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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmufcwafc View Post
    pnefc22 said that he has already done articles on CA & PA, & that it was only a matter of just postng them up. Maybe you two should have a look at both of your articles & come up with the best article combined?
    It only took me about 10 minutes to do (felt i should add something seeing as i've posted alot in this thread) so i have no problem at all if it's replaced by pnefc22's article, considering he had already said he would do it. Apologies for not noticing this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    Good article mate, if that's yours
    Yeah it is mate, cheers. Might not last long though

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    Quote Originally Posted by small Mac View Post
    Yeah it is mate, cheers. Might not last long though
    , I don't think it will be deleted, if anything happens they should be merged, so the best bits out of each are in one thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by small Mac View Post
    It only took me about 10 minutes to do (felt i should add something seeing as i've posted alot in this thread) so i have no problem at all if it's replaced by pnefc22's article, considering he had already said he would do it. Apologies for not noticing this before.
    It really doesn't bother me being honest. I'll leave it to pnefc22 & you to sort it out amongst yourselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    , I don't think it will be deleted, if anything happens they should be merged, so the best bits out of each are in one thread.
    Pnefc can maybe edit it to put in any extra info he has. I don't think it will be deleted either.

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    Nice to see all the new articles.

    Maybe I should start working on typing information about the Asian leagues soon. (although I doubt there will a lot of views...looking at the current activity in my challenge )

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    Nice atricle on FM2008 there Jod

    Does anyone have a list of the value ranges for club reputation?

    e.g.
    8,000 - 10,000 = Worldwide
    7,000 - 7,999 = Continental
    etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by small Mac View Post
    Nice atricle on FM2008 there Jod

    Does anyone have a list of the value ranges for club reputation?

    e.g.
    8,000 - 10,000 = Worldwide
    7,000 - 7,999 = Continental
    etc
    I have no idea tbh, you planning on making one for it?

    I'm going to bed now, will finish the club guides in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by small Mac View Post
    Nice atricle on FM2008 there Jod

    Does anyone have a list of the value ranges for club reputation?

    e.g.
    8,000 - 10,000 = Worldwide
    7,000 - 7,999 = Continental
    etc
    Thanks. It did not take me too long to compile.

    I am not too sure of where you could get a list for club reps.

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    maybe we could all collaborate and make an actual website rather than wiki and it can be run by the fans of fm

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    I have no idea tbh, you planning on making one for it?

    I'm going to bed now, will finish the club guides in the morning.
    Yeah i've made an article with a simple explaination of what club reputation is, i thought it would be good to include the ranges.

    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    Thanks. It did not take me too long to compile.

    I am not too sure of where you could get a list for club reps.
    Ok no problem i'll work it out myself tomorrow at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisW View Post
    maybe we could all collaborate and make an actual website rather than wiki and it can be run by the fans of fm
    We need money and internet wizz's for that mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    We need money and internet wizz's for that mate.
    I think you could get a free webspace so money would not be a problem. Creating a website would not be too difficult either.

    However I still prefer the wiki at the moment as with creating a website I think we would be tinkering around with the layout, design and how it looks rather than just focusing on the content which is the most important in my opinion.

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    Maybe when the wiki is finished, I am sure Jez could help with some of the stuff!

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    Also the beauty of a Wiki is that anybody can come along and add/update information, where as an actual website might be less accessible and therefore potentially miss out on alot of knowledge.

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    I hope no-one minds, but I have added some info to the SPL league page, some of the league rules and setup was missing, and as it is usually my league of choice I guessed I should put it in. Also unless anyone else has started it I would like to write the Celtic page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_1967 View Post
    I hope no-one minds, but I have added some info to the SPL league page, some of the league rules and setup was missing, and as it is usually my league of choice I guessed I should put it in. Also unless anyone else has started it I would like to write the Celtic page.
    No, that is good. The more people that contribute the better.

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    Thanks Celtic, I am off to bed now lads, kutgw

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    I have done webdesign and am perfectly capable of putting a website together?

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    I'm done my MLS page before some more editing when the next patch is out. Have a look.

