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    Serbian White Eagles??? Acidburn how did they make the CWC...

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    It was held in Canada so maybe the hosts go into it as Seattle were the North American Champions League winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    It was held in Canada so maybe the hosts go into it as Seattle were the North American Champions League winners.
    Hmm, that's interesting. I wouldn't expect Canada to host the CWC any time in the future because the CSL isn't really a big league. They aren't even a professional club...it's unrealistic that they would choose the Serbian White Eagles since TFC, Vancouver and Montreal have much larger fan bases.

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    Maybe they were in it because it had to be a team from the Canadian league although that is a complete guess. The ground it was all played in was called BMO field not being funny as I know you follow Toronto but surely 20k stadium is not big enough really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    Maybe they were in it because it had to be a team from the Canadian league although that is a complete guess. The ground it was all played in was called BMO field not being funny as I know you follow Toronto but surely 20k stadium is not big enough really.
    It's not bad by MLS standards. They're planning to expand by 10k to allow more SST holders to get their seats. Although I don't know whether they're going to do that now.

    Canada shouldn't get a CWC, and even if they do, there's Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, or some of the other CFL stadiums across the country, because they have more room for spectators.

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    This has got me curious to see what other teams have got into it in the past.

    20k is not bad by any standards really I just thought that for this type of tournament they might want a 40k stadium.

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    Very nice work indeed AB! Great result!
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    Season   Country     League              Club            Position        Cups
    2010/11  England     Blue Square South   Woking          14th
    2011/12  England     Blue Square South   Woking          1st
    2012/13  England     Blue Square Premier Woking          1st
    2013/14  England     League Two          Woking          15th
    2014/15  England     League Two          Bury            13th
    Hopefully promotion next year - although it sucked to see Woking get relegated already.

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    guys what type of careers do you prefer reading. non league to champs league? Journeyman? or when people start with the big guns? Out of curiosity>

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    All of them.

    To be honest though, I'm personally mainly into the stories where people start off small and work their way up, whether that be with one club or via a journeyman save.

    I also like any original ideas for challenges, like AB's thread last year where he was trying to win Champions Leagues from every continent. Anything a bit different in terms of a challenge.

    I guess to get me hooked on a career, I quite like there to be some clear aims, whether that be take one club to the top of world football or end up managing a favourite club. That kind of thing.

    I think I'm less interested in the big club saves as there seems less of a long-term challenge/aim but that's just my opinion. I do like reading about big clubs who are 'sleeping giants' though.

    In general, if a career has a bit of a story to it (and isn't just a 'I won everything' thread) then I'll give it a go. The main thing for me is the quality and clarity of the updates and how passionate a person is about their save.
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    I like reading about people who have struggled a little bit but it hasn't put them off and they come back stronger

    I also like Small Club to Big Club (1 club or several)

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    I like most journeyman threads that see the user travel from country to country, don't really like big club threads unless there is something else involved like using all youth players or buying in all one nationality. I might be the minority but I do not really like the non-league to champions league threads there are some exceptions I liked Acidmonkeys Crook thread from last year as he is a fellow Sunderland fan and Crouchys Saints thread as there is a clear passion for the team that he supports in real life. Too many lower league threads involved back to back promotions to the EPL which is easily possible in FM but is not that exciting to read.

    I need to see that the user is really into their game, I know that it is hard to tell but sometimes it can stand out how they feel about their game. I can usually tell within the first few posts if I will enjoy a thread or not.

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    In my career games, I'm happy as long as I'm winning. I really don't care where I'm managing as long as I'm successful.

    I'm very loyal (as AcidBurn knows) to my clubs and I love Asian club and international football. And of course the Canadian national team. I'm pleased if we can go the World Cup regularly.

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    is anybody waiting for the patch before starting a save or you all enjoying it at the moment.

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    Whilst as Bury in League two I've had one of my most impressive FA cup runs:

    R1: Bradford (L2) 2-0
    R2: Shrewsbury (BSP) 2-1
    R3: Altrincham (BSP) 1-0
    R4: Preston (CH) 0-0 and 0p-0
    R5: Leeds (CH) 2-1
    R6: Manchester United (PL) 0-0 and 0-3

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    I will finally get a save started after Xmas (thanks to my deal with my missus)

    I like reading any kind of thread really, although I prefer non-English league careers.

