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    Update 271+1
    Years: 22, Months: 272, Days: 8271

    So, just five updates left before Lord Weeman retires and all of the 60 to One managers end their glorious spells at their original clubs. This update will understandably focus on the 63-year-old, who celebrated his birthday this month, but we’ll also check on the fourteen managers who have left their starting places and are in control of other teams.

    Italy, then, would be the logical place for us to start. Remarkably, Napoli remain neck-and-neck with Cool Manager’s Inter in the Serie A title race, but now Inter have a game in hand. Napoli lost their third game of the season this month, 1-2 away to A.C. Milan. They did, however, get home victories over Genoa and Cagliari, and a win at Roma. Diego Gutiérrez continues his fine form, as he bagged five goals over the month, including a hattrick in the 5-0 victory over the Genovese. Napoli travelled to Scotland for their Champions League Last 16 match against Rangers. There, a goal three minutes from time from Welling-born striker Lee Cousins gave Craig Gordon’s side a 1-0 win, but Lord Weeman will be optimistic of overturning that deficit back at San Paolo. Our three managers in Italy are doing very well; Inter obviously top the league, yet to lose a game, with Napoli second. Super Lampard’s Udinese are third, albeit fifteen points behind the leaders. The Udine side are on a winning streak of five games.

    Over in Spain, it looks like Tom Smith has had a positive impact since his arrival from Arsenal last month. Real Madrid, who have won four league games from six under Smith’s tutelage, now lead La Liga, and ended February with a credible 1-1 away to Barcelona. One point behind them are rivals dafuge’s Atlético, who picked up seven points from a possible twelve this month, while cruising through their Europa League Last 32 tie against Saint-Etienne. Neilio’s Zaragoza remain fifth despite splashing the cash last month; they lost 0-2 at the Nou Camp. James Salter’s Las Palmas have slipped to sixteenth after failing to win in an admittedly tough month. They currently sit just three points away from the drop zone.

    In England, James Ridley continues a stuttering start at Arsenal. After elimination from both the Carling Cup and the FA Cup in his first ten days in charge, Ridley has begun to get some victories under his belt, but not great ones. Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday were beaten this month, but the Gunners drew 2-2 at Hull. In the Champions League, they hosted Cool Manager’s Inter at Smith Arena, and drew goalless, meaning they’ll probably leave the competition after the leg at Giuseppe Meazza. Still, Ridley, whose Gunners are fourth, is still the highest-placed of our managers in England, followed by Fréderico Canvey, whose Newcastle are eighth. Despite this, Canvey is Insecure, as the Magpies are tipped Champions League football. Still, Canvey has them in the FA Cup Sixth Round after a victory at third-placed Everton in Round Five, and could get them into the Last Eight of the Champions League if their 2-3 loss at Roma can be overturned.

    Another team struggling below expectations in England are Mikael Schøler’s Tottenham. They are ninth, as opposed to the fifth place that the papers tipped them at the start of the season. Schøler is trying to fix things after Bruno Labbadia’s tenure went bad, and so far he has won four games from seven, and has lifted them from twelfth. Phill Ewles is the lowest-placed of our managers in England; Aston Villa are twelfth, but that’s up one place from last month. Ewles’s side knocked out his former club Olympiakos in the Europa League this month. The Dream Team also played Greece; Brettney Joven’s senior squad drew 1-1, and both Robert Boyle’s under 21s and Maz Armley’s under 19s won 2-1. Finally, elsewhere in the UK, Ben Taylor’s Celtic ended their European dream for this season, following a 2-5 aggregate elimination to Werder Bremen in the Europa League Last 32.

    So, the post-finish world is looking pretty interesting. We’ll see how it develops in the final four updates.

    Job Securities
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    Rank Username             Manager             Club        Security      Days
     1st weeeman27bob         Lord Weeman         Napoli      Very Secure   8271
     2nd tomsmith1989         Tom Smith           Arsenal                   8227

    All Star Top Five – Goals Conceded at Current Club
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     Pos +- Username     Manager          Original Club Current Club Gls (Pr/G) Chnge
     1st +1 weeeman27bob Lord Weeman      Napoli        Napoli       951 (0.82) -0.02 *
     2nd +1 el sid       Cool Manager     At. Madrid    Inter        596 (0.71) -0.03
     3rd NE JSalter      James Salter     Reggina       Las Palmas   110 (1.67)  n/a
     4th NE dafuge       dafuge           Torino        At. Madrid    91 (1.06)  n/a
     5th NE Neilio       Neilio           Almería       Zaragoza      45 (1.13)  n/a

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    Amazing work there Canvey!!! Can't believe it came to an end...

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    Update 271+2
    Years: 22, Months: 273, Days: 8302

    Inevitably, this month was the month when Lord Weeman’s Napoli would slip away in their pursuit of Cool Manager’s Inter. Indeed, Napoli suffered their fourth loss of the season in March, and now sit four points behind the rampant Milanese side. Weeman’s team beat Ascoli and Pescara, and drew at Super Lampard’s Udinese, but were defeated 0-1 at Juventus. Inter are still unbeaten, although they did draw two games this month. Last year, they went unbeaten all season until defeat in the antepenultimate fixture. Hopefully they can avoid that this year and claim the Scudetto without a loss.

    The Carling Cup Final took place this month, but wasn’t particularly interesting. Jim Magilton’s Sunderland met Jürgen Klinsmann’s Manchester City, but neither side could score in normal or extra time. Instead, spot kicks settled the match, and while City put three of their four kicks between the posts, the Black Cats converted all five of theirs, giving them the victory, the first time they’ve lifted this competition. City’s Chinese rightback Tan Dawei was the only player to miss his penalty. Elsewhere in England, Brettney Joven’s national team continued their Euro 2032 qualifying campaign with a match in Liechtenstein. The Three Lions won 6-0, thanks to a hattrick from Napoli forward Dan Shepherd. Clinical Chelsea striker Ricky Lescott also netted twice. Both Robert Boyle’s under 21s and Maz Armley’s under 19s won their corresponding matches 4-0; 20-year-old Celtic striker Joe White got three goals for the under 21s.

    Lord Weeman’s Napoli completed their Champions League tie this month. Last month, they lost 0-1 at Rangers, but they overturned that deficit with a Diego Gutiérrez goal in the match at San Paolo. Penalties were used to settle the match, with both sides scoring four from their first five. Gutiérrez scored the sixth for Napoli, while Rangers’ Nigerian centreback Joseph Olawale missed, sending Napoli through to play A.C. Milan in the Last Eight. They beat Bayern Munich 6-5 in their Last 16 tie, despite a 1-3 loss in Germany. Cool Manager’s Inter won 2-1 at home to knock out James Ridley’s Arsenal by that scoreline, while Tom Smith’s Real Madrid beat Benfica 2-1 overall. Neilio’s Zaragoza lost out on away goals after a 3-3 aggregate draw with Chelsea, while Fréderico Canvey’s Newcastle thumped Roma 3-0 at St James’ to win 5-3 on aggregate. Man City beat Valencia, and Barcelona beat Rapid Wien. Next, Chelsea play Inter, Man City face Real Madrid, and Barcelona meet Newcastle. In the Europa League, Phill Ewles’s Aston Villa beat Galatasaray 4-1 on aggregate to reach the Quarter Finals, while dafuge met his former club Ajax, and a 3-2 win at Amsterdam ArenA followed by a goalless draw in Spain put Atlético Madrid through. They face Elche next, while Aston Villa meet Juventus. Q.P.R. play Liverpool, and Fenerbahçe meet Frosinone.

    This time next month, Lord Weeman could have lost the Scudetto. That would be assuming that Napoli lose all of April’s games and Inter win all, but that is possible.

    Job Securities
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     1st weeeman27bob         Lord Weeman         Napoli      Very Secure   8302
     2nd tomsmith1989         Tom Smith           Arsenal                   8227

    All Star Top Five – Highest Goal Difference at Current Club
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     1st +1 weeeman27bob Lord Weeman      Napoli        Napoli       +1198 *
     2nd +1 el sid       Cool Manager     At. Madrid    Inter        +1094
     3rd NE dafuge       dafuge           Torino        At. Madrid   +  97
     4th NE Neilio       Neilio           Almería       Zaragoza     +  24
       - NE canvey!!     Fréderico Canvey Stoke         Newcastle    +  24

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    Great job canvey in continuing with this

    Congratulations to weeeman on winning the 60 to 1 crown, but commiserations on yet another Serie A title lost to Inter

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    So the big question needs to be asked....are we going to see a 60 to 1 for FM12?

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    @7Bestie7: I'm afraid not - I can't commit another two-and-a-half years to a sign-up!

    Update 271+3

    Years: 22, Months: 274, Days: 8332

    It’s May 2011, so let’s see how our one remaining manager did in April.

    The title continues to slip away for Lord Weeman, and his Napoli team are now six points adrift of Serie A leaders Inter. Napoli started the month in fine form, securing a 3-0 win over Rimini and a 4-0 one over Lazio, but they then dropped four points in the form of two 1-1 draws, against Sampdoria and Parma. Napoli host Inter next; if they win, they’ll hand Cool Manager’s side their first defeat of the season, and be within touching distance of the Milanese team. If they lose, there’ll be a nine-point gap which all but the most optimistic of Napoli fans would admit is too big.

    Napoli would also find themselves overcome by Milanese opposition in the Champions League. Lord Weeman’s Quarter Final tie was against Raúl’s A.C. Milan. Napoli lost the first leg 0-3 at the San Siro, with the most valuable player in the world, Australian striker Nicky Hutchinson, scoring twice, and they couldn’t overcome this deficit with their 1-0 win at San Paolo. Interestingly, Weeman was the only one of our managers to go out in this round; Cool Manager’s Inter beat Chelsea 4-2 on aggregate after a 2-0 win in London, Tom Smith’s Real Madrid easily overcame Man City 3-1, and Fréderico Canvey’s Newcastle ousted Barcelona 4-3 with a 4-1 victory at St James’ Park. Nomadic Italian striker Francesco Boni got three of the four goals in what may turn out to be the Magpies’ best ever European night. In the Semi-Finals, Newcastle and A.C. Milan are locked at 1-1 after the first leg in England, while Real Madrid beat Inter 1-0 at the Bernabéu, giving Manager’s side only their second competitive loss of the season.

    Phill Ewles’s European adventure ended this month, as Aston Villa were handed a 0-3 aggregate defeat by Juventus in the Europa League Quarter Finals. dafuge's Atlético Madrid managed to edge out title rivals Elche with an away goal victory after a 3-3 draw. Frosinone beat Fenerbahçe, and Liverpool beat Q.P.R.. dafuge’s Atlético face a tricky Semi-Final tie against Juventus. The Madrilenian side are also in next month’s Copa del Rey Final, where their opponents are Betis. The Coppa Italia Final sees Inter take on Juventus, while the FA Cup Final is a rematch of one of the Europa League ties, as Liverpool meet Q.P.R..

    Just over fifty days of football for Lord Weeman. Time is ticking on 60 to One!

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     1st weeeman27bob         Lord Weeman         Napoli      Very Secure   8332
     2nd tomsmith1989         Tom Smith           Arsenal                   8227

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     1st NE JSalter      James Salter     Reggina       Las Palmas  -11
     2nd NE MikaelS      Mikael Schøler   Bologna       Tottenham   + 3
     3rd +3 Ridleys      James Ridley     Siena         Arsenal     + 5
     4th +1 TaylorB      Ben Taylor       Fiorentina    Celtic      + 8
     5th -1 Chimpos      Phill Ewles      Valladolid    Aston Villa +10

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    I don't blame you for that! But great job on this one.

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    Update 271+4
    Years: 22, Months: 275, Days: 8363

    Well, I don’t know how this happened. This month, not only have Lord Weeman’s Napoli caught up with Cool Manager’s Inter, but they have overtaken them. In May, Napoli began their charge to the top with a 2-0 victory over the Milanese side. They then beat Frosinone 1-0, Bologna 5-0, and Fiorentina 2-0. After their defeat at San Paolo, Inter drew with both Ascoli and Juventus, before beating bottom-placed Pescara 4-0. Those five points meant that Inter’s six-point advantage was eroded by Napoli’s twelve-point haul, and that Napoli now sit one point ahead with one game to play. Next, Napoli host relegated Vicenza, while Inter travel to Super Lampard’s third-placed Udinese, so guess who the bookmakers are saying will win the Scudetto?

