Will many people switch to playing Live when it comes out or will they stick to FM2008?

**Fitzer2007** · 10-01-2008 05:25

I personally don't think I will play the new live version, I prefer playing my own games, just wondering were many considering buying it?

**Fitzer2007** · 10-01-2008 05:25

I personally don't think I will play the new live version, I prefer playing my own games, just wondering were many considering buying it?

**Fire Bracelet** · 10-01-2008 05:26

Not me.

**postal postie** · 10-01-2008 05:27

i personally haven't even looked at live. nothing to do with whether i think it'll be good or not. just that i prefer to do things in my own way in my own time. and to do that i prefer to play the normal boxed game.

**Fitzer2007** · 10-01-2008 05:29

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i personally haven't even looked at live. nothing to do with whether i think it'll be good or not. just that i prefer to do things in my own way in my own time. and to do that i prefer to play the normal boxed game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll probably be the same, it would have been great about 5,6 years ago when I had a lot more spare time!

**Gary_neville_is_a_red** · 10-01-2008 05:31

I haven't made my mind up yet, probably decide when its released.

**Dappen** · 10-01-2008 05:35

Probably not, can't really see I'll have the time or enjoy it as much as the normal game.

**Neji** · 10-01-2008 05:37

Not forme. I'm not into the whole 'buy a game then get charged to play it' thing.

**supersaint** · 10-01-2008 05:43

I never seem get the same feeling for online/network games as for the normal games.

So Ill stick to the good, old boxed version.

PW · 10-01-2008 05:51

FM Live doesn't appeal to me as I like playing my own game in my own way. My only concern with it is that it will take valuable resources away from FM 2009+ and that the boxed game will be the poorer partner of the two schemes. Hope that doesn't happen.

**Skunner** · 10-01-2008 05:58

Not really my thing.

The problem with online games is the people who play them. They're always full of idiots who find bugs and exploit them to their advantage, and use hacking tools to give themselves some advantage.

And i'm really sure that sort of thing would happen in the Live game. People like that just can't play a game and accept losing, and it ruins the fun.

**Fitzer2007** · 10-01-2008 06:02

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">FM Live doesn't appeal to me as I like playing my own game in my own way. My only concern with it is that it will take valuable resources away from FM 2009+ and that the boxed game will be the poorer partner of the two schemes. Hope that doesn't happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with that totally, it would make you worry.They do have 2 teams working on both games, but I hope Live dosen't take away from FM2009. There is still so much potential!

**This field intentionally left blank** · 10-01-2008 06:09

No interest in FM Live what-so-ever.

**Alurny** · 10-01-2008 06:14

Not for me either I don't think..

**Wakers** · 10-01-2008 06:22

No interest in FML either if it has the same match engine as FM08.

**Ter** · 10-01-2008 06:52

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I personally don't think I will play the new live version, I prefer playing my own games, just wondering were many considering buying it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You do play your own games in FM Live against another human opponent. Each match has a resolution date when it has to be played by and before that you can play the opponents AI team or the match will be auto resolved if no-one plays it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">FM Live doesn't appeal to me as I like playing my own game in my own way. My only concern with it is that it will take valuable resources away from FM 2009+ and that the boxed game will be the poorer partner of the two schemes. Hope that doesn't happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FM Live doesn't take any resources away from the FM project

**fishbone56** · 10-01-2008 06:57

I agree it would have been great idea when i was a student with LOADS of time on my hands, but i prefer to play at my own pace now.

**Skunner** · 10-01-2008 07:14

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ter:
[QUOTE]I personally don't think I will play the new live version, I prefer playing my own games, just wondering were many considering buying it?

You do play your own games in FM Live against another human opponent. Each match has a resolution date when it has to be played by and before that you can play the opponents AI team or the match will be auto resolved if no-one plays it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, putting it that way, I may have a go at it.

But If I may ask, do you have any plans for bug exploiting, cheating, editors and all that? That's my main concern with games is people will find ways to cheat and constantly win. Just find it interesting on what the plans for that may be.

