Football Manager Wiki

[ahmufcwafc]

peter,jod,alan i just looked at football manager on wiki were you the guys who posted all that

Yes, we're the guys that run the site.

[peter-evo]

Yes, we're the guys that run the site.

I made it initially, but alan, Jod deserve the credit for keeping it going with Arsenal, Rancer and Rob doing a lot of work.

[jod123]

peter,jod,alan i just looked at football manager on wiki were you the guys who posted all that

Not just us but we are admins. Many people have contributed as anyone is free to edit.

[peter-evo]

well done lads you do good jobs helping out other sites and forums etc

Shucks, we just have too much time on out hands, especially Alan and Jod who seem to be doing everything all at once.

[pnefc22]

I made it initially, but alan, Jod deserve the credit for keeping it going with Arsenal, Rancer and Rob doing a lot of work.

Thanks.

Nice to get some credit.

Wasn't there a 4th moderator?

[peter-evo]

CaptainPlanet did his bit on the old one but hasn't been made an admin for the new site.

[pnefc22]

well done lads you do good jobs helping out other sites and forums etc

Thanks.

Your site is going along nicely as well.

[arsenal_2111]

Thanks.

Nice to get some credit.

Wasn't there a 4th moderator?

CaptainPlanet is iirc.

EDIT: Seems he was.

[ahmufcwafc]

Thanks.

Nice to get some credit.

Wasn't there a 4th moderator?

Oh yes, JJay. He deserves more credit than anyone to be fair

[pnefc22]

CaptainPlanet did his bit on the old one but hasn't been made an admin for the new site.

OK.

I remembered that he was one.

He has registered but has not been on much.

Does that mean that there is a 4th admin spot available ?

[peter-evo]

Oh yes, JJay. He deserves more credit than anyone to be fair

JJay has been fantastic, giving us the url and what-not.

[pnefc22]

Oh yes, JJay, I completly forgot about him. Woops!

He has done a lot of work with the layout of the site etc. , so a lot of thanks must go to him.

I think that we need to set ourselves targets for when we should have stuff done by, and how many things should be done by when, to try and improve the site more, rather than just doing odd bits when there is nothing else to be done.

What do you guys think?

[ahmufcwafc]

Oh yes, JJay, I completly forgot about him. Woops!

He has done a lot of work with the layout of the site etc. , so a lot of thanks must go to him.

I think that we need to set ourselves targets for when we should have stuff done by, and how many things should be done by when, to try and improve the site more, rather than just doing odd bits when there is nothing else to be done.

What do you guys think?

I like it

But how would we organise this properly?

[peter-evo]

It would be nice for the members of SI to show a little appreciation and post a few links as this project is doing very well at the moment and deserves some recognistion.

[ahmufcwafc]

It would be nice for the members of SI to show a little appreciation and post a few links as this project is doing very well at the moment and deserves some recognistion.

It has slowed down a lot recently. I don't think it would be fair for SI to take exception & advertise our site while there are so many other sites that never get mentioned.

Sure we can always use the fansites forum

[pnefc22]

It would be nice for the members of SI to show a little appreciation and post a few links as this project is doing very well at the moment and deserves some recognistion.

I agree and if we do lots more work on it, then I feel that it will be recognised and we can try and get it in next year's manual

A link on the forums would be nice as well.

[peter-evo]

It has slowed down a lot recently. I don't think it would be fair for SI to take exception & advertise our site while there are so many other sites that never get mentioned.

Sure we can always use the fansites forum

Ours isn't a fansite, it is more of an information resource and there isn't another up-to-date one like ours. Just think you and the other lads deserve a little mention.

[pnefc22]

It has slowed down a lot recently. I don't think it would be fair for SI to take exception & advertise our site while there are so many other sites that never get mentioned.

Sure we can always use the fansites forum

Show me one that is as good as ours etc.

[pnefc22]