    James Ridley came close to winning the Premier League in his first four months in charge of Arsenal, but in the end, the Gunners finished four points behind eventual winners Man City. Everton and Hull join those two teams in the Champions League, while Phill Ewles, Mikael Schøler and Fréderico Canvey each miss out on European football at Aston Villa, Tottenham, and Newcastle respectively. Wolves, Crystal Palace, and Q.P.R. were relegated, the latter while having played in the Europa League and reached the FA Cup Final this season (they lost 0-1 to Liverpool in extra time). Nottingham Forest, Middlesbrough, and Portsmouth replace them.

    In the Europa League Semi-Finals, dafuge’s Atlético Madrid hosted Juventus, beating the Turin side 3-1 in the first leg. This meant that a 0-1 defeat at Delle Alpi wasn’t enough to put Atlético out. The ill-disciplined Juventus got a man sent off in each leg. Liverpool drew 1-1 away to Frosinone, and secured victory with a 1-0 win at Anfield. Steve Tilson’s side won the competition, beating Atlético 3-1 at the Stadium of Light. Taking the lead just before the half hour mark, the Reds were 3-0 64 minutes in. A 75th-minute goal from Atlético made things a bit closer, but Liverpool’s clinical finishing made them look a different class. Atlético did, however, lift some silverware, beating Betis 1-0 at the Bernabéu in the Copa del Rey Final. The corresponding Italian competition was won by Cool Manager’s Inter, who beat Juventus 2-0. Juventus mustered three shots in the match, none of which was on target.

    Fréderico Canvey’s Newcastle had their Champions League participation ended rather brutally in the Semi-Finals. Having drawn 1-1 at home to A.C. Milan, they travelled to the San Siro. A.C. Milan were 1-0 up after eight minutes, 2-0 up after 22, and 4-0 up after 34. It took Newcastle until the 90+2nd minute to score, when they got a scant consolation through Polish midfielder Waldemar Wozniak. Cool Manager’s Inter also left the competition at this stage; they couldn’t overcome a 0-1 deficit against Real Madrid, drawing 1-1 with the Spanish side at Giuseppe Meazza. The Final was held in Brussels, and saw A.C. Milan take the lead eight minutes in through Australian Nicky Hutchinson. But before half time, Tom Smith’s Real Madrid had equalised, with legendary striker Emanuel Páez scoring. That brings me to;

    The Emanuel Páez-o-meter
    Goals this Month: 4
    Total Goals: 299
    Cost per Goal: £24,247.49


    The second half didn’t see much action, save for Real Madrid’s attempts to take the lead. They were successful right at the death, when man of the moment Turkish midfielder Günay Sahan capitalised from a Milanese defensive mix-up. Tom Smith, who had failed to win the Champions League in his twenty-two years at Arsenal, wins it within five months at Real Madrid. What’s more, he could get a double if he wins the La Liga when the season concludes next week.

    This month, Maz Armley could determine what he would leave to his successor as England under 19s manager. England were in qualifying for the European U19 Championship in France. They started with a 3-0 win over Israel, but then lost 0-2 to Sweden. Finally, they beat Georgia 5-0, but this wasn’t enough to finish top of their group and hence to qualify; Sweden won through instead. Croatia, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, and Turkey join Sweden and France in the competition. Armley plays two more games before his retirement: friendly matches against Serbia and Austria, coinciding with the senior team’s own fixtures against these teams in Euro 2032 qualifying. Brettney Joven calls it a day in July, so these fixtures are the last for her too.

    So both of our two highest-placed managers could win the title this year. One game remains in both Spain and Italy, and after that, it’s retirement for Lord Weeman. Wouldn’t a Scudetto be a nice way to say goodbye?

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     1st weeeman27bob         Lord Weeman         Napoli      Very Secure   8363
     2nd tomsmith1989         Tom Smith           Arsenal                   8227

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    Losing in a European final

    Winning a trophy

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    Update 271+5
    Years: 23, Months: 276, Days: 8388

    And here we come to the final update of 60 to One. It is currently June 14th 2011, 801 days after I started the sign-up thread. When we have managers staying at one club for ten times that, it doesn’t seem like that much, but 60 to One, at the time I write this, has been running for two years, two months, and ten days. I’ll compile a full list of statistics with the close of the thread, but I’m impressed with the longevity of a sign-up that suffered a few early knocks, given that it was originally a three-author piece. And now, we embark on the review of the final month with any of our managers at their original clubs.

    First, we’ll sum up things in Spain. Tom Smith’s Real Madrid won their match this month, 1-0 at James Salter’s Las Palmas, which means they win La Liga. That gives Smith a surprising double, and casts him immediately into the favour of his fans; the 63-year-old Portuguese manager is already listed on the club’s Favoured Personnel list. Neilio’s Zaragoza recovered their season and finish third, while dafuge’s Atlético Madrid’s title bid crumbled towards the end, as they dropped to sixth. Las Palmas finished 13th. Racing, Murcia, and Cádiz were relegated, to be replaced by Villarreal, Deportivo, and Real Sociedad.

    And now we come to Lord Weeman’s last game. Napoli hosted Vicenza, and had no difficulty overpowering their already-relegated opponents. Surprisingly, they only had a 1-0 lead at half time, given by a goal from Mattia Silvestri on the half hour. The lead was doubled by winger Matt Taylor in the second half, and that was all that was necessary for Weeman to haul the Scudetto for the third time. Cool Manager’s Inter did get the win at Udinese, with Serie A Player of the Season Ian Smith scoring the only goal. For Weeman, there aren’t many better ways to go out, and he leaves Napoli with one of the strongest squads they’ve ever had. Let’s review the career of a true great, and the champion of 60 to One, although numbers alone can’t convey the stability that the Englishman brought to Napoli in his 8388 days in charge.

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    Highest Fee Spent      £32.5M (Diego Gutiérrez#)
    Highest Fee Received   £28M (Davide Donadel#)
    Players Bought         124
    Players Sold           110
    Players Released       237
    Time at Napoli         8388 days
     
    Champions League wins  2 (2021, 2025)
    Serie A wins           3 (2012, 2027, 2031)
    Europa League wins     1 (2030)
    Coppa Italia wins      4 (2017, 2020, 2025, 2026)
    Italian Super Cup wins 3 (2012, 2026, 2027)
    UEFA Super Cup wins    3 (2021, 2025, 2030)
    Club World Chmp wins   2 (2021, 2025)
    Total Silverware       18
    Awards Won             14
     
    Matches Played         1171
    Matches Won            703
    Matches Drawn          241
    Matches Lost           227
    Goals Scored           2173 (1.9p/m)
    Goals Conceded         958 (0.8p/m)
    Goal Difference        +1215
     
    Manager of the Update 45 times
    In Stats Lists        147 times
    Tops Stats Lists      16 times
    Months as Most Secure 42 (from 271)
    Times Mentioned       2618
     
    Hall of Fame Points    400 (5 Major Trophies, 5 Minor Trophies)
    English Hall of Fame   4th (3rd Bryan McGuinness, 460; 5th Bobby Robson, 246)
    Italy Hall of Fame     Joint 4th (3rd Cool Manager, 500; 6th Nereo Rocco 380)
    Europe Hall of Fame    Joint 19th (18th Jürgen Bogs 418)
    World Hall of Fame     Not in Top 20
    We also said goodbye to Maz Armley this month, after the England under 19s boss retired from the game. Armley started at Racing, and managed Sevilla and Villarreal before returning to his homeland to take charge of Blackburn. He also managed Leeds during his tenure as England youth boss. Armley counts four pieces of silverware to his name; three European U19 Championships with England, and the 2026 FA Cup with Leeds. He finished his career with a 4-0 win over Serbia and a 5-1 victory over Austria. Next month, senior team manager Brettney Joven hangs up her boots, after spells with Wigan, Leeds, West Ham, and, of course, the Three Lions. She has won two titles; the 2015 Championship with the Hammers, and the 2025 Confederations Cup with England. She ended her career with a 2-0 win over Serbia, and a 3-0 win over Austria, putting England five points clear at the top of their Euro 2032 qualifying group, with three games remaining.

    Bruno Labbadia replaced Lord Weeman at Napoli. It’s his job to take them into the new era, the ceaseless future, while 60 to One fades away into the annals of history.

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    Superb stuff

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    Final Table
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    Rank Username             Manager             Club        Days
     1st weeeman27bob         Lord Weeman         Napoli      8388
     2nd tomsmith1989         Tom Smith           Arsenal     8227
     3rd Romanista1994        Lucas Volman        Real Madrid 6573
     4th PluckaDuck           Tyler Burrows       Udinese     6370
     5th Haowan               Haowan Madridstas   Barcelona   6224
     6th SCIAG                Leo Dodge           Tottenham   3800
     7th TaylorB              Ben Taylor          Fiorentina  3442
     8th fergysafc            Liam Ferguson       Man City    2783
     9th JSalter              James Salter        Reggina     2710
    10th mikeytwigge          Mikey Twigge        Palermo     2507
    11th BenArsenal           Ben Cee             Inter       2502
    12th super_lampard        Super Lampard       Lecce       2119
    13th Cardiovascular       Cardio Vascular     Genoa       2010
    14th Lower Leagues Rule   Jonte Rhodes        Lazio       1968
    15th hasdgfas             Tim Aubel           Fulham      1705
    16th ~Ian~                Bryan McGuinness    Everton     1701
    17th rancer890            Ricky Nakano        Middlesbro  1614
    18th ssestig              Theo Stigarakis     Catania     1405
    19th bermybhoy            bermybhoy           Atalanta    1320
       - IlikeJellybeans      Jellybean Man       Numancia    1320
    21st m1234566778          Maz Armley          Racing      1288
    22nd el sid               Cool Manager        At. Madrid  1263
    23rd spartans5            Lawrence Lazewski   Valencia    1259
    24th Greasy Chip Butty    Andy Morton         Sporting    1244
    25th Martin_              Martin Bojangles    Hull        1241
    26th clrkaitken           Clark Aitken        Roma        1237
    27th Waghlon              Lars Tommersen      Villarreal  1230
    28th Walcott’s Wonderkids Brucie Bonus        West Brom   1210
    29th Almondo              Arnold J. Rimmer    Bolton      1208
    30th Neji                 Neji Hyuuga         Deportivo    999
    31st Jack Rudd            Lisa Jeffries       Juventus     925
    32nd pnefc22              Wobill Luman        Betis        889
    33rd AtilasMiserly        Will de Mote        A.C. Milan   882
    34th JoeLatics            Joe Gleeson         Espanyol     873
       - Blanco               Cristobal Blanco    Recreativo   873
    36th ian_1982             Maurice Jobson      Man United   852
    37th Ridleys              James Ridley        Siena        843
    38th conners              Sirus Lannock       Málaga       628
    39th MikaelS              Mikael Schøler      Bologna      613
    40th Swafe                Saul Goode          Osasuna      551
    41st hamilton162          Tom Hamilton        Mallorca     509
    42nd kashmirshazad        Shazad Ali          Newcastle    508
    43rd DiscoStu94           Da Hoover Man       Sampdoria    501
       - ScottT!              Scott Tysoe         Sunderland   501
    45th canvey!!             Fréderico Canvey    Stoke        476
    46th corinthiano          Mathias Brunckhorst Chievo       327
       - Neilio               Neilio              Almería      327
    48th Robert_296           Robert Boyle        Blackburn    326
    49th brettney1980         Brettney Joven      Wigan        320
    50th TigerJoe             Joe Seddon          Getafe       271
    51st jack.browne          Jack Browne         Sevilla      250
    52nd NepentheZ            Neppo Monster       Cagliari     236
       - dafuge               dafuge              Torino       236
    54th KiddingChoc          Zach Machios        Portsmouth   235
       - Whoopy D             Whoopy D            West Ham     235
    56th d-machine            David Machine       Athletic     229
    57th PaulHartman71        Jeremy English      Liverpool    204
    58th Chimpos              Phill Ewles         Valladolid
       - tadr                 Andre da Conceiçao  Chelsea
       - markcator3006        Mark Cator          Aston Villa

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    Fantastic effort canvey!!
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    An absolutely amazing thread

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    Easily the best ran sign-up these forums have seen. Congratulations Canvey, and thanks so much for such brilliance to read!

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    11th. Not bad, not bad.

    Well done canvey.

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    ****ing hell, somehow lost the Serie A

    Superb sign up though canvey

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    Thanks all! A couple of rounding-up posts today and then I'll finish the thread tomorrow or shortly thereafter.

    The Aftermath


    At the end of the sign-up, only 20% of the original sixty managers remained in football. We’ll see how they ended their careers.

    60 to One runner-up Tom Smith was the first to retire, doing so in summer 2032. In his final season, he took Real Madrid to second in La Liga, and calls it a day after 8227 days at Arsenal and 531 at the Spanish club. He won 25 pieces of silverware, including nine Premier Leagues and one Champions League, and was given 48 awards. He managed 1424 matches in his career, winning 920 and scoring 2954 goals. Former Australia and Roma boss Jason Bowman replaced Smith at the Bernabéu.

    Journeyman manager dafuge was the next to call it a day, also in 2032. The former Torino, Charlton, Bolton, Besiktas, Everton, Hull, Portsmouth, Genoa, Palermo, Ajax, and Atlético Madrid boss waited 23 years to win his first silverware, when he lifted the Copa del Rey with Atlético. He finished fifth in his final season at the club. The 64-year-old retires with a solid command of English, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, and Turkish, and is replaced by Javier Manjarín at Atlético. James Salter was another Spanish-based former Portsmouth boss to retire in 2032. The 64-year-old started at Reggina, before moving on to Torino, Sporting, Stoke, Athletic, Murcia, Portsmouth, and Las Palmas. He never really got going in his career; his longest spell at any one club was 2710 days at Reggina, followed by 1080 at Las Palmas, where he is succeeded by assistant manager Ignacio González. Salter took Las Palmas to 11th in his final season in charge.

    Continuing in the theme of former bosses at Fratton Park, Ben Taylor also retired in summer 2032. The 67-year-old also managed Fiorentina, Parma, Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Besiktas, Lazio, and Celtic. With Fiorentina, he finished third in Serie A twice, and reached two Coppa Italia Finals. John Kennedy succeeds Taylor at Celtic Park.

    In July 2031, Martin Bojangles replaced Jürgen Klinsmann as the manager of Manchester City, despite having managed their rivals United earlier in his career. He spent £98M in his first transfer window, but led City to the Carling Cup with a 2-0 Final victory over Everton, and a second-placed finish in the Premier League in his first season in charge. They lifted the Carling Cup again in 2033, this time beating Sheffield Wednesday, won the Premier League, and completed a treble with victory over Tottenham in the FA Cup Final. City also reached the Champions League Final, where they lost to Inter. On this note, Bojangles hung up his boots, having managed Hull, Aston Villa, Man United, Tottenham, and City, in a successful England-based career. He counts twelve pieces of silverware in his cabinet, including that treble, and a Champions League with Spurs. Raúl replaces Bojangles at the City of Manchester Stadium.

    Theo Stigarakis also called time on his career in 2033. The nomadic manager replaced José Ángel Ziganda as Elche boss in summer 2031, and was also appointed as England under 19s manager. He took Elche to two fourth-placed finishes in his two years in charge. He counts Catania, Empoli, Athletic, Mallorca, Fiorentina, Portsmouth, Racing, Leicester, Rangers, Liverpool, Aston Villa, England under 19s, and Elche, among his former employers. At his thirteen teams, the 65-year-old won one item of silverware, when he lifted the LIGA adelante with Racing, but he did acquire Basque citizenship, and of course achieved those two high finishes with Elche. Carles Puyol succeeds him there.

    In his next season in charge, Cool Manager continued his success with Inter, taking them to another Scudetto, and another Coppa Italia, the latter with a 3-0 win over Napoli. He also took them to the Champions League Final. In 2033, Manager lifted his tenth league title with another Serie A win, and did the Double when they beat Man City 2-1 in the Champions League Final. Manager hauled the Club World Championship for the second time in December 2033, beating Grêmio in the Final in Nigeria, and following this, he managed his 1000th game at the club, beating Ascoli 1-0. He ended his career with another Scudetto win, but lost 16-17 in the 2034 Champions League Final after a 1-1 draw with Napoli. At the age of 64, the most successful manager in the history of the world counts 37 pieces of silverware in his repertoire; a Carling Cup, an FA Cup, two UEFA Super Cups, two Club World Championships, two Europa Leagues, two Champions League, six Italian Cups, ten Italian Super Cups, and a staggering eleven Serie A titles. He has played 1440 games and scored 2805 goals, and his tenure at Inter spanned 6980 days (19 years), which would have put him third in 60 to One. Aston Villa boss Markus Lenz replaced the legendary boss at Inter.

    Another Italian-based boss retired in 2034, as Udinese boss Super Lampard called time on his career at the age of 66. Lampard finished 7th, 10th, and 7th with Udinese in the last three seasons of his career, which has been long and exciting; the Englishman has managed Lecce, Bologna, Ipswich, Parma, Sampdoria, Newcastle, Leeds, Celtic, and Udinese. Lampard, always described as a Talented Manager, won one piece of silverware, the Coca-Cola Championship with Ipswich, but with Newcastle and Udinese, he has finished third in top flight football. Giulio Migliaccio succeeds him at Friuli.

    James Ridley finished fifth with Arsenal in his first full season in charge, and took them to the FA Cup Final, where they lost 0-3 to Chelsea. In December 2032, he jumped ship to Zaragoza, to be replaced by Frank Lampard. Ridley got a dream start to his Zaragoza tenure, taking them to a Club World Championship victory in Tunisia. He lifted La Liga with the Spanish Club in his first season, Ridley’s first top-flight win, and followed this up with a La Liga-Copa del Rey double the following season. In 2035, Ridley did another double, winning La Liga and beating Real Madrid 2-0 in the Champions League Final. After this, the 63-year-old retired, having spent his 27-year career at nine clubs in three countries: Siena, Crystal Palace, Sampdoria, Fulham, Lazio, Man United, Newcastle, Arsenal, and Zaragoza. Other than his eight trophies with Zaragoza (those above plus two Spanish Super Cups), Ridley lifted the Championship with Palace and the Europa League with Manchester United. He finishes as the 6th-best English manager of all time.

    In 2032, World Cup winning manager Neilio took Zaragoza to the La Liga title, and to the Champions League Final, where they beat Cool Manager’s Inter 1-0. Of course, he left in December, replacing Raúl at A.C. Milan, and James Ridley succeeded him. Neilio finished seventh in his first season in Milan, but won the Coppa Italia with a 1-0 win over Juventus. He then took the club to three consecutive fourth-placed finishes, before ending his career. During it, he has managed six clubs, and achieved the rare accolade of becoming Italy’s technical director as a foreigner. In his trophy cabinet are nine pieces of silverware: two Spanish Super Cups, an Italian Super Cup, a UEFA Super Cup, a Spanish Cup, a Coppa Italia, a La Liga, a Champions League, and, of course, a World Cup. Fréderico Canvey succeeded the fifth-most successful English manager ever at A.C. Milan.

    Phill Ewles took Aston Villa to tenth in the Premier League in 2032, but was sacked the following December with the club 15th, and was succeeded by Germany under 19s boss Markus Lenz. The following summer, he succeeded the retiring Bruno Labbadia at Napoli, and guided the club to a third-placed finish in Serie A, the Coppa Italia, and the Champions League in his first season in charge. In the latter, Napoli beat Cool Manager’s Inter Milan 17-16 on penalties. Ewles then lifted the Club World Championship in Kolkata, finished third in Serie A, and won the Coppa Italia again. In 2036, Ewles took Napoli to second in the league, before retiring at the age of 65. He has managed eight clubs in six countries during his career: Valladolid, Olympiakos, Besiktas, Roma, Celtic, Leeds, Aston Villa, and Napoli. He has won five cups, all with Napoli (those above plus a UEFA Super Cup), speaks English, Greek, Italian, Spanish, and Turkish, and has controlled over 700 games in his career. Alessandro Del Piero took the Napoli job.

    Brettney Joven was succeeded by Robert Boyle as England manager, and the former Valencia boss had some very successful years in charge of his national team. At Euro 2032, England lost 0-2 to eventual runners-up (to Italy) the Netherlands in the Quarter Finals, and they also lost in the Quarter Finals of the 2034 World Cup, which was also won by Italy (over France), 0-2 to Scotland. However, Boyle won silverware in 2036 when he guided the Three Lions to the Euro 2036 trophy with a 3-0 win over Turkey in Copenhagen. After qualifying second from a group containing Portugal, the Netherlands, and Israel, England beat Italy and Spain on their way to the Final. Nevertheless, Boyle was sacked by the FA, and succeeded by Frank Lampard. He hung up his boots the following year, at the age of 67, having managed Blackburn, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Udinese, Valencia, and the various England squads. His five pieces of silverware were all international: five European youth championships and Euro 2036, but he took Blackburn to the FA Cup Final in his first season, and has achieved league highs of fifth in Serie A, fourth in the Premier League, and second in La Liga, with Udinese, Newcastle, and Valencia respectively.

    My own creation Fréderico Canvey was the penultimate boss to retire. He took Newcastle to a third-placed finish in 2032, but they dropped to ninth in 2033. In November 2033, Canvey jumped ship to replace Frank Lampard at Arsenal, after Lampard was sacked with the Gunners 19th in the league and following defeat in the North London derby. Lampard went for the straight swap and took over at St James’ Park. Canvey’s Arsenal lost the 2034 Carling Cup Final to Man City on penalties after a goalless draw, and finished 12th in the Premier League, while his former side Newcastle finished fourth and reached the FA Cup Final. Canvey took them to fifth in 2035, but was sacked that winter after a group stage loss to AEK Athens in the Europa League, and with the club fifteenth. David Rincón succeeded him at Smith Arena. Canvey moved on to A.C. Milan, finished second in Serie A in 2037, and winning his first and final trophy with the club in 2038, when they beat Sampdoria 3-0 in the Coppa Italia Final. Canvey felt this a good time to retire, having spent time at seven clubs and one nation during his career, and having lifted three pieces of silverware: the Coca-Cola Championship with Everton, the Coppa Italia with A.C. Milan, and the European Championship with Spain. Canvey is also responsible for the world’s second-highest-ever transfer, when, as Arsenal boss, he signed Werder Bremen’s midfielder Will Blackmore for £56M. Former Japan boss Akira Mizuguchi took the A.C. Milan job.

    This left Mikael Schøler as the only manager remaining. He was sacked by Tottenham in October 2031 after a 1-4 defeat in the North London derby, and was succeeded by Luka Modric. He returned to Juventus in the summer of 2032, replacing retiring boss Pierluigi Casiraghi, and took them to second in Serie A and the Coppa Italia Final in his first season back at the club. In 2034, they finished fifth, but that summer, Schøler left again to succeed Jon Dahl Tomasson as Bayern Munich manager, when Tomasson left to take the Germany job. Ole Gunnar Solskjær succeeded Schøler at Delle Alpi. But sixteen months later, Schøler was back at Juventus when they sacked Solskjær, and was replaced at Bayern by Markus Babbel. He took them to third and another Coppa Italia Final, but was sacked in December 2036 after home defeat to Venezia in the Coppa Italia First Round. Schøler’s son Jakob retired at the age of 33 in 2037, having played for Juventus, Brøndby, Rimini, and Fenerbahçe. Schøler got his last job in football in November 2037, when he replaced Iker Casillas as Aston Villa boss, but he was sacked a year later, and replaced by Raúl. Schøler retired in July 2039 at the age of 65. He managed seven different clubs in four different countries, and hauled eleven pieces of silverware. He won 723 of his 1318 matches, and won the Spanish Super Cup, two Italian Super Cups, the LIGA adelante, two Coppa Italias, La Liga, two Serie As, and two Europa Leagues. He was the only one of our managers to father a son, and ends his career speaking English, German, Italian, Spanish, and, of course, Danish.