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    What deal with your missus Deisler26?

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    an obvious bribe lol...Maybe hes getting her that engagement ring she wants (if not engaged/married al;ready)

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    May be getting FM11 for Christmas although I dunno if I will be recording my adventures in here.

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    You big tease Sax.

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    I'm probably asking too much, but due to the premature end of my latest Crazy Canuck career, having poured the equivalent of 11 days into that save, and really having no interest in starting a new game and from 2010. I have a request to the FM Careers/CSE (let's be honest here, a lot of us are CSE guys to migrated to Careers forum ):

    I would like someone to setup a 133 league save (will give XML files after I find someone) and preferably would want to holiday to 2019 since I ended up there in my last save. If not, even 2015 would be nice.

    I'll PM more details if someone agrees...I don't mind if I have to wait a little (well preferably before 2011 ) but if someone can assist me I would really appreciate it.

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    Once I have resintalled Win7 and got FM11 then I can do it for you want but you will have to wait til after Christmas...

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    Before New Years at least? Before uni winter term starts?

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    I'd help Rancer but here is no way my laptop would take that number of leagues!

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    As I said in your thread rancer, i'd help if I wasn't into my save. Plus, like Crouchy, i'm not sure I could run all of those leagues!

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    Well my term doesn't start until the 17th :P

    I can try

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    I'd be able to handle it but I don't have FM11

    Yeh Crouchy all my careers just never seem to get finished or I lose interest :/

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    Neil Brock has confirmed that all saves with the Polish 2nd Division loaded, whether playable or view only, (that includes mine ) will not load in 11.2

    So if you got the Polish 2nd Division loaded, do not update with the 2nd patch!!!

    EDIT: It's ok lads. I understand. Thanks for your generosity. You lads definitely aren't on Santa's naughty list.

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    rancer they might do a 11.2.1 as an extra present for you

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    Has anyone else noticed strange board takeovers in their games? One of the smaller Egyptian Premier League clubs just got taken over by a pair of New Zealander businessmen and another is nor run by a Swiss board. I checked out other clubs and a semi-pro team in the 1st Division has a Spanish chairman and another has Russian investors... Seems a bit strange for Egypt - they've got the wrong EPL

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    That might be an issue with the database you are using for Egypt since it isn't a league that comes out of the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobby_McDonald View Post
    That might be an issue with the database you are using for Egypt since it isn't a league that comes out of the box.
    That's probably the reason. In New Zealand half of all the clubs had failed takeovers over and over again...definitely bugged.

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    Constantly happens in New Zealand every week a team is having a takeover fail in 3 months one team had 6 or 7 failed takeover on my save.

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    Just out of curiosity, does anybody know a place to download additional badges/kits/etc. ?

    Unrelated, every time I open the editor to create a competition, my head ends up spinning and I realize I have no idea what to make of the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackripper View Post
    guys what type of careers do you prefer reading. non league to champs league? Journeyman? or when people start with the big guns? Out of curiosity>
    I'm late answering this, but my preference is generally:

    1. Journeyman
    2. Non-league to Champs League
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    Eleventyith. Start with the big guns.

    I suspect it's because my background is from LLM (and before that, CMC).

    I especially like reading the ones that start with a club outside England. Probably because the SI forums are, not surprisingly, tilted to beginning games in England, so starting with a non-English club is something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason the Yank View Post
    Just out of curiosity, does anybody know a place to download additional badges/kits/etc. ?
    I get mine from either FM Britain or sortitoutsi, they usually have some great add ons there thanks to the hard work of the community. The graphics pack I have for FM11 is the one used for FM10 which is a torrent and can be found if you search in google (sorry, I don't have the link). I don't know if you're like me but I much prefer having the badges/kits as it adds to my in game realism .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackripper View Post
    guys what type of careers do you prefer reading. non league to champs league? Journeyman? or when people start with the big guns? Out of curiosity>
    I'll also answer a bit late .

    I like reading all kinds of threads...as long as they're clear and easy to read. I really can't be bothered to sift through a thread if it's a mess .

