9.3.0 Coach Formula

[AJetsOf]

ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2
>= 270 -> 7
>= 240 -> 6
>= 210 -> 5

goalkeeper

gk * 2 + ddm
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

tactics

tac * 2 + ddm
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

ball control

tec * 6 + men * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

defense

def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3
>=360 -> 7
>=320 -> 6
>=280 -> 5

attack

att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

shooting

tec * 6 + att * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

set pieces

(att + men + tec) * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

example:


strength, aerobics
fit 20 + ddm>= 45 =7
fit 19 + ddm>= 50 =7
fit 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
fit 17 + ddm>= 59 =7

goalkeeper
gkp 20 + ddm>= 50 =7
gkp 19 + ddm>= 52 =7
gkp 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
gkp 17 + ddm>= 56 =7
gkp 16 + ddm>= 58 =7
gkp 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

tactics
tac 20 + ddm>= 50 =7
tac 19 + ddm>= 52 =7
tac 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
tac 17 + ddm>= 56 =7
tac 16 + ddm>= 58 =7
tac 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

defense
def 20 + (tac+ ddm)>=67 =7
def 19 + (tac+ ddm)>=70 =7
def 18 + (tac+ ddm)>=72 =7
def 17 + (tac+ ddm)>=75 =7
def 16 + (tac+ ddm)>=78 =7
def 15 + (tac+ ddm)>=80 =7

Example

Some people have difficulty understanding the way I presented it, so here's an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:
det=18 dis=18 mot=18
ddm=18+18+18=54
tac=15
att=18
def=12

Tactics Rating:
15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:
18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:
12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

In a game where a coach (here I used Reulensteen as an example) has those stats, that's the training star rating they will get, as computed above. Depending on your luck, you might get a better or worse Reulensteen than the default setting.


Norwegian translation at: www.fmnorge.com (thanks Hattijr)
Chinese translation at: game.ali213.net (thanks ggamer)

[Lyssien]

Thanks a lot. Weird that "Working with youngsters" is not part of the equation for youth training.

[AJetsOf]

Not sure how it is set, but it wasn't a factor in the star numbers in 08 and earlier 09 patches. Probably a more hidden effect with youngsters I would assume.

[mmfaria]

Great job, mate!

[Maz]

i was just doing this now. oh well great work thanks

[Kritik]

in for later, thanks

[AJetsOf]

I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:
det=18 dis=18 mot=18
ddm=18+18+18=54
tac=15
att=18
def=12

Tactics Rating:
15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:
18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:
12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

[13xForever]

great post

[SiN8]

This is awesome. Can I ask you how you came up with the formulas? I'd imagine it's quite tough to come up with the weights for each of the attributes.

[BobMUFC08]

I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:
det=18 dis=18 mot=18
ddm=18+18+18=54
tac=15
att=18
def=12

Tactics Rating:
15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:
18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:
12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

I hate seeming like an idiot and asking whats probably a stupid question but i dont completly understand, i dont get the *2 bit like for the tactics rating its 15 *2 + 54=84, wheres the *2 come from?

[Maz]

I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:
det=18 dis=18 mot=18
ddm=18+18+18=54
tac=15
att=18
def=12

Tactics Rating:
15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:
18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:
12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

yeh the editor imo is misleading. u can't find more than 3 7* coaches if u use the editor.

[Maz]

I hate seeming like an idiot and asking whats probably a stupid question but i dont completly understand, i dont get the *2 bit like for the tactics rating its 15 *2 + 54=84, wheres the *2 come from?

i'll try to post a more straight forward one and see i u can understand that.

[13xForever]

the example was a tactical coach

his tactics was 15 so u multiply that by 2 which gives you 30.

then u add the DDM which is 54

30+54 would come to a 6 star tactics coach as shown in the first post

[BobMUFC08]

the example was a tactical coach

his tactics was 15 so u multiply that by 2 which gives you 30.

then u add the DDM which is 54

30+54 would come to a 6 star tactics coach as shown in the first post

Thats what i thought but for different coaches its multiplied by different numbers and i couldnt figure out why so i didnt think it was that.

