Football Manager Wiki

[peter-evo]

I thought Rancer put the cakes bit in?

[arsenal_2111]

I like the idea, but not all of the threads have them so someone would have to research them all...

And you can undo edits, by doing:

Recent Edits, (diff), then in the top right next to where it says who edited it it says 'undo'. Click that and submit the new entry

[ahmufcwafc]

I thought Rancer put the cakes bit in?

Nope, it was an unregistered user.

[pnefc22]

I have just had an idea which would help on the club guides(nation) page, where we post about tv money, cup money, cups etc.

Gives more of an in-sight into managing in that country.

[ahmufcwafc]

I have just had an idea which would help on the club guides(nation) page, where we post about tv money, cup money, cups etc.

Gives more of an in-sight into managing in that country.

Gets a thumbs up from me

[ahmufcwafc]

We now have badges for every club & team guide page. Well I think so anyway!

[peter-evo]

You get a big fat

[ahmufcwafc]

You get a big fat

Cheers Peter. If anyone notices a logo missing, just tell me & I'll try to get it up

[jod123]

I like the idea, but not all of the threads have them so someone would have to research them all...

And you can undo edits, by doing:

Recent Edits, (diff), then in the top right next to where it says who edited it it says 'undo'. Click that and submit the new entry

To follow up on this. Anyone can undo edits by going to history and then choosing undo. Admins can both undo and rollback edits but they are pretty similar.

I think a template for how club guides should be written would be a good idea.

[arsenal_2111]

I think a template for how club guides should be written would be a good idea.

I've got one written for the GPTG, is it the sort of thing you mean?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=93410

[ahmufcwafc]

I've got one written for the GPTG, is it the sort of thing you mean?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=93410

Yes, that's a great guide

It could do with a small bit of tweaking though imo, just to help it transfer well over to the wiki. More emphasis on layout & headings in the wiki guide would be great.

[arsenal_2111]

Yes, that's a great guide

It could do with a small bit of tweaking though imo, just to help it transfer well over to the wiki. More emphasis on layout & headings in the wiki guide would be great.

What shall I call the page?

[pnefc22]

A guide to making a team guide

[ahmufcwafc]

What shall I call the page?

Team guide template? I dunno.

[arsenal_2111]

I've made the page, called Club Guide Template.

Could someone add in how to post images please? I'm still not sure... Cheers

[ahmufcwafc]

1. Upload an image from your computer (you may need to download it first if you're getting the image off google) - http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk...Special:Upload
2. Copy & paste the name of the image, including the 'image:' bit.
3. Edit page screen.
4. [[Image:Image Name|Right/Left/Centred/leave blank if no justification is needed|image size (eg. 120px)]]. An example would be [[Image:Arsenal.jpg|right|100px]]

Good work Jammy, & hope that helps

[arsenal_2111]

K, i've written it in. If you think anything needs changing just say

[CaptainPlanet]

From tiny acorns grow mighty oaks.

Good work all

[ahmufcwafc]

K, i've written it in. If you think anything needs changing just say

Don't think there's much else to be said really, I was going to suggest getting rid of the Arsenal badge but I see you've already done that.

Cheers CP

[ahmufcwafc]

I'd just like to say great work lads for all the effort you've put into the wiki recently. Now the majority of our articles have plenty of content, which is fantastic.

I'm going to run through all the articles again now & put a few stub tags on articles that might need a bit more work now.

[peter-evo]

Cool Alan, great stuff.

This project has really took off and it is much better than I, and I am sure, Alan expected

[Glenn Wakeford]

I've added a line into the FAQ linking this thread and the Wiki itself.

Good work all

[peter-evo]

I've added a line into the FAQ linking this thread and the Wiki itself.

Good work all

Thanks skorp; we have been hoping for something like this for a while

[ahmufcwafc]

Cheers skorp. More advertising for us, which obviously can't hurt

[Glenn Wakeford]

Going by the number of hits this thread has in comparison with the FAQ, I doubt it'll make much difference!

[peter-evo]

Aye, but most of them hits are from us.