**Leftie247** · 10-01-2008 07:36

Assuming there is a North American release, I will give it a shot. I don't think that the game will be as time intensive as some people are predicting. If it's anything like some of the other online management games out there, you will be able to get by with checking on your team every couple of days or so.

Leftie

**trekman** · 10-01-2008 07:43

I won't be playing it either. Never have played online type games before and don't plan to start now. They just don't appeal to me. Sorry SI.

**clonabanjo** · 10-01-2008 07:48

Ill play both FM Live to Pwn Noobs and FM 2008 to Pwn Noob AI.

**Ungface** · 10-01-2008 07:49

I will be playing both. Im already creating my Catenaccio tactic for online use.

**Bongo-Bongo** · 10-01-2008 07:49

FM Live doesn't interest me in the slightest TBH. Online gaming has never really appealed to me very much.

**something less annoying** · 10-01-2008 08:02

Not remotely interested in FM Live

**zeke** · 10-01-2008 08:08

Hattrick will have to do. I have been a member there since 2002.

So, No FML. Takes too much time.

**Kriss** · 10-01-2008 08:09

Playing both, FML is too different to bear direct comparison with FM.

We've had every cheat and exploit tried you could think of, that's the purpose of beta.
Preventives go in place pretty quickly.

FML is a blast, everyone should try it before making up their minds imo.

**Tommo_Got_Booted!** · 10-01-2008 08:12

I'm afraid I shall not be bothering with FM Live either. Like others when I was a student i maight have considered it but not so much now.

**Fantazm** · 10-01-2008 08:38

No interest. In fact I don't know why I even responded to this thread.....

**Ov Collyer** · 10-01-2008 09:47

Haven't posted in here for donkey's years (deep breath, here goes!)

God - what a depressing thread!

I do hope some of you guys at least give it a go before you write it off as something you wouldn't be interested in

It reminds me of when we made the very first CM back in 1992 - people were just as wary of something new/being done a little differently then too. "What's the strange program with numbers and bright colours filling the screen?" "What do you mean you can't even see the action!"

Well...I'm certainly glad we stuck with that one!

PS would like to quash something that keeps cropping up. The development of FML has absolutely zero impact on the development on FM2008! I stopped working on FM years ago, and the rest of the FML team are either new chaps who've joined more recently and one guy who worked on EHM (Graeme, for those in the know). If anything, the fact we're using the same ME in FML is helping tune it for FM too.

**Jon French** · 10-01-2008 09:57

Sorry I wont be playing either. I have done a bit of online gaming for the first time ever on my Xbox 360 this year and it really isnt much fun. It tends to be the people that inhabit online gaming worlds that ruin these things, as has been mentioned above. You can already see posts on here about people trying to develope 'killer tactics' for FM live and things like that just dont interest me. I like to play the game in my own inept way but take satisfaction from achieving stuff without cheating. I feel this would be impossible in FM live.

Personally Ive always thought of CM/FM as more of a solitary pursuit (just as i love getting all the boys round for a Pro Evo night).

**T-Bag** · 10-01-2008 09:58

i'd imagine I will play both.

I registered for the beta when it first became available but never heard anything

I will definitely give it a go to see what it is like. I hope there is plans for some kind of free trial when it's finally released

I'm quite excited by it despite not really knowing much about it.

**llama3** · 10-01-2008 10:02

no i will not for the same sorts of reasons stated above, i like being able to do things in my own time as suits me, sometimes i go a month without even touching football manager next i am constantly on it. hope it works out for SI but not something i think i will go for

**Riley** · 10-01-2008 10:15

A lot of people seem to be writing this off, personally I've never played an online game. Is there anyone who could give me a rounded opinion of how it compares to a single user game?

