AI Experiment - The Bandits are back for FM09

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Competitions – Around the world

Your annual guide to the major competition winners from across the globe:

[number in brackets after a win indicates how many consecutive wins that club has now had]

World

World Club Cup – Lyon

Europe

Champions League – Juventus
UEFA Cup – Schalke

Belgium
Jupiler Pro League – Anderlecht (Relegated – Brussels, Zuite Waregem, Promoted – Liege, Charleroi)
Confidis Cup – Anderlecht (2)

England
Premiership – Chelsea (2) (Relegated – Fulham, Stoke, West Brom, Promoted – Wolves, Portsmouth, Burnley)
FA Cup – Liverpool (3)
League Cup – Arsenal

France
Ligue 1 – Lyon (2) (Relegated – Caen, Strasbourg, Metz, Promoted – Troyes, Montpellier, Nantes)
Coupe de France – Marseille
Coupe de la Ligue – Lyon (3)

Germany
Bundesliga – Leverkusen (3) (Relegated – St. Pauli, Furth, Wolfsburg, Promoted – Mainz, Koln, Aachen)
DFB-Pokal – Dortmund

Italy
Serie A – Fiorentina (Relegated – Bologna, Pisa, Brescia, Promoted – Mantova, Siena, Ascoli)
Italian Cup – Napoli

Netherlands
Eredivisie – Feyenoord (Relegated – NEC, Promoted – De Graafschap)
Dutch Cup – NAC Breda

Portugal
Liga Sagres – Sporting (2) (Relegated – Estoril, Chaves, Promoted – Gil Vincente, P. Ferreira)
Taca de Portugal – Porto
Carlsberg Cup – Sporting

Scotland
SPL – Rangers (6) (Relegated – Falkirk, Promoted – Morton)
Scottish Cup – Hearts
Co-operative Cup – Rangers (3)

Spain
La Liga – Barcelona (2) (Relegated – Villarreal, Mallorca, Real Sociedad, Promoted – Castellon, Numancia, Levante)
Copa del Rey – Barcelona (2)

South America

Copa Libertadores – Sao Paulo (2)
Copa Sudamericana – River Plate

Argentina
Primera A – River (Relegated – Rafaela, Belgrano, Promoted – San Martin (T), Gimnasia (J))

Brazil
Brasileiro – Sao Paulo (2) (Relegated – Sport Recife, Ponte Preta, Goias, Fortaleza, Promoted – Criciuma, Portuguesa, Atletico Goianiense, Barueri)
Copa do Brasil – Fluminense

International
World Cup – n/a
African Cup of Nations – Nigeria (2)
Asian Cup – n/a
European Championships – n/a
Gold Cup – Mexico (3)
Oceania Nations Cup – Soloman Islands (2)
Copa America – n/a
Confederations Cup – Spain
Olympics – n/a

Rangers continue to dominate in Scotland, winning all six titles, while there are some big names relegated in Spain. Lazio remain in Serie B.

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Summary

The Bandits were simply awesome this season, winning League One with a squad almost as strong as the Sheriffs, who reside on division above, and made the playoffs this season. That suggests that with only a few additions, the Bandits could be at a similar level. With the top five players in League One, they already have half a side capable of the step up.

As for the Sheriffs, it was another good season for them, but a penalty shoot out defeat in the playoffs hurt. Next season they will have their old rivals to contend with again.

The Sheriffs have now been bought out – their new chairman is Roland Brown, only 46 and with a CA of only 74. But his PA of 123 should mean he grows into the role. He is an interesting character – resources of only 1, although that shouldn't matter with their massive gate receipts, he has interference of 19 and patience of 20. How will this affect them?

The starlets continue to amaze, and are now picking up all the European and World honours for personal performance. Some are succeeding more than others, and it'll be interesting to see them all in the World Cup this summer.

With England having so many stars, they have to be favourites for the World Cup, but there is enough talent in other countries to threaten them.

But the real story is that the Bandits and the Sheriffs are, once again, back in the same league. Who will be first to the Premiership?

Bandit’s former manager watch

No former managers

Sheriffs’s former manager watch

No former managers

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World View – Club Reputation

The top twenty clubs in the world, based on their reputation:

1 (1). Arsenal – 9414 (+44)
2 (3). Chelsea – 9294 (+100)
3 (2). Real Madrid – 9220 (-63)
4 (6). Juventus – 9142 (+277)
5 (4). Barcelona – 9118 (-63)
6 (5). Man Utd – 8941 (-53)
7 (7). Lyon – 8722 (-105)
8 (9). Liverpool – 8708 (-3)
9 (10). Valencia – 8614 (-94)
10 (14). Fiorentina – 8577 (+244)
11 (8). Inter Milan – 8529 (-186)
12 (11). Bayern Munich – 8506 (-53)
13 (12). AC Milan – 8361 (-146)
14 (13). Sevilla – 8277 (-140)
15 (16). Atletico Madrid – 8247 (+97)
16 (17). Leverkusen – 8243 (+119)
17 (-). San Lorenzo – 8023
18 (-). Real Zaragoza – 8004
19 (18). Zenit – 7998 (-)
20 (15). Roma – 7982 (-215)

Dropping out:
22 (20). Everton – 7941 (-37)
29 (19). Werder Bremen – 7819 (-173)

Arsenal stay top, but the majors movers are Juventus, whose Champions League triumph takes them up to fourth, and Fiorentina, who won Serie A.

There is also a non-European appearance on the list – San Lorenzo of Argentina, which is a curious one – they haven't been threatening the top spots in their league, and only made the quarter finals of the Copa Sudamericana. Real Zaragoza also return to the list.

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World View - Ones to watch

Your annual guide to the stars of tomorrow:

Bruno Freitas (Braga/Portugal, 17, DC, 98/193) is a young centre back plying his trade in Portugal. The centre back is already at a relatively big club, and has big potential.

Previous tips

Loic Pelletier (Troyes/France, 21, MC, 151/197) makes massive gains, rising 22 CA points, and has broken into the Troyes first team now, although he still isn't playing particularly well.

Steve Tucker (Rangers/England, 21, D RC, 130/197) picks up another seven CA points, and is playing only the occasional game for Rangers.

Tamer Ozdemir (Basel/Turkey, 20, DC, 133-197) gains thirteen points, and makes the move from Konyaspor to Basel on a free transfer. He has yet to make any sort of impact at his new club.

Vladimir (America (RN)/Brazil, 17, ST, 130-198) is making excellent gains, picking up 19 CA points to be at a very high level for a 17 year old. Having wanted to leave his relegated club, he ended up staying, although after failing to get into their side and with the club not gaining promotion, he is moving to Bolivian side The Strongest in September.

Zdenek Kuban (Sparta Prague/Czech Rep, 19, ST, 120-199) gains eleven CA points, but after playing a fair part of last season, he makes only two substitute appearances this time. He must bide his time, as he has enormous potential.

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World View - World beaters

Lionel Messi (Barcelona/Argentina, 26, AM RLC, 194/195) doesn't have as strong a season as he did last year, but remains joint top of this list, and will be eagerly anticipating the World Cup.
Lionel Messi

Cristiano Ronaldo (Man United/Portugal, 29, AM RL, 194/195) remains at his peak for yet another season, topping this list, and having another excellent season for United. Now on 99 caps, the first match of the summer's World Cup should mark his century.
Cristiano Ronaldo

Iker Casillas (Real Madrid/Spain, 33, GK, 191/192) maintains his CA once again, and concedes at less than a goal every other game. He will be hard to beat this summer.
Iker Casillas

Kaka (AC Milan/Brazil, 32, AM C, 190/195) is probably spending his final year on the list, after dropping four CA points, but he is still a force to be reckoned with, and will be looking to go out with a bang this summer.
Kaka

Number of 190+ CA players : 4 (-) (excluding starlets and idiots)
Number of 180+ CA players : 36 (+1) (excluding starlets and idiots)
Number of 170+ CA players : 154 (+3) (excluding starlets and idiots)

Number of 190+ PA players : 24 (-) (excluding starlets and idiots)
Number of 180+ PA players : 180 (+8) (excluding starlets and idiots)
Number of 170+ PA players : 855 (+51) (excluding starlets and idiots)

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World View - Distribution of 180+ CA players

(excluding starlets and idiots)

The clubs

Team                Number of stars                         No. of Bandit stars
Real Madrid         7 (+1) (191, 186, 184, 184, 184, 183, 182)
Barcelona           5 (-) (194, 186, 183, 181, 180)         3 (-) (199, 199, 198)
Man Utd             3 (-) (194, 184, 184)
Arsenal             3 (-) (189, 185, 184)                   3 (+1) (199, 199, 198)
Lyon                3 (+1) (187, 184, 182)                  
Chelsea             2 (-) (189, 186)                        5 (+1) (199, 199, 199, 199, 199)
Liverpool           2 (-) (188, 181)                        3 (-) (199, 199, 198)
Roma                2 (-) (185, 181)
Juventus            2 (-) (184, 181)
AC Milan            1 (-1) (190)                            1 (-) (199)
Atletico Madrid     1 (-) (187)                             1 (-) (199)
Bayer Leverkusen    1 (-) (186)
Bayern Munich       1 (-) (185)
CSKA Moscow         1 (-) (184)
Valencia            1 (-) (183)
Fiorentina          1 (-) (181)
Man City                                                    1 (-) (199)
Middlesbrough                                               1 (-) (199)
Newcastle                                                   1 (-) (199)
Sevilla                                                     1 (-) (199)
Sunderland                                                  1 (-) (195)
Rangers                                                     1 (-1) (193)
Sampdoria                                                   0 (-1)
Total               36 (+1)                                 22 (-)

Real Madrid extend their lead at the top, but including the starlets Chelsea now have seven, and Barcelona eight.