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    I wish I could start my career thread but I cannot get a job when I set up my continental dominance saves, I only like to load 10 to 15 countries and no matter what success I have I struggle to get a job of any type anywhere in the world.

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    They still haven't sorted that out with the patch then AB?

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    No not yet they are looking into it after myself and a few others uploaded save games with this issue. I am enjoying my Sunderland save for now and am thinking of doing an international save and not managing any club side just moving from country to country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason the Yank View Post
    Just out of curiosity, does anybody know a place to download additional badges/kits/etc. ?

    Unrelated, every time I open the editor to create a competition, my head ends up spinning and I realize I have no idea what to make of the format.
    SORTITOUTSI!!!

    Follow all these steps and you're all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason the Yank View Post
    I suspect it's because my background is from LLM (and before that, CMC)
    Like Jason I came from LLM. So I like careers that start low and are played in a realistic manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raware View Post
    I get mine from either FM Britain or sortitoutsi, they usually have some great add ons there thanks to the hard work of the community. The graphics pack I have for FM11 is the one used for FM10 which is a torrent and can be found if you search in google (sorry, I don't have the link). I don't know if you're like me but I much prefer having the badges/kits as it adds to my in game realism .
    I never have, but I was just thinking about it, thanks to always posting the Yanbian FC logo in my game thread but never seeing it in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobby_McDonald View Post
    Like Jason I came from LLM. So I like careers that start low and are played in a realistic manner.
    "Welcome to LLM. We're easy like Sunday morning."

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    Bah. Was hoping there was a way to send my team on holiday for a couple of weeks (reward them for their performance in the first half of the season, let them get rested for the second half, have some time to watch the World Cup, etc.) but I can't seem to find that option.

    I'm sure it used to be in the game.

    I suppose I can just set all them to "rest" on the training schedule.

    (EDIT: I mean, I can holiday. But I wanted to let the lads have some time off)
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    HO-LY ****.

    May be the ultimate edit file: http://community.sigames.com/showthr...Gambare-Nippon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason the Yank View Post
    HO-LY ****.

    May be the ultimate edit file: http://community.sigames.com/showthr...Gambare-Nippon!
    I know which file I'm going to use for my FM12 career game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason the Yank View Post
    HO-LY ****.

    May be the ultimate edit file: http://community.sigames.com/showthr...Gambare-Nippon!
    I wished i'd of waited to start my save now! Superb work!

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    Merry Christmas to those of you in Europe/Asia/Oceania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancer890 View Post
    Merry Christmas to those of you in Europe/Asia/Oceania.
    Seconded! Still a few hours to wait until Santa arrives on this side of the pond.

    Also, catching up on this thread and there are a couple of things I wanted to comment on (I know I'm late to the party so I promise that I'll limit it at least to just issues discussed on this page!):

    The CWC: The champions of the host nation's domestic league always get to participate in the tournament - I remember in my FM10 India save I got to participate in the CWC in only my third season in charge because it was held in India, despite the fact that I had never even played in the ACL. This season IRL Al-Wahda of the UAE got to participate and actually made it past Oceania champs Hekari United in the opening round before losing to Seongnam in the quarter finals. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the champions of the host country get admitted to the tournament since part of the point of the CWC is to spread football to other parts of the world/encourage more people to become fans in "developing" football nations/improve quality and increase interest in "developing" leagues around the world/typical boilerplate FIFA blather (or should I say Blatter? *groan*).

    What kind of career games I enjoy: If it's a good thread, I'll read anything, though generally I prefer a career where the manager moves about between clubs - I think the small club to big club type challenges have it covered when it comes to taking a small team and making them world beaters (though again, if it's a well written thread, then I'll still enjoy it!).

    Weird takeovers: It didn't actually happen in the end, but I got a news item that Ryan Giggs was leading a consortium to take over my club Vasco. And that's the Vasco in India, not the Vasco in Brazil.