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    Wycombe page updated. I will gradually add extra info over the coming weeks as i have to revise for exams

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    It's all looking good people

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    Who changed the layout of the main page? I liked it the way it was to start with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamilton162 View Post
    Who changed the layout of the main page? I liked it the way it was to start with!
    Seconded, I don't like the look of the table. I just checked, it was jod.

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    It was me.

    I don't like scrolling and as more and more articles get added it'll end up as one long list to scroll down through to get to the relevant section.

    Navigation needs to be smarter as it grows.

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    What's the difference, or have you changed it back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainPlanet View Post
    It was me.

    I don't like scrolling and as more and more articles get added it'll end up as one long list to scroll down through to get to the relevant section.

    Navigation needs to be smarter as it grows.
    Is there any way to spread out the text better without the table? I find the table very off-putting for some reason. I agree that the text needs to be spread out better
    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    What's the difference, or have you changed it back?
    I changed it back to normal, then changed it back to CP's format incase others prefer it.

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    Change it back Alan, i looks much better as a list, the table is hideous

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    Okay, so should I change it back to normal then?

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    I really can not see a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    I really can not see a difference!
    Refresh your page now, I reverted back to the table.

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    I like it, it looks neater and it doesn't turn into a scroll fest. But, if the majority do not like it, we should change it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    I like it, it looks neater and it doesn't turn into a scroll fest. But, if the majority do not like it, we should change it back.
    Me & Hamilton aren't a majority in fairness, so I think we should wait until some others give their opinion.

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    I agree, I just think the links look ugly, can't we change the colour of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    I agree, I just think the links look ugly, can't we change the colour of them?
    We can yeah. What do you all think of aligning the text in the table to the left, instead of the way it's centered at the moment? I think that's what I find most off-putting.

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    I don't like the fact that the table is visable at all, but I can't find a way of hiding it. I just don't want a big list.

    If you can find a better way of spreading it out then go for it, It was only a quick play.

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    Go for it, I would also like the link colour changed as I hate the purple that the links turn.

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    What link colour do we want then?

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    Navy blue (not the light blue) regardless of whether the link has been clicked or not, and left alligned with bullet points for each of the links under each heading.

    And I'll try and find out how to hide the table border.

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    Could someone else try to change the link colour? I can't figure it out.

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    Sure, will try now

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    No, i can't find a way to change it, anyone else know how to do it?

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    You can't with the default interface, you can only do it if you write it in another langauge and then upload it.

    I might have to break out notepad and write it in HTML.

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    Flippin heck CP, that could take a long. long time i warn you

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    Can I be bumped up to an organizer instead of a member.

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    Fair enough CP, you're an organiser now

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    Yeah, i agree that you should be an organiser as it was your idea in the first place CP

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    Last organiser now, 4 is enough.

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    Can't change the link colour when you're on the free basic version. the $5 a month version has fully customisable stylesheets.

    I'm more than happy to front the cash, but can't do it from work.

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    I'll chip in if everone else agrees to the idea. Maybe a bit soon for putting money into this? It is only $5 though, so that's only about £2.50.

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    Cheers CP, the links look awful. Don't worry, us at home will continue to add to the site. I'm out this afternoon though, so don't expect anything from me after this morning

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    I think the links are looking a lot better since someone changed them to bullet points.

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    Can someone get rid of the lines of the table as they look horrid. Don't mind the layout, but get rid of the lines and it would look a lot beter, especially when the link colour is changed

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    Can't get rid of the table lines. or change the link text colour.

    lets focus on getting the content up first before being too picky about the layout and colours though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmufcwafc View Post
    It is only $5 though, so that's only about £2.50.
    5 U.S. dollars = 3.48456338 British pounds

    I think even during this credit crunch I can afford that

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    Sorry CP, just an idea

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    And it's 3.94 euros - yeah, I think I'd be able to chip in. Not sure if we should bother paying though, wikispaces is crap tbh.

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    CP, are you able to set up the upgrade or will I have to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter-evo View Post
    CP, are you able to set up the upgrade or will I have to do it?
    All organisers are able to do it.

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    Ah cool, though I think we should find a better wiki site.

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    Agreed peter, find a better site as paying for this one isn't worth it, there are plenty of other wiki sites that are the same price and are much better

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    Do you know of any.