[13xForever]

im not maths boff but AJETSOF must use the *(number) to give a more accurate higher number to be sure the formula was right then hes broke it down into the examples.

just a way of checking really

[Maz]

ok try this. if u have a coach who has
20 for tactics his ddm should egual to 50 for u to get a 7* rating
19 for tactics his ddm should equal to 52
18 for tactics his ddm should equal to 54

[celebritykiller]

ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2
>= 270 -> 7
>= 240 -> 6
>= 210 -> 5

goalkeeper

gk * 2 + ddm
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

tactics

tac * 2 + ddm
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

ball control

tec * 6 + men * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

defense

def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3
>=360 -> 7
>=320 -> 6
>=280 -> 5

attack

att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

shooting

tec * 6 + att * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

set pieces

(att + men + tec) * 3 + ddm * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

example:


strength, aerobics
fit 20 + ddm>= 45 =7
fit 19 + ddm>= 50 =7
fit 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
fit 17 + ddm>= 59 =7

goalkeeper
gkp 20 + ddm>= 50 =7
gkp 19 + ddm>= 52 =7
gkp 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
gkp 17 + ddm>= 56 =7
gkp 16 + ddm>= 58 =7
gkp 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

tactics
tac 20 + ddm>= 50 =7
tac 19 + ddm>= 52 =7
tac 18 + ddm>= 54 =7
tac 17 + ddm>= 56 =7
tac 16 + ddm>= 58 =7
tac 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

defense
def 20 + (tac+ ddm)>=67 =7
def 19 + (tac+ ddm)>=70 =7
def 18 + (tac+ ddm)>=72 =7
def 17 + (tac+ ddm)>=75 =7
def 16 + (tac+ ddm)>=78 =7
def 15 + (tac+ ddm)>=80 =7

Hats off to you for all the effort you've put in there!

[Yonezzz]

Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things.

[Maz]

well what i would like to know is with a 7 star training do the players improve their attributes quickly or is this just another cosmetic feature? do we really need 7* training say for a youngster who has a PA of 190? does he achieve his PA quickly or will it improve at a normal rate?

[BobMUFC08]

I actually understand now, thanks for simpifying it for me everyone, and of course thanks AJetsOf for coming up with this. I was pretty embarassed by the amount of people who understood and i didnt because i unreal at maths at school lol

[13xForever]

a 7 star is a 7 star coach so more over the number wont affect. but its always better to get them abit over the required number as coaching stats can go down like players stats.

shame u cant train staff or put them on coaching courses

[celebritykiller]

Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things.

I would expect the higher the better as to code only 7 discrete levels of training would be a bit simplistic.

[Maz]

but do players improve quickly like this or normal? thats a question i'd like someone to answer. SI we need help

[13xForever]

MAZ

its combined first team football and training but having better coaches will improve him more.

i mean if you have 6 stars on every coach im sure he will reach his potential maybe abit more slower then 7 stars. if you had 1 stars in every coach is unlikely he will become as good.

[Maz]

ok thanks.

[Yonezzz]

I would expect the higher the better as to code only 7 discrete levels of training would be a bit simplistic.

As would I! I guess that does mean that there is another formula that we don't know about, related to attribute increases and rates thereof, and it might be rather more complex.

I guess in the meantime I'll just aim for as many stars as possible!

[Daniel Foster]

Cheers for that!

[Lyssien]

Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things.

13xForever gave you a good answer. Realistically speaking, even if the game takes more levels into account for coaching (which I seriously doubt, because it wouldn't make sense from the programmer's perspective), this is bound to make such a little difference, that it is not going to be discernible.

[catafan]

Great stuff!

It seems there is impossible to get a 7-star coach in some category all over the world

[Phil-The_Almighty]

I ran the numbers and on a quick run through this should show what stats are needed in whats positions based on the above formula.


fit det dis mot =
20 180 20 40 20 40 5 10 270 270
20 180 20 40 19 38 6 12 270
20 180 20 40 18 36 7 14 270
20 180 20 40 17 34 8 16 270
20 180 20 40 16 32 9 18 270

19 171 20 40 20 40 10 20 271 270
19 171 20 40 19 38 11 22 271
19 171 20 40 18 36 12 24 271
19 171 20 40 17 34 13 26 271
19 171 20 40 16 32 14 28 271

18 162 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270
18 162 20 40 19 38 15 30 270
18 162 20 40 18 36 16 32 270
18 162 20 40 17 34 17 34 270
18 162 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

17 153 20 40 20 40 19 38 271 270
17 153 20 40 19 38 20 40 271

GK det dis mot =
20 40 20 20 10 90 90
20 40 20 19 11 90
20 40 20 18 12 90
20 40 20 17 13 90
20 40 20 16 14 90

19 38 20 20 12 90 90
19 38 20 19 13 90
19 38 20 18 14 90
19 38 20 17 15 90
19 38 20 16 16 90

