIPS is best expressed in creative and, therefore, attacking footbol
    Posts
    375

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyscotsman View Post
    Marz:

    Just started playing the 2010 demo. Waiting on Xmas for the real thing. Just found out you cannot import tactics? Is this applicable to 2010 created tactics also? Do you have a list of all the settings available by player to set up the formation?
    You can not import FM9 (or older) tactic files, but FM10 tactics are not an issue.

  93. #93
    Amateur
    Join Date
    4th March 2009
    Posts
    341

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Hey again Marz!

    Tested for 20 matches now and the first setup needs major improvement!

    The :

    - Lots of posession. (often between 60 - 70 %.)
    - Creates many clear cut chances. (very often 4-6 of them. Had a couple of matches with 8 and 9 ccc.)
    - The position switching seems to work very well offensively.
    - The sweeper and the central midfielder (Verthongen and Edmilson) are playing very good when switching positions.

    The :

    - Defending is at times TERRIBLE!! (lots of space between the central defenders and fullbacks)
    - Conceedes alot of goals. (especially from set pieces/corners)
    - WAY too many of my goals comes from shot outside the penalty area (all players have long shots set to rare


    I do however belive that this system has alot of potential to become really good!
    Will start from the beginning again and try to adjust the things that aren`t working at the moment.

    By the way, are you using the offside trap in your setups?


    Cheers!

  94. #94
    Amateur
    Join Date
    23rd September 2006
    Posts
    641

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Have you tried playing 2 and 5 as DCR and DCL with instructions to hug the touchline? Maybe that way they will play wide in attacking phase and get tight when defending, closing the channels for opposition players.

  95. #95
    Amateur
    Join Date
    4th March 2009
    Posts
    341

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    hey grimness.

    haven`t thought about that.. trying it now.

    A bit sceptical since neither emanuelson og van der wiel is suited to play DC...


    Nope... didn`t work..
    They just stayed in the center.. tried pushing width to maximum but no change
    Last edited by franklin; 23-12-2009 at 17:42.

  96. #96
    Amateur
    Join Date
    4th March 2009
    Posts
    341

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Hey again and Merry Christmas to everyone!

    Been fiddling around with the tactic today and switched from 3 central midfielders to
    1x DM (right/central)
    1x CM (left/central)
    1x AM (central)

    Also removed most of the position switching.
    The only players switching positions now are the 3 strikers and the DM switches with the MC.

    The defensive looks much better with this setup, but it has reduced the attacking threat a little bit..

    Still having alot of posession also.

    All in all it works much better than the first setup,but still not completely satisfied with it...

    Will be doing some more testing and see if I can improve it further.

    Cheers!

  97. #97
    Amateur
    Join Date
    4th March 2009
    Posts
    341

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Now we`re talking!

    Beginning to see some good results after hours of tweaking.

    Bought Ze Adriano,Otamendi and Bernardo.

    Played 18 matches in the Eredivisie, 17 wins and 1 draw. Scored 34, conceeded 5!
    13 point lead on second placed Feyenoord.

    Qualified from the group stages of the EURO League too in a group with Galatasaray,Maccaba Haifa and Metalist. 4-1-1 and 11-5 in goaldifference.

    Lost away to AZ in the 4th round in the AMSTEL cup...

  98. #98
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    marz:

    Just curious how you start with your team in FM2010. I am currently set up as balanced with standard?

  99. #99
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    Any chance you will be posting your current tac soon?

  100. #100
    Amateur
    Join Date
    16th November 2006
    Location
    at ma hoose
    Posts
    750

    Default Re: Pre - Ajax System for FM2010 onwards AFC Ajax 1990s

    Marz:

    How are things with you? Youve been MIA?

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts