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    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide

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    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I usually convert about 90% of mine. Check whoever is taking them has high penalty taking and composure attributes at least.

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    Haven't missed yet this season! Had about 5

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    Pick a player with high composure and penalty taking stats. Perhaps his finishing influences it too. And I'll decide unlucky. I had a while where few penalties were scored, but then you'll have a while when lots of penalties are scored \o/.

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    why is it when you post a message everybody assumes your a moron and tells you what you already knew, of course i pick the best taker, and he/the ai still misses a stupid amount of penalties, maybe because im playing to 'direct'

    what a farce

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    Maybe because no-one else has this problem

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
    why is it when you post a message everybody assumes your a moron and tells you what you already knew, of course i pick the best taker, and he/the ai still misses a stupid amount of penalties, maybe because im playing to 'direct'

    what a farce </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It's probably because of posts like this that make posters on here assume everyone is a moron.

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    I actually do not specify penalty takers and oddly the best penalty takers are often the one's that miss - conversion is prob still about 80-90%. The AI seldom miss unless a shoot out.

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    My players score the vast majority of their penalties. I'd say your just unlucky.

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    I went through a spell where I missed about 5 in a row. It was not fun!

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    Wasn't this a problem when the game came out? Make sure you're patched up.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    This is hard to understand- even with a poor penalty taker you should be arounf 50% successful.

    You are either unlucky or are making a very poor choice of taker.

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    1 missed 1 out of 7 in the league with swansea, plus i won 2 cups on penalties and scored all 5 in both

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    Podolski didn't miss a PK for me in 7 years and then missed 4 in a row.

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    Have you downloaded and applied the 8.0.2 patch?
    There was a similar problem in the original game but this was rectified in the patch.

    Either your not patched up and it's your own fault, or you're somehow picking someone who's really bad at penalty taking, again making it your fault.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Just one more voice telling you you're paranoid. I miss maybe one in ten. Probably more when you factor in penalty shootouts, but I win 90% of those too.

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    ive yet to see one miss or be saved. for or against me.

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    wasnt it a bug in the earlier releases? Im sure there was a problem where you always missed a pen and your gk never dived? If a well known bug on the facebook group "all night football manager"

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    if your set-piece coach has high mentality ratings (motivating, man management etc.) your players composure/determination stats will increase as well as set-pieces. which penalties are.

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    ive lost every single penalty shootout. so frustrating. can bet my house if it goes to pens i lose. but actual in game penalties its about 80% conversion

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klimowicz:
    if your set-piece coach has high mentality ratings (motivating, man management etc.) your players composure/determination stats will increase as well as set-pieces. which penalties are. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    WHAT??, can you backup that statement with some pictures please ..

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
    20 odd in a row, all of them missed, unlucky or rubbish game coding, you decide </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    in 20 pens i usually miss about 3.
    tht doesn't include penalty shoot outs though.
    in penalty shoot outs it's probably about 5 missed for every 20.
    but that's because i have to rely on pllyaers who aren't necessarily good pen takers to take them

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joor:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klimowicz:
    if your set-piece coach has high mentality ratings (motivating, man management etc.) your players composure/determination stats will increase as well as set-pieces. which penalties are. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    WHAT??, can you backup that statement with some pictures please .. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    i thought it was obvious to everyone tbh... there is always a sharp increase of stats at the start of pre season training, but not usually during the season. the only stats that seem to increase are the mentality stats, and occasionally speed/acceleration.

    i can't really provide a screenshot since i'm a few games into the season and nobody is really improving, but ever since i added motivating/level of discipline/man management to the search filter when replacing coaches, i've always noticed a positive affect. in 4 seasons, nobody has had a goal drought or a poor run of form. van der vaart was the best at pens/fks anyway, but i can only remember him missing 2 pens in 4 years. i had walcott take a vital pen last season, he had 12 for pens but 14 for composure, and smashed it it.

    btw, i only have one training schedule for the whole team. that way, pat rice's influence can be felt by all.

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    I have a bunch of lousy penalty takers, so miss a fair few. It's in the stats.

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    i suggested using some who can take them

    Mycurrent man city game in 2012/2013 season and havent missed yet

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    Ummm I have my GK taking my penalties and he doesn't miss, so I think this may be a bit of a bug...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by manc101:
    i suggested using some who can take them

    Mycurrent man city game in 2012/2013 season and havent missed yet </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I don't believe you.

