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    I never thought this would happen but.... I think I've reached a pretty sad point in my life. After years of playing this game, I think I've just plain grown out of it. If not, then I've majorly lost interest. Every time my mind turns to it, I think "no, thanks". I find the game bores me, I find it makes me very grumpy and I find I can't get it to ever do what I want it to do.

    It's strange, really. I won't be ranting or anything because I like to try and avoid that kind of thing. But... it's gotten to the point where I actually question myself when I play the game. I ask myself why I'm bothering and what I get from it. Plus, I hate starting new games at this time of year. Too much has happened in real life now and I just can't go back to July 2008.

    I don't like feeling this way because I used to enjoy the game so much. But it's so repetitive now. It's been repetitive for years. Click, click, click. Process, process, process. Read one dull, uninteresting, unrealistic message. If I'm managing Alfreton Town, why are the media behaving exactly as they would if I was managing Man Utd?

    That last paragraph probably sounds a bit ranty. I explicitly tried to avoid that! I guess I just had to share my feelings. The pleasure has slipped away. I admit that bad results have played their part. Why... why can't the game be a little easier? Yeah, I know there are other management games. But they don't have FM's database.

    I actually feel really frustrated that, instead of using what little time I have to play FM playing it, I'm spending it trying to think of a way to get through this feeling. Falling out of love with the game is just a huge, crushing disappointment.

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    Default Re: I haven't played FM in ages

    I get this every so often, but then I decide to start a new save and i'm hooked again!

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    I tried starting a new save. I just felt instantly irritable as soon as the game loaded up. It was July 2008, which I hate. But I also hate holidaying forward. So, so frustrated.

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    Fm is really frustrating mate, i know exactly where your coming from

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    I just don't like the person that FM turns me into. I never used to have this problem, but I cannot play the game and not feel frustrated, bitter, irritable and sometimes downright angry.

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    I too have been trying to awaken my keen interest in fm, new game after new game, nothing seems to re-kindle my interest.I also do not want thid to sound like a rant, there are many success stories on FM this year, I believe I have a sound knowledge of football, tactics, etc, however I can't get much to work for me (I await a cocky comment of someone know questioning my abilities).

    It's a sad state of affairs as i love the game more than it likes me.

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    I feel what you say here it does P!$$ me of alot of the time they should do what Fifa Manager 09 have:Funner Features like managers life, youth camps and make your own stadium if you want just things to spice it up again

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    I agree 100%. The "magic" is missing for me. I have hardly touched this game in weeks. I do not want to start a new game as i find ALL the messing about too much. I started a long game (like i always do with a new FM) and keep the same game going thru all patches released, as i like to see my team in 25 yrs time. But it seems that FM is only made for "new" starts. Everybody seems to get poorer in the future, players you would NOT look twice at in 2009 are your best players in 2025.
    Sad to say, it's just not that fun. Whatever that was changed (from my fave FM07) please take a deeper look and try to put the fun bk in. I know that there are fanboys who will disagree with me but this is MY opinion! To be quite honest, im looking forward to the new Champ Manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 221.214.213.37 View Post
    I feel what you say here it does P!$$ me of alot of the time they should do what Fifa Manager 09 have:Funner Features like managers life, youth camps and make your own stadium if you want just things to spice it up again
    Well, I have to say, I totally disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skingegg View Post
    I agree 100%. The "magic" is missing for me. I have hardly touched this game in weeks. I do not want to start a new game as i find ALL the messing about too much. I started a long game (like i always do with a new FM) and keep the same game going thru all patches released, as i like to see my team in 25 yrs time. But it seems that FM is only made for "new" starts. Everybody seems to get poorer in the future, players you would NOT look twice at in 2009 are your best players in 2025.
    Sad to say, it's just not that fun. Whatever that was changed (from my fave FM07) please take a deeper look and try to put the fun bk in. I know that there are fanboys who will disagree with me but this is MY opinion! To be quite honest, im looking forward to the new Champ Manager.
    I'm sorry Mr. skingegg, but you can't call people "fanboys" just because the happen to disagree with you. Plenty of people will disagree with you and yet still have criticisms of their own about the game.

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    Oh well thats just my opinion as Fifa Manager has recently won me over a bit

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    When you have no game in progress it can be hard to start a new game, i for one struggled when my game of 5 season's went corupt on me..

    i think if you set your self a new challenge with a new team once you get a season into it you will enoy it again, it's hard starting a new game because of the perfection needed.

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    I feel its cus they keep changing the match engine,,since 07 came out the game has never felt consistent,,,i buy the game, start playing, realise its got lots of bugs in, wait for the patch, install patch, start again, realise that some of the bugs have been fixed however not the main bugs and now my tactics dont work, so wait for the next patch, install the new patch, start again, realise not all the bugs have been fixed and the new tactics ive just changed now dont work.

    How am i supposed to get a full long consistent game going with all these stop starts with new patches,,FM06 was never this bad neither the championship managers that preceded this game. Ive been dissapionted with FM since the 07 series and so far they keep getting worse imo.

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    Mike7077: "I don't like feeling this way because I used to enjoy the game so much. But it's so repetitive now. It's been repetitive for years. Click, click, click. Process, process, process. Read one dull, uninteresting, unrealistic message. If I'm managing Alfreton Town, why are the media behaving exactly as they would if I was managing Man Utd?"


    I completely agree with you.

    I feel I know the game to well. I'm not saying I'm a FM genius, I just feel there's not much left to explore. I could try to start a new game with a new team, but in a few minutes I know what to do. I know which mentality to give, how much of creative freedom etc.
    I don't win completely everything, but what I really want to win, I win.

    These forums also ruin the game for me. I want to find all talents and massive improved players on my own. On FM2010 I will not be updating a thread about new talents, so that I could see who will be the next great on the game. I will do it on my own.

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    Just tried to continue an old save game. Guess what? I'm now in a foul mood. I guess I have to give up on this game. I mean, I get into a bad mood before I even start playing because I know that I'm just not gonna get what I want from the game. If the game can't give me what I want, surely my only choice is to accept that it's not for me anymore and leave it behind. I'm not arrogant enough to bother with a rant about how I want it to be because the game isn't made exclusively for me. I just don't see how anyone can find this game fun. I mean, it's incredibly dull. If the there was actually some sort of proper fuss when you achieve something, maybe it would liven it up a bit. But there never is. You just plough on into the future, clicking and clicking, processing and processing.