The leagues

Country   Stars     Bandit stars
Spain     14 (+1)   5 (-)
England   10 (-)    15 (+2)
Italy     6 (-1)    1 (-1)
France    2 (+1)
Germany   2 (-)
Russia    1 (-)
Scotland            1 (-1)
Total     36 (+1)   22 (-)

Spain capture another world star, but the Premiership remains the home of most of the former Bandits.

The nationalities

Country   Stars     Bandit stars
Spain     7 (-)     1 (-)
France    5 (-)     1 (-)
Italy     5 (-)     1 (-)
Argentina 4 (-)     1 (-)
Brazil    2 (-)     1 (-)
Germany   2 (-)     1 (-)
Holland   2 (-)     1 (-)
Bosnia    1 (+1)
Czech Rep 1 (-)
England   1 (-)     14 (-)
Macedonia 1 (-)
Ghana     1 (-)
Mexico    1 (-)
Portugal  1 (-)     1 (-)
Russia    1 (-)
Slovakia  1 (-)

Total     36 (+1)   22 (-)

Spain keep their place at the top, ahead of the World Cup.

[kipfizh]

The final section, National Coefficients, will follow, but they get updated on July 1, whereas I do all updates on May 31. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem, but there is a World Cup going on this summer, so I'm writing that up day by day (nearly at July 1, so you'll get it soon).

World Cup preview on the way.

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World Cup 2014 - Preview

Hosts: Brazil
Holders: Italy

Group A: Chile, Ghana, Italy, Poland
Group B: Algeria, Australia, Czech Rep, England
Group C: Brazil, Croatia, Oman, USA
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia, South Korea
Group E: Cameroon, Iran, Scotland, Spain
Group F: Canada, France, Peru, Portugal
Group G: Colombia, Holland, Mexico, Nigeria
Group H: Ecuador, Germany, Russia, Saudi Arabia

The group that sticks out is Group G, where Holland, complete with poor ranking as a result of failing to qualify for the European Championships last time, have a tough draw. France and Portugal are paired together, while England and Spain should be confident. Scotland might get through their group.

Notable absentees:

Egypt (drawn in the same group as Ivory Coast)
Japan (Oman shocked them in qualifying)
Sweden (4th in England's qualifying group, behind Israel and N. Ireland, who also both failed to qualify)
Denmark (lost out on winning France's group on goal difference after drawing with Hungary in the final game, then lost playoff to Serbia)

Highest ranked absentee: Denmark (17th)

Starlets:
Goalkeeper 1 (Argentina)
Goalkeeper 2 (Brazil)
Left Back 1 (England)
Right Back 1 (England)
Right Back 2 (France)
Centre Back 1 (Germany)
Centre Back 2 (Holland)
Centre Back 3 (Italy)
Centre Back 4 (England)
Left Mid 1 (England)
Left Mid 2 (England)
Right Mid 1 (England)
Right Mid 2 (England)
Centre Mid 1 (England)
Centre Mid 2 (Portugal)
Centre Mid 3 (England)
Centre Mid 4 (England)
Striker 1 (Spain)
Striker 2 (England)
Striker 3 (England)
Striker 4 (England)

Idiots
Idiot Goalkeeper (England)

World stars
Messi (Argentina)
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Casillas (Spain)
Kaka (Brazil)

England's Left Back 2 is the only starlet not going to the World Cup – out of 22 he must be feeling quite lonely. England have chosen Left Back 1 to be their only player in that position, which is a risk.

Idiot Goalkeeper makes it as the two keeping starlets are playing for Argentina and Brazil, and all four world stars are present. It should be a good one, especially with Brazil hosting the tournament again.

[Lord_Seifer]

First of all, nice that Kip updated. You are doing such a good job here. You have a fan from Spain

Now, World Cup Predictions...

Group A: Italy, Chile
Group B: England, Czech Republic
Group C: Brazil, Croatia,
Group D: Argentina, Serbia
Group E: Spain, Scotland
Group F: France, Portugal
Group G: Mexico, Holland
Group H: Germany, Russia

[civilservant]

Gutted for the Sheriffs, but the truth is we need a stronger squad, so another season in the championship won't do us any harm.

And of course trouncing the bandits in the derby next season (twice) will help with our morale

[roberto922]

Fantastic update, shame we didn't win in the playoffs but hopefully we can bring in some stars in the summer and go up, could see both go up next year imo

[damienroden]

You keep knocking Leeds and tipping them for relegation but they keep proving you wrong.

[Paulo1985]

Kip have you ever taken a poll on which club is the better supported of the two? There seem to be more sheriff fans reading these updates than those of the mighty Bandits.

I predict for next year the Bandits to go up at the first time of asking bringing in a couple of transfers in to strengthen the already talanted squad that won league one. The Sheriffs will not be far behind them but i think that they will be spending one more year in the Championship after losing in the play-offs for the second year running.

Up the Bandits!!!!!

[deltablue]

A few months ago I did a count through of those declared for either side, it was relatively well balanced through the Bandits had clear lead. But that was a while ago and not exactly clear cut. Anyway, that was rivetting stuff, especially the drama surrounding the Sheriffs reaching the playoffs. Just as well you reposted the Aug-Dec updates as I'd remembered little due to the gap. Anyway now its a Bandits-Sheriffs race to the premiership, even if its uncertain if either will do it next time. The Sheriffs have a seasons experience headstart and but the bandits have a much stronger starting-in-the-championship squad and have finally learned to use their money properly so the already good players may be augmented by yet more. Its anyone's contest.

[dovEs]

Englan to win it surely. Great upate as ever Kip, almost gutted that I've read the season update as now I have to wait for my fix again. Do enjoy World Cup/European Champ years tho as the offer a little respite to the craving haha

[hasdgfas]

England to lose on penalties in the quarters.

Spain to win it all

[5ergio]

England to lose on penalties in any stage after cruising through their group with 9 points, and most probably without conceding a single goal.

Up the Bandits, more settled & talented squad for Championship. A little bit of make up here and there and we are good to go

[BenArsenal]

Awesome stuff.

My very own World Cup predictions:

Group A: Chile, Ghana, Italy, Poland
Group B: Algeria, Australia, Czech Rep, England
Group C: Brazil, Croatia, Oman, USA
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia, South Korea
Group E: Cameroon, Iran, Scotland, Spain
Group F: Canada, France, Peru, Portugal
Group G: Colombia, Holland, Mexico, Nigeria
Group H: Ecuador, Germany, Russia, Saudi Arabia

[StewartJRobertson]

My predictions for the World Cup:

Group A: Italy, Poland
Group B: Australia, England
Group C: Brazil, USA
Group D: Argentina, South Korea
Group E: Scotland, Spain
Group F: France, Portugal
Group G: Holland, Nigeria
Group H: Germany, Russia,

Im declaring myself firmly on the Bandits side should any poll take place. I still pray for Bandits v Sheriffs in the play off final. Might just come true next season...

[Netm]

Group A: Italy, Poland
Group B: Czech Rep, England
Group C: Brazil, Croatia
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast
Group E: Scotland, Spain
Group F: France, Portugal
Group G: Holland, Nigeria
Group H: Germany, Russia

Argentina to beat Germany in the final.

[Mravac Kid]

Holy crap, Idiots actually improving? Where's this world going to?

I am loving the Bandits steamroller, I hope they can keep it up. And the monstrous performances of the attacking starlets are a joy to behold.