    New graphics: There are some great websites out there that make graphics packs - got to love the FM community! I'd also add that it's really not too hard to create FM-ready club badges if you have access to Photoshop. Don't want to have a thread about this in the Careers forum since it's not the place for it, but I'll happily create badges for any of my fellow Careers forum aficionados if they can provide me with a decent quality original to make it from (a quick Google search normally turns up what you need). If anyone's interested - feel free to PM me!
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    I FINALLY have FM2011. Bring on the career thread!

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    Happy New Year to my fellow FMers!

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    How do people here feel about centre backs scoring a lot from set pieces?

    I've recently found out that there may be yet another 'corner bug' with this version of the game, leading to unrealistic numbers of goals. I've not changed my tactics since the game was released but I've now got a defender who is scoring for fun. I've checked and I'm not using the so called exploit, although this defender does take up the 'key position'. He's now got 12 goals from 44 games (5 from 32 in the league) which I consider a lot but perhaps not quite out of the question. I'm joint top for goals from corners in my league, so my numbers don't look too out of place but I'm definitely doing well for set pieces.

    Where would you draw the line and change the routine to tone things down? Or would you take advantage of it and go for more goals (which I know I could do but won't)?

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    I think if you had the system from the beginning, then you can be happy with it.

    It's changing it to exploit or knowingly setting your team up like that that's over the line IMO.

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    I agree with Deisler in that if you've had the system from the beginning then you can be happy. It's when you knowingly change your set up to exploit the known 'bug'. 12 goals in 44 games is above average but I wouldn't say excessive. I remember a few seasons back Lescott getting 8 or 9 and Gallas getting at least 5 so for your centre half to have 5 league goals is about average i'd say.

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    Could anyone tell me how to post a career overview screen please?

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    Like this you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raware View Post
    Like this you mean?

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    Thanks, thats what i was after.

    Also how do i make a picture into text. So for example i have some text called 'league table' and when you click on it it brings up the picture of league table i uploaded to say imageshack?

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    [*url=link to image here]Name of Link[/url*]

    Remove the stars obviously lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    [*url=link to image here]Name of Link[/url*]

    Remove the stars obviously lol.
    Works a treat, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raware View Post
    I agree with Deisler in that if you've had the system from the beginning then you can be happy. It's when you knowingly change your set up to exploit the known 'bug'. 12 goals in 44 games is above average but I wouldn't say excessive. I remember a few seasons back Lescott getting 8 or 9 and Gallas getting at least 5 so for your centre half to have 5 league goals is about average i'd say.
    Looking back it seems he scored a lot against weak opposition in the cups, he even managed a hattrick.

    Just now I've just beaten another weak team in the cup, with all four goals coming from corners (with four different scorers) which is the same amount we've scored in eight league games. Goals from corners do seem a bit excessive, but it only seems to be against the much weaker teams.

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    Guys. what about an OT thread for here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Guys. what about an OT thread for here?
    I would like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Guys. what about an OT thread for here?
    This thread has sometimes been used for off topic stuff, although most of it is forum/FM related. If there's something really important/interesting that needs saying then please go ahead and use this thread.

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    I wonder if I can have a journeyman game through Europe as I will not be able to do my continental game.

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    I've found a journeyman career in Europe fine so far.

    Which leagues did you load with your continental game?

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    England, Spain, Italy, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Egypt. I suppose I could just start somewhere that isn't New Zealand but do not want to risk it. I even downloaded FMRTE and put my managers reputation up to 10,000 making him have a full world class reputation and still could not get a job. I think if your reputation is made in one country that has a low rep then getting another job is a lot harder.

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    Was there much overlap in the reputation of the NZ league and the others?

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    Here's a thought. Is there an inherent snobbery on this board? If you're not starting off in Mali Division 2 on a journeyman save, you're less regarded / read than others? Or is it the power of the writing? Just a subject to provoke conversation really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dafuge View Post
    Was there much overlap in the reputation of the NZ league and the others?
    I think that was the problem New Zealand is half a star and BSP is higher I think. I have seen people unable to move from Africa to any jobs at all anywhere in the world but I am not sure what leagues they had loaded. Rancer I think it was suggested you can only move to a league that is half a star higher than your current one, I think that is what he said anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Here's a thought. Is there an inherent snobbery on this board? If you're not starting off in Mali Division 2 on a journeyman save, you're less regarded / read than others? Or is it the power of the writing? Just a subject to provoke conversation really!
    I like any threads for me a journeyman save can be entertaining starting with a second tier team or even a low down top side like Blackpool. The ones I do not read much are non-league to EPL I am not having a go at anyone but I find them as boring as starting as Barcelona, obviously there are a few exceptions. I find there are too many of them on here I like change reading about people moving countries rather than building one side up. I think there might be a little bit of what you mentioned but for me that opening few posts let me know if I will like a thread or not.