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    A mixture of boredom, new database and boredom, has forced me to tolerate/like the latest incarnation of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    It's been repetitive for years. Click, click, click. Process, process, process. Read one dull, uninteresting, unrealistic message. If I'm managing Alfreton Town, why are the media behaving exactly as they would if I was managing Man Utd?
    this sentance describes what I feel about the game perfectly. I can't get into it for years also, could live with all the things that bother me if I felt some excitment and pleasure playing the game like 10 years ago...

    I guess we passed it but still haven't moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrithral View Post
    A mixture of boredom, new database and boredom, has forced me to tolerate/like the latest incarnation of the game.
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
    I know that FM09 isn't as good as i'd hoped and I am fed up with the series, but boredom has forced my hand and I find myself returning to it, time and again. I don't like it, I just tolerate it, if CM09 was to shock us all and be half decent, i'd happily ditch FM, which is something i'd never have considered this time last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrithral View Post
    I know that FM09 isn't as good as i'd hoped and I am fed up with the series, but boredom has forced my hand and I find myself returning to it, time and again. I don't like it, I just tolerate it, if CM09 was to shock us all and be half decent, i'd happily ditch FM, which is something i'd never have considered this time last year.
    I always expect (how stupid of me) that the next FM will bring something 'really new', maybe just a new feeling about it. I'm defenetly trying the CM demo when it comes out but don't expect too much..

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    I think my problem is that, for the first time in my life, my leisure time is at a premium. I don't have a great deal of free time. When I have free time, I want to sit down and be made to feel the way CM 97/98 made me feel when I was 12 or 13. But FM doesn't allow that. It's an all-consuming experience, and one that I defended regularly for a while. But I've come to realise that, for those of us with very little time on our hands, the game asks too much. Personally, I don't need to get a sense of being rewarded from a computer game. I'd be perfectly happy to load the game up and stroll to success. I don't have the time to pursue success through micro-management of tactics. I just can't face that. But FM09 seems to demand that of you.

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    ^^
    Pretty much sums up how I feel about huge chunks of the game, I find myself sitting rolling my eyes constantly as yet another boring highlight appears. It feels like effort to watch the match, it seems to take too long to play a match, clickity, click, clickity click. I don't want to set opposition instructions every bloomin game, I don't want to go through the motions of press conferences in the hope that my team don't end up hating me, I just want to sit back, relax and spend my free time having fun with a fun game.

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    I think I'm getting the feeling you are getting. I'm playing the LLM way on FM09 which definately makes it more interesting for me, but after doing 40 seasons, after a few promotions, a few relegations, some glory, some obscurity, some national jobs, some championships, some trohies, some mediocrity, I feel that there is nothing left for me to do. Should I take over a club that's just been promoted to the BSS? What's the point? Should I take over a team challenging for the EPL? What's the point? Maybe I'll build a team of young English stars, but the game won't realise my achievement, it will just be me. That used to be enough for me, just pleasing myself, but not at the moment. Maybe in future I'll get the urge to go back on it, maybe get the passion back. I hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    I'm sorry Mr. skingegg, but you can't call people "fanboys" just because the happen to disagree with you. Plenty of people will disagree with you and yet still have criticisms of their own about the game.
    Actually, i can!! As it is MY opinion about how I, me, personally (as in NO ONE ELSE), feel about the game, you cannot change my mind about how i feel. You appear to have looked at my post but not read it.... But its OK, i forgive you, nice guy that i am

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    Well, there's not much point in debating with someone who refuses to have their mind changed.

    But anyway, my point was that it is unfair to brand anyone who disagrees with you a "fanboy".

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    You're just getting old.

    It happens - people get old and they play golf with three-quarter swings or take up lawn bowling. Video games are for young people and if it's no fun it's because you're too old. No shame in that whatsoever.

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    Well that's not true because plenty of people older than me continue to enjoy a number of different video games. The need to be entertained and the need for escapism doesn't go away as you get older. Indeed, a complex game like FM has always seemed more geared to older people.

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    Yes but each person is an individual and the chances are these older people would be new to video games. You have been playing this game for years and maybe your mind needs a fresh challenge. Sure I could introduce this game to a pensioner and he/she could have a lot of fun for a while but eventually boredom would set in. And that applies to the whole concept of video games - they do become boring after a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickballz View Post
    You're just getting old.

    It happens - people get old and they play golf with three-quarter swings or take up lawn bowling. Video games are for young people and if it's no fun it's because you're too old. No shame in that whatsoever.
    What a pathetic post. That is completly ridiculous.

    Video games are for young people just as knives and graffiting is, yeah? Just because some people find that, it doesn't mean everyone does.

    I get very annoyed when people automatically assume that, just because I am only 15, I should be out kicking cats and killing grannies. Not everyone is like this, few people, infact.

    So why, when someone starts to get older (and 24 isn't old btw) should they stop playing something?

    Your post above is one of the ridiculous I've seen on the forum in a long time.

    Stereo typing ftl :mad:

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    What a pathetic post. That is completly ridiculous.

    Video games are for young people just as knives and graffiting is, yeah? Just because some people find that, it doesn't mean everyone does.

    I get very annoyed when people automatically assume that, just because I am only 15, I should be out kicking cats and killing grannies. Not everyone is like this, few people, infact.

    So why, when someone starts to get older (and 24 isn't old btw) should they stop playing something?

    Your post above is one of the ridiculous I've seen on the forum in a long time.

    Stereo typing ftl :mad:
    Atually my post was meant to be ironic but since you are only 15 I can forgive you for missing the irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickballz View Post
    Atually my post was meant to be ironic but since you are only 15 I can forgive you for missing the irony.
    I'm assuming that that is meant to be ironic, or sarcastic, again. Either that or you really are a bit of a knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickballz View Post
    Atually my post was meant to be ironic but since you are only 15 I can forgive you for missing the irony.
    Is this post meant to be ironic as well seeing that you're stereotyping against 15 year olds?

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    Hmm...but I'm not.

    How exactly am I stereotyping? because I suggested he may have missed the irony?

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    OK video games are for everybody to enjoy if they want to. my dad's 50 in 2 weeks and still plays games on the PS3 as he relaxs while playing them. Also kickballz the way your post comes across is stereotyping 15 yr olds. You may not have meant it too but it does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickballz View Post
    Hmm...but I'm not.

    How exactly am I stereotyping? because I suggested he may have missed the irony?
    Well, by saying that you'll forgive him just because he's 15 suggests that you think all 15 year olds aren't as smart as yourself.

    Anyway, I'm willing to drop this in case the thread is derailed even further.

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    hi i need help!
    at the start of the game two boxes come up in bottom right the corner
    how do you get rid of the one that stays there? because mine is just blank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan4spurs View Post
    hi i need help!
    at the start of the game two boxes come up in bottom right the corner
    how do you get rid of the one that stays there? because mine is just blank
    Got a screenie? I don't really understand what you mean tbh.

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    it could be the steam thingie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    Well that's not true because plenty of people older than me continue to enjoy a number of different video games. The need to be entertained and the need for escapism doesn't go away as you get older. Indeed, a complex game like FM has always seemed more geared to older people.
    Have you had a look in the challenges thread? I really believe that may rekindle your interest. Also if it is the micro management that is a problem then there is good news as fm10 will have a new tactics wizard which by all accounts is something to look forward too! http://blogs.sega.com/fml/2009/03/18...ms-frameworks/
    don't give up just yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    I'm assuming that that is meant to be ironic, or sarcastic, again. Either that or you really are a bit of a knob.
    It was neither ironic nor sarcastic but whether I'm a 'knob' remains subjective. I merely gave you the benefit of the doubt after you misinterpreted my post. To clarify, I have nothing against young (or old) people and if you think I do (based on one post) then it is because you have inferred a meaning other than what I intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan4spurs View Post
    hi i need help!
    at the start of the game two boxes come up in bottom right the corner
    how do you get rid of the one that stays there? because mine is just blank
    Have a look at this thread & see if it solves your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmufcwafc View Post
    Well, by saying that you'll forgive him just because he's 15 suggests that you think all 15 year olds aren't as smart as yourself.

    Anyway, I'm willing to drop this in case the thread is derailed even further.
    Not at all, I never suggested that I thought 15 years olds were not smart. Look at his reply (and the one after) and you can see why I responded as I did. I merely was giving him the benefit of the doubt for what was clearly a misinterpretation of my post.

    Some people seriously need to lighten up around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan4spurs View Post
    hi i need help!
    at the start of the game two boxes come up in bottom right the corner
    how do you get rid of the one that stays there? because mine is just blank
    You using steam?

    Go into steam settings and untick the 'enable steam community'

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    I kinda felt like that some weeks ago. Couldnt get into FM 09'

    Started a game in lower german divisions, played with just comments, loving it right now.

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    Default Re: I haven't played FM in ages

    to the OP: maybe its your tactics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    What a pathetic post. That is completly ridiculous.

    Video games are for young people just as knives and graffiting is, yeah? Just because some people find that, it doesn't mean everyone does.

    I get very annoyed when people automatically assume that, just because I am only 15, I should be out kicking cats and killing grannies. Not everyone is like this, few people, infact.

    So why, when someone starts to get older (and 24 isn't old btw) should they stop playing something?

    Your post above is one of the ridiculous I've seen on the forum in a long time.

    Stereo typing ftl :mad:
    Actually when you get older you gain responsibilities. Housing costs, working 14 hours a day, wife, kids etc. I myself used to play this game everyday (its previous incarnations) but now i have some of the aforementioned things in my life i simply do not and can not play this game anymore. You will understand for yourself how much life takes out of your gaming time no matter how much of a nerd or geek you may be. Only the hard core geeks still play games all the time when they hit around 23+

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    Totally agree with the OP - becuase FM is so slow and TIME CONSUMING, everytime I now play, I feel like, whats the point? Its going to take me hours or end to complete a season and then Ill probably get bored of it, meaning ive just wasted 10 hours of my life. Im 17 and feel like ive pretty much grown out of it - on everyone one of the series from cm 01/02 to now, Ive taken my team, Carlisle United to the prem on all of them. On this game Ive yet to be bothered to take them out of League One.

    If I was back aged 14 or something with all the time in the world I would probably be playing FM all the time, becuase back then Time wasnt an issue, but now, its just a waste of what little spare time I have. Ive now found myself going back to Cm 01/02, as I can play that whilst doing other things and have a good un, an impossible feat on FM.

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    You know, up until about a week or two ago I thought the same, I really didn't fancy playing FM at all, possibly ever again after the shambles that was 08. But then a friend of mine bought 09 and I started talking about it with him, giving him advice, and I thought 'what the hell' and bought FM09. It's been one of the most unexpectedly refreshing and rewarding things I've done for a while. I feel that while this game is far from easy, a little effort and more concentration and attention to detail can help you a lot, and make this very engaging.

    I started off on CM3 and 00/01, which were challenging but somewhat simplistic and raw, which was good. Now it's more complicated, however I decided to have a proper go at a game this time round, and I've done training myself for the first time since 00/01 lol, I've picked a league which I would not normally play in (Portuguese 2nd Div) and a team which I honestly had not heard of, and I'm loving it.

    I'm just about to start a the third season, I've done OK in the first couple, I've just brought in a few new players, and I'm raring to go and after promotion hopefully.

    FM 09 has been a great, pleasant surprise for me! I'm 19 by the way and first played CM/FM when I was 11. When you get older, I think you just need maybe a different way of approaching something. I used to want the game to be easy. I tried playing FM08 as I did CM3 and did decidedly averagely. But now I'm relishing the challenge of competing in a very close league on a shoestring budget. I'm actually seeing my players improve, i'm still fairly poor with tactics, but it's good stuff and just as addictive as when I fired up 00/01 for the first time back in 2000.
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    Well, I have played it recently, having not done so for some weeks. I have to say that as far as 09 and all the patches go, steady improvements have been the name of the game. Slowly but surely the annoyingness is being removed. I can score regularly, my best striker story was adbayor with 41 in 52 appearances, injuries are under control, and if you don't buy massive players every window the league can be hard work.

    However.

    The only way to make this game interesting enough to make me want to play it regularly again is by fixing the tactics, and the repetitiveness.

    Players have to have more plain common sense. Conceding corners from the center circle? 'Clearing' a ball into the middle of the field, to opp. attackers? From the CORNER FLAG? it is just simple simple stuff that you can't control.