As for predictions:
Group A: Chile, Ghana, Italy, Poland - Italy to dominate, Ghana to edge out Poland.
Group B: Algeria, Australia, Czech Rep, England - England to destroy everyone, Czech Rep to cruise past the other two.
Group C: Brazil, Croatia, Oman, USA - Brazil will do the same in this group, and Croatia should be able to hold off USA.
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia, South Korea - Argentina have it easy, and Serbia should triumph over South Korea.
Group E: Cameroon, Iran, Scotland, Spain - Spain's combination of starlets and stars means they wil massacre the others, and Scotland may be able to fly on the wings of Rangers to outperform the others.
Group F: Canada, France, Peru, Portugal - Portugal should be able to hold off France for the win here.
Group G: Colombia, Holland, Mexico, Nigeria - Holland have it tough, I'm guessing Nigeria might manage to win this group. But really, this one's anyone's guess.
Group H: Ecuador, Germany, Russia, Saudi Arabia - Germany to sail past the others, while Russia manage to just edge out Ecuador for the second place.

And of course, England to lose to Italy on penalties in the semis.

[craig.17]

I wonder if any of the former bandits or sheriffs will end up back at their old clubs in a few years with the teams improving as quickly as they are

[Meitheisman]

Group A: Chile, Italy
Group B: Czech Rep, England
Group C: Brazil, USA
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast
Group E: Scotland, Spain
Group F: France, Portugal
Group G: Holland, Mexico
Group H: Germany, Russia

Spain to win it all.

Good work, as usual, Kip.

[Nevermore FC]

Great job!

Group A: Chile, Italy
Group B: Czech Rep, England
Group C: Brazil, USA
Group D: Argentina, Ivory Coast
Group E: Cameroon, Spain
Group F: France, Portugal
Group G: Colombia, Holland (I'm Colombian, I can't say anything else)
Group H: Ecuador, German

Italy WC2014 Champions.

[kipfizh]

You keep knocking Leeds and tipping them for relegation but they keep proving you wrong.

Yeah, I know - sooner or later they will!

[kipfizh]

Kip have you ever taken a poll on which club is the better supported of the two? There seem to be more sheriff fans reading these updates than those of the mighty Bandits.

There does seem to be a decent balance - personally, I'm on the side of the Bandits every time, and would love nothing better than a Bandits shoot out win in the playoff final next season...

[kipfizh]

World View – National Coefficients

The top twenty European countries, by national coefficient, which affects European qualification:

(Champions League: 4, UEFA Cup: 3)
1 (2). England – 110.911 (+11.175)
2 (1). Spain – 103.518 (+0.866)
3 (3). Italy – 95.571 (-1.572)

(Champions League: 3, UEFA Cup: 3)
4 (4). Germany – 87.524 (+4.250)
5 (5). France – 72.179 (+5.715)
6 (7). Portugal – 61.333 (+9.178)

(Champions League: 2, UEFA Cup: 4)
7 (6). Holland – 60.476 (+3.643)
8 (8). Russia – 46.500 (-0.083)
9 (9). Scotland – 42.283 (+1.958)

(Champions League: 2, UEFA Cup: 3)
10 (10). Ukraine – 37.383 (+3.250)
11 (13). Belgium – 33.383 (+0.650)
12 (11). Greece – 32.000 (-1.300)
13 (15). Turkey – 30.000 (+1.350)
14 (12). Serbia – 27.333 (-5.917)
15 (14). Denmark – 24.217 (-6.366)

(Champions League: 1, UEFA Cup: 3)
16 (16). Austria – 23.750 (+0.250)
17 (17). Romania – 20.850 (-1.250)
18 (-). Sweden – 20.550
19 (18). Israel – 17.500 (-4.125)
20 (22). Switzerland – 16.550 (+0.750)

Dropping out:
21 (20). Croatia – 15.125 (+2.375)
26 (19). Cyprus – 11.000 (-7.500)

As with real life, the domination of a few leagues means the gaps are getting wider – the top few countries continue to make gains, while at the bottom the smaller nations are seeing their coefficients ebbed away.

England finally make it to the top after a series of seasons of their sides reaching the major finals – last season they had three Champions League semi finalists. Spain miss out despite gaining a little, while Juventus' Champions League victory isn't enough for Italy to make strides.

A little further down, Portugal take Holland's third Champions League spot, thanks to Sporting's run to the Champions League knockout stage, and Benfica's semi final in the UEFA Cup.

At the bottom, Sweden arrive on the list thanks to Helsingborg's appearance in the Champions League group stage.

[Samuel Vimes]

Wow, Bandits. Fair season.

Think this is the first FM long term sim I've seen where the top doesn't change fairly soon after the sim starting...I wonder whether that's due to Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool winning the starlet race, though. Man Utd are 4th with no former Bandits.

Norway are still ****, I see...

[kipfizh]

World Cup 2014 – Report

Group A:

With Italy clear favourites to go through, each of Chile, Ghana and Poland fancied their chances of pinching second place. Ghana started well, taking an early lead against Chile, but the South Americans came back to win 2-1. In the other game, Italy cruised to a 3-1 win over Poland, although they had to do it without Centre Back 3, who twisted his knee and would miss the early stages.

Chile consolidated their good start with a 0-0 draw with Italy in the next game, Centre Back 3 making his return, while Ghana stormed back to beat Poland 3-1. The Poles ended the game with nine men after two late red cards as they crashed out of the competition.

With Ghana and Italy facing each other, Chile knew a point against Poland would see them through, while Ghana needed to beat Italy to leapfrog them and qualify.

Despite taking the lead twice, Chile ended up having to hold on to a 2-2 draw with Poland, who at least exited the competition with some pride, and in the other game, Ghana dominated, but a single Gilardino goal was enough for Italy to win 1-0 and finish top of the group.

Group B:

England looked to have a kind draw in Group B, and they certainly started in style, with a 4-1 win over an Algerian side who ended with ten men, Striker 2 scoring a hattrick and Left Back 1 adding a penalty. In the other game, Tim Cahill's red card hindered Australia, and they crashed to a 2-0 defeat to the Czech Rep.

The favourites were cruising, and the second round of matches saw much of the same – goals from Striker 3, Left Mid 2 and Centre Mid 1 gave England a 3-0 win over Australia, who again had a man sent off, while Czech Rep sauntered to a 2-0 win over Algeria. With a game to play, the qualifiers had already been decided.

All that was left to play for was top spot, and after Left Mid 1 and Centre Back 4 put England into a 2-0 lead, there seemed no way back for Czech Rep. But England's defence is shaky with Idiot Goalkeeper running the show, and the Czechs came back to 2-2 in the second half. Eventually, a Centre Back 4 penalty settled the match, but England have reason to be concerned at the back.

In the other game, a late equaliser denied Australia a win against Algeria, the match ending 1-1, both sides going home with one point.

Group C:

The hosts Brazil had been given a relatively kind draw, and certainly had a friendly opening game, a 2-0 win over Oman. Goalkeeper 2 had little to do, but Kaka went off with a bruised rib, which was fortunately not too serious. In the other game, Croatia won the battle of the sides chasing a likely second place, beating USA 2-0.

The group was decided in the second round of games – Brazil beat USA 2-0 with goals from Anderson and Alex, Kaka given a rest, and Croatia cruised past Oman 3-0, Olic scoring a hattrick to send his country through.

The Brazil-Croatia showdown was just for top spot, but with Brazil resting key players, such as Goalkeeper 2 and Kaka, Croatia pinched the win with a late Eduardo goal. At the other end of the group, Grella scored the only goal of the game as USA won against Oman.

Group D:

Group D is tough – Argentina have plenty of talent, Serbia qualified well, while the Ivory Coast are always dangerous. South Korea were the designated whipping boys.

But it didn't start like that, South Korea ending Goalkeeper 1's hopes of an early clean sheet, scoring past Argentina after only three minutes, but it was a flash in the pan, and Argentina eventually ran out 4-1 winners, Tevez scoring twice. An entertaining match elsewhere in the group saw the Ivory Coast run out 3-1 winners over Serbia, Yaya Toure scoring twice.

South Korea got off the mark in their next game, securing a point with a 0-0 draw with Ivory Coast, while Argentina continued their relentless march, Tevez and Messi scoring in a 2-0 win over Serbia, knocking them out.

With Argentina through and Serbia out, there was only one place to play for, and South Korea needed to beat Serbia, and hope for Argentina to beat Ivory Coast. At the same time, the Koreans needed a five goal swing in goal difference.

