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    England just HAD to lose on penalties to Portugal.

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    As sure as death and taxes, is a loss on penalties by England.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
    As sure as death and taxes, is a loss on penalties by England.....
    I beat you to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BenArsenal View Post
    In life only three things are certain.

    Death
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    and England losing on penalties.


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    Kip i want them to name a GW after you in FML. But one that starts with regens only as to befit your experimental nature

    Great Read

    And i predict this time around the badgers will be lifting the premier league trophy. As long as they hold onto their manager. You can already see the difference he and the chairman are making with regards to making the right decisions.

    One thing is thou, i love the underdogs and i now must admit i am a sheriff fan

    MON the Sheriffs

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    Who exactly are the badgers?


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    The third team in a future AI experiment?

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    Were the badgers not the Soccer Am team they had in FM a few years back haha!

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    *delurk*

    fab thread, many thanks

    *lurk*

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    I am Mr. Lurkio

    Great read mate

    Oh God, it's quarter to 9...

    I've got work for tomorrow to do, ****!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
    Who exactly are the badgers?

    Would that be in an alternative experiment universe where the Sheriffs are the Bodgers?

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    You mean you haven't been following the badgers? Do any of you actually read this thread?





    P.S. Kipfizh, I've stumbled across your namesake on HockeyArena, would it be you?

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    Good to see this back Kip, I read about 30 pages in a row when I found the last one. KUTGW.

    BTW Any plans to put this up on some sort of blog website, a lot of them are free. You could each update staight after each other without comments in between, just incase any late comers wanted to read all the way through. It is also easier to see when an update is up, not that the discussion isn't good, it is a big part of the experiment.

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    As I recall, isn't there a Bandits webpage? Or at least one was in development from the 07 experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Vimes View Post
    *delurk*

    fab thread, many thanks

    *lurk*
    love the screen name, TP fan?

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    ive lurked for years kutgw KIP.... and Bandits FTW this team will finally win us the Title and could do well in europe too

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    How have I only just found out this has started again?????

    Right I'm off to read 8 pages...

    C'MON you Bandits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennyd81 View Post
    How have I only just found out this has started again?????

    Right I'm off to read 8 pages...

    C'MON you Bandits!

    What he dosen't know is that in those eight pages there's only one update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by damienroden View Post
    Good to see this back Kip, I read about 30 pages in a row when I found the last one. KUTGW.

    BTW Any plans to put this up on some sort of blog website, a lot of them are free. You could each update staight after each other without comments in between, just incase any late comers wanted to read all the way through. It is also easier to see when an update is up, not that the discussion isn't good, it is a big part of the experiment.

    Theres a facebook group devoted to the Bandits. It would be good if it could be posted there. Even if Kip himself didn't do it. I'd happily post it up if i was made an admin ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
    What he dosen't know is that in those eight pages there's only one update!
    There were two tbf... and two Promotions!!!!

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    Oh yeah.... it was such a long time ago I forgot. Although that;s not a hurry up, take your time kip and give it your usual fantastic treatment.

    And I loved the World Cup

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    Looking forward to next season!
    *drool*

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    Quote Originally Posted by waz_nufc_awk View Post
    love the screen name, TP fan?
    Yup Best books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meitheisman View Post
    Would that work even after he started a game or does it need to be done at the very beginning?
    Sorry for the super late reply - you have to do it before the start of a game...

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    Awesome WC! Great updates as usual Kip!

    Absolutely gutting for England to lose on penalties... AGAIN! ... but never mind.

    Here's hoping that the Bandits next season will be a corker!

    'MON THE BANDITS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViG1980 View Post
    Sorry for the super late reply - you have to do it before the start of a game...
    No, you don't actually. It works with saved games, even if it seems it doesn't at first glance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endtime View Post
    No, you don't actually. It works with saved games, even if it seems it doesn't at first glance.
    How is this so, I have updated my game but the German national team is still full of grey players over a season later?

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    Strange. It always worked with my saved games, I just had to wait until the next international call-up date. Are you sure you deleted the right files (i.e. if you're using the 9.0.3 db, the correct files are in the "update" folder)?

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Getting very close to breaking forum rules here, maybe you should continue this by PM.

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    why is it breaking rules? Surely not illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberto922 View Post
    why is it breaking rules? Surely not illegal?
    Talking about 'Germany' is frowned upon, if you know what I mean.

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    and it is actually illeagal

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    Fair enough, never knew that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeytwigge View Post
    and it is actually illeagal
    Well talking about Germany as such isn't illegal. Discussing what you can do about the lack of licensing is.

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    Don't mention the war!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_ View Post
    Don't mention the war!
    You started it!!

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    My dad doesn't mind so much when Germany beat England at football because he say we beat them at their favourite game twice(WWI and WWII).

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    What I find confusing is that if they were so concerned there's ways to make it so the licensing issue cannot be circumvented. They obviously don't care that much.