    For all the complicated fiddling with (worthwhile?) sliders and matching player's styles I still can't tell my players to JUST PLAY FOOTBALL. Like how I play football. Graft, composure, common sense.

    It must be fixable. Please let it be fixable...

    My humble fm2010 requests: Less money. Less sliders. More player talk options (in game and attribute related, eg Walcott "work on your headers son"). Coaching sessions.

    Despite the big patch improvements, '09 is Chelsea under Mourinho. Solid but soulless.

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    My first FM was 07, and obviously not a tactical genius, I could get my players to do what I wanted (more or less) and get realistic results with the players I had. Same with 08. And no, I didn't know how to exploit the ME back then

    09 is just impossible for me to get tactically, and I almost dread the thought of fiddling for hours. As abu said, less sliders, easier football related talk. Take it down to Sunday League (read understandable language), e.g "Put some more crosses in!" "Use the wings more!" "Pass it around a bit."

    Much simpler than "Right then, simple easy game, lets keep it to; passing: 11, width: 9, mentality: 15, tempo: 15. Lets do it lads, easy win!"

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    Mike sounds he's suffering the classic symptoms of an addict. I know; I'm an FM addict too. Over the years there have been many times that I've been angry with the game for affecting my personal life and job, I've been bored, I've been frustrated, I've deleted all the files, put it away for months at a time .... and yet I always come back.

    By the way, to the 17-year-old who's grown out of FM - I'm 47, young whipper-snapper!

    Sometimes it's due to my circumstances changing and finding more free time or a tolerant partner; sometimes it's my craving or a new edition of the game - mostly a mix of the lot. But I always come back. My guess is that Mike will leave it a few weeks then return with zest to his real true love.
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    There is really nothing wrong with moving on in life, not that playing FM, or in general computer games, is merely a generic phase in one's life that is dictated by age. But as lawsie already mentioned, as you grow older, you generally get saddled with more responsibilities and depending on your personal situation, you may or may not have the luxury to spend your limited recreation time as freely as you had used to.

    If due to whatever reasons, you find you do not have enough time or even the inclination to spend your limited recreation time to play the same game you have been playing the past five or ten years, just stop playing. Perhaps you need a new game to inspire you, or perhaps you need to fully stop playing computer games and find inspiration elsewhere, be it sports, your career, your family, or just something else.

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    I do empathise with you Mike, i really do.

    Its all the in game tweaking that is necessary now that is ruining this game for me. Dont get me wrong, i dont want an easy game, but how am i supposed to enjoy having to make such tweaks when i dont really know what i'm doing?

    Its basically all guess work, so even if i do get it right there is no sense of achievement because i dont even know why it worked?

    I've still pretty much managed to overachieve despite all this, but i still feel like i'm playing blind? If i had some idea of what i was doing right/wrong then i could probably enjoy the game a lot more, but i'm just plodding along practically clueless?

    The idea of the Tactical Wizard to be introduced into FM2010 sounds great initially, but i'm yet to envisage how this will help me understand how/when to make those in game tweaks and to understand WHY its working, rather than just accepting that it works?

    Another massive frustration is that just when you are starting to get to grips with certain parts of the game, a new patch is introduced that very much puts you back to square one.

    It feels like the last 2 or 3 versions of the game that SI have been concentrating on ridding the game of "Super Tactics", which again is actually a good thing, although initially all this really meant was that you would witness dozens of games a season where you have 30 shots to the AI's 1 shot and lose 0-1. As well as that, we pretty much lost the arrows(barrows, farrows etc) as apparently this took advantage of weaknesses in the ME?

    Thing was, nobody was trying to take advantage of anything, they were simply trying to find the best mix of instructions possible allowed by the tactical set up? if things continue in this vein, it wont be too long before we are all having to set up our tactics in identical fashion?

    At the end of the day however frustrating it may be, as crazy as it may sound to some, you really cannot blame SI. They are still producing a game that is meeting all its sales targets and whilst it continues to do so, there is really no pressure on them to do things differently?

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    I must admit I have never fully understood the obsession which SI appears to have with getting rid of 'super tactics'. Why do they want to do it?

    I honestly cannot see that it matters in the slightest if it is possible to produce a tactic which 'breaks the ME'. If somebody wants to play the game which he/she has bought in that way why shouldn't they? Nobody is compelled to use such a tactic any more than anyone is forced to save the game before each match and replay if the result doesn't suit. Some people do this, I am sure, and, again, why on earth shouldn't they if that's how they want to play? Nobody appears to think that the whole FM experience is ruined by this saving possibility so why should a 'super tactic' ruin the game either? 'Serious' FM players wouldn't use such a tactic anyway so where's the damage?

    If someone could explain what is so terrible about somebody 'taking advantage' in this way I'd be very interested. As things stand, I just can't see why it's viewed as a problem at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaksydeak View Post
    to the OP: maybe its your tactics?
    This message really annoys me and it's getting boring. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone said ' It's you tactics' in your thread which you need help in?

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    Lots of interesting posts in here, coupled with a little squabbling! But that's General Discussion for you.

    Anyway, I loaded the game up before bed last night and, as I said in a previous post, felt the familiar feelings of frustration as I watched my Inverness CT team lose 1-0 at Motherwell despite being far the better side (not a criticism of the game because this kind of thing happens). However, I took a step back and decided to be positive and see the plus-points of the performance. Next game, beat Rangers 2-1 playing a very similar way, which actually felt great. I won't say it instantly cured all my problems, but it was nice to find out that the game can still put a smile on my face. What was especially pleasing was feeling like I could actually see why we beat Rangers and what it was about our approach to the game that got us such a good result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaksydeak View Post
    to the OP: maybe its your tactics?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazzydeepy View Post
    This message really annoys me and it's getting boring. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone said ' It's you tactics' in your thread which you need help in?
    Yeah, that post did annoy me a little, but not in the obvious way. I know the guy was just kidding around, but there's nothing more annoying than when you see the same joke repeated for the 1,000 time!

    Anyway, seeing as I haven't always got the time to dedicate to my tactics, it probably is my tactics, to some degree at least.

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    I've also lost interest and have looked through the CSE forum and can't find anything that I like.
    I need to get back into this game for the holidays:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike7077 View Post
    Yeah, that post did annoy me a little, but not in the obvious way. I know the guy was just kidding around, but there's nothing more annoying than when you see the same joke repeated for the 1,000 time!