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    the last pen i missed was in a game where i scored 3/4 pens... and lost on pens. that was 2008/09, and i think van der vaart hasn't missed since. don't get many pens anyway.

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    Used to miss loads of penalties because I don't sign players because of good set peice skills, so I had noone in my team with good penalty skils.

    Now I happen to have a first teamr who's good at them, and we've gotten much better.

    I think hidden stats play a role too, so if the person with high stats isn't scoring them, let someone with worse stats have a go.

    It's not like you're oing to be losing out by changing about with that record.

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    Genuine_quality, you're getting good advice here, so its on you if you're ignoring it.

    Its not just the Penalties attribute that plays in: Morale, Composure, Technique, Finishing and the hidden "Consistency" and "Big Game" attributes all play a role, as do simple age/experience and confidence. A 34-year-old with 10 for Penalties but excellence in those other attributes is going to "handle the pressure" much better than a 20-year-old with 20 for Penalties but poor attributes elsewhere.

    If you're suffering from the typical "Millions of chances, tough to convert" problem, your strikers' confidence may be very low by the time a penalty occurs .. if that's the case, a midfielder or defender might be a better choice for you (as his confidence won't be wrecked).

    I've got a special training session which emphasizes set pieces and composure, which I put my free kick taker, penalty taker, and corner taker on, regardless of their other position.

    Johno: regarding penalty shootouts, for crucial Cup games which might go to penalties I will actually shift a number of players to that routine a week or two in advance. I also make sure that my substitutions as the match progresses improve my penalty-taking instead of hurting it; I've even brought on penalty specialists at the 105th minute or so.

    I also adjust my penalty-taker lineup so that the veterans with amazing composure take first, fourth, and fifth .. and for sixth and seventh I rely almost exclusively on composure. The younger, high-penalty, low-composure players I try to get in second and third, where theoretically there is less pressure on them so their lack of composure is less of a liability.

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    if your player has a high penalty attribute, then he is good at penalties, not only good when its sunny or when hes had an ice lolly, if sigames wanted the game to be ambigious, were the players attributes were completely dependent on how happy the players were then they have made a mistake, if a player has 20 for penalties then thats it, hes the best at penalties, if he had a low composure then he wouldnt have 20 for penalties, its paradoxical and totally irrational

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
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    if your player has a high penalty attribute, then he is good at penalties, not only good when its sunny or when hes had an ice lolly, if sigames wanted the game to be ambigious, were the players attributes were completely dependent on how happy the players were then they have made a mistake, if a player has 20 for penalties then thats it, hes the best at penalties, if he had a low composure then he wouldnt have 20 for penalties, its paradoxical and totally irrational </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No it's not. I'll use a theoretical example to explain. I could be the best penalty taker in the world in my back garden - they could go top corner 9/10 times. However, I have low composure, so put me infront of 70,000 booing/cheering fans in the 90th minute of a cup final my chances of scoring are reduced heavily.

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    Genuine_quality - whether its irrational or not, its the way that the game is done.

    This shows up in every aspect of the game.

    I used to play the game purely on the physical and technical, ignoring mental attributes; that seemed to work back in the day .. Lately I've done tons better since I started putting a heavy reliance on mental attributes: I try to have Anticipation, Composure, Decisions, Determination, Team Work, and Work Rate throughout the entire side, and my teams seem to play much better.

    Just in case it was my tactic or my training that had gotten better, I tried a game recently where I "went back to the old way" and we were massively inconsistent, sometimes winning big, and sometimes crumbling .. usually in the biggest games.

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    Personally i think that the penalty stat should be removed. I think it should be a product of finishing, composure, decisions etc and the actual stat should be left for the user to find. Thus letting them figure out that mental stats are important.

    As it stands, quality's statment shows that it can be missleading.

    That said, it's never going to happen. I can only wish...

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    Using rule of four (the way people exagerate.. usually fourfold), he missed 5 in a row, which is just bad luck, and his annoyed so it seems like 20.

    Probably. I've no problem. Most go in, occasional miss but it happens.

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    My players likes to miss important penalties. When there's like a few minutes left to go, they'll fluff it, but if we're winning, they'll add to the score sheet.

    It happens. Goal keepers get lucky sometimes. And morale could play a part of it too. If a player as low morale, he may not care too much.

    Not sure if that's true, someone could correct me on that.

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