With the Ivory Coast getting a man sent off early, a big defeat looked possible, but already through, Argentina weren't in the mood to exert themselves, and scored only one goal, through Cambiasso. Kalou even had the chance to pinch a draw from the spot, but Goalkeeper 1 saved it.

That left South Korea needed to hammer Serbia by four goals, but they only managed a 1-0 victory, and crashed out on goal difference.

Group E:

Spain have a whole host of star players, so it was no surprise to see them run out comfortable 3-0 winners over Iran, Striker 1 scoring the third. In the other game, Scotland threw everything they had at Cameroon, but the Africans resisted and held out for a 0-0 draw.

That gave Cameroon a great chance to qualify, but another 0-0 draw with Iran, a dull match in which only one shot made either keeper make a save, left them needing a result against Spain to have a chance. Meanwhile, Scotland were managing the shock of the tournament so far – Fletcher put them ahead, only for Torres to equaliser, but with five minutes left, Miguel Torres conceded a penalty, getting his second yellow card in the process, and up stepped John Fleck, whose injury time goal against Spain two years ago saved Scotland in that group stage. Fleck buried it past Casillas, and Scotland won 2-1.

All that left Scotland top, with only the Iran game to come, while Spain needed a draw against Cameroon to guarantee progression.

Scotland had no trouble beating Iran 2-0 to win the group, so all eyes turned to Spain, to see if they would crash out in the early stages. But Cameroon lost a man early, Songo'o being sent off in the eighth minute, and Spain took full advantage, hammering them 5-0 to send out a real statement of intent. Striker 1 opened the scoring.

Group F:

The big match of the group came first – France v Portugal, but it ended up a damp squib, finishing 0-0, Mexes getting sent off for France. Despite Portugal's efforts, they couldn't find a winner. Both Peru and Canada knew they had to take advantage, and an injury time winner gave Peru a vital 2-1 win, giving them a chance of progression.

Peru now needed a result against France, but collapsed early on, and ended up losing 3-1, Right Back 2 playing well for the French. In the other game, Portugal had no problem dispatching Canada 2-0 to join France at the top.

With both sides one point ahead of Peru, both knew a draw would send them through, but if Portugal lost to Peru, it would be curtains for them.

France had no problems beating Canada 3-0 to secure their place in the second round, but Portugal were having much more trouble in the other game, throwing the kitchen sink at Peru without scoring. Farfan scored for Peru in the first half, and a real shock was on the cards. It seemed it was only a matter of time until Portugal got their equaliser, but it kept ticking away, and with five minutes left Baylon secured the win for Peru. Despite being outshot 20-3, they won 2-0 and sent Portugal (with Centre Mid 2 and Ronaldo) home.

Group G:

The perennial group of death was wide open – Colombia, Holland, Mexico and Nigeria all fancied their chances. Mexico drew first blood, beating Colombia 2-1, Guardado and Marquez with the goals, and in the other game, Nigeria led Holland for a long time before Centre Back 2 popped up with a crucial equaliser for a 1-1 draw. He won man of the match for his sterling efforts.

Having impressed against Holland, Nigeria then beat Mexico 2-1, giving themselves a wonderful chance of progression. Holland found themselves needing a result against Colombia, and when Van Persie scored in the first half, things looked up. But Moreno equalised for Colombia, and despite the South Americans going down to ten men when Falcao was dismissed with half an hour remaining, Holland couldn't find the winner they needed. But in the 89th minute, Maduro finally broke Colombian resistance, and Holland sneaked a 2-1 victory.

All this left Nigeria and Holland with identical records at the top, with Mexico just one point behind them. Nigeria seemed to be confirming their place in the next round, going 2-0 up on Colombia, but they came back, equalising in the second minute of injury time for 2-2. But there was still time for a Nigerian winner in a thrilling game, and they secured their qualification 3-2.

That meant Holland just needed a draw against Mexico, and they got it despite being on the back foot most of the game. It ended goalless, but Holland are not looking convincing.

Group H:

Germany looked to have an easy group, their only real threat coming from Russia. But after Centre Back 1 helped them to a 1-0 win over the Russians, they looked to have navigated their difficult game. In the other tie, Ecuador beat Saudi Arabia 2-0.

Russia bounced back in style, hammering Saudi Arabia 4-0 in their next game, all the goals coming in the first half, while Germany survived a late revival by Ecuador to hang on to a 2-1 win, confirming their qualification.

With Germany already through, the only match to matter was Russia's tie with Ecuador – the winner would go through, Russia's better goal difference meaning the draw favoured them.

Eventually, Russia won 2-1 to go through, while Germany's 2-0 win over Saudi Arabia gave them the perfect record.

Summary

The biggest shock of the group stage was Portugal losing to Peru in the final game to go out. All the other big nations made it through. Croatia's Olic leads the scoring charts with four, while France's Obertan has managed the impressive feat of man of the match in all three games so far.

[kipfizh]

Second Round: (group winners on the left):

1. Italy v Czech Rep
2. England v Chile
3. Croatia v Ivory Coast
4. Argentina v Brazil
5. Scotland v Peru
6. France v Spain
7. Nigeria v Russia
8. Germany v Holland

Quarter Finals:
9. Winner of 1 v Winner of 4
10. Winner of 2 v Winner of 3
11. Winner of 5 v Winner of 8
12. Winner of 6 v Winner of 7

Semi Finals:

13. Winner of 9 v Winner of 12
14. Winner of 10 v Winner of 11

Final:

15. Winner of 13 v Winner of 14

Some mouthwatering clashes there – hosts Brazil play Argentina, France play Spain, and Germany face Holland in a series of neighbourly ties.

[Blanco]

But England's defence is shaky with Idiot Goalkeeper running the show

You would have thought that Capello would know not to pick him, with a name like that

[BenArsenal]

It's very interesting to note Scotland's improvement. Beating Spain is quite an achievement.

They also have 6 European spots through their coefficients, which means half the league qualifies for Europe.

[BenArsenal]

Predictions

Second Round: (group winners on the left):

1. Italy 2 Czech Rep 0
2. England 3 Chile 1
3. Croatia 1 Ivory Coast 0
4. Argentina 1 Brazil 2
5. Scotland 2 Peru 0
6. France 1 Spain 2
7. Nigeria 1 Russia 2
8. Germany 1 Holland 2

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy 1 Brazil 2
10. England 2 Croatia 0
11. Scotland 1 Germany 2
12. Spain 2 Russia 0

Semi Finals:

13. Brazil 2 Spain 1
14. England 1 Germany 0

Final:

15. Brazil v England


England to face old foes Croatia and Germany en route to the final. Brazil as hosts to just about squeak through.

[Lord_Seifer]

1. Italy v Czech Rep: Italy
2. England v Chile: England
3. Croatia v Ivory Coast: Croatia
4. Argentina v Brazil: Brazil
5. Scotland v Peru: Scotland
6. France v Spain: Spain
7. Nigeria v Russia: Russia
8. Germany v Holland: Germany

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy v Brazil: Brazil
10. England v Croatia: England
11. Scotland v Germany: Germany
12. Spain v Russia: Spain

Semi Finals:

13. Brazil v Spain: Spain
14. England v Germany: Germany

Final:

15. Spain v Germany: Spain

For the record, go sheriffs =D

[kipfizh]

Predictions

Second Round: (group winners on the left):

1. Italy 2 Czech Rep 0
2. England 3 Chile 1
3. Croatia 1 Ivory Coast 0
4. Argentina 1 Brazil 2
5. Scotland 2 Peru 0
6. France 1 Spain 2
7. Nigeria 1 Russia 2
8. Germany 1 Holland 2

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy 1 Brazil 2
10. England 2 Croatia 0
11. Scotland 1 Germany 2
12. Spain 2 Russia 0

Semi Finals:

13. Brazil 2 Spain 1
14. England 1 Germany 0

Final:

15. Brazil v England


England to face old foes Croatia and Germany en route to the final. Brazil as hosts to just about squeak through.

Impressive how Germany reach the semi finals after losing in the second round Did Holland get thrown out?

[BenArsenal]

Impressive how Germany reach the semi finals after losing in the second round Did Holland get thrown out?

Oh blimey.

I actually meant Germany 2 Holland 1.

Oops.