    But that's for another (not on this forum) thread.

    Drooling for an update Kip

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
    What I find confusing is that if they were so concerned there's ways to make it so the licensing issue cannot be circumvented. They obviously don't care that much.

    But that's for another (not on this forum) thread.

    Drooling for an update Kip
    it's not their problem if people circumvent the restriction
    in fact it is probably an advantage to them because people will enjoy football manager more
    as long as they make an outward front to dislike people using this loophole they will be fine but i expect inwardly they dont mind too much
    if it gets too openly known and obvious then they will have to stop it

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    Why don't the German players etc get put into the Germany squad? Whats the issue around it?

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    Can we get this thread back on topic please, I'm sure the vast majority of us don't want kipfizh's thread locking because some people were discussing banned topics.

    'MON the Bandits.

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    And to end the discussion just read the FM 08 wiki article, that'll be al the explanation needed, now like Martin says, we'd best drop the subject

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Manager_2008

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    It's very quiet on this thread...

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    lurking and waiting in anticipation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iacovone View Post
    lurking and waiting in anticipation...
    ...and getting bored doing it
    i can't wait for the next season :-)

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    patience is a virtue my good man...

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    The calm before the storm...well, update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrotdude View Post
    The calm before the storm...well, update.

    I was just thinking the same mate. Word usage is correct though, it is the storming of the league by Bandits for sure

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    Waaaaaiiiiittttiiinnngggg!!!

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    Ah it's just like the old days, where the gaps between updates would leave us all going at each others throats like addicts*...

    *Which we are... 'Mon the sheriffs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
    Ah it's just like the old days, where the gaps between updates would leave us all going at each others throats like addicts*...

    *Which we are... '!
    saw this thread had moved up the page and thought there had been an update, oh well back to waiting I guess.

    Oh..and almost forgot...Mon the Bandits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kipfizh View Post
    World View - World beaters
    It seems that the initial database contains few stars, but many more than will become stars. At the start of the game, there were only 60 players with a CA of 170, and just two years later, that has nearly doubled to 114.
    I think that this is something to be fixed by Sigames, it is strange if the number of really good players rise all the time and one thing that you very seldom see is players dropping in ability before their natural decline kicks in, take for example Owen in real life, he’s ability has clearly dropped too early compared to other top class strikers in real life, but this does not seem to happen in FM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnySanchez View Post
    I think that this is something to be fixed by Sigames, it is strange if the number of really good players rise all the time and one thing that you very seldom see is players dropping in ability before their natural decline kicks in, take for example Owen in real life, he’s ability has clearly dropped too early compared to other top class strikers in real life, but this does not seem to happen in FM.
    surely players do not decline in ability too early... loss of form maybe but you dont just lose ability?!

    age and injury should be the only factors behind a drop in ability in my opinion!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_shocker7 View Post
    surely players do not decline in ability too early... loss of form maybe but you dont just lose ability?!

    age and injury should be the only factors behind a drop in ability in my opinion!!
    i wouldnt be surprised if some players are better at 18 than 25 because their strength is pure speed and i expect players will lose some speed in that period
    old age and injury arent the only ways a player can lose stats like pace and acceleration

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    It does irritate me how in FM, everyone gets faster between 20 and 25. They shouldn't be getting faster really.

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    im pretty sure no player has ever peaked at 18 mate, fair enough there pace stats might be the same but in no way would proffesional footballers who train every day start losing pace at 25!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_shocker7 View Post
    im pretty sure no player has ever peaked at 18 mate, fair enough there pace stats might be the same but in no way would proffesional footballers who train every day start losing pace at 25!!
    Michael Owen anyone??
    An exception I know but it does happen when injuries take there toll.

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    Phew, my computer goes down and I finally come back and notice I haven't missed anything... Talk about luck.
    Now to check this thread every few hours eagerly with hope again like usual.

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    This is an issue that needs dealing with. I've had a career game on this version that has reached 2021 I think and there are far more seemingly world class players. Denmark has 5 players in the national team described as 'World-class' their position. Now this could be realism - countries do have 'Golden-generations' and suddenly have a batch of players at the same time that are top class. But if it is happening across the board then it's probably not right. It is a hard balance to strike - if there are only 2 players from each new years newgens that have potential to be great players then it would make it much harder for small clubs to snap up top youth player, but too many and it devalues the excitement of finding the best players of the generation.

    As for ability variations. I think it is fair to say that technical stats do not vary that much over a career. But, in previous versions players abilities would drop during a long term injury, which was a good way of simulating the rustiness and lack of match practice that players experience. Now I don't know whether this was scrapped because rustiness has been built into the improved match-engine or whether it was unpopular, but it seemed like a good way round part of the problem discussed - ie. if a player didn't play, had no match practice, whether through injury or falling from the manager's plans then his ability would decrease, but when he started playing/training again then there was a chance it would improve again. This is mainly to do with the technical side of the game.