Maybe you should put the link somewhere else... I don't know... maybe the front page

[ahmufcwafc]

Going by the number of hits this thread has in comparison with the FAQ, I doubt it'll make much difference!

Ah sure you never know, there's always the possibility that someone might find out about the wiki from the FAQ's. Besides, most of those hits come from about 10 regulars to the wiki.

Aye, but most of them hits are from us.

Maybe you should put the link somewhere else... I don't know... maybe the front page

Wipe out the notices section completely & replace it with a massive FM Wiki banner

[peter-evo]

Ah sure you never know, there's always the possibility that someone might find out about the wiki from the FAQ's. Besides, most of those hits come from about 10 regulars to the wiki.

Wipe out the notices section completely & replace it with a massive FM Wiki banner

No. Replace the SI forums and just have the FM Wiki here.

[ahmufcwafc]

No. Replace the SI forums and just have the FM Wiki here.

Ah, now that's an idea! Much better than my crappy suggestion

[pnefc22]

Sorry about my limited stadium articles this week.

I have had coursework but now I have two week holiday starting on Friday, where I will get plenty done.

[ahmufcwafc]

Glad to hear you'll be back helping us soon Rob

I've set up a useful links page.

[arsenal_2111]

Great list mate

But one thing;

FM05 - 5.0.5

That can't be right! Thats insane!

[ahmufcwafc]

Great list mate

But one thing;

FM05 - 5.0.5

That can't be right! Thats insane!

It's definately right, I did my research

The list is only started btw, will be adding more soon. I'll have plenty more time with the wiki over easter.

[pnefc22]

EASTER ftw

Very happy about it

I will get loads of stadium pages done tomorrow.

I will finish off the Championship and Premiership as a minimum.

[peter-evo]

EASTER ftw

Very happy about it

I will get loads of stadium pages done tomorrow.

I will finish off the Championship and Premiership as a minimum.

Great stuff Rob.

[ahmufcwafc]

I think it'd be a good idea to do an article about the in-game easter eggs. Will get cracking on it some time over the weekend.

[ssestig]

*shakes head and leaves*

[ahmufcwafc]

What's going on stig?

[ssestig]

I think it'd be a good idea to do an article about the in-game easter eggs. Will get cracking on it some time over the weekend.

That's what's wrong

[ahmufcwafc]

Brilliant! I meant to do that you know...

[peter-evo]

Alan... that was vile.

[ahmufcwafc]

I genuinely didn't mean that, was just a terrible coincidental choice of words

Back on topic - peter, when are you going to start working on the wiki again?

[Elrithral]

FYI there are some very good league guides, especially of obscure leagues, on FM Britain. They would come in handy for people who like to play with weird leagues or teams, perhaps you should ask them if you can use some of their stuff.

[peter-evo]

FYI there are some very good league guides, especially of obscure leagues, on FM Britain. They would come in handy for people who like to play with weird leagues or teams, perhaps you should ask them if you can use some of their stuff.

Cool.

I shall get in contact

[Elrithral]

Link to FM Britain League Guides

[ahmufcwafc]

Those guides are excellent! I doubt we'll get permission to use them though.

[peter-evo]

Those guides are excellent! I doubt we'll get permission to use them though.

Worth a try

[Elrithral]

Reword them and Bob's your sister, i'm pretty sure they have basically reworded wiki descriptions anyway.

[ahmufcwafc]

Certainly is. Go and do your best to get permission mr representative!

[Elrithral]

I'll happily write new ones if you wish.

[peter-evo]

Certainly is. Go and do your best to get permission mr representative!

I have wrote a post in their forums. May well get closed but I am hoping for a response.

[ahmufcwafc]

I'll happily write new ones if you wish.

I'd really appreciate it if you're willing to do some work for us

[Elrithral]

I'd really appreciate it if you're willing to do some work for us

What's the pay like?

[peter-evo]

What's the pay like?

I am hoping for a good response over there to be honest.

[ahmufcwafc]

I have wrote a post in their forums. May well get closed but I am hoping for a response.