**smass** · 10-01-2008 10:32

I'm really looking forward to it. Not lucky enough to be involved with it so far so still not really sure how it'll pan out, but I'm a big fan of fantasy football and competing with mates on that It sounds like FML will mix elements of FF with FM. How can that be bad?! I just hope any FM players who do give it a go are welcoming of new players and we can have a slightly more bonded community to take it forward.

**oldsoldier reincarnated** · 10-01-2008 12:28

Absolutely no interest and no time to try. My fantasy football team and multiple league participation leaves no free time.

**bod1035** · 10-01-2008 12:45

I will give it a go see what it is like, and then will make my mind up

**aenariel** · 10-01-2008 12:46

I won't be playing it.

**asshole182** · 10-01-2008 12:50

Not interested at all. why would i buy a game and then pay to play it?

**heathxxx** · 10-01-2008 14:03

Might have to have a look at it, but unfortunately it boils down to free time for me I'm afraid.

I played Ultima Online from when it was BETA and eventually packed it in after 7 years.

I then played one of the free UO shards for a while, before moving to Spain in 2005.

Have not really seen anything since that yells enough at me to give it a try, but FM Live does look interesting.

**aaberdeenn** · 10-01-2008 14:05

I will be sticking with FM 2008.

The only online gaming I'll be doing is on xbox live.

**Kain** · 10-01-2008 14:11

I shall be sticking with FM07. FM Live doesn't interest me at all, as I'm anti-social and dislike other people.

**Powermonger** · 10-01-2008 14:19

I'll probably stick with normal FM myself. I've had my run of other MMOGs over the years (Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, World of Warcraft) and they've sort of lost their appeal. I like to play FM to my own time table and pace, I have a hard enough time trying to win against the AI let alone another human manager.

**exacerbating** · 10-01-2008 14:49

I would like to play FM Live it sounds pretty good but it also sounds too expensive for my liking.

I personally would prefer a pay-per-game system rather than a pay-per-month. Maybe even for a few quid a month you get 30 matches (1 a day) and for the full price (Â£7 or whatever) you get unlimited.

I mean comon Â£84 per year is just too much for me, make it the price of a normal game (Â£40) and I might be interested.

**Mike7077** · 10-01-2008 14:51

I just have no interest in FM Live whatsoever. I don't criticise SI for making it. I'm sure there are those to whom it does appeal. But it's not for me.

**VonBlade** · 10-01-2008 15:00

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kain:
I shall be sticking with FM07. FM Live doesn't interest me at all, as I'm anti-social and dislike other people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Misanthropes of the World unite!

I find it odd that FM, the most unashamedly single-player experience ever invented (ahem) is "live!".

I've got enough "ZOMG u iz teh looser!" teenagers in my life with my own kid let alone someone elses

VB

**Kazza** · 10-01-2008 15:01

I do play online games but only one full time Eve. the other are free and I dabble. Eve costs me Â£70/80 per year but it is very well established and I play an awful lot in between bouts of FM08.

Football online is a different animal in that it would need to have the same in depth facilities/functions/options etc as the normal game and maybe a bit more re the graphics and the odd surprise (win a competition and get a month free).

Presumably, to entice us you could offer a 14day free trial without having to offer up any Visa etc card details.

Given that it is FM then I would be more interested as you have established yourself as the best Footie sim in the business.

But other online footie games I have seem lack atmosphere. Mind the idea of competing without saving before the game will add a bit of extra spice.

As long as there's no killer tactics and online griefers I await more information.

**B. Stinson** · 10-01-2008 15:05

I know I won't be playing it. - I prefer playing games on my own terms and at my own speed/interest rate.

And I'm guessing it'll most-likely be a subscription based thing, which I've never seen the value in for the customer. You can buy a normal game once for $50 and enjoy it for the rest of your life... or you can pay per month for a subscription, and get only a few months of play out of the same $50.

Plus... I've seen what kind of people make up 99% of online gaming communities.

**schuey100** · 10-01-2008 15:38

With the right community online games are great. However, in general, there are too many people who prefer winning at all costs. This translates into cheating, using exploits and bugs and general bad manners. Everyone always wants to go the best team.