18 36 20 20 14 90 90
18 36 20 19 15 90
18 36 20 18 16 90
18 36 20 17 17 90
18 36 20 16 18 90

17 34 20 20 16 90 90
17 34 20 19 17 90
17 34 20 18 18 90
17 34 20 17 19 90
17 34 20 16 20 90

tac det dis mot =
20 40 20 20 10 90 90
20 40 20 19 11 90
20 40 20 18 12 90
20 40 20 17 13 90
20 40 20 16 14 90

19 38 20 20 12 90 90
19 38 20 19 13 90
19 38 20 18 14 90
19 38 20 17 15 90
19 38 20 16 16 90

18 36 20 20 14 90 90
18 36 20 19 15 90
18 36 20 18 16 90
18 36 20 17 17 90
18 36 20 16 18 90

17 34 20 20 16 90 90
17 34 20 19 17 90
17 34 20 18 18 90
17 34 20 17 19 90
17 34 20 16 20 90

tec(ball control) men det dis mot =
20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270 270
20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271
20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270
20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271
20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270

19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270 270
19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271
19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270
19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271
19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270
18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271
18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270
18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270
17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271
17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

def tac det dis mot = 360
20 160 20 60 20 60 20 60 7 21 361
20 160 19 57 20 60 19 57 9 27 361
20 160 18 54 20 60 18 54 11 33 361
20 160 17 51 20 60 17 51 13 39 361
20 160 16 48 20 60 16 48 15 45 361

19 152 20 60 20 60 20 60 10 30 362 360
19 152 19 57 20 60 19 57 12 36 362
19 152 18 54 20 60 18 54 14 42 362
19 152 17 51 20 60 17 51 16 48 362
19 152 16 48 20 60 16 48 18 54 362

18 144 20 60 20 60 20 60 12 36 360 360
18 144 19 57 20 60 19 57 14 42 360
18 144 18 54 20 60 18 54 16 48 360
18 144 17 51 20 60 17 51 18 54 360
18 144 16 48 20 60 16 48 20 60 360

17 136 20 60 20 60 20 60 15 45 361 360
17 136 19 57 20 60 19 57 17 51 361
17 136 18 54 20 60 18 54 19 57 361

att tac det dis mot = 270
20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270
20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271
20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270
20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271
20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270

19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270 270
19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271
19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270
19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271
19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270
18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271
18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270
18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270
17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271
17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

tec(shooting) att det dis mot = 270
20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270
20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271
20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270
20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271
20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270
270
19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270
19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271
19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270
19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271
19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270
18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271
18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270
18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270
17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271
17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

att(set pieces) men tec (sub tot) det dis mot = 270
20 20 20 180 20 40 20 40 5 10 270
20 20 20 180 20 40 19 38 6 12 270
20 20 20 180 20 40 18 36 7 14 270
20 20 20 180 20 40 17 34 8 16 270
20 20 20 180 20 40 16 32 9 18 270
270
19 19 19 171 20 40 20 40 10 20 271
19 19 19 171 20 40 19 38 11 22 271
19 19 19 171 20 40 18 36 12 24 271
19 19 19 171 20 40 17 34 13 26 271
19 19 19 171 20 40 16 32 14 28 271

18 18 18 162 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270
18 18 18 162 20 40 19 38 15 30 270
18 18 18 162 20 40 18 36 16 32 270
18 18 18 162 20 40 17 34 17 34 270

17 17 17 153 20 40 20 40 20 40 273 270

[Phil-The_Almighty]

PM me and i'll send you the text file if you'd like the data in a nicer format, as I can't figure out how to lay it out propperly

[jeyjey07]

ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2
>= 270 -> 7
>= 240 -> 6
>= 210 -> 5

[...]

How did you get all those theories ?
By trying over and over in-game ?

[13xForever]

a nice format would be nice with the above stats im already confused lol

[The Janitor]

Got to say a huge thanks for this. Just noticed my 7* coaches had all vanished (bar Renshaw on "Strength") and with these formulas I've managed to get the best coaches possible so that I have one 7*, seven 6* and one 5* (shooting). Can't do any better than that without unrealistically stealing the likes of McClair and Meulensteen from Man Utd (I'm Man City), so I'm delighted. Cheers!

[drunkpunk]

Many thanks to AJetsOf for working the formula out.

[nick1408]

I really don't understand the formula. I think I must be a bit simple. Has someone made a set of filters we can download?

[Hattijr]

Excellent work by AJetsOf !!