Yeah, most likely will be closed - I think it probably wouldve been best if you emailed their webmaster and kept it private, but sure we can't change it now. Link?

[peter-evo]

Yeah, most likely will be closed - I think it probably wouldve been best if you emailed their webmaster and kept it private, but sure we can't change it now. Link?

Their main site is down as that is what I originally planned to do.

http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/forums/i...0&#entry144303

[ahmufcwafc]

What's the pay like?

Your starting pay will be the exact same as mine

[Elrithral]

I'll add what I have done, when I get the chance.

Edit: FM Britain have said it's ok to use their guides so that's a lot less work for me

[ahmufcwafc]

Great news that. Who wants to add them?

[arsenal_2111]

I'll add some happily, but am not a member of FMBritain so can't get them directly off there. Any other way you know, or will I have to sign up?

[peter-evo]

I'll add some happily, but am not a member of FMBritain so can't get them directly off there. Any other way you know, or will I have to sign up?

Just sign up.

That's fantastic news.

[arsenal_2111]

Hmm, it won't let me register. Says the email address you used is not accepted by this board. Please select a different email address. It's a hotmail.com adress, is that why?

[ahmufcwafc]

I can put it on the wiki if you like jammy. Also, I think we all need to discuss the format of club guides. I got rid of some of the headers to make it look like wikipedia style intros a few days back, but I'm now thinking maybe we should come up with a new structure. What are your opinions on this?

[arsenal_2111]

It'd be great if you could, if not then i'm sure others would be able to do them.

What sort of format are you suggesting? When I made them I made them as similar as I could, depending on what was in each guide.

[ahmufcwafc]

Anything that stops the index from being the first think you see on the page, with the intro above it. That's what I've done, but then the index looks a bit messy. What do you think yourself?

[arsenal_2111]

Yeah, I kind of see what you mean.

The real life information bit now isn't very easy to see, and the index looks a bit lost. I'm not really sure how it could be changed, but it could be better.

[ahmufcwafc]

Might as well explain it clearer in case some of you don't get me (not aimed at you jammy fwiw, I think you know what I'm on about.

Man Utd Page
Chelsea page

Now, out of those two examples, which do you prefer? My problem with the Chelsea article is that it looks very bare without an introduction. I feel that the nickname, location etc should be put above the index - re-worded & with a bit more information included. What do you all think?

[arsenal_2111]

Might as well explain it clearer in case some of you don't get me (not aimed at you jammy fwiw, I think you know what I'm on about.

Man Utd Page
Chelsea page

Now, out of those two examples, which do you prefer? My problem with the Chelsea article is that it looks very bare without an introduction. I feel that the nickname, location etc should be put above the index - re-worded & with a bit more information included. What do you all think?

Yes, I agree that the Utd article looks better. But about 1/10 of articles have a reasonable amount of intro, so on the majority it would just be a sentence or two on the top of the page. It would be pointless having that, as it would be missed half the time. Look at the Liverpool Page for example. The real life information is a couple of lines, not including the peice about former managers (which I don't think is really needed, may delete it if no one minds). Yes, it will be a bit of an introduction. But in my opinion it would look a little ridiculous having one or two lines. A paragraph is needed minimum, and that is a lot of work.

[Galactus]

Looking at setting up a dedicated Football Manager wiki site, to cover all incarnations of the game and provide a basis of information for people to refer too, with everything from tactics to patches.

Anybody else interesting in helping support this project?

http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk...itle=Main_Page

o rly

nice to see my advice taken on board

layout is great

[peter-evo]

o rly

nice to see my advice taken on board

layout is great

Glad you like it mate.

[arsenal_2111]

o rly

nice to see my advice taken on board

layout is great

I don't really understand what you mean by this post, could you explain please?

And also, I assume o rly is text speak not a bunch of random letters. I have no idea what it means, and I'm sure others wouldn't either, so try and refrain from text talk in future posts.

