johnny_44 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I have got a problem that I dont understand In my last season I bought a really good striker all my scouts said that he was a quality players and not far from my best striker HENRI SAIVIET at the age of 28 Now I have compared the attributes and they are all the same . What I dont understand it why is my striker no where near as good as SAVIET My new striker was 22 when signed and in his first season he scored 13 goals in 25 premier games . Now when I get a scout report is says he is some way off saviet Here is my new striker http://yfrog.com/7gpicture1fycp Here is the Scout report http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9190/picture5iya.png In the scout report is says he is some way off Saviet but last season it did not say that . It said not far off He is just not the same players How can this be ??? My Tactics are the same as well and I WON THE league last year ?????/ Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 I am just worried that If I buy a new striker then after a season the same thing might happen to him . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Scout reports vary. Most accurate assessment you'll get is by choosing '3 matches' and doing so a few times. Secondly if you bought him then the assessment of your staff member can differ from that of your scout before you bought him depending on various factors. Weaker foot and hidden attributes 'contribute' to scout/staff assessments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Scout reports are based on CA/PA not attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncherdave Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 If you've signed him then it will actually be coach reports instead. Perhaps either the scout you used to find him or the coach that is giving you the report now he's in your squad isn't very good. Actually, now I've typed that, there's also the fact you won the league at the end of last season so I assume your pre-season expectations will probably be higher this season. This affects how your coaches/scouts rate players, as they will be less generous. It doesn't explain why he's now so far off Saivet, but it may explain why his star rating has gone down. The coaches will have a better idea on your own player now though than any scout possibly could, or at least it makes sense that way, scouts don't see the player train every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 Thanks Is there a way that in the future when I buy a striker than he may not be actually as good as first thought When I bought this guy he was 22 I signed him and we was scoring many goals . Then in the second season there was a prooven goal scorer who played for sunderland and I signed him who in a way replaced him Is there a way just to make sure that he is going to be good ? Because there is a striker I want to buy who has scored goals for PSG like 20 goals every season but so did the other guy . How can I guarantee Also I had won the league the year before that aswelll Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 You can't guarantee, it's football. Afonso Alves? But I will say consistency is something overlooked by many. I'll take a player that my scout says is consistent over someone with superior attributes that my scout says nothing about with respect to his consistency. Also look at the gelling part as to how a player will fit in with respect to personality, under the Personality section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 So .... When you want to buy a striker what do you look at . I will now look at if he has scored goals in the Premier League . All opinions Welcome Also is there a reason why my striker has dropped stats like 15 games into the season ???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 By way here is the players stats 1st season did well . I thought he would build on it because he got experience but no He may have not started every game but he does not look the same player http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5374/picture6row.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 You know, you typed it three times yet didn't manage to spell Saviet's name right once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftg87 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 You know, you typed it three times yet didn't manage to spell Saviet's name right once You mean Henri Saivet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Ok I am very sorry LOL Anyway what do u look at when u buy a striker Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauvner Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Finishing Off the Ball Decisions Determination (always make sure its about 14) Composure Concentration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 FinishingOff the Ball Decisions Determination (always make sure its about 14) Composure Concentration. Plus these for me, Acceleration Pace Jumping First Touch Dribbling Also I like them to have a degree of professionalism, the more the merrier. Prefer 'Professional' personality or Model Pro...so forth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You mean Henri Saivet? Thats how i thought it was spelt too. Pipe that arsenal 2111 lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 What I dont understand is that my players attributes are all that is necessary Finishing Off The Ball Desgions Determination Compousure First Touch They are all there and he can use both feet . So what reason is there to be for him not playing to well in the games he has played . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelives Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I may be misunderstanding the problem here but to me it sounds like Saviet's stats improved so now the 'new guy' has further to go to be as good as him. Im Man City and it often compares scouted DCs to Micah Richards saying 'they can be as good as him' but Richards still (according to my y-coach peter beardsley) has another stars worth of PA left to get yet. So If they scouted DCs might be as good as Richards is currently, it means in a few years even if they reach that potential Richards attributes will most likely have developed even more and now be out of reach. Thats how I always thought it worked anyway. Im sure someone will correct me If im wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yes that probbabley is right it is just the 1st season I had the striker the Coach reports said he was close to Saviet but now he is far away ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You mean Henri Saivet? Thats how i thought it was spelt too.Pipe that arsenal 2111 lol It is spelt Saivet, but 1. It was sarcasm and 2. I didn't want to player name. You should know me better by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftg87 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 It is spelt Saivet, but 1. It was sarcasm and 2. I didn't want to player name.You should know me better by now Shocking attempt to try to make us look stupid when it was you who messed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 It is spelt Saivet, but 1. It was sarcasm and 2. I didn't want to player name.You should know me better by now Oh, now i got you ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Oh, now i got you ...... Saivet Anyway - I just gave the free role option to him and he played a lot better ?? another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Do you guys give your striker a free role ?? A question If 1 week I decide to play a striker with free role because I want to play that certain striker and then the following game I dont play a different striker without a free role will that cause bad effect on my team ??? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 ?????????????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Q1. Do a search in Tactics forum and you'll find plenty of stuff about free roles. Q2. No. Just for future reference it's generally considered bad form to bump your own thread, especially 20 odd minutes after posting the question . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Q1. Do a search in Tactics forum and you'll find plenty of stuff about free roles.Q2. No. Just for future reference it's generally considered bad form to bump your own thread, especially 20 odd minutes after posting the question . Very sorry about that Anyway I think I have worked out the problem One of his PPM was the offside trap which never would suit my style of play ! Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Very sorry about thatAnyway I think I have worked out the problem One of his PPM was the offside trap which never would suit my style of play ! Cheers No worries That PPM is on my 'avoid at all costs' list especially when coupled with low decisions/anticipation. Too high a mentality/forward runs setting and that PPM will have a player setting 'most offsides in a single match' records in no time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 It is also because his PPM does not suit my style of play . That PPM is more for counter-attacking where I like to dominate possesion Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yeah mate, offside trap sucks. I had a great regen come through with it and he got so many offsides, was like Inzagi reincarnated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bardock Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I always thought it's a good PPM for a player to have. Basically for running onto a clever through ball. Am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yeah its really good if hes smart My regen was great but had bad anticipation, or whatever. Always picked the wrong time to start running Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelives Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I have a player who has that PPM and to be honest its a mixed bag. On his day hes awesome and creates havoc but just as often hes rubbish and ends up offside constantly. Its not one I look for but its not the worst one either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 I tried telling my player that I dont want him to be offside so much and dosnt want to listen to me . Is there any other way I can get that PPM away ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_44 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 So is there a way round it ? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 ^No. lower Mentality/forward runs if it annoys you, higher if you don't mind 5 offsides if the 6th time he moves he gets away with it for a clear run at the keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yeah mate, offside trap sucks. I had a great regen come through with it and he got so many offsides, was like Inzagi reincarnated. Meh! Just signed Inzaghi on a free transfer... One of very few reasonable quality veterans who would actually join my "onwards and upwards" Granada CF side Scored a hat-trick in his first game pre-season. All from his off the ball movement (rated at 18), high anticipation & composure, plus the obvious aid of "Likes To Try To Beat The Offside Trap" PPM, how I read the match at least. Ultimately I think that how effective PPM's are depends on a combination of your tactical settings and how well suited a player's attributes are in tandem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhroX Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Meh!Just signed Inzaghi on a free transfer... One of very few reasonable quality veterans who would actually join my "onwards and upwards" Granada CF side Scored a hat-trick in his first game pre-season. All from his off the ball movement (rated at 18), high anticipation & composure, plus the obvious aid of "Likes To Try To Beat The Offside Trap" PPM, how I read the match at least. Ultimately I think that how effective PPM's are depends on a combination of your tactical settings and how well suited a player's attributes are in tandem. Agreed. "Likes To Try To Beat The Offside Trap" can be very useful, if the player has the attributes (mental in particular) and instructions to take advantage of it. Plus, remember, being caught offside 20 times in a match doesn't really matter if you get it right a couple of times.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaroq Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Likes To Beat Offside Trap isn't a no-go item for me - it just requires very good mental attributes to get the most out of it. For a player to get best use of it, he's going to need exceptional: Anticipation Decisions Off the Ball Teamwork As well as Acceleration. Then, you set the player to "Normal" forward runs; the PPM will nudge him towards "Often" without you needing to instruct him to. For players to pick him out, they need high Anticipation, Creativity, Decisions, Passing, and Teamwork, usually with Through Balls Often or Normal. Finally, the PPM tends to result in massive numbers of offsides when either the striker or the man playing him the pass have not yet "gelled" with the team. After several seasons working together, however, it can be devastating, especially when lined up opposite a side whose defense has not gelled... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Meh!Just signed Inzaghi on a free transfer... One of very few reasonable quality veterans who would actually join my "onwards and upwards" Granada CF side Scored a hat-trick in his first game pre-season. All from his off the ball movement (rated at 18), high anticipation & composure, plus the obvious aid of "Likes To Try To Beat The Offside Trap" PPM, how I read the match at least. Ultimately I think that how effective PPM's are depends on a combination of your tactical settings and how well suited a player's attributes are in tandem. Yeah I mentioned further down that he didnt have the other vital stats. I actually got Inzaghi for Rangers on free, dam he was a good finisher, couldnt run though by that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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