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    Fwiw, I like the new design, with the table.

    Still not the best it could be, but better than the scrolling.

    I would be happy to pay towards one, but like others have said if we are serious about paying for one then we should find a better site to base it on.

    Even if it means paying a little more, I think it would be worth it in the long term. Wikispaces does what we want it to do at the moment, but doesn't look very professional.

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    arsenal, love your location.

    I agree with you about the sitep point. Do we want a wiki or our own url?

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    Maybe we should take up Jez's offer if we're really interested. But would we be able to keep it as a wiki if we did so?

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    If we move from a wiki site to a dedictate website with useful info we just turn into another fansite, wiki as part of the site name has much more punch.

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    Yes, I say keep the wiki, and then when we are ready, we can use a more dedicated url.

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    Personally I prefer a wiki as it everyone can contribute although that has a a good side and bad side as well I think as it can lead to arguments. Obviously it can be abused as well but that can be undone easily enough. However I remember hamilton (not picking on you, just an example ) said that he wants to edit the Wycombe article so nobody touch it. Anyone can come along and edit a wiki obviously so anyone who creates an article has to realise that it is not actually their article as such, as everyone has the right to edit it if they want to, especially if there is something in it they don't agree with like a player recommendation or something.

    Also that is a thing about the club articles that arsenal got permission to use. Did the users agree that anyone can just come along and edit them?

    A guest can also just edit out the name that was credited with creating the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    Also that is a thing about the club articles that arsenal got permission to use. Did the users agree that anyone can just come along and edit them?
    They didn't actually. Shall I edit my post now, or just write something in them explaining that they could have been edited by others?

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    We shouldn't pay for anything yet.

    And, I think our own domain would be better than a wiki, to be honest.

    Although, the wiki will do for now.

    I will finish some articles and start my editing tonight.

    I still need to create an account

    I will compile the two CA articles together to make it a super article

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    Let me know how this goes CaptainPlanet (and co). I have been working on a FML wiki for a bit and it may be an idea to tie the two in together eventually for the ultimate FM resource

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    In case people are interested, here is a list of the people who have given me permission to use their club threads; Clicky

    I'm going to do a page on the English Premier League, if no-one else is. Has anyone said they might want to?
    Last edited by arsenal_2111; 19-02-2009 at 17:55.

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    Fix your link arsenal_2111. School boy error.

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    As if CP is getting all the credit for making it

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    They didn't actually. Shall I edit my post now, or just write something in them explaining that they could have been edited by others?
    Yeah, you probably should let them know in some way.

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    I've done bugger all on it, I just planted the seed - I'm more of an ideas man than a doer!

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    Layout looks very poor thb, why not just seek to imitate wikipedia.

    *Awaits barrage of abuse*

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    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    Yeah, you probably should let them know in some way.
    I've edited the starting post, and have also edited all of the starts of them. For example the Everton page now says

    The following was all written by roberto922 in the Sports Interactive Community Forums. It was originally posted in the Football Manager 2009 Everton Thread. All credit for the below goes to him. As WikiSpaces is avalible to anyone to edit as they like, I can not guarentee that the below is the exact work of the original writer. To see the original thread and to discuss this team, please visit the Good Player and Team Guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus View Post
    Layout looks very poor thb, why not just seek to imitate wikipedia.

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    Because the interface of the free site won't allow us too.

    If you look at any other wiki site, none of them look like Wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus View Post
    Layout looks very poor thb, why not just seek to imitate wikipedia.

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    thb doesn't make sense.

    What do you mean 'seek to imitate wikipedia'?

    We aren't paying for this [yet], wheras Wikipedia have payed staff. This is not and will not be a website to make money, and we have little or no funds to put into it. Unlike Wikipedia, who raised around £1mil by begging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    thb doesn't make sense.

    What do you mean 'seek to imitate wikipedia'?

    We aren't paying for this [yet], wheras Wikipedia have payed staff. This is not and will not be a website to make money, and we have little or no funds to put into it. Unlike Wikipedia, who raised around £1mil by begging.
    Although the software Wikipedia uses is free but obviously you need servers to host the site.