    Anyway, seeing as I haven't always got the time to dedicate to my tactics, it probably is my tactics, to some degree at least.
    You know, I have seen that joke at least a hundred times on this forum, and I am still chuckling at it. I guess my sense of humor is extremely high or that I laugh at everything. Heh. I guess I do. I think the main thing is because FM09 is not a game that lets you win easily as long as you follow steps 1, 2 and 3. I mean I had 2 games that exactly describes this well. Let's all admit, we play to win. If we lose, 95% of the players here will have a petulant rant about everything but in essence we are saying "I WANT TO WIN, AND YOUR STUPID GAME IS NOT LETTING ME WIN!"

    First match: Newcastle Home match. I was 1-10 favorite. I have 25 shots, 2/3 of them are on target. Score? 1-1.

    Second match: Arsenal Away match. I was 9/4. I have less shots, less possession, and somehow manage to escape with a 2-1 score due to a change of tactics at half time.

    Frustrating? Sure. I guess it's part of the game. Imagine the amount of anger a real life manager gets when that happens ^^

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    If we lose, 95% of the players here will have a petulant rant about everything but in essence we are saying "I WANT TO WIN, AND YOUR STUPID GAME IS NOT LETTING ME WIN!"
    Losing fair and square is okay , defeat is part of football and i don't see why would anyone play a game where losing is out of the deal but losing when you are clearly the best = EPIC FAIL and this goes to any game .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazzydeepy View Post
    This message really annoys me and it's getting boring. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone said ' It's you tactics' in your thread which you need help in?
    agreed, it's wasn't funny the first time and it's not the 1000th time, it's moronic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistofelis View Post
    Losing fair and square is okay , defeat is part of football and i don't see why would anyone play a game where losing is out of the deal but losing when you are clearly the best = EPIC FAIL and this goes to any game .
    But isn't that pretty much the beauty of football (and sports in general)? Anything can happen, that's sort of the point of playing the game in the first place.

    As for the OP, I'm finding myself in pretty much the same position although I hate to admit it. The complex nature of the game is not something I am opposed to (I'm 32, by the way), but since the parameters of success on the pitch are now so numerous, we really need better analytical tools to utilise them. The way it stands right now, tweaking can get you success, but to a certain extent I often find myself unsure as to exactly what it is I am doing, even when I occasionally watch the full match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bananas View Post
    But isn't that pretty much the beauty of football (and sports in general)? Anything can happen, that's sort of the point of playing the game in the first place.
    The luck factor do play some role in many games but developers are trying to keep it's impact to a minimum , this is not the case with FM .
    I am still having fm07 running minimised in my home computer playing 1-2 matches at afternoon while talking to phone or smoking before switching to something more appealing.

    I think the OP needs to play some more action oriented games , try mount & blade , it is combat only and involves a lot of mouse + keyboard action.

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    same here..........I used to be obsessed with every version of fm....
    but then...I just reealize that I havn't touch my fm09 for more than 3 months....
    god...I used to be those people who keep checking on forum for the new patch come out. But for this time, I had just get on and download it yesterday,since the patch came out for more that months.....
    whats the problem?
    Am I getting older who losing interest on this game?....thats sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawsie View Post
    Actually when you get older you gain responsibilities. Housing costs, working 14 hours a day, wife, kids etc. I myself used to play this game everyday (its previous incarnations) but now i have some of the aforementioned things in my life i simply do not and can not play this game anymore. You will understand for yourself how much life takes out of your gaming time no matter how much of a nerd or geek you may be. Only the hard core geeks still play games all the time when they hit around 23+
    Not having time to play games is completely different to not wanting to play them.

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    well ok then. AS i have aged, my need and want to play games has diminshed too then. Good enough?

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    There is an easy fix. Download FML.
    I fell out of love with FM 09 as well, but when I downloaded FML my life forever changed for the worse....because I am obsessed with the game.

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    Played it, stopped payments. I did not like that game at all. Its football manager live right? Not football manager against AI? which is exactly what it was for me... i went through a season playing just 1 human player. Nice online game.

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    The OP, who, conveniently, appears to be about the same age as me, has done a good job of describing my feelings about the game. I did wonder, like him, whether it might be age-related, except I have a very clear sense of when my addiction to the game began to diminish, and it is highly coincidental: when the match engine was first implemented. I was hooked on CM (as it was then) for as long as it was text only, and have found the whole experience rather awkward and less enjoyable since then. Maybe the match engine should not take all the shame; much the same can be said for FM's yawnsome media element, which, on its current setting, will continue to be tedious for many years to come. I noticed, a couple of days ago, that the CM website (Yes, I visited the CM website!) was offering a free download of CM 01/02; I'm very tempted to relive what remains, in my view, the best game in the series.

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    I'm actually quite sad because this will be the first negative message regarding FM that I have ever posted. However, after reading Mike7077's opening post, I felt I had to reply, because I have been having the same feelings about FM over the last month or so.

    A couple of weeks ago, I got so frustrated with FM09 that I just decided to stop playing entirely for a while to get some perspective. So I immediately cut it out of my life and stopped playing altogether. During this time, I have found very little to bring me back to FM09.

    My frustrations aren’t down to a lack of success or a failure in the game as I have had some good success in FM09 with a simple approach. But I am so tired of the tactical interface and so fed up with trying to translate tactical ideas into an FM tactic. It can just be so dull and laborious and, usually for me, it involves watching quite a few matches in ‘full match’ mode and tweaking in order to see if I am getting the desired effects. It just takes up too much time and it is time that I just don’t have at this point in my life.

    Like Mike7077, I’m not trying to rant. I've even been accused of being a 'fanboy' before. I have loved this game for so long. But I’ve lost a lot of pleasure in the game this year. I can’t work out exactly where it has all gone wrong for me. I just feel that it takes an enormous effort to pick up and play sometimes. I don’t want to make that kind of effort for a game which is essentially supposed to be a leisure activity for those spare hours in the evenings or over the weekends. I guess I get frustrated because you can’t just load up FM and play for half-an-hour. Or at least I can’t anyway. It all seems to take so long.

    Today, for the first time in two weeks, I got the urge to start up FM09. I thought about starting a new save but I realised that I would need a spare two hours to get started. Even then, I would barely have played a game during pre-season.

    I just wonder if I have reached a point in my life where perhaps it is time to call it a day?

