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    Has anyone done this, a mean to swap the Premier League with BSN/BSS, Championship with BSP, and League One with League Two.

    This would be an interesting experiment to say the least. You would get Premier League teams relagated from the brink of football and the likes of Havant & Waterlooville winning the premier League. It would be interesting to see in 10 years time who has gotten back up to football and who has gone.



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    That sounds like an absolutely brilliant idea! Obviously it would get quite annoying playing in a game like that after some time, but for the sheer curiousity, i'd love to see it!

    You'd pretty much see the English UEFA club coefficiants drop down to the lowest levels after the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea have dropped off the top, taking away the many ECC and EC places and destroy English football in the long term!
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    anyone else think this is a good idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swisso View Post
    That sounds like an absolutely brilliant idea! Obviously it would get quite annoying playing in a game like that after some time, but for the sheer curiousity, i'd love to see it!

    You'd pretty much see the English UEFA club coefficiants drop down to the lowest levels after the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea have dropped off the top, taking away the many ECC and EC places and destroy English football in the long term!
    Can ECC and EC places actually be taken away in this game?

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    Very interesting idea. Would love for someone to do an experiment on this and holiday 10 seasons. I imgaine prize money would affect at both ends as the old Prem clubs wouldn't be able to pay wages without the massive amounts they get in the Premier League.

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    Kaka playing for Crawley Town? There's a thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_CFC View Post
    Can ECC and EC places actually be taken away in this game?
    Absolutely

    Have a look at World > Europe > Champions Cup > Coefficients. You'll see the top ranked nations by club success in recent times.

    When the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool drop off the list after 5 seasons, the English Nation Coeffecient will drop massively and ECC and EC places will decrease as a result and be awarded to a "better" ranked nation. So the likes of France, Germany, Turkey, Russia will get an extra place or two at Englands expense. Certaintly no more Top 4 clubs in the Champions League in England!

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    I think NepentheZ has got Nire's ranking up enough to give it multiple places.

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    I did this once back on FM05. Was quite interesting but i only did two seasons. I think Gravesend and Northfleet were champions of England both years but unsuprisingly did poorly in Europe. I seem to remember Fulham getting relegated to obscurity and most teams losing their best players abroad.

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    I tried it, after like 10 years the bsn teams moved to prem get stronger and after a while once the prem teams get promoted their about the same standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by swisso
    When the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool drop off the list after 5 seasons, the English Nation Coeffecient will drop massively and ECC and EC places will decrease as a result and be awarded to a "better" ranked nation. So the likes of France, Germany, Turkey, Russia will get an extra place or two at Englands expense. Certaintly no more Top 4 clubs in the Champions League in England!
    No it won't. That happens in real life, but from everything I've read of this game, FM has no capacity to change league reputations. If England teams get knocked out in the first round every year for 100 seasons, England will still be the top ranked league in 2109.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falastur View Post
    No it won't. That happens in real life, but from everything I've read of this game, FM has no capacity to change league reputations. If England teams get knocked out in the first round every year for 100 seasons, England will still be the top ranked league in 2109.
    League rep & Club Co-efficients are two different things.

    League rep doesn't change while co-efficients can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falastur View Post
    No it won't. That happens in real life, but from everything I've read of this game, FM has no capacity to change league reputations. If England teams get knocked out in the first round every year for 100 seasons, England will still be the top ranked league in 2109.
    Cougar2010 pretty much covered what i was going to say. Nation coefficients are based on the success of that nations clubs in European competitions. No success for English clubs means the English Nation coefficient dwindles and falls down the list of European countries.

    I've seen it myself in France. Managing Lyon and winning 2 successive European Cups raised my clubs coefficient to 4th place in Europe and subsequently the French nation coefficient rose to 4th place behind England, Spain and Italy because we boosted the French nation coefficient. As a result we got 2 ECC places extra and another EC place for Ligue 1.

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    If someone with editor experience made this database i would love to play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by given1legend View Post
    If someone with editor experience made this database i would love to play it.
    likewise, if anybody has sorted this, I'd love to give it a go.. putting Abingdon in the premiership like this

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    one is already made, called 'upside down england' and it can be found here

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    I might have to download that and holiday to see what happens some time, cheers sparey.

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    As League Two remains the same, will a League Two team with a chance of promotion be the strongest placed? In a way, they can get a good head start on the old 'Prem' teams.

    The FA cup should pan out in a similar way, however you would get some of the big teams knocked out earlier on, while the new prem teams and Champ teams would have to play less games and have a bit of an advantage.

    Example, you might get Man Utd vs Arsenal in the first round of the FA Cup.

    However, the Carling Cup would be very interesting. None of the new BSP, BSN and BSS teams would be in it, so the League Two teams would be favourites to earn that UEFA Cup place.

    However they would no doubt struggle to get into the UEFA Cup group stage. They might, but they would meet their match there no doubt.

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    Youd have to simulate all games in full detail.

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    How can the bsn and bss be swapped with the prem? And dosen't one or more of the leagues have 22/24(?) teams and the league they are swapping with wouldn't have?

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    Well the upload worked fine and I have looked at the database! Looks good but can't make new game as in a awsome save at the moment

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    The best thing to do would be to get a list of all the teams in those divisions and their reputations and sort them in ascending order. The lowest reputation team goes into the Premiership and the highest reputation team goes into the Conference (or split them in N / S if you want to go that far)

    I was talking to someone about this the other day as I knew I had seen this before. I might do my own one for Scotland and see how it pans out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_CFC View Post
    How can the bsn and bss be swapped with the prem? And dosen't one or more of the leagues have 22/24(?) teams and the league they are swapping with wouldn't have?
    No hair-splitting here

    We all love this idea and wait for the first nice guy to actually do it in the editor and upload the game for us to try and see what happens.

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    This sounds brillent and I may give it a go when I'm home from work. Just to bring the mighty Spurs all the way back :-)

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    Upside Down World - England Edition
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    Here.

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    This is a great idea. Will try it in a day or two to see how successful Havant and W are in the prem.

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    Havant & Waterlooville? I'm playing as them at the moment but in the BSS

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    I am on my current save. I also support them aswell(that's where the hawk part of my name comes from)

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    I'm going to give this a go, not sure who I am going be yet, probably Wycombe as usual!

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    Anyone sure the downloads are safe, and can you just download them and play?

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    Yes, they are safe. Unzip them into the db folder in the sports interactive my documents folder.

    Good fun game, see who really is the best manager!

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