[Israeli1984]

Your Thread has inspired to do the same exp. in Israel.
I started a team called Israel's legends containing 22 of Israel's hall of famers (to spice things up a little bit), gave them a CA of 120 & PA of 200.
Started a game with only the israeli leagues playable meanwhile to see that the DB is not corrupted or anything like that.
In their 1st season the team has won the israeli national league (2nd league in israel) with a record of 31 - 1 -1 in 33 games and a goal difference of 191 - 7 (that must be due to the fact that in this league the CA of good players is around 75-80) !!!
The team was running strong in league cup as well winning it , and reaching the semi final of Israeli cup just to get thrashed by a mediocre Hapoel Petach Tikva side 4-0 in the national stadium of Ramat -Gan.
Only 5 starlets had left the team in the January 2009 transfers window - they signed for premier league teams in Israel (3 went to Hapoel Tel Aviv, 1 to Maccabi Tel Aviv and 1 to Maccabi Petach Tikva).
In the summer though, the team saw a massive exodus with not less than 14 starlets leaving it - mostly for average European teams (including Lyon, Fiorentina, Ajax, Porto, Shakhtar) leaving the team with only 3 players from it's original starlets squad.
This grand exodus came thanks to an historical performance of the Israeli U19 squad in the Euro U19, winning it easily with a 3-0 win against the evil Germans at the final (5 starlets at the starting line up).
By now , 3 of the players had made it to the national team squad (all Israelis of course), 18 to the U21, and 1 fellow managed to get only to the juvenile squad of Israel.
The best CA starlet as for July 2009 is one of it's strikers who reached an amazing 159 (started at 120) in only one season!
They have all gotten better this year, with the worst of them reaching a CA of 131 (+11 which is not bad).
Keep u posted for the second season.


B.T.W - sorry for the bad english ...

[StewartJRobertson]

Your Thread has inspired to do the same exp. in Israel.
I started a team called Israel's legends containing 22 of Israel's hall of famers (to spice things up a little bit), gave them a CA of 120 & PA of 200.
Started a game with only the israeli leagues playable meanwhile to see that the DB is not corrupted or anything like that.
In their 1st season the team has won the israeli national league (2nd league in israel) with a record of 31 - 1 -1 in 33 games and a goal difference of 191 - 7 (that must be due to the fact that in this league the CA of good players is around 75-80) !!!
The team was running strong in league cup as well winning it , and reaching the semi final of Israeli cup just to get thrashed by a mediocre Hapoel Petach Tikva side 4-0 in the national stadium of Ramat -Gan.
Only 5 starlets had left the team in the January 2009 transfers window - they signed for premier league teams in Israel (3 went to Hapoel Tel Aviv, 1 to Maccabi Tel Aviv and 1 to Maccabi Petach Tikva).
In the summer though, the team saw a massive exodus with not less than 14 starlets leaving it - mostly for average European teams (including Lyon, Fiorentina, Ajax, Porto, Shakhtar) leaving the team with only 3 players from it's original starlets squad.
This grand exodus came thanks to an historical performance of the Israeli U19 squad in the Euro U19, winning it easily with a 3-0 win against the evil Germans at the final (5 starlets at the starting line up).
By now , 3 of the players had made it to the national team squad (all Israelis of course), 18 to the U21, and 1 fellow managed to get only to the juvenile squad of Israel.
The best CA starlet as for July 2009 is one of it's strikers who reached an amazing 159 (started at 120) in only one season!
They have all gotten better this year, with the worst of them reaching a CA of 131 (+11 which is not bad).
Keep u posted for the second season.


B.T.W - sorry for the bad english ...

Any chance you could post the results of your experiment in a different thread mate? Im all for you trying out your own thing, but it seems like your hitchhiking on the popularity of this thread to get people to read about your experiment. Good luck with it, but not here please!

[StewartJRobertson]

Predictions:

1. Italy v Czech Rep - Italy
2. England v Chile - England
3. Croatia v Ivory Coast -Croatia
4. Argentina v Brazil - Argentina
5. Scotland v Peru - Scotland
6. France v Spain - Spain
7. Nigeria v Russia - Nigeria
8. Germany v Holland - Holland

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy v Argentina - Argentina
10. England v Croatia - England
11. Scotland v Holland - Holland
12. Spain v Nigeria - Spain

Semi Finals:

13. Argentina v Spain - Argentina
14. England v Holland - England

Final:

15. Argentina v England

I reckon England will prove too strong for the competition. Being Scottish, i hope im wrong and Scotland destroy all in their path, but i just dont see it

[Darkwain]

1. Italy 3 Czech Rep 1
2. England 3 Chile 2
3. Croatia 1 Ivory Coast 1 Croatia to go through on pens
4. Argentina 1 Brazil 2 (AET)
5. Scotland 3 Peru 0
6. France 1 Spain 2
7. Nigeria 0 Russia 4
8. Germany 2 Holland 3 (AET)

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy 2 Brazil 1
10. England 2 Croatia 1 (AET)
11. Scotland 1 Germany 0
12. Spain 2 Russia 0

Semi Finals:

13. Italy 2 Spain 1 (AET)
14. England 1 Scotland 1 - Scotland to win on Penalties

Final:

15. Italy 1 Scotland 2

Im pushing for the major shock, basically implying the presence of the 2 starlets have improved the quality of the Scottish game enough to provide this shock - and im scottish therefore biased

[spartans5]

Wow, Germany is really good at going through to the Quarterfinals while scoring fewer goals than Holland

[5ergio]

Predictions:


Second Round: (group winners on the left):

1. Italy v Czech Rep ~~ 3-1
2. England v Chile ~~ 2-0
3. Croatia v Ivory Coast ~~ 1-2
4. Argentina v Brazil ~~ 2-2 (Argentina on penalties)
5. Scotland v Peru ~~ 2-1
6. France v Spain ~~ 0-1
7. Nigeria v Russia ~~ 1-1 (Nigeria on penalties)
8. Germany v Holland ~~ 1-0

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy v Argentina ~~ 1-1 (Italy on penalties)
10. England v Ivory Coast ~~ 3-1
11. Scotland v Germany ~~ 0-2
12. Spain v Nigeria ~~ 2-0

Semi Finals:

13. Italy v Spain ~~ 2-2 (Spain on penalties)
14. England v Germany ~~ 1-1 (Germany on penalties)

Final:

15. Spain v Germany ~~ 2-1 (AET)


England will surely go out on penalties

[deltablue]

Don't often predict as I'm awful at it, but might as well start making a habit of it for extra interest

Italy v Czech Rep: Italy but maybe only by a goal given the Czechs gave England a scare
England v Chile: England superstars too good for most teams, certainly at Chile's level
Croatia v Ivory Coast: Croatia shouldn't have that much trouble here
Argentina v Brazil: so tight to call, maybe just Argentina, wouldn't be surprised if it needed extra time or pens
Scotland v Peru: Tempting to say Peru but they used up all their luck to make it this far so probably scotland
France v Spain: Another toughie, maybe France to just sneak it
Nigeria v Russia: Instincts just say Nigeria though I have a sneaking suspicion Russia will prove me wrong
Germany v Holland: I'm sure Holland will move up a few gears, so actually think they might get through, so I'll take a stab and go for them.

[Israeli1984]

sorry that's really not what i intended to do ... just wanted to report a little bit from my view and got carried away i guess...

[Striker475]

Second Round: (group winners on the left):

1. Italy v Czech Rep
2. England v Chile
3. Croatia v Ivory Coast
4. Argentina v Brazil
5. Scotland v Peru
6. France v Spain
7. Nigeria v Russia
8. Germany v Holland

Quarter Finals:
9. Italy v Brazil
10. England v Croatia
11. Scotland v Holland
12. Spain v Russia

Semi Finals:

13. Brazil v Spain
14. England v Holland

Runnerup:
Spain v Holland

Final:
15. Brazil v England

[kipfizh]

World Cup 2014 – Second Round

Remaining starlets:
Goalkeeper 1 (Argentina)
Goalkeeper 2 (Brazil)
Left Back 1 (England)
Right Back 1 (England)
Right Back 2 (France)
Centre Back 1 (Germany)
Centre Back 2 (Holland)
Centre Back 3 (Italy)
Centre Back 4 (England)
Left Mid 1 (England)
Left Mid 2 (England)
Right Mid 1 (England)
Right Mid 2 (England)
Centre Mid 1 (England)
Centre Mid 3 (England)
Centre Mid 4 (England)
Striker 1 (Spain)
Striker 2 (England)
Striker 3 (England)
Striker 4 (England)

Remaining idiots
Idiot Goalkeeper (England)

Remaining world stars
Messi (Argentina)
Casillas (Spain)
Kaka (Brazil)

Italy v Czech Rep

Italy dominated the early stages, and were well worth the 1-0 lead that was given to them by Montolivo. Shortly before half time, they moved into a position of great control, Rossi doubling their lead.

In the second half, Czech Rep tried to make a game of it, but despite Heidenreich's 89th minute consolation, they went out. Centre Back 3 played okay for Italy.