    I think the current set up is fine the way it is.

    Galactus, we did experiment with the different layout options and colours last night and most people on here at the time thought that the current one is the best from the limited amout available on the free version.

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    I'll recommend MediaWiki to you to look in to.

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    Well, there is a way of making our own theme on wikispaces, but it's really complicated. We need to have a skinning expert with us to do all that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmufcwafc View Post
    Well, there is a way of making our own theme on wikispaces, but it's really complicated. We need to have a skinning expert with us to do all that
    That is disabled on the free version.

    JJay, does your wiki use MediaWiki?

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    MediaWiki looks much better

    I'll move it over later if we can agree on using it.

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    MediaWiki looks very good actually. Is it free?

    Also, would we be able to move whole pages across, or would we have to create new pages and copy and paste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    MediaWiki looks very good actually. Is it free?

    Also, would we be able to move whole pages across, or would we have to create new pages and copy and paste?
    Yeah, MediaWiki is free. I assume we would have to move them across manually by copying and pasting.

    I like MediaWiki as well. If people are happy to move I'll move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    Yeah, MediaWiki is free. I assume we would have to move them across manually by copying and pasting.

    I like MediaWiki as well. If people are happy to move I'll move.
    I'm happy, I've already created a MediaWiki account now. But it seems very complicated to set up, or am I missing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmufcwafc View Post
    I'm happy, I've already created a MediaWiki account now. But it seems very complicated to set up, or am I missing something here?
    MediaWiki is what Wikipedia uses.

    You have download the software to a server. I don't how complicated it is to use though.

    It is not like the other one where you just create a wiki on that site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    MediaWiki is what Wikipedia uses.

    You have download the software to a server. I don't how complicated it is to use though.

    It is not like the other one where you just create a wiki on that site.
    So would we get an official website? e.g. www.fmwiki.com?

    Seems very complicated, I don't know how much help I would be with moving it over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jod123 View Post
    MediaWiki is what Wikipedia uses.

    You have download the software to a server. I don't how complicated it is to use though.

    It is not like the other one where you just create a wiki on that site.
    Yeah I know, that's what was confusing me. There's a lot of extra software required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    So would we get an official website? e.g. www.fmwiki.com?

    Seems very complicated, I don't know how much help I would be with moving it over.
    By the looks of it, that website is already taken

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    Still going strong I see, a move would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal_2111 View Post
    So would we get an official website? e.g. www.fmwiki.com?

    Seems very complicated, I don't know how much help I would be with moving it over.
    Yeah we would as far as I know.

    Maybe JJay would know more as he suggested it.

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    Yeah I do use it for the FML Wiki.

    An example of its flexible presentation is http://www.fmliveonline.com/wiki/ind...tle=Gameworlds

    In the process of moving data to a new location so the above wiki will be quite limited

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    You would need to do it through copy and pasting if you have it hosted on a free webspace - highly annoying.

    What I could say to you in the meantime though is that if you wish to edit the wiki link above to a FM wiki instead of FML one then I can host it for you Should you find an alternative webspace in the future then it will be easier to migrate through mySQL backups of the data which can be exported easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJay View Post
    You would need to do it through copy and pasting if you have it hosted on a free webspace - highly annoying.

    What I could say to you in the meantime though is that if you wish to edit the wiki link above to a FM wiki instead of FML one then I can host it for you Should you find an alternative webspace in the future then it will be easier to migrate through mySQL backups of the data which can be exported easily.
    The Wiki you have there looks excellent. That is a kind offer JJay, certainly something i would like to see happen if the other guys are in agreement (and assuming it is not too difficult).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJay View Post
    You would need to do it through copy and pasting if you have it hosted on a free webspace - highly annoying.

    What I could say to you in the meantime though is that if you wish to edit the wiki link above to a FM wiki instead of FML one then I can host it for you Should you find an alternative webspace in the future then it will be easier to migrate through mySQL backups of the data which can be exported easily.
    Are you sure JJay? That would be great and would be happy with that. What are you going to do then with your FMLive articles that are on the wiki?

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    I am in agreement but what would our domain name be.

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    How about http://footballmanagerwiki.com/ Doesn't seem to be taken.

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