    Click, click, process, process. Nothing changes. Everything is exactly the same.

    I feel exactly like you Mike. I ask myself, why am I bothering with this? What am I getting from this? Wouldn’t I rather read a book or listen to some music?

    Just like you Mike, the game also makes me grumpy. I’m grumpy because I feel like I ought to be enjoying it more. I feel totally fed up and frustrated because I can't enjoy it.

    I have a theory about this. I believe that we are in love with the actual idea of football management. A simulation of it should be great, right? You can reflect your ideas about how the game should be played in your tactics. You can get your favourite player to score lots of goals or perform really well. Should you play 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 etc.? You might even win the odd trophy!

    Then we are faced with the reality. Click, click. Tweak, tweak. More forward runs? Lower mentality? Oh no, I’ve been playing for an hour and I’ve only managed to play one match.

    That’s why I get grumpy with the game anyway. I just don’t have the time for it all and I don’t have the energy to put into it when I feel like I get so little in return.

    I'm not sure how much of this is the game's fault or how much of it is my fault. I mean, the database is amazing and I'm not sure there is a better management game out there. Is there? I don't know anymore.

    In the last two weeks, when I have taken some time out from playing, I haven’t felt angry or annoyed and I have enjoyed my leisure time. I have missed the dream of being a football manager though. Today, I was really hankering after starting a new game and building a team with my preferred tactical style and approach. Then I thought of setting the training, playing around with mentality notches and how long it would all take, and I really couldn’t be bothered. But I do miss it so much.

    I don’t know where I go from here. Whether I will pick up FM09 in a few weeks time and all will be forgiven, I can't say. In truth though, I really can’t stand the idea of loading it up at the moment. That’s the sad truth. I’m glad, in a way, to find that I’m not the only one who feels this way.

    C.

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    I wonder if it is FM09 that has made us feel this way though?

    Without wishing to sound like I am ranting, I find some aspects of 09 very frustrating and dull.

    The press conferences, for instance, are just about the most repetitive and annoying new ‘feature’ in 09. They are such a waste of time. I haven’t really found out how to make them work to my advantage. It seems that roughly the ‘safe’ answers each time are the best bet. The player reactions are poor, with no real information apart from a ‘positive’ or ‘negative’ reaction. There seems to be no reason or rhyme to them really. To perfect them or even to get the idea of what they mean would take ages testing each option and even then, I’m not sure how much fun you could get out of it. I much preferred the media in 08.

    Don’t even get me started on some of the stuff that really annoys me on FM09. The constant takeovers are one of them. Team Bath, the University team currently in BSS, have been taken over by a consortium from France in my game! They are now stupidly rich, have Paul Merson as manager and have signed a Championship rated striker for 500k. This is in Blue Square South for goodness sake!

    I’m four seasons in and at least half of the teams in Blue Square South have ditched their entire playing squad and are now made up of players who my scouts say are at least good enough for League 2. Then there is the feeder club issue, where teams in the BSS end up having top quality players on loan from Premier League or Championship clubs, which just does not happen in real life. As a researcher for a BSS club, this is really frustrating, because I rate the players realistically and most of them won't even get into the first team after a year.

    Going back to the press conferences, things like that just generally add to the ‘plodding along’ nature of FM09. It just seems to be so much slower (and I have a decent laptop as well). The match day 3D experience takes such a long time. I’m not even sure I like the new match view or the whole way it is setup. I actually don’t even think I really like the 3D view either. Matches seem to take so much longer to get going.

    I was thinking about this last night and I actually loaded up FM08 to have a quick look at it. Everything seemed so much more responsive. Last year, I genuinely had fun in FM08. True, there were some of the same frustrations, but it was very playable and kept me coming back for more.

    Even though I would really like a Football Manager fix this weekend, I just can’t bring myself to load up FM09. Is it just my own apathy and lack of interest or has FM09 finally turned me off?

    C.
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    I also feel the same way sometimes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crouchaldinho View Post
    I wonder if it is FM09 that has made us feel this way though?

    Without wishing to sound like I am ranting, I find some aspects of 09 very frustrating and dull.

    The press conferences, for instance, are just about the most repetitive and annoying new ‘feature’ in 09. They are such a waste of time. I haven’t really found out how to make them work to my advantage. It seems that roughly the ‘safe’ answers each time are the best bet. The player reactions are poor, with no real information apart from a ‘positive’ or ‘negative’ reaction. There seems to be no reason or rhyme to them really. To perfect them or even to get the idea of what they mean would take ages testing each option and even then, I’m not sure how much fun you could get out of it. I much preferred the media in 08.

    Don’t even get me started on some of the stuff that really annoys me on FM09. The constant takeovers are one of them. Team Bath, the University team currently in BSS, have been taken over by a consortium from France in my game! They are now stupidly rich, have Paul Merson as manager and have signed a Championship rated striker for 500k. This is in Blue Square South for goodness sake!

    I’m four seasons in and at least half of the teams in Blue Square South have ditched their entire playing squad and are now made up of players who my scouts say are at least good enough for League 2. Then there is the feeder club issue, where teams in the BSS end up having top quality players on loan from Premier League or Championship clubs, which just does not happen in real life. As a researcher for a BSS club, this is really frustrating, because I rate the players realistically and most of them won't even get into the first team after a year.

    Going back to the press conferences, things like that just generally add to the ‘plodding along’ nature of FM09. It just seems to be so much slower (and I have a decent laptop as well). The match day 3D experience takes such a long time. I’m not even sure I like the new match view or the whole way it is setup. I actually don’t even think I really like the 3D view either. Matches seem to take so much longer to get going.

    I was thinking about this last night and I actually loaded up FM08 to have a quick look at it. Everything seemed so much more responsive. Last year, I genuinely had fun in FM08. True, there were some of the same frustrations, but it was very playable and kept me coming back for more.

    Even though I would really like a Football Manager fix this weekend, I just can’t bring myself to load up FM09. Is it just my own apathy and lack of interest or has FM09 finally turned me off?

    C.
    I think this mood of frustration in you all is mainly due to critical bugs in the game and dumb repetitive nature, especially of media and press. I hope FM10 will be realistic, fun, and less time consuming. So you all get hooked to it again.