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    I think if you are planning on a journeyman career then people will expect you to start off at a pretty low level, since it is the progression up through the clubs that is appealing. That's not to say that it is impossible to create an interesting read in the higher leagues, just that it may be less appealing to a lot of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    I think that was the problem New Zealand is half a star and BSP is higher I think. I have seen people unable to move from Africa to any jobs at all anywhere in the world but I am not sure what leagues they had loaded. Rancer I think it was suggested you can only move to a league that is half a star higher than your current one, I think that is what he said anyway.

    That seems to fit in with my experience so far.

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    Along with what Acid said, there seems to be a mass proliferation of BSS/BSN to EPL threads which, for me, make them much of a muchness. There are always exceptions obviously, but mainly UK careers tend to lose my interest.

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    I like to read about different leagues and teams I have never experienced before. I like seeing some player I have never heard of scoring 20 goals a season, I guess combined with watching English football on TV and having my saves with Crewe, Sunderland and Nantwich seeing even more English football kind of takes away my interest a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dafuge View Post
    That seems to fit in with my experience so far.
    I think if I give it another go and edit the New Zealand league to have a reputation half a star under a playable league then I might be able to move clubs after success in New Zealand. Will have to do some holiday tests first though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Along with what Acid said, there seems to be a mass proliferation of BSS/BSN to EPL threads which, for me, make them much of a muchness. There are always exceptions obviously, but mainly UK careers tend to lose my interest.
    Is there though? Looking at the top of the first page it looks like the 'round the world journeyman' types seem to be the most popular.

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    AcidBurn - I checked and the Egyptian Premier League and Uruguayan Primera have the same rep (2.5*) which may well explain how I was able to ditch relegation battling Koroum for quite a decent Wanderers team. I think the rep of the NZ League is just too low... However, sustained success in the OCL should be enough to get a move somewhere and I guess that's a feature of league rep SI will have to tweak for future releases.

    Deisler26 - not sure about 'snobbery' as I've never seen anyone comment "this isn't a real journeyman save because you started too high up". As dafuge said, the appeal of starting small may attract more readers than jumping in with a well-known club. Personally, I've included the leagues from New Zealand, South Korea, Egypt, India and Russia in my FM11 game because I've enjoyed reading about other users' past exploits in them. Having said that, if there's was an well-written thread about managing big European sides or top level international teams, I'm sure I'd take a look.

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    I think another reason we don't tend to get threads about big clubs is the GPTG forum. Over there they have club threads which double up as career update threads and I can't imagine many of them would want to move here to have a thread of their own when they already have everything they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgeeD View Post
    AcidBurn - I checked and the Egyptian Premier League and Uruguayan Primera have the same rep (2.5*) which may well explain how I was able to ditch relegation battling Koroum for quite a decent Wanderers team. I think the rep of the NZ League is just too low... However, sustained success in the OCL should be enough to get a move somewhere and I guess that's a feature of league rep SI will have to tweak for future releases.
    I have ran a two season holiday game and managed to go from New Zealand to Spanish second division by making New Zealand a 2 star league which is probably a bit high, to be fair I do not care if it is as long as I can move around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Here's a thought. Is there an inherent snobbery on this board? If you're not starting off in Mali Division 2 on a journeyman save, you're less regarded / read than others? Or is it the power of the writing? Just a subject to provoke conversation really!
    As DodgeeD and dafuge said, i'm not sure there's any kind of 'snobbery' here where people don't read because you've not started at the lowest of the low. I think that if you're planning on a journeyman career then people will expect you to start off at a pretty low level, since it is the progression up through the clubs that is appealing. I think it also depends on people's individual interests and whether they have common grounds with the said thread if they're to follow the thread.