[ahmufcwafc]

Yes, I agree that the Utd article looks better. But about 1/10 of articles have a reasonable amount of intro, so on the majority it would just be a sentence or two on the top of the page. It would be pointless having that, as it would be missed half the time. Look at the Liverpool Page for example. The real life information is a couple of lines, not including the peice about former managers (which I don't think is really needed, may delete it if no one minds). Yes, it will be a bit of an introduction. But in my opinion it would look a little ridiculous having one or two lines. A paragraph is needed minimum, and that is a lot of work.

I know what you mean. I think I'll have a scan through the club guides and mark all of those without proper introductions as stubs. I'll then list out all the stubs later on tonight

o rly

nice to see my advice taken on board

layout is great

Cheers Galactus.

I don't really understand what you mean by this post, could you explain please?

And also, I assume o rly is text speak not a bunch of random letters. I have no idea what it means, and I'm sure others wouldn't either, so try and refrain from text talk in future posts.

O rly = Oh really

[Galactus]

Is this openly editable?

I want to try beef up this wiki.

Also is there a set/layout I should follow in order to maintain consistency in the articles appearance?

[ahmufcwafc]

Is this openly editable?

I want to try beef up this wiki.

You'll need to register to edit. Mainly down to some people spamming our pages earlier

Welcome anyway Galactus.

[Galactus]

I'm going to try get a SPL bit done also see my edit.

[ahmufcwafc]

Is this openly editable?

I want to try beef up this wiki.

Also is there a set/layout I should follow in order to maintain consistency in the articles appearance?

Well, we don't have any general guide written up (which reminds me, I really have to get around to doing that). Just try to follow the general layout of most of the other articles for now

But for club guides, this.

[ahmufcwafc]

Club Guides
*Not too serious, just missing introductions for most
AJ Auxerre
Cherbourg
Doncaster Rovers
FC Porto
Fulham
Getafe
Hull City
Inverness Caledonian Thistle
LA Galaxy
Liverpool
Luton Town
Man City
PSV
Panathinaikos
Preston North End
Real Madrid
Redditch
Southampton
Stockport
Stoke City
Valencia

Nation Guides
Canada
Holland
Mexico
Russia
USA

Player Profiles
Anatoli Todorov
Landon Donovan

Gameplay
Bosman Transfers
Manager Options
Training Facilities

Graphics & Skinning
Graphics Packs
Skins

Editing
Database Editor
How to add your own regen (Doesn't explain how to add the regen at all)

Miscellaneous
Championship Manager
Sports Interactive

Empty Pages
Chicago Fire
Chivas USA
Colorado Rapids
Columbus Crew
DC United
FC Dallas
Houston Dynamo
New England Revolution
New York Red Bulls
Kansas City Wizards
San Jose Earthquakes
Toronto FC
Dani Aquino
Coaches
Physios


Yeah, so this is how we stand at the moment. Most of these that I've listed (in particular the club guides) have quite a lot of information. It's just that they're missing that extra bit of information that would make them feel complete imo. Just to let anyone that has any knowledge on these subjects know

This has been posted in a seperate topic in the wiki forum as well.

I think we need to do something to make the club guide template stand out more - maybe put it on the front page? Maybe it's time to replace the 'why we set this up' part. Also, I'm going to write up a general guide to making wiki pages.

One last reminder - don't be afraid to add/remove stub tags from pages.

[rancer890]

I think I'm responsible for most of the MLS club pages.

I just need to time enough time to write them.

[ahmufcwafc]

I think I'm responsible for most of the MLS club pages.

I just need to time enough time to write them.

Hey no worries, just do them when you have the time mate. And of course when you feel like doing them

[arsenal_2111]

I'll do the Manager options page now.

[ahmufcwafc]

I'll do the Manager options page now.

Good stuff. I'm adding the FM-Britain articles now

[arsenal_2111]

Good stuff. I'm adding the FM-Britain articles now

I've done the article as much as I can.

It doesn't look like it's much there, but it has everything in it and there is nothing else I can add to it without making it waffle.

If you think anything else needs to be added either do it yourself or tell me and I'll do it

[ahmufcwafc]

It's one of those topics where there isn't a lot to be said. I don't think there's much else to be added

[peter-evo]

FM-Britain management said we can use any of the Lower League articles as long as there is a reference to the creator AND a link to the original.