Can i post it on a another Norwegian called forum ? ( www.fmnorge.com )

Where you offcourse get all the credit :-)

[Skoolblowsme]

Very impossible to get 7* coaches now!

[uppercut]

this has to be the most important thread out there since 930 was released..

[raffious]

Why did they change this and make it so hard?

I had lovely perfect 7-star coaches across the board and now they're all 3/4 stars.

[Coop]

It's as well that I'm good at Maths.

[Maz]

to be honest it should of been like this from the start. imo they got the timing all wrong and the way they've done it is wrong aswell.
IMO they could of put in say 30 - 50 7* coaches and these coaches would only sign for highly reputable clubs. now you really wouldnt expect man utd or real madrid to have 5* coaches when its teams like these that are competing to be the best. thoughts?

[Oncho Shaldzhiyan]

wow, great work m8

[Bizzy D]

I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

[raffious]

I think the problem (if there is one) is that top clubs don't sign the top coaches and set up top training systems.

It's far too hard now IMO, I've just done a quick search for DDM14+ and there was 38, that's without the coaching-specific attributes, so there's very few 7*s about; and I have good scouting knowledge.

[Maz]

I think the problem (if there is one) is that top clubs don't sign the top coaches and set up top training systems.

It's far too hard now IMO, I've just done a quick search for DDM14+ and there was 38, that's without the coaching-specific attributes, so there's very few 7*s about; and I have good scouting knowledge.

yeh i did the same using the pre game editor and got the same result or there abouts. but it is just daft unless the regen coaches are any good then no one will really have a 7* coach.

[awa1]

I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

Are you sure you calculated properly? I got 250 from the stats you given, so it falls under >= 240 -> 6 and below >= 270 -> 7, which means is 6 stars.

[Lyssien]

I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

We have,
Fit*9 = 18*9 = 162
ddm*2 = (12+18+14)*2 = 44*2 = 88

So,
Fit*9 + ddm*2 = 162 + 88 = 250

Your coach has 250 coaching points. 250 is greater than 240 but smaller than 270, so he gets 6 stars.

[Maz]

colbert would need 18 in fitness and 18 for ddm. his total ddm should come to 54 to get 7*

[raffious]

yeh i did the same using the pre game editor and got the same result or there abouts. but it is just daft unless the regen coaches are any good then no one will really have a 7* coach.

Well, the present set of coaches are bad enough. I doubt the regens will be better and I don't wanna have to wait for them.

I don't see why they needed to change it, the game's hard enough as it is. The top clubs and best managers should employ the best coaches anyway, why restrict the supply?

[Bizzy D]

Ohh, well now I see whats wrong now Did some wrong calculate as awa1 said and you Lyssien helped me cleard out what . My bad then. But then its pretty hard to get a good trainer for a lower club ? Aint it ? And really, how many good trainers are their out their ?

[Maz]

exactly they should of made so the best clubs have the best coaches and them coaches would only sign for you if you were better than the clubs they were already at. i think we need a 4th patch to address this problem. hehe

[raffious]

exactly they should of made so the best clubs have the best coaches and them coaches would only sign for you if you were better than the clubs they were already at. i think we need a 4th patch to address this problem. hehe

Definitely.

The big clubs have enough advantages as it is, and with the myriad of more-volatile-than-a-mum-on-the-rag confidence sliders, the game's hard enough.

[Dirty_ACE]

Does anyone know if the coach's playing mentality or coaching style make a difference? Or does it matter what kind of training they do?

[Blanchflower1]

Thanks mate! This is simply brilliant!

[shevelevee]

Thanks mate, really useful post.

[13xForever]

boys it aint that hard 5 coaches is good and i have 6 and 7 star coaches playing as Newcastle.

[R0171]

Great post mate. thanks

[Octavianus[GER]]

Excellent post mate. Translated it to German language. If you want to link it:
http://www.meistertrainerforum.de/sm...ic,8214.0.html

[Neil Brock]

Let's be honest though guys, how many seven star 'top' players are there in the game? These should be very very rare and that's why it's much harder to get them. Honestly though 3-4 stars is now a very good solid coaching team.

[Los Merengues]

seriously, i hate maths, but great post

but playing as a Small Club ( ie: FC Zurich ), i cant get the star past 5 now, its just impossible to try and get the World Class Coach from teams such as Madrid, Manutd, Arsenal etc

all i can get is coach from some lower rep clubs and of course wont do 7* ( now i have a 4/5/6 max )

but hey, if the SI Poster says 3-4 stars is now considered a solid coaching team, im happy with mine XD

[Octavianus[GER]]

Just a little remark:
Defensive:
def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3 => 11:3

Attack:
att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2 => 9:2

In the most categories the proportion of special attribute training to general training ability is 9:2
Why is the general training ability in the defense category gentrified? Wouldn't it make more sense to set it the same proportion as the Attack category? (Or the other way round)

[benji!!!!!]