    He turns off the lights as he leaves.

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    Final Stats

    A few final stats for you to get your teeth into…

    Hall of Fame – England
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    Rank Manager             Club(s)               NAT Maj Min Score
     1st Alex Ferguson       Man United            SCO  14  10  700
     2nd Bob Paisley         Liverpool             ENG  10   1  560
     3rd Bryan McGuinness    Everton, Chelsea      ENG   7   6  460
     4th Tom Smith           Arsenal               POR  11   3  420
     5th Matt Busby          Man United            SCO   6   2  320
     6th Lawrence Lazewski   Chelsea, Man City     USA   4   4  300
     7th Herbert Chapman     Arsenal, Huddersfield ENG   5   2  240
       - Brian Clough        Derby, Nottm Forest   ENG   4   0  240
       - Alf Ramsey          England, Ipswich      ENG   2   0  240
    10th Kenny Dalglish      Blackburn, Liverpool  SCO   4   2  200
    Hall of Fame – Italy
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    Rank Manager             Club(s)               NAT Maj Min Score
     1st Cool Manager        Inter                 ENG  13   9  720
     2nd Marcello Lippi      Italy, Juventus       ITA   7   3  620
     3rd Giovanni Trappatoni Inter, Juventus       ITA  11   8  600
     4th Vittorio Pozzo      Italy                 ITA   2   0  400
       - Lord Weeman         Napoli                ENG   5   5  400
     6th Nereo Rocco         A.C. Milan            ITA   4   5  380
     7th Fabio Capello       A.C. Milan + 2 others ITA   9   0  320
       - Helenio Herrera     Inter, Roma           ARG   9   5  320
     9th Matteo Mazza        Italy                 ITA   3   1  280
       - Arrigo Sacchi       A.C. Milan            ITA   3   2  280
    Hall of Fame – Spain
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    Rank Manager             Club(s)               NAT Maj Min Score
     1st Haowan Madridstas   Barcelona             ESP  10   5  720
     2nd Lucas Volman        Real Madrid           ITA   9   6  660
     3rd Miguel Muñoz        Real Madrid           ESP  11   2  560
     4th Josep Guardiola     Atlético Madrid       ESP   5   8  420
     5th Raúl                Spain, Valencia       ESP   5   4  400
     6th José Villalonga     R. Madrid + 2 others  ESP   4   3  360
     7th Johan Cruijff       Barcelona             NED   5   5  300
     8th Vicente del Bosque  Real Madrid           ESP   4   1  280
     9th Helenio Herrera     At. Madrid, Barcelona ARG   9   5  260
    10th Luis Molowny        Real Madrid           ESP   3   4  240
    Hall of Fame – Europe
    Code:
    Rank Manager             Club(s)               NAT Maj Min Score
     1st Cool Manager        Inter + 2 others      ENG  13   9  820
     2nd Alex Ferguson       Aberdeen, Man United  SCO  14  10  817
     3rd Haowan Madridstas   Barcelona             ESP  10   5  720
     4th Giovanni Trappatoni Juventus + 4 others   ITA  11   8  705
     5th Lucas Volman        Real Madrid           ITA   9   6  660
     6th Raúl                Spain + 3 others      ESP   5   4  620
       - Marcello Lippi      Italy, Juventus       ITA   7   3  620
     8th Willie Maley        Celtic                SCO  19  15  583
     9th Helenio Herrera     Inter + 3 others      ARG   9   5  580
    10th Miguel Muñoz        Real Madrid           ESP  11   2  560
       - Bob Paisley         Liverpool             ENG  10   1  560
    12th Tom Smith           Arsenal, Real Madrid  POR  11   3  540
    13th Ottmar Hitzfeld     Bayern + 3 others     GER  10   6  538
    14th Udo Lattek          Bayern + 2 others     GER   9   5  521
    15th Bill Struth         Rangers               SCO  18  10  506
    16th Ernst Happel        Hamburg + 6 others    AUT  12   6  505
    17th Bryan McGuinness    Chelsea, Everton      ENG   7   6  460
    18th Josep Guardiola     At. Madrid            ESP   5   8  420
    19th Jürgen Bogs         Berliner FC Dynamo    GER  10   2  418
    20th Fabio Capello       A.C. Milan + 3 others ITA   9   0  400
    Other notables: Tim Aubel (United States, USA, 0, 2, 64) is 5th in United States HOF, 13th in North American HOF.