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    All games are repetitive if you play them for 100's of hours. Also FM is a bunch of spreadsheets, you make of it what you want. Only if you fool yourself into caring about a team or players will you enjoy the game, otherwise your just their for the win and if you don't win you get angry and bored.
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    Very interesting post and given at the ripe old age (well not that old), of 35, I msut say that I feel the same way in some respects. I too have a lot more responsibilities in life that must come before my gaming (not just FM), though I do still spend possibly too much time gaming overall.

    The killer for me recently was perhaps the frustration of losing a superb save that I was enjoying greatly and had been posting about in detail in the T&T forum. That particular save was to be my long term save and I don't know if I can bring myself to start another long term save. I am a big Man Utd fan, but I always end up getting bored after a couple of seasons winning everything and prefer more of a challenge.

    Now this might sound like I'm bragging, but believe me I'm not, but I'm perhaps very fortunate that I've always been able to produce good tactics for myself and have shared them on the forums from time to time. Obviously how others do with them is another matter, but for myself, I've never had any issues there.

    I love the depth of FM and actually do like the growing involvement. I would agree that there's points such as the media interaction which get repetitive and tiresome after a while and perhaps think that SI are trying to get too far ahead of themselves by when they feel they must implement plenty of new features with each release. One problem is that the AI technology just isn't available to trully make the game as interactive as I'm sure SI would really like. That's understandable of course, because they have to create something new that encourages people to buy each release. If each release was just the same as the previous, but just had an updated database, I doubt it would be enough to get them the sales figures they enjoy each year. That said though, having tried other management sims on occasion, nothing has beaten the FM series in my opinion.

    Recently I have been playing a variety of other games. This last week has been spent playing GTA IV, as I've always enjoyed the series. Although I enjoyed the game, I felt that it was a lot shorter than I expected and have completed it already. I've also borrowed (and already completed) Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway from my dad, who's 59 and has probably played every FPS that's out there! The game that I'm most eagerly anticipating (as is my dad), is the next Operation Flashpoint shooter. I've read that the AI will knock the socks of anything we've seen before, so "repetitive" is something that won't apply.

    I probably will start another FM save, with Granada CF in the Segunda B4 and see how far I can take them. It's a good challenge to see if I can guide a provincial Spanish club to competing with the might of Barça and Real Madrid. It's just I don't feel the pull to do so at the moment.

    Perhaps I too have seen this coming. I didn't buy FM09 until February this year. Normally I've had the previous releases within a week or two of release, but this year it was a combination of factors that made me wait. I decided that I would wait until at least a couple of patches were available and I was also happily playing a very long term game with FM08. Although I probably will inevitably buy FM10 at some point, there's still a little doubt in my mind as to if I will or not and keep playing FM09 when I feel inclined to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phnompenhandy View Post
    Mike sounds he's suffering the classic symptoms of an addict. I know; I'm an FM addict too. Over the years there have been many times that I've been angry with the game for affecting my personal life and job, I've been bored, I've been frustrated, I've deleted all the files, put it away for months at a time .... and yet I always come back.

    By the way, to the 17-year-old who's grown out of FM - I'm 47, young whipper-snapper!

    Sometimes it's due to my circumstances changing and finding more free time or a tolerant partner; sometimes it's my craving or a new edition of the game - mostly a mix of the lot. But I always come back. My guess is that Mike will leave it a few weeks then return with zest to his real true love.
    You are my hero, andy!

    What annoys me here is people assuming that others will grow out of games when they hit their mid 20s. Remember that the current generation are growing up with games becoming a legitimate form of entetainment as well as a form of narrative (like a film or novel), as opposed to perhaps the late 70s where games were only something 'kids' would play at an arcade. For previous generations, sure they may have grown out of those games, but for the current generation where games have a far greater depth, target audience, etc who's to say that they need to 'grow out of it'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sthptngomad76 View Post
    You are my hero, andy!

    What annoys me here is people assuming that others will grow out of games when they hit their mid 20s. Remember that the current generation are growing up with games becoming a legitimate form of entetainment as well as a form of narrative (like a film or novel), as opposed to perhaps the late 70s where games were only something 'kids' would play at an arcade. For previous generations, sure they may have grown out of those games, but for the current generation where games have a far greater depth, target audience, etc who's to say that they need to 'grow out of it'?
    The point many have made isn't so much that they grow out of games. The point being made by many people is that they previously played this series a lot but now they don't have the same amount of time to invest in it because they have more responsibilities whether it is career, family, children etc. I seriously doubt anyone would actually be bothering to post on this forum if they had genuinely 'grown out of it'.

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    I don't have the oppotunity to get bored as mine hasn't been working for the last 6 weeks and I hope cm09 is good as there customer support will be a lot more helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne\'o View Post
    When you have no game in progress it can be hard to start a new game, i for one struggled when my game of 5 season's went corupt on me..

    i think if you set your self a new challenge with a new team once you get a season into it you will enoy it again, it's hard starting a new game because of the perfection needed.
    And you lose all your managerial stats
    I was tempted to go back to FM 2008 as i've realised my laptop can't handle the more powerful FM 2009 plus no 3D Graphics.I think you should be able to save your managerial stats so you can use on new games instead of starting from scratch (theres just no motivation to do so)
    And has anyone found when u play the game for the 1st time in a few days,you seem to win a game or two?! (is that the games way of getting u hooked again??)

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    I was like that, decided o set up a new game and got beat away at Boro!! Just managed not to turn it off though!

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    A big BOOOOOOOOOOOO to fm09

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    I try to motivate myself also to get back to the game, and get that special feeling I got in the "old days", when the game was more fun. I think that the complicated tactics system and tons of features that are only cosmetic and anoyingly repetitive ruined the game.

    I too hope that the new CM will be something that we all ask from SI for years to be done in the FM. Or at least to chalenge this game, so Sega/SI get the message we are trying to send them.

    FM is showing it's signs of slow extinction, there's time for this to be changed, but... it remains to be seen.

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    Well, I’ve really tried to give FM09 a go again this afternoon.

    I got going on a new game with Liverpool, just to get back into it and to give it a chance again. It is only meant to be a short-term mess around to get me hooked so that I can start a new long-term game.

    I turned off the 3D as I’m fed up with how long it takes to play a game and how it looks. I went back to 2D classic. Much better.

    I turned off press conferences, as I am sick of them. The trouble is, my assistant took them over and his answers sometimes seem bizarre. I mean, why tell the press that he thinks Manchester United are going to win the title? He upset the whole squad.