Great post, got all 5 and 6 * but am struggling to get a shooting coach. Any reccomendations?

[millwall4eva]

blimey - it would have been nice for this update to have been explained b4 auto updating my game via steam as i have just spent a fortune on securing excellent 7 star coaches in the old mode as i am havant n waterlooville in the championship and im on a very very tight budget - this has now ruined my training plans!!! - but at least i know now - cheers for the explanation guys :-)

[Les Girondins]

Any chance of someone making some filters for the less numerate among us?

[Carlin's ghost]

I second that.

[mista T]

Paul Barron, Newcastle- 7 star GK coach. If you offer him a full time coach contract he accepts.
Andy Renshaw, Bolton- 7 star fitness coach. Same as above in terms of contract.
Joe Jordan, Tottenham- 6 star in a few things. Not sure what you would do to get him as I have him already.

Making filters would be pointless, as the amount the criteria can change would mean it would take hours to save them all, ages to upload and a while looking through. Easier to post staff IMO.

[mista T]

Those are the only ones I can find at the start, other than managers. Guess we will have to wait for the regens.

[Dirty_ACE]

Can anyone answer my questions in post #54? Thanks.

[mista T]

It's not greatly clear, but I will try to answer it.

Mentality, either with tactics or the attribute, has no effect with coaches unless you appoint an ass man and go on holiday/get a match ban. Then he will implement his tactic (unless you specifically tell him not to) to play. I don't know what you mean by coaching style, and what kind of training they do.

[coolestrock]

I think you are using the star symbol * in place of the times symbol x,,,,,so e.g fitness x 9(times) not * ,,,,am i correct or have i gone completely mad and have no idea what the first post is all about????????????????

[Jamie543]

wth imho this has ruined the game u now need to have a degree in maths to get a decent coaching team

[joecondor]

Who is the idiot that has done this change?

[Jack Rudd]

wth imho this has ruined the game u now need to have a degree in maths to get a decent coaching team

No, they've changed it so that you don't need to have a degree in maths to get a decent coaching team. The stars now tell you something useful about a coach's overall ability.

[the__colonel]

I've made an Excel spreadsheet where you put the stats for the coaches in and it tells you the star ratings, whether it's 7, 6, 5 or less than 5. I can upload it if anyone wants a copy?

[Jamie543]

try and do the formula then to find 4 star coach and then try finding a coach in fm that matches up with the stats u need

[uppercut]

I've made an Excel spreadsheet where you put the stats for the coaches in and it tells you the star ratings, whether it's 7, 6, 5 or less than 5. I can upload it if anyone wants a copy?

yes please!
it takes me ages to try and work it out manually..

[Jamie543]

might come in handy for me as i refuse to work this out i play the game to enjoy it not to have a maths lesson

[the__colonel]

You can download it here

http://files.filefront.com/coachesxl.../fileinfo.html

[Jamie543]

thanks how do i work this?

[the__colonel]

Just put the coaches stats in the red area for the corresponding stats, and it should tell you the star rating for each coaching area underneath

[Dirty_ACE]

It's not greatly clear, but I will try to answer it.

Mentality, either with tactics or the attribute, has no effect with coaches unless you appoint an ass man and go on holiday/get a match ban. Then he will implement his tactic (unless you specifically tell him not to) to play. I don't know what you mean by coaching style, and what kind of training they do.

Each coach has a coaching style, it's in the same area where it tells you his mentality and preferred formation.

[abojep]

Good work AJetsOf.

I have created a spreadsheet that does all the maths for you. You just have to enter the coach details in the "Coaches" sheet and then look at the "Stars" sheet to see what rating it gives.

http://drop.io/footballmanager

Once you have entered a few coaches can you send me the sheet and will merge them into one so it is easy to see the best coaches in the future.

Thanks,

[abojep]

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[coolestrock]

I've made an Excel spreadsheet where you put the stats for the coaches in and it tells you the star ratings, whether it's 7, 6, 5 or less than 5. I can upload it if anyone wants a copy?

Ive downloaded this and i thought i'd have to thank you,,,,it works a treat,,,,i can now use this to find the best coaches.