England v Chile

Favourites England peppered the Chilean goal in the first half, Left Mid 2 putting them into a half time lead, but in the second period, Fierro equalised for the South Americans. England threw everything they had at the goal, and finally got their reward in injury time, Striker 2 scoring the winner in a 2-1 victory. They still look unconvincing.

Croatia v Ivory Coast

Both these nations were surprise packages from the group stages, especially Croatia, who had topped Brazil's group. An even first half produced no goals, but in the second period Emerse Fae put the Africans into the lead on the hour. Croatia had lost the tournament's leading scorer, Olic, to injury early in the game, and were struggling to find the equaliser, but eventually, with twelve minutes left on the clock, Modric made it 1-1.

That was how it stayed going into injury time, but with extra time beckoning, Ivory Coast won a dubious penalty after a fair looking tackle, and Romaric stepped up to send them through 2-1.

Argentina v Brazil

Brazil brought their big guns back for the knockout stages, and after forcing Argentina back for the entire first half, one of them struck – Kaka finding the net past Goalkeeper 1 on the stroke of half time.

A minute into the second half, Hernanes made it two, and from there on, Argentina were a spent force, the few efforts they managed easily dealt with by Goalkeeper 2. Messi had a quiet game for Argentina.

Scotland v Peru

Peru had produced the shock of the group stage, knocking Portugal out, but Scotland's win over Spain was as impressive a feat. It was the Scots who drew first blood, Glen scoring in the eighth minute, before Manco equalised for Peru to make the score 1-1 at half time.

An open and entertaining match continued after the break, and with 25 minutes left, Manco scored again to put Peru into the lead, before O'Conner equaliser with eight minutes remaining. That was how it ended, and the tie went to extra time.

Scotland continued to press in the added half an hour, but were scuppered with eleven minutes left when Scott Brown picked up his second yellow card. Peru were unable to take advantage, and with nothing to separate them, penalties were inevitable.

The standard of penalties was exceptional, both sides scoring their first four kicks, but when Bonet stepped up to take Peru's final one, he struck the woodwork. Thomson had the chance to put Scotland through, and he converted confidently for a 5-4 win.

France v Spain

This was always likely to be feisty affair, but the 90 minutes lacked incident, except for Right Back 2 pulling up with a thigh strain, an injury that is likely to last two weeks, a massive blow to France.

The game itself was close, and once it had gone to extra time the drama began. In the first period, David Silva picked up a dead leg in a hard tackle, and with Spain already having used their three substitutes, they went down to ten men. In injury time at the end of the first period, Azpilicueta followed him off the pitch with fractured ribs as the game got more heated. Suddenly it was eleven against nine, with Spain right up against it.

Early in the second period, France got their chance to take advantage, being awarded a dubious penalty by Howard Webb. Bodmer strode up to take it, but Casillas palmed it away. But with Spain hanging on, France pushed forward more and more, and eventually Mexes put them through 1-0 with a goal four minutes from time.

Spain were out, hampered massively by injuries. It isn't to be their year.

Nigeria v Russia

Nigeria had impressed in the group stages, but were quickly up against it against Russia, who came flying out of the blocks. But after weathering the early storm, Mikel put Nigeria ahead, and Etuhu doubled the lead just minutes later, putting Russia in massive trouble.

Just after the half hour, Russia got back into the game, Pogrebnyak scoring to make it 2-1, but despite concerted pressure, they were unable to find an equaliser, and Nigeria went through.

Germany v Holland

The two sides had come into the knockout on opposing form – Germany had cruised through while Holland had to fight every inch. But when the locked horns, the match was extremely tight. Centre Back 1 was missing for Germany with a pulled hamstring, but Centre Back 2 was marshalling the Dutch defence, and guided them to a 0-0 draw.

In extra time, the deadlock was finally broken, Maduro scoring early in the first period to put Holland ahead, but just after the break, substitute Ballack equalised. Ballack then went from hero to villain, picking up his second yellow card, but Holland were unable to take advantage and the tie went to penalties.

The standard of spot kicks was outstanding, both sides scoring all five of their regular kicks, and Centre Back 2 being successful with the final one of those. In the first round of sudden death, Keibling scored for Germany, but Drenthe held his nerve to level it up for the Dutch.

With kick seven, Germany finally faltered, Stekelenburg saving Boateng's kick, before de Jong smashed home the winning penalty, putting Holland through 7-6.

[damienroden]

England v Scotland Semi (possibly)

[BuffaloPhil]

World Cup 2014 – Second Round
France v Spain

This was always likely to be feisty affair, but the 90 minutes lacked incident, except for Right Back 2 pulling up with a thigh strain, an injury that is likely to last two weeks, a massive blow to France.

The game itself was close, and once it had gone to extra time the drama began. In the first period, David Silva picked up a dead leg in a hard tackle, and with Spain already having used their three substitutes, they went down to ten men. In injury time at the end of the first period, Azpilicueta followed him off the pitch with fractured ribs as the game got more heated. Suddenly it was eleven against nine, with Spain right up against it.

Early in the second period, France got their chance to take advantage, being awarded a dubious penalty by Howard Webb. Bodmer strode up to take it, but Casillas palmed it away. But with Spain hanging on, France pushed forward more and more, and eventually Mexes put them through 1-0 with a goal four minutes from time.

Spain were out, hampered massively by injuries. It isn't to be their year.

No, I don't believe it. Webb doesn't give dubious penalties. Oh, wait... he does. He just doesn't give stonewall penalties.

[deltablue]

Well, pretty close and competitive stuff. Managed to get a few non-obvious predictions right as well. Realized in bed last night that Brazil was hosting and therefore easily overcame any advantage I thought Argentina would have, but it was so easy in the end that I'd have been wrong anyway.

[FlownCanary]

As a quick prediction, I just don't see England losing this. Even with Idiot Goalkeeper I'm sure they'll pull through. Unless we get penalties of course....

[iacovone]

Yep England all the way for me here. Although I'd rejoice in an African win just for the shock of it all.

Still following the Sheriffs with a passion, what a season next year could be - slightly worried about the strength of the Bandits squad though

[Sir_Liam]

Extraordinary season from the Bandits, although it was inevitable with the squad they've put together.

One point though, and I've noticed that most of the starlets seem stuck on a CA of 199, and the 4 world stars all stayed 1 point below their PA. Seems strange that none of those players have made it all the way.

[deltablue]

slightly worried about the strength of the Bandits squad though

Darn right you should be.

[Greasy Chip Butty]

Bandits vs. Sheriffs in the Play Off Final next season. Sheriffs to win it!

I would expect Kip to find a way for us to watch it live!

[deltablue]

Oh if only he could. Sadly I doubt its possible but if it was that would be great. I think that's something we can all agree on, Bandits and Sheriffs alike.

[Falcore]

Oh if only he could. Sadly I doubt its possible but if it was that would be great. I think that's something we can all agree on, Bandits and Sheriffs alike.

On the contrary it should be possible to create a live stream directly from his computer

[betterspud]

I think maybe he's got more than enough to do with all the reports and stuff. Asking for a live feed might be a little too greedy.

[Northerm Lights]

I think maybe he's got more than enough to do with all the reports and stuff. Asking for a live feed might be a little too greedy.

Maybe all if we asked Kip directly he may take it seriously..... assuming the Sheriffs dont get automaic promotion

(my 1st ever post!)

[roberto922]

Sopcast, it's the future.

[leonavich]

Can't wait for the next round of this world cup. Looks like there could be a few more upsets to come. I'm cheering on either Nigeria or Italy though!

[dovEs]

It will be interesting to see if the stars have more or less influence on international competitions than in the last experiment.

[markymarky]

re. Bandits v Sheriffs playoffs final - no need to have Kip stream or whatever. What he should be doing, if he really values our investment in his experiment, is: booking Wembley for the day, hiring two squads of footballers, inviting us all along, and having the match play out precisely as it happened on his savegame. (It may take a little rehearsal.)

It's the only real option.

[5ergio]

Whoa! I'm definitely booking a flight if that'll be happening There won't be a playoff final like Bandits vs. Sheriffs though. Either, we'll end up getting straight promotion or Sheriffs crash out before the final or not even making the playoff spots.

Up the Bandits!

[The_shocker7]

is its just me thats excited about the possible signings that could be made now they're in the championship?!

[kipfizh]

One point though, and I've noticed that most of the starlets seem stuck on a CA of 199, and the 4 world stars all stayed 1 point below their PA. Seems strange that none of those players have made it all the way.

Yes, I've noticed this too, and have come to the conclusion that it is impossible in FM09 to progress to your CA if you are not born with it.