    What captures my interest is mainly the power of the writing and the depth and style of updates. For example, DSYoungEsq's, DodgeeD's, rancer's and Jason the Yank's style of updates and writing is what interests me. They're different from each other, DSYoungEsq's is a one club career, while DodgeeD's, rancer'sand Jason the Yank's are journeyman's so I like every type of career. However, they're not a month by month/game by game update, rather three or four updates with enough information to let the reader know what's going on. Now, i'm not saying that this is the right way to update, merely what I prefer. I had this discussion last year with a certain member and they got quite defensive about my opinion and left the Career Updates forum unfortunately.

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    I started unemployed with a Sunday League reputation, and managed to get the Dunfermline job, and a season later, Hartlepool came knocking even though I only finished 6th.

    And personally I prefer journeyman careers or rags-to-riches stories, more so the former. I'm not really interested in youth development, single nation clubs and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raware View Post
    I had this discussion last year with a certain member and they got quite defensive about my opinion and left the Career Updates forum unfortunately.
    What a numpty. One reason of being in a forum is to share opinions.

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    I generally gravitate towards journeyman careers where people move from club to club, especially if they are playing in leagues that are a little more out of the ordinary or that I don't play in that much - and I think the main reason for that is because that's the kind of FM game I generally like to play as well. As Raware said, it depends a lot on people's personal interests. Having said that, a some of my favourite threads at the moment are one club careers, so it just goes to show that the writing really is key.

    Not many people write about this kind of game, but I definitely wouldn't have a problem with a thread where they just moved about between big clubs - that is (not to sound like a broken record), as long as the writing is good. The only thing that I might feel put off by would be a career where they started off at Man Utd and won the league every single season - I think that would probably get old quite quickly. Having said that, I'm totally open to the possibility that someone might write a thread like that and they might surprise me with how good it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deisler26 View Post
    Here's a thought. Is there an inherent snobbery on this board? If you're not starting off in Mali Division 2 on a journeyman save, you're less regarded / read than others? Or is it the power of the writing? Just a subject to provoke conversation really!
    Obviously each individual has their preferences (I favor saves with MLS and Asian leagues for obvious reasons), but as long as the career is written in a clear and concise way it really doesn't matter, although I have less interest if it's a English or UK/Ireland only save (unless that save is like really really lower league). Raware's assessment is spot-on. The club has an influence whether people with read it, but it's really the style that determines whether people will read your threads. I have my own style for reasons that fit the way I play the game, and simple enough for me to read and for others to read. To me, less is more. It's like football, sometimes the simple tactics are the best ones.

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    I have a decent Sunderland save going at the moment and after my best ever first season we finished 2nd I am in the 4th season and have not won the league and it's been a bit of a struggle to get a serious title challenge going. Financial trouble made me sell my star player and terminate the contract of a stroppy Italian forward who was earning 180k a week. I have not posted it as a career because I want to see if I will carry on for 10 seasons, on top of that I can't see there being much interest in a Sunderland anyway.

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    I've been looking around and it seems that not many people do monthly updates, am I better off just doing a preseason, mid-way and end of season update? I want to know if people enjoy the regular updates?

    Here's my thread, I'm wondering if there were less updates, would people still be interested?

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    Dude, I like your updates. You do your updates the way you want. I like your updates and you write well enough so I'll read no matter what.

    I favour the three update season, with the odd report on something I think may be interesting.

    I think the big thing is knowing people are reading and enjoy, gives you the spur to keep updating.

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    I think I'm going to do 3 updates a season, with a few extra ones for important things. That sound alright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    I have a decent Sunderland save going at the moment and after my best ever first season we finished 2nd I am in the 4th season and have not won the league and it's been a bit of a struggle to get a serious title challenge going. Financial trouble made me sell my star player and terminate the contract of a stroppy Italian forward who was earning 180k a week. I have not posted it as a career because I want to see if I will carry on for 10 seasons, on top of that I can't see there being much interest in a Sunderland anyway.
    I'd be interested AB. Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBurn View Post
    I have a decent Sunderland save going at the moment and after my best ever first season we finished 2nd I am in the 4th season and have not won the league and it's been a bit of a struggle to get a serious title challenge going. Financial trouble made me sell my star player and terminate the contract of a stroppy Italian forward who was earning 180k a week. I have not posted it as a career because I want to see if I will carry on for 10 seasons, on top of that I can't see there being much interest in a Sunderland anyway.
    You shoud do it! Go for it, AB!