I'm not sure as I haven't looked it up yet, but I would hope that SI offers the ability to create custome leagues, where we can have leagues of people who we either know or have met/will meet online. This way it's easier to be comfortable in a game, safe in the knowledge that we at least to some extent, know who we're playing against.

I'm fed up of online gaming where people ruin it for everyone else because they are only out to win and their entire enjoyment comes from winning rather than having fun playing with other like minded people.

Perhaps cup matches where we could organise tournaments on the forum with our favourite online friends.

I have to say, I probably will try it (as long as the match engine is a bit better than FM08.)

I think that SI could be onto a KILLER online game. The potential is astounding. I, as I assume many others do, play in a fantasy football league. Everyone I know enjoys these leagues immensely, this is a massive step up where friends and colleagues in offices could play each other in a much more interactive way.

In the same way as operating systems are going online, especially with the work Google and Facebook are doing, (although I've heard the old "XP will be the last operating system ever") FM online, I believe, will eventually be the favoured option for most. I wonder even if FM as a standalone app has a future. But that's just me guessing. Financially of course it makes sense to bring the game online, not least because you can tackle piracy head on and with the right tools.

I think everyone should give FM Live a chance. I'm actually rather excited by it. It could really transform the way we view the game and for the better. It's certainly a bold step by SI but I hope it succeeds.

I don't know why but everytime I think of FM Live I see big $$$$ signs in front of my eyes

I wish I'd have thought of it.

**schuey100** · 10-01-2008 15:40

Oh, and SI, make sure you offer nice multi user licenses as I think I could probably swing one for the office

**AndyPass** · 10-01-2008 15:45

Not sure I'll have the time to be honest. I'm 31 and married with a kid, and all the mates I used to play with no longer buy FM because they're too busy.

I have owned every single CM / FM title, but sadly I think this may be one too many for me.

I'll probably decide nearer the time though. I always think 'this will be my last one', and then I get drawn in!!!

**Starr_Man5** · 10-01-2008 15:45

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kain:
I shall be sticking with FM07. FM Live doesn't interest me at all, as I'm anti-social and dislike other people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

whs

**MaCeR** · 11-01-2008 02:30

I Will definately give it a shot. I would, however, like to be able to try it out first.
Maybe SI could put up some kind of demoserver with a stripped version of the game for us..?

**Papasmurf** · 11-01-2008 02:35

I have no interest in it what so ever.

If it's anything like the boxed version of FM08 I certainly would feel cheated if I had to pay a monthly subscription for the "pleasure"

I'm sticking to FM08 which I'm enjoying now.

**Ter** · 11-01-2008 03:01

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm not sure as I haven't looked it up yet, but I would hope that SI offers the ability to create custome leagues, where we can have leagues of people who we either know or have met/will meet online. This way it's easier to be comfortable in a game, safe in the knowledge that we at least to some extent, know who we're playing against.

I'm fed up of online gaming where people ruin it for everyone else because they are only out to win and their entire enjoyment comes from winning rather than having fun playing with other like minded people.

Perhaps cup matches where we could organise tournaments on the forum with our favourite online friends. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are able to create custom leagues / cups with your friends. These can be private or public. They are even seasonal so once it ends you can start it again / change format etc.

**Jimbokav1971** · 11-01-2008 03:06

I'll certainly be having a look.

It would be silly to not give it a chance.

11-01-2008 04:27

I'm looking forward to checking out the demo / trial as I never condemn something until I try it. However, I'm not a fan of paying game subscriptions, so it will have to be a hell of a lot of fun for me to go down that road.

I play online FPS's from time to time, so I can advise anyone that hasn't done any online gaming this: it can be a lot of fun but if you are on a server with, what you suspect are cheats, then just disconnect and move to another server. Why bother wating your time and patience!

11-01-2008 04:27

I'm looking forward to checking out the demo / trial as I never condemn something until I try it. However, I'm not a fan of paying game subscriptions, so it will have to be a hell of a lot of fun for me to go down that road.