I've done a Genie Scout search, and there are a bunch of players with equal CA and PA, but the highest value of such a player is only 140. Moreover, he is 25, and as such was already 19 when the game started. Quite possible, he was already at his peak.

Similarly, all other players were in the game from the start until you get down to CA 90, where we find a 20 year old regen. With these players, their PA is sufficiently low that their CA may have begun at the same level.

Of course, this is speculation. But it is interesting that no player over 150 is at his peak, and were it possible, you would imagine the likes of Messi would get there, being one point off so early in their career.

[kipfizh]

Bandits vs. Sheriffs in the Play Off Final next season. Sheriffs to win it!

I would expect Kip to find a way for us to watch it live!

I'd love it to happen, although you know I'd just be a git, do a match report up to the day of the final and then disappear for a fortnight

[kipfizh]

World Cup 2014 – Quarter Final

Remaining starlets:
Goalkeeper 2 (Brazil)
Left Back 1 (England)
Right Back 1 (England)
Right Back 2 (France)
Centre Back 2 (Holland)
Centre Back 3 (Italy)
Centre Back 4 (England)
Left Mid 1 (England)
Left Mid 2 (England)
Right Mid 1 (England)
Right Mid 2 (England)
Centre Mid 1 (England)
Centre Mid 3 (England)
Centre Mid 4 (England)
Striker 2 (England)
Striker 3 (England)
Striker 4 (England)

Remaining idiots
Idiot Goalkeeper (England)

Remaining world stars
Kaka (Brazil)

Kaka is now the only remaining world star.

Italy v Brazil

The glamour tie of the round was more open than anyone could have imagined, Italy and Brazil going at each other with everything they had. Brazil had more attempts on goal, but Italy certainly had the better of the chances, and it took two outstanding goalkeeping displays to keep it goalless for ninety minutes.

Buffon and Goalkeeper 2 continued where they left off in extra time, saving everything thrown at them, and penalties were inevitable. No player fancied their chances of scoring against the two men, both at the peak of their game.

But the first four kicks were clinical, and the shoot out was poised at 2-2. But then disaster struck for the home side, Marcelo seeing his spot kick saved by Buffon. Cigarini stepped up to put Italy 3-2 in front.

Then it got worse for Brazil – Sidnei's kick was also saved by Buffon, and Montolivo had the chance to put Italy through with a penalty to spare. But Goalkeeper 2 came to the rescue, and the shoot out continued.

Pato still had to score the final kick for Brazil to keep them involved, but Buffon made his third consecutive save, and Italy were through.

It was an outstanding display of keeping – Goalkeeper 2 won man of the match, but Buffon made the saves that mattered. Centre Back 3 also had a good game for Italy.

England v Ivory Coast

England continued to have kind draws, although the Ivory Coast were certain to put up quite a fight, and had impressed so far.

But England were the heavy favourites, and struck after only five minutes, Strike 4 putting them ahead. Right Mid 1 added to the lead after 24 minutes, and England were cruising.

Throughout the game, England absolutely battered the Ivory Coast goal, but keeper Loboue was keeping the score down, hoping his team could pinch a goal at the other end, defence certainly England's weakness.

And with seven minutes left, they did just that, Romaric giving them a glimmer of hope at 2-1. And then, with a minute to go, they equalised, Kone striking to take the match into extra time.

England were fired up, and redoubled their attempts in the added period, and on the stroke of half time Left Mid 1 put them back in front. With four minutes to go, the Ivory Coast were finally finished off by Gerrard, the final score 4-2. England had an incredible 43 shots on goal, 24 on target, but they've conceded six goals in the tournament now, and don't look as convincing as they should.

Scotland v Holland

Scotland started the brighter, so it was against the run of play when Holland took the lead after ten minutes, Aissati putting them in front. The Dutch continued to look shaky at the back, Centre Back 2 not having the best of afternoons, but Scotland were unable to capitalise, and early in the second half Huntelaar doubled Holland's advantage.

Scotland pressed forward, and were handed a lifeline when Emanuelson picked up a straight red card for a ridiculous two footed challenge, but they held firm, and despite struggling in all their matches, Holland were in the semi finals.

France v Nigeria

France continued to be without Right Back 2 through injury, but when Konko put them ahead after 14 minutes, they were good value for their lead.

And in a disappointing match, that was largely the last of the action. Right Back 2 is touch and go for the semi finals, his thigh strain expected to last 3-5 more days. He may only make the final if they get there.

[BenArsenal]

Another all European semi-final.

Trust England to **** up, again.

[hozhoz]

Wow just discovered this thread, and what a discovery it has been! KUTGW, I'm loving it so far Just spent three hours reading it all

[damienroden]

read the old one hozhoz.

[AB-forever]

Once again, great update Kip! I think Holland will win this thing

[kipfizh]

World Cup 2014 – Semi Final

Remaining starlets:
Left Back 1 (England)
Right Back 1 (England)
Right Back 2 (France)
Centre Back 2 (Holland)
Centre Back 3 (Italy)
Centre Back 4 (England)
Left Mid 1 (England)
Left Mid 2 (England)
Right Mid 1 (England)
Right Mid 2 (England)
Centre Mid 1 (England)
Centre Mid 3 (England)
Centre Mid 4 (England)
Striker 2 (England)
Striker 3 (England)
Striker 4 (England)

Remaining idiots
Idiot Goalkeeper (England)

Remaining world stars
None

Italy v France

Right Back 2 wasn't fit enough to start for France but after recovering from his thigh strain took his place on the bench. Centre Back 3 lined up in the centre of Italy's defence.

An extremely even first half had just one major incident, Montolivo having a penalty for Italy saved by Lloris. Into the second half, and Balotelli put Italy in front, before Howard Webb awarded them a second penalty minutes later. Montolivo was still on the field, but chose not to take this one, Mazzarani stroking it home to put Italy into a commanding position.

Before long, France were back in it – Monnet-Paquet scoring to get the match back to 2-1, but that was as close as they got, and Italy moved into the final, giving themselves the chance of winning the trophy for an unprecedented third time in a row.

England v Holland

As they have in so many games in this tournament, England got off to a flyer, Striker 2 scoring after only five minutes, and by the half hour mark, they had stamped their authority on the game, Left Mid 1 making it 2-0.

Early in the second half, Centre Back 2, easily Holland's best player, rose highest to pull a goal back, but with Rob Green chosen ahead of Idiot Goalkeeper, England were a little more solid at the back, and held out for the win.

[Mravac Kid]

... What, we'll have another penalty-shootout final?
Or is England gonna break the tradition and actually fail to be knocked out on penalties?

[magicmastermind124]

I'm just wondering if it is possible for you to save the match for the World Cup Final and upload it on the web? That way we can watch the match.
Not sure if you can do this for a club you do not manage though. But if so it might be worth doing the high profile matches too. Like Bandits v Sheriffs.

[coldkohmew]

maybe another red card?

[betterspud]

I'm just wondering if it is possible for you to save the match for the World Cup Final and upload it on the web? That way we can watch the match.
Not sure if you can do this for a club you do not manage though. But if so it might be worth doing the high profile matches too. Like Bandits v Sheriffs.

I think it would only be possible if the database was supplied with it. That way Kip could upload the match highlights for anyone that wants to watch it.

[wisescummer]

I think there's a way of putting matches on youtube, but I might just be talking out my arse.

[deltablue]

Ah, there is. I remember seeing it a while ago.

[AB-forever]

I think it would only be possible if the database was supplied with it. That way Kip could upload the match highlights for anyone that wants to watch it.

No it should be possible to just upload the .pkm-file

[TinkHolloway]

Just thought I would add to the masses of positive feedback for this thread, I happened upon it about a month ago and couldn't tear myself away, the discipline required for the depth of write ups is what impresses me the most. In fact, it even inspired me to register just in order to give you the Kudos you deserve.

All hail Kipfizh!

[kipfizh]

Thanks for the compliments folks

[kipfizh]

World Cup 2014 – Final

Remaining starlets:
Left Back 1 (England)
Right Back 1 (England)
Centre Back 3 (Italy)
Centre Back 4 (England)
Left Mid 1 (England)
Left Mid 2 (England)
Right Mid 1 (England)
Right Mid 2 (England)
Centre Mid 1 (England)
Centre Mid 3 (England)
Centre Mid 4 (England)
Striker 2 (England)
Striker 3 (England)
Striker 4 (England)

Remaining idiots
Idiot Goalkeeper (England)

Remaining world stars
None

Italy v England

A Buffon-inspired Italy had knocked England out of the European Championships two years ago on penalties, and England were looking for revenge. Italy, meanwhile, were trying to become the first nation in history to win three consecutive World Cups.