    For the mental attributes, then I think that generally they should increase as players' experience increases. Also things like making players captain should have an impact, if they do it well, then influence should go up for example.

    As for physical stats, well this is where there should be the greatest mobility. A player's strength/stamina can change within a season, depending on how hard they train. If a player is going easy in training, then he should lose stamina, strength.
    Heavy pre-season training should boost it significantly, and linked into this, there should be the possibility of players not doing enough over the summer break and coming back in terrible shape. Pre-season training is not really necessary on this version, but I certainly remember having a high intensity schedule that I threw players into at the start of seasons.

    I hope that all made sense. It turned into a much longer post than I intended, but it has at least passed some time before the next update.

    C'mon the Bandits!

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    Folks, apologies for the delay, but I've currently got chicken pox, which is not particularly pleasant in adult form and is stopping me doing most things.

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    God your prone to illness

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    As long as its not swine flu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kipfizh View Post
    Folks, apologies for the delay, but I've currently got chicken pox, which is not particularly pleasant in adult form and is stopping me doing most things.
    Ugh...no, it isn't....take your time, get your strength back....and get well soon! We'll wait patiently for you!

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    Hope you'll feel better soon kipfizh.

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    Just take a heavy dose of man up pills.

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    Im worried kip actually has swine flu.....

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    Wasn't there people saying he'd died last year? Poor buggar

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    Thats when you know you're a forum legend, after an extended period of absence people start to write an obituary.

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    get well soon buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberto922 View Post
    God your prone to illness
    Heh, yeah that's what happens when you have kids - they get everything and you get it from them. Unfortunately, I'm now on a cocktail of drugs that mean I sleep most of the time...

    I actually got about 2/3 through the report before this break, so when I come back it shouldn't take long to finish.

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    Take your time Kip. Hope you get well soon

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    Cheers for the update kipfizh

    Get better soon, glad to hear the majority of the report is written

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    Get better soon (again ) Kip!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kipfizh View Post
    Folks, apologies for the delay, but I've currently got chicken pox, which is not particularly pleasant in adult form and is stopping me doing most things.
    Get well soon Kip!

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    Take care of your health man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iacovone View Post
    Cheers for the update kipfizh

    Get better soon, glad to hear the majority of the report is written
    I do like how this was called an update

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    Well it is an update, just on his health rather than the game....

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    In light of this crisis, the government will be issuing a leaflet for CSErs on how to deal with "Kipfizh flu"...

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    great thread mate, solid and interesting read

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    get better soon kipfizh , on a different now how the hell did striker 3 not get an England call up, even if it is the scottish premier 51 goals is just ridiculous.

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    Am i alone in being shocked that kip has kids? Thought he was like 15!

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    That would have made him 12/13 when he started the Bandits

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Hearn View Post
    Am i alone in being shocked that kip has kids? Thought he was like 15!
    He mentioned his wife a couple of times in the original thread so fwiw I knew he wasn't 15.

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    So I was alone!

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    *leaves flowers and grapes*

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    As long as they aren't grapes of wrath.

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    Can't believe i missed the start of the new FM09 experiment. Glad I only missed a couple of seasons, will be interesting to see how the Bandits cope with league 2

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quick question:

    Was the Bandits 07 database ever made available for download? I always wanted to see how far I could take them.

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    I think Kips laptop crashed and the '07 database was lost forever

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    It really wouldn't be hard to just edit the database yourself.

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quote Originally Posted by wisescummer View Post
    It really wouldn't be hard to just edit the database yourself.
    Ah, but i wanted to take over the team as they were in the final season before the experiment finished.

    Hey ho, never mind.

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    If anyone does manage to recreate the DB, id love a copy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insert_Goal_Here View Post
    Can't believe i missed the start of the new FM09 experiment. Glad I only missed a couple of seasons, will be interesting to see how the Bandits cope with league 2
    maybe a couple of seasons but almost 800 posts:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryzz View Post
    maybe a couple of seasons but almost 800 posts:-)
    I spent the best part of last evening catching up!

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Hearn View Post
    If anyone does manage to recreate the DB, id love a copy
    Why dont you just do it yourself? Yeah it takes awhile, but it'd be worth it.

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    I wouldnt get it right!

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Hearn View Post
    I wouldnt get it right!

    Not much to get right, Create the two clubs, Create the reps etc, The coaches and the players.

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    Not much to get right, Create the two clubs, Create the reps etc, The coaches and the players.
    Simples.

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    Have bookmarked this now. Fantastic stuff. Eagerly anticipating what's to come...

    p.s. It'd be great if you could also report with a little more detail on the dream and idiot manager. For example, if their CA falls/rises or if they have any fav personnel/disliked ones... etc. right now I see the reputation changes mentioned for them which is also great.

    You're doing a fantastic job!

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Only the one update still?

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    Default Re: AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

    Two atually.

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