[ahmufcwafc]

FM-Britain management said we can use any of the Lower League articles as long as there is a reference to the creator AND a link to the original.

Fair enough, I've already given credit to the creator, so now I'll link to the article

[arsenal_2111]

It's one of those topics where there isn't a lot to be said. I don't think there's much else to be added

Thats what I thought, which is why I removed the stub tag.

FM-Britain management said we can use any of the Lower League articles as long as there is a reference to the creator AND a link to the original.

So could we use a disclaimer, like in the club guides?

[peter-evo]

Thats what I thought, which is why I removed the stub tag.



So could we use a disclaimer, like in the club guides?

Yes, just with the name of the creator and a link to the article

[arsenal_2111]

In the Database Editor article, why is the FMRTE link there? Thats not about database editor, thats a save game editor I think.

I realise it mentions FMRTE, but imo it would be best to create a save game editor page and link to it in there. Linking to FMRTE in the database editor page could cause confusion imo.

[ahmufcwafc]

In the Database Editor article, why is the FMRTE link there? Thats not about database editor, thats a save game editor I think.

I realise it mentions FMRTE, but imo it would be best to create a save game editor page and link to it in there. Linking to FMRTE in the database editor page could cause confusion imo.

That's my mistake, fixed now.

[arsenal_2111]

That's my mistake, fixed now.

Not really a mistake, but ok then

I've made a few changes to that article, do you think it's ready to have the Stub tag taken off? I'm not sure how much more could be put in.

http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk...atabase_Editor

[ahmufcwafc]

Not really a mistake, but ok then

I've made a few changes to that article, do you think it's ready to have the Stub tag taken off? I'm not sure how much more could be put in.

http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk...atabase_Editor

You know what, I think we should leave it on for now. Since there's so much you can do with the editor, I think we should leave it as a stub until it becomes a difinitive guide on using the editor.

Hold on, I made an editor guide for someone else last week, & sent it through PMs. Hopefully I still have it in my outbox, then it'll just be a copy & paste job!

[arsenal_2111]

To whoever made the 'Regen Editing' Article, it really needs finishing. At the moment it is pretty much pointless, as it doesn't explain how to do this.

Also, I'm not sure there is a point in having staff profiles and player profiles. I can't see either getting too many done, so we should mix the two. Views?

[ahmufcwafc]

To whoever made the 'Regen Editing' Article, it really needs finishing. At the moment it is pretty much pointless, as it doesn't explain how to do this.

Jod made it originally, & left it blank. Then Rob wrote up the intro to it. Jod is to blame imo

[arsenal_2111]

Jod made it originally, & left it blank. Then Rob wrote up the intro to it. Jod is to blame imo

Yeah, lets just blame him. He'll never know

But in all seriousness, does anyone know how to do this? If not I'll make a thread about it in the Editors Hideaway about it and ask in there. I'm sure someone can help.

[pnefc22]

I know how to do it

Plus, it was me who made it originally, but let's blame Jod anyway

I will get on to it asap. I have not been on much over the last two weeks so, that is why it is not done.

[pnefc22]

You know what, I think we should leave it on for now. Since there's so much you can do with the editor, I think we should leave it as a stub until it becomes a difinitive guide on using the editor.

Hold on, I made an editor guide for someone else last week, & sent it through PMs. Hopefully I still have it in my outbox, then it'll just be a copy & paste job!

Have you got them in your outbox?

[arsenal_2111]

I know how to do it

Plus, it was me who made it originally, but let's blame Jod anyway

I will get on to it asap. I have not been on much over the last two weeks so, that is why it is not done.

Don't worry, I've got it sorted now

[ahmufcwafc]

Have you got them in your outbox?

No, it's been cleared out since then. All I have left are the screenshots I used.

[pnefc22]

Upload the screenshots and post them in and I will use them to write some of it.

[pnefc22]

Don't worry, I've got it sorted now

I will add more to it tomorrow. I have added some but it is not enough.

It will be alright to remove the stub tag tomorrow onece I finish it which won't take long.