Before the final, France secured third spot with a 2-1 victory over Holland, Babel's goal not enough to counter Konko's and a penalty from Toulalan.

The first half of the final itself was cagey, the bulk of the match being played in the middle third. Neither keeper was being heavily tested, and it looked as if the half would come to an end with the final scoreless. But in injury time, Italy took the lead, Quagliarella scoring for the champions, and the game took on a different complexion.

In the second half, Italy played some excellent possession football, restricting England's chances, and having better opportunities themselves. However, they weren't able to take them, and were left counting down time to the final whistle. England huffed and puffed, but never looked like equalising, having just two shots on target in the game, and Italy were champions once again.

Rob Green, picked for the final, was England's best player, which tells you everything – Italy deservedly win their third consecutive World Cup.

Lippi, the Italian coach, resigned after the game, going out on a high, while Argentina were confirmed to be hosting the competition in eight year's time.

Striker 2 was the top scorer with five goals for England, Olic with four, while Centre Mid 3 led the way with four assists. But it wasn't enough for England. Pogrebnyak finished with the highest overall rating.

[dovEs]

Heh FM reflecting real life again then, exactly the kind of damp squib I'd expect from those two teams in a final like.

[damienroden]

Bloody typical Italians.

[Mravac Kid]

I am delighted that Centre Back 3 is honoring the memory of Carlo Lupo, and I hope he becomes even more of a legend.

[leonavich]

on ya center back 3!

[yugo23]

I am glad World Cup is finished now. Next transfer window will be very interesting for both Bandits and Sheriffs.

[Shroom420]

I am glad World Cup is finished now. Next transfer window will be very interesting for both Bandits and Sheriffs.

I agree i see the world cup as a side competition, it's all about the club rivalry and if the Sheriffs are in a better position after being there for a year already.
Personally i want the Bandits to crush the Sheriffs into pieces. The rivalry has been quite healthy for the banter in this thread aswell.

[AB-forever]

Bah bloody Italians...

[wisescummer]

Who was it that said England would inevitably dominate? Plus Centre-back 3 has already beaten Lupo, he never won the world cup!

[Steboyuk]

Hi Kip, havent posted in any of your threads yet, but im a massive fan and have been lurking all this time.

Just like to say, outstanding work I really dont know how you do it.

Also few things I would like to point out about what we have found out about FM's engine.



1. Pace - FAR FAR too overstressed. Pace is hugely overrated in the game, it appears all you need to be succesful which is ridiculous. Looking at the stats of our starlet strikers and there ridiculously good records, its amazing considering there good, but certainly not best in the world stats. 14's for finishing, heading, dribbling etc? Yes they should be very good players, but deadly finishers (such as RVN) should still be a better striker. In real life look at somebody like Ivica Olic - rapid, two good feet and works hard, yes he is a very good player, but hes not in the elite bracket.

2. The Transfer system - both the bandits and the Sheriffs have done some crazy buys. I have been very very impressed with the players they have brought in, it appers they do actually think about constructing a proper squad. However, the players going out have just been ridiculous. It appears that a players stature at a club means nothing. Nathan Tyson for example should NEVER have been released - if that happened in real life there wouldve been a riot. It also tells us there is not enough transfer ACTIVITY in the game. Look at the players leaving the club - why have no teams bid for them? Or why didnt they go on the bosman ruling instead of being released to obscurity. For example players like Kilbey and Howarth should have had interest. CM 01/02 had a far better system, where interest of some sorts was always there when clubs realised you would be happy to let players go, or if the player wanted to leave. This should happen more often. In my current Staines game, I have taken the club to League Two from the BSS with the exact same squad - in the SIX seasons I did this, I received NO bids from ANY club for ANY of my players. Ridiculous.

3. Why are all the star players stats exactly the same? Couldent they be different to see (apart from pace obviousley) are the main stats? Why isnt there a target man striker? A playmaker forward? A goal poacher? Its a shame.

But brilliant work Kip, KUTGW!

[Heisenberg]

Been away for a while (moved house, no internet) so coming back to a load of Bandits updates was brilliant. KUTGW Kip, looking forward to the next season!

[aka.arrogantio]

Hi Kip, havent posted in any of your threads yet, but im a massive fan and have been lurking all this time.

Just like to say, outstanding work I really dont know how you do it.

Also few things I would like to point out about what we have found out about FM's engine.



1. Pace - FAR FAR too overstressed. Pace is hugely overrated in the game, it appears all you need to be succesful which is ridiculous. Looking at the stats of our starlet strikers and there ridiculously good records, its amazing considering there good, but certainly not best in the world stats. 14's for finishing, heading, dribbling etc? Yes they should be very good players, but deadly finishers (such as RVN) should still be a better striker. In real life look at somebody like Ivica Olic - rapid, two good feet and works hard, yes he is a very good player, but hes not in the elite bracket.

It's not just about pace though. They're perfectly consistent, motivated and invulnerable to the pressures facing normal strikers, genuinely two footed (RVN's weaker foot is a fair bit less than 14 finishing), have Drogba-like ability to win the ball in the air and no weaknesses to their game.

I'd say that the ambidextrous love-child of Steven Gerrard, Didier Drogba and Thierry Henry would have a pretty impressive scoring rate. Olic would score hatfuls if he had nerves of steel, a better first touch, a big aerial threat and always played up front

[FlownCanary]

BTW, it was me that said England would dominate, so I'm all embarrassed now...

It's really not too surprising we lost the final, but with our squad (and especially former canary Rob Green! ) we should have won! But never mind, onto next season where the Bandits will definitely overtake the Sherrifs!

Oh, damn! There I go making predictions again!

[cr4z3d]

Damn! I just took a couple of hours to get through this thread. I want more!!!!!

KUTGW!

[Steboyuk]

It's not just about pace though. They're perfectly consistent, motivated and invulnerable to the pressures facing normal strikers, genuinely two footed (RVN's weaker foot is a fair bit less than 14 finishing), have Drogba-like ability to win the ball in the air and no weaknesses to their game.

I'd say that the ambidextrous love-child of Steven Gerrard, Didier Drogba and Thierry Henry would have a pretty impressive scoring rate. Olic would score hatfuls if he had nerves of steel, a better first touch, a big aerial threat and always played up front

How do they have a 'Drogba like ability' to win the ball in the air? They have 15 for jumping and 15 for strength, yes, decent but certainly not enough to properly dominate in the air, and 'no weaknesses'? what about all their technical attributes? NONE above 15, poor finishers either on the ground or in the air, passing of 12? pretty poor for the best striker in the game isnt it? How does being motivated assist your finishing, it dosent, and if in game it does thats simply ludicrous - finishing is a past art, and should be a much bigger attribute as a striker than it is.

[Meitheisman]

It's not just motivation, it's all the mental attributes being high that lead to better performances. Compare Anelka and Raul if you want. Anelka was way faster than Raul, stronger and most certainly a better finisher too yet he acted like a **** for years and all he managed to get was transfer money. On the other hand Raul who's physical attributes aren't that impressive holds about a million records at one of the greatest football club ever and has more caps than anyone else for his country because he's got a great mentality, will alway fight, never gives up and actually works hard.

[aka.arrogantio]

How do they have a 'Drogba like ability' to win the ball in the air? They have 15 for jumping and 15 for strength, yes, decent but certainly not enough to properly dominate in the air, and 'no weaknesses'? what about all their technical attributes? NONE above 15, poor finishers either on the ground or in the air, passing of 12? pretty poor for the best striker in the game isnt it? How does being motivated assist your finishing, it dosent, and if in game it does thats simply ludicrous - finishing is a past art, and should be a much bigger attribute as a striker than it is.

John Terry, one of the Premiership's top commanding centre backs, has jumping and strength of only 16, so a player with 15 jumping and strength is going to win plenty of aerial challenges.

Attributes of 14 and 15 are not weaknesses. There are only a handful of strikers in the Prem with finishing over 15 (9 of them in the FM10 demo) and none of them are quick and good in the air. None of them are flair players who can also cross, win the ball off opponents, have a half decent strike from distance.

Natural levels of confidence and consistency are massive boosts to a players' ability to finish (in many goalscoring opportunities, more important than the technical ability to strike the ball powerfully and accurately in a particular direction). I can't believe that anyone would argue otherwise

[The_shocker7]

up the sheriffs!

[John Smith]

Great read. Hope this will continue. You should add a poll at the top to see who supports Bandits or Sheriffs. Would be interesting to know who has more supporters.