I play online FPS's from time to time, so I can advise anyone that hasn't done any online gaming this: it can be a lot of fun but if you are on a server with, what you suspect are cheats, then just disconnect and move to another server. Why bother wating your time and patience!

**Dunga99** · 11-01-2008 05:01

I think I stick with FM08 online but never say never

**sparks1754** · 11-01-2008 05:49

I'll certainly take a peek at it.
My biggest worry as has been mentioned before in this thread is the other folk playing it. Having played on line games for about 10 years now I've seen many many examples of people who get their kicks spoiling others enjoyment. I've seen just as many promises from game designers who have a "foolproof" way of stopping it. Having said that, until it is released, I will try and remain optimistic

**George Graham** · 11-01-2008 05:55

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ov Collyer:
If anything, the fact we're using the same ME in FML is helping tune it for FM too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome back- I think I can speak for many that we're thankful for Paul and yourself in giving us a management simulation that is at heart geared towards the fans.

Regardless of this, and with the greatest of respect I dont think using the match engine as an example of why FML will benefit FM is best advised, this is just by going on the match engine that was given "out of the box", let alone the disappointment of the 8.01 update.

I can see why constant development of the match engine in FML can help the core FM, but so far the results have been less than impressive.

Fingers crossed for 8.02.

**George Graham** · 11-01-2008 05:59

Also re FMLive.

I was included in the initial beta, and although fun it wasnt the FM Online I envisaged and hoped for- in that it was basically FM but online, and not needing the kind of work it takes to keep an FM0x league going.

Impressed by the implementation though (and this from a very early build), just not for me.

**robin_trott_hoof** · 12-01-2008 01:23

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It reminds me of when we made the very first CM back in 1992 - people were just as wary of something new/being done a little differently then too. "What's the strange program with numbers and bright colours filling the screen?" "What do you mean you can't even see the action!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about all the other management games that had numbers and no action before it?

**Rhan** · 12-01-2008 01:49

The thing that worries me about this game is how the competitions are set up. It all sounds good in theory, setting up timed leagues etc but I can just see it being a total mess as people drop out/get bored, someone goes on holiday, someone doesn't play. You'll be playing the computer half the time I reckon.

Also FM online is just ripe for idiots, supertactics, cheating and no matter how it is set up the gap betwen those who play loads and those who don't will most likely ruin it for me.

This is very pessimistic though, it could be great..I will be buying it.

**Daniel Foster** · 12-01-2008 02:02

I'm unsure yet.

However, the one thing that does not appeal to me with FM Live is that the players are all fake etc.

**Stephanie McMahon\'s Secret Lover** · 12-01-2008 02:15

Not even buying FM live.

If SI can't be bothered maintaining their usual excellent support on thee forums then Â£20 isn't coming out of my pocket that's for sure.

I've bought the game since CM2 but to be honest if the only time SI bother conversing with the public is when they are about to release a new game (note suddenly an x-box version is available) then I can't be bothered either.

**safc4eva** · 12-01-2008 02:37

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zeke:
Hattrick will have to do. I have been a member there since 2002.

So, No FML. Takes too much time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know? Are you a tester

**Ter** · 12-01-2008 04:04

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Regardless of this, and with the greatest of respect I dont think using the match engine as an example of why FML will benefit FM is best advised, this is just by going on the match engine that was given "out of the box", let alone the disappointment of the 8.01 update. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Longer term with x amount of matches taking place on FM Live each day we get a lot of matches played that can be analysed and people can easily report any issues they might have had in a particular match and we've already got all the data we need to go in and see if there is a potential problem and fix it if necessary.

This will then benefit the match engine in FM as they are both using the same match engine system so something fixed in one game will automatically benefit the other.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">However, the one thing that does not appeal to me with FM Live is that the players are all fake etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think a lot of people are getting confused about FML as the players in the game are certainly not fake.

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