    Top 100 Most-Mentioned People
    These are people sorted by the number of times I’ve mentioned their whole names in updates. Tables aren’t included, but stats bursts are, including World Cup/European Championship previews.
    Code:
    Rank Person       Mentions   Rank Person        Mentions
     1st Tom Smith         476 * 51st Will de Mote        26 *
     2nd Lord Weeman       440 *    - Neji Hyuuga         26 *
     3rd Lucas Volman      348 * 53rd Jürgen Klinsmann    25
     4th Haowan Madridstas 328 * 54th Marco van Basten    23
     5th Tyler Burrows     326 * 55th John Fleck          22
     6th Ben Cee           221 * 56th Choco               21
     7th Cool Manager      215 *    - Henri Saivet        21
     8th Leo Dodge         206 *    - Mattia Silvestri    21
     9th Liam Ferguson     161 * 59th Raúl                20
    10th Bryan McGuinness  152 * 60th Da Hoover Man       19 *
    11th Ben Taylor        151 *    - Jozy Altidore       19
    12th Tim Aubel         133 *    - José César          19
    13th dafuge            131 * 63rd Cristobal Blanco    18 *
    14th Mikael Schøler    120 *    - Frank Lampard       18
    15th Lawrence Lazewski 118 * 65th Marquinhos          17
    16th Super Lampard     117 *    - Johan Andersson     17
    17th James Salter      114 *    - Hélder Trindade     17
    18th Robert Boyle      103 *    - Dan Shepherd        17
    19th Neilio             98 * 69th Adam Pepper         16
    20th Brettney Joven     97 *    - Emanuel Páez        16
       - Fréderico Canvey   97 * 71st Joe Gleeson         14 *
    22nd Maz Armley         96 *    - Nani                14
       - Theo Stigarakis    96 *    - Eduardo             14
    24th James Ridley       94 *    - Diogo               14
    25th Martin Bojangles   92 * 75th Sirus Lannock       13 *
    26th Lars Tommersen     87 *    - Emmanuel Adebayor   13
    27th Craig Robson       77      - Ryan Babel          13
    28th Mikey Twigge       76 *    - Moussa Sissoko      13
    29th Saul Goode         73 *    - Roberto Mancini     13
    30th Phill Ewles        65 *    - Craig Gordon        13
    31st Jellybean Man      61 * 81st Shazad Ali          12 *
    32nd Arnold J. Rimmer   60 *    - Joe Seddon          12 *
    33rd Clark Aitken       57 *    - Fernando Torres     12
    34th Jonte Rhodes       56 *    - Giuseppe Rossi      12
    35th Theo Walcott       47      - Klaas-Jan Huntelaar 12
    36th Cardio Vascular    46 *    - Luca Mattioli       12
    37th Ricky Nakano       42 *    - Iker Casillas       12
       - Scott Tysoe        42 * 88th Cristiano Ronaldo   11
    39th Andre da Conceiçao 40 *    - Lionel Messi        11
    40th Brucie Bonus       37 *    - Wayne Rooney        11
    41st Maurice Jobson     36 *    - Pim Verbeek         11
       - Lisa Jeffries      36 *    - Bojan               11
       - bermybhoy          36 *    - Iñigo Fraile        11
       - Neppo Monster      36 *    - Sofiane Feghouli    11
       - Rafa Benítez       36      - Stuart Pearce       11
    46th Mark Cator         30 *    - Vicente del Bosque  11
       - José Mourinho      30      - Juri Rigamonti      11
    48th Andy Morton        29 * 98th Zach Machios        10 *
    49th Jeremy English     28 *    - Arsène Wenger       10
    50th Wobill Luman       27 *    - 7 others            10

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    6th on the all time mentions list. I thought I was lower than that. Haha.

    Good stuff canvey.

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    Fantastic sign-up, canvey!

    3rd in mentions and final table.

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    Loads of clubs, loads of mentions and just one trophy to show for it

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    At the age of 64, the most successful manager in the history of the world counts 37 pieces of silverware in his repertoire; a Carling Cup, an FA Cup, two UEFA Super Cups, two Club World Championships, two Europa Leagues, two Champions League, six Italian Cups, ten Italian Super Cups, and a staggering eleven Serie A titles. He has played 1440 games and scored 2805 goals, and his tenure at Inter spanned 6980 days (19 years), which would have put him third in 60 to One.
    *Sheds tear*

    Bit harsh losing the 2034 final 16-17 on penalties though Fantastic career there, probably the best I've ever been on a sign up

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    60 to One

    And so we come to the end of what has been a very long sign-up. Let’s take a look back over the past two-and-a-half years and find out just how big 60 to One is, in numbers. Word counts etc. do not include this post, or any posts that you would not expect to be pre-prepared (e.g. notices that I’m going on holiday). Some of the early manager of the update lists are also not included. No updates by Ridleys, weeeman27bob, or mikeytwigge are included, nor is any of the draw information.

    27 days, 16 hours, 28 minutes plus of game time (39,868 minutes)

    2 years, 6 months, 8 days of real time (921 days)
    during which I have lived in four different properties

    9755 minutes of MS Word editing time (6 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes)

    485,768 words (12.5 x The Apprentice: Football Manager Edition; 7.4 x The Race for the Whitehouse; 8.1 x El Aprendiz: Tú eres despedidos!)

    2,376,240 characters without spaces

    701,176 spaces (almost as much as the characters without spaces of my past three works combined)

    66,528 lines

    31,300 paragraphs

    1,325 pages

    1,823 posts from 61 posters in the longest thread alone

    80,283 views of the longest thread alone

    Praise for 60 to One:

    ‘really well written and entertaining’
    dovEs

    ‘Great work keeping this going’
    Neji

    ‘a cracking sign-up’
    ScottT!

    ‘This has been phenomenal’
    ‘this has stood the test of time. Unbelievable work canvey!!’
    ‘Top work […] such dedication to a sign-up is remarkable’
    hamilton162

    ‘Well done canvey!! for keeping this up with consistently excellent reports’
    Cardiovascular

    ‘a pretty epic sign-up’
    el sid

    ‘a lot of good memories in this sign-up’
    ‘a brilliant sign-up […] only getting better’
    ‘you are a very, very good writer, canvey!! Both fictionally and factually, you are really informative’
    ‘simply amazing canvey!!, no other words to describe it’
    PluckaDuck

    ‘The update quality and regularity, the interest and fun of this sign-up are all still as fresh as day one! Great achievement’
    ‘This has been amazing’
    tomsmith1989

    ‘Your write-ups are always such a fantastic read, canvey!!, that I find myself sucked into them’
    ‘Easily one of the most compelling reads on CSE’
    Biscotti

    ‘one of the best sign-ups of all time’
    Lower Leagues Rule

    ‘Easily the best-ran sign-up these forums have seen. […] Thanks for so much brilliance to read’
    Dave.

    ~

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    weeeman27bob
    mikeytwigge
    Ridleys

    Terk
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    BenArsenal
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    el sid
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    All the other participants

    All those who posted in the thread and have been reading

    Wikipedia
    timeanddate.com
    Wolfram Alpha

    Sports Interactive


    My Sign-ups: A compendium
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    Year(s) Name                                     Winner       Runner-Up
       2008 The Apprentice: Football Manager Edition Robert_296   Mikel LUFC
    2008-09 The Race for the Whitehouse              NepentheZ    SCIAG
       2009 El Aprendiz: Tú eres Despedidos!         Whoopy D     hamilton162
    2009-11 60 to One                                weeeman27bob tomsmith1989
    2010-?? The Afrovision Managerial Contest         ??           ??

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    (I don't think there is a need for any other comment)

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    Bloody epic. I loved every minute of this.

    Fantastic job canvey.

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    Brilliant, the effort you've put into this is absolutely commendable canvey. Well played sir

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    The effort and commitment to this has been astonishing, amazing stuff

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