Thank you colonel

[Octavianus[GER]]

You can download it here

http://files.filefront.com/coachesxl.../fileinfo.html

Excellent excel-sheet, thanks a lot! Spares me a lot time calculating it myself

[shunt]

hey all,
some useful information here, good excel sheet to make it easier.

but still, finding a 6 or even 7 star coach is nearly impossible or at least very time consuming!
i wish that the game itself could calculate all this instead of us inserting the attributes into the excel sheet or calculating it through some difficult maths, well, it's not that difficult it's just time consuming!
some kind of filter in-game that let's you choose the training attribute (like goalkeeping e.g.) and kind of rating the coach should have (5, 6 or 7) would make things less time consuming and a lot more easier! or even a list at the coach profile that says what kind of ratings he has for the different training sections...
inserting all the attributes into the sheet for every coach or any person that would be able to train your players is just madness!

[chernij]

I've spent all day finding 6 and 7 star coaches as Liverpool. Still, I have 5 star coaches only for Ball Control, Attacking, Shooting and Set Pieces. All the other's, I have 6 star. I could only find 1 7-star coach for Fitness, Goalkeeping and Tactics. I offered them the most money the board would let me, and they want a more lucrative salary!

That's a good idea, but we have other unofficial programs like Genie Scout for that. I bet one for 9.3.0 is in development now.

[fm_genius]

is anyone else finding it difficult to find people who are 7 star? as far as im concerned only 1 or 2 match the criteria

[1a2a3a]

you know what? im playing FM man...
im not doing A maths for some holy entry high level exam......
this is so 'awesomely' done up by sigames

[1a2a3a]

tell u guys wad, hire 2 coaches per area. bound to get 7 stars

[fm_genius]

tell u guys wad, hire 2 coaches per area. bound to get 7 stars

no sadly it dont unless 1 is at least 7 stars. this is absolutely **** SI. if it aint broke dont try and fix it

[jaylg]

Think the point is is that it was broke or at least unrealistic, like has been said already it doesn't suddenly mean you have bad coaches what was unrealistic was a coach having attributes of say 17 in say defensive coaching and below 10 in everything else and having 7 stars.
4 and 5 stars is still not bad at all for your coaches and hasn't stopped me from winning everything on my game.

[monkeymafia]

I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. As jaylg has just said, this doesn't mean that your coaches have suddenly gotten worse overnight. What you are seeing now is a better representation of how good your coaches actually are. This should, if anything, help you. If you had a 7 star coach previously, and now he is being shown as a lot less, maybe you need to consider that he wasn't actually that good in the first place, and you should replace him. This isn't rocket science, it's actually a pretty easy concept to grasp, and amidst all the niggles over FM2009, I think this is a really good move by SI

[SFraser]

you know what? im playing FM man...
im not doing A maths for some holy entry high level exam......
this is so 'awesomely' done up by sigames

When you play strategy games on a computer the fundamentals inevitably reduce to mathematics. The only reason you think you are not doing A maths is either because you have not grasped the coding, or the interface between player and game hides the mechanics well.

[Rupal]

What I have found at lower league level as a consequence of the change is that it now appears to be pointless to appoint a coach as well as an assman. In Italy Serie C2, for example, if you get Massimo Neri as your assman you end up with all coaching at 3 stars even if he does the lot. The coaching load still appears as 'light', which seems peculiar and adding a coach doesn't seem to make any difference to the star ratings.

This means that one assman can coach the entire first team, the reserves and the youth squad for everything. Why doesn't this make him overworked?

[NotWordsButDeeds]

You can download it here

http://files.filefront.com/coachesxl.../fileinfo.html

Thanks Colonel, for taking the time to do that for us.

[The Rebel MC]

I can't seem to download the excel spreadsheet - file front saus can't download at the moment - is there another link I can use anyone (thanks for the spreadsheet - will really help!)

[mmfaria]

Guys, I developed an Excel sheet where you can put the coach's attributes and it returns how many stars he is at every trainning category.

Here're the links to download:

Download Rapidshare
Download Megaupload
Download Easyshare
Download Bandongo

I'm not quiet sure if I can post it here (but I can't see why not ), so if it is somehow agains the rules, fell free to delete my post

[The Rebel MC]

I've downloaded it mmfaria from rapidshare but it won't open - when i get to select the language it says it won't translate - then nothing opens after another error message - i have a vista laptop and that daft microsoft office spreadsheet programme - is there an excel spreadsheet that will open on my laptop?