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    For what it's worth, I really couldn't care less about the country, starting point or general nature of the save being described in a careers update thread. I just like good updates, some interesting narrative, passion from the person updating, and to feel as though they are enjoying their save and are excited by it! Passion for a save can be contagious and can really get you into a career 'story', even if it's the last place/team you would have thought of managing yourself!

    I have to confess that I tend to have more interest in those updates which tend to be fairly 'realistic'. By this, I really mean not exploiting the game, playing in a 'real-life' kind of way and that sort of thing. I also can get a little put off by career updates where the database has been edited (but adding edited leagues is fine, obviously) but that's just one of my own preferences. In addition to this, I tend to have more interest in those updates where people design their own tactics and I particularly like it when people give reasons for some of their choices etc.

    In a way, reading something like Acidburn's Sunderland save would appeal to me even more, in fact, despite being a career game with a big club playing at the top level. This is because it is a save involving a club he supports and I would enjoy reading about how he thinks the team should be playing and all about the signings he makes and so on. That would really appeal to me.

    The most important thing by far is the layout and the content. A poorly written thread with a confusing layout results in me closing the window pretty quickly, to be brutally honest. I like a good clear layout, which makes things really clear regarding the team being managed and how they are doing etc. If the thread is easy to read and accessible then I'll likely be subscribing and tuning in for more.

    You have to remember, as well, that one club games are just plain different to journeyman games, but they both have plenty of interesting narratives. For a one club game, your aim might be breaking club records and seeing through the careers of your favourite players. For a journeyman career, you are going to be mixing it up a bit and taking on new challenges all of the time. Both are interesting in their own ways, so I'm a bit disappointed by the attitude that one is superior to the other.

    And I find myself just as interested in English or UK careers as I am with those who go to more exotic destinations. On the one hand, it's familiarity and because I have a deep love of football in my country, I'll always enjoy those types of stories. On the other, it's something a bit different and so the interest is there to find out about a new set of leagues with new rules and different challenges.

    There are so many different types of save to have on FM. Journeyman, one club careers, club and country and various other short- and long-term challenges. All are interesting in their own ways. Nobody should feel discouraged from starting a thread on here describing their career because it does not fit in with the more dominant themes. After all, I'm sure we'd all rather read about a save that they are enjoying a great deal, rather than a save that they feel they should be playing instead!
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    I agree, I think that if somebody puts effort into writing up a career thread and does it well, then it is always an enjoyable read, no matter what the content is. Similarly, the reason for people liking journeyman careers is that they like a bit of variety. People also want each thread to be different, and a variety - some journeyman saves, some fallen giants, some rags to riches and some long term, single club files. I think that a well made career thread will pull in readers because of how it's written and laid out, rather than the content.

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    We should put all the 2010 FMCU Award winners in a sticky thread for people to peruse and see examples of excellent writing.

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    How about a Hall of Fame for some of the best career update threads that have now finished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crouchaldinho View Post
    How about a Hall of Fame for some of the best career update threads that have now finished?
    This is a good idea, I'd be interested in reading some older classic threads through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offen94 View Post
    This is a good idea, I'd be interested in reading some older classic threads through.
    Some of the threads are here but it would be nice to have another sticky with all the best threads out there.

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    Most people know about the problems I have had with getting a job outside of New Zealand. I changed the reputation of New Zealand and after some success I managed to get a job at Charlton in league one after a few games I left and went to Portsmouth who have a better base for promotion. I am also constantly linked with jobs in the Spanish second division. My reputation has also dropped from continental to national so I guess the reputation only counts for the current continent you are in.

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    How do people feel about videos in threads? I am thinking of doing the match highlights of my best 3 matches of the season plus one for the best goal.

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    That works for me. Perhaps only one match tho?

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    One match might be better, I just can't decide which one out of the three already loaded up to youtube lol.

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