    Anyway, I started getting really into it. Simple tactics that were working well. Team gelling issues plus half the squad didn’t like me as I was ‘unproven’. Nice challenging start to the season. 2D classic looking great. I was enjoying myself.

    Then, I started to get grumpy and annoyed with the game again. It’s not because I’m doing poorly either, so nobody can say, ‘it’s your tactics’. I’m winning games, top of the league, playing decent football most of the time. Unlike many people, I have found the tactical side ok, mostly just implementing the same simple ideas I used in FM08.

    Anyway, I now know what I don’t like about FM09. It’s the whole media and team talks business.

    For a start, press conferences are a step back from FM08. So repetitive and dull. Even if you get your assistant to do them, he will sometimes give ridiculous answers and upset the players. All you get is a line in the player profile along the lines of ‘reacted negatively to comments in the media’. I’m sure in 08, there was more info, something that made it seem slightly more interesting. At the moment, press conferences just feel like some awful multiple choice game where you either get it right or wrong. There is no complexity there. It’s a 1 or a 0.

    Then there is the team talks, which have somewhat baffled me on this version. On FM08, I thought the team talks were fairly logical. On 09, things seem far more sensitive and I don’t think the assistant feedback is good enough. Admittedly, this is my fault in a way because this is my main weakness in the game. But I’m just frustrated that I can’t seem to pick the ‘logical’ option. ‘You can win this game’ doesn’t seem to mean the same thing in the game as it does to me, for instance. Asking the assistant is a pointless exercise, given that he says 'for the fans!' every time for some reason.

    I hate that everything takes so much time on FM09. So, I begin to ask the question, why am I playing FM09 at all? I mean, I don’t like the 3D, I hate the press conferences and I’m fed up of the team talks. That’s pretty much all of the new features for FM09!

    Maybe I should just go back to FM08?

    But there are two great things about FM09 – the new database and the match engine. If I could have both in FM08, I would be happy.

    I’m left wondering what to do. I need my FM fix but I’m left really wound up by FM09.

    Anyone else feeling this way about FM09? Any ideas how to enjoy it and not let it frustrate me again?

    C.

    P.S. Apologies if this sounds too much like one big rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupal View Post
    I must admit I have never fully understood the obsession which SI appears to have with getting rid of 'super tactics'. Why do they want to do it?

    I honestly cannot see that it matters in the slightest if it is possible to produce a tactic which 'breaks the ME'. If somebody wants to play the game which he/she has bought in that way why shouldn't they? Nobody is compelled to use such a tactic any more than anyone is forced to save the game before each match and replay if the result doesn't suit. Some people do this, I am sure, and, again, why on earth shouldn't they if that's how they want to play? Nobody appears to think that the whole FM experience is ruined by this saving possibility so why should a 'super tactic' ruin the game either? 'Serious' FM players wouldn't use such a tactic anyway so where's the damage?

    If someone could explain what is so terrible about somebody 'taking advantage' in this way I'd be very interested. As things stand, I just can't see why it's viewed as a problem at all.
    I have to say that I totally agree with this post.

    Some people want the game to be a constant battle between you and the AI, with them alays matching you or finding a way to keep things difficult, and some still want to find a way to beat the AI and play that way. Why is there not room for both?

    The first group has won by the looks of things and there is little room for those who want to play the game in a way where they try and 'beat' the game. I see no benifit at all from eradicating the so called 'super tactics'. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying '09 now, and wouldn't exploit such tactics anyway, but I struggle to see why so much time is used trying to get rid of these 'weaknesses'.

    And to Mike and Crouchy, I know exactly how you feel. It took me a long time to get into FM09. I've started to enjoy it a fair bit now, but don't play it anywhere near as much as I have in the past. And for me it's all down to time. Someone already hit the nail on the head, I think it was Crouchaldinho with his excellent posts, everything takes so long in FM09. For me that's the biggest issue. I've just finished my 4th season with Sunderland and I'm at about 23 June. It's already taken about 3 hours since I last played a match just to process through the summer and read and respond to certain news items. I know it will probably take most of a day to now get through the start of the new season and through the pre-season matches, and for that reason I'm struggling to go back to the game.

    I think FM08 was on the edge for me, it played just quickly enough for me to get enjoyment out of it even though I only played a couple of hours a night. FM09 has tipped things just over that edge and my couple of hours a night now just isn't long enough to enjoy it. It takes so long to do anything that by the time I've sat down and played through a week of game time it's time to stop playing. So for that reason I just can't get any momentum going, which is waht would get me into the game. Now, for me anyway, the experience is disjointed.
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    I also thought I would link this thread from Jimbokav:

    http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=116970

    Another older player who seems to be struggling to get into this years version of the game.

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    With regards to the 'obsession... with getting rid of super-tactics':

    I don't think Paul C and co. are thinking 'right, we must eliminate super tactics', they're just striving to create a more intelligent, realistic AI that adapts its tactics for certain matches and in-game situations. There's nothing wrong with that, surely?

    If you have a single one-off tactic that constantly produces over-achievement across the whole season, then that to me suggests that something's wrong with either the AI, the match engine, or the tactical system itself. The abnormal success of super-tactics can highlight areas of weakness, but generally SI are just tuning those three things to create a more realistic experience.

    As has been discussed elsewhere, the current tactics UI is pretty awful at allowing the user to set up basic frameworks and tweak them before/during games, but that's being worked on through FML beta testing and is almsot certainly going to mean an overhaul in FM10.

    On the arrows:

    The arrows were removed, not just because they gave the user a big advantage over the AI (who couldn't possibly come up with the range of options that the user could - the same argument for not including detailed set-piece editors), but more importantly because they were totally unrealistic. Footballers don't move in the way that they did with the arrows, with complete disregard to whatever was happening around them. Their removal was a step forward for the match engine, without doubt - what was lost in terms of lateral movement sounds like it will be re-introduced in some format (individual width sliders, cut inside options, etc) for FM10.

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    I had these feelings with FM08 a lot, but with 09 it has gotten better.

    Yet, yesterday night I played my game for the first time in two weeks and shut it down bored after 30 minutes.

    Although being not young anymore, I'm sure that I'm not too old for playing FM - I keep thinking about it and possible challenges all the time. I think it's the game and the direction in which it has developed.

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    i once thought this way about 09 myself. but ive recently come back to it and cant for the life of me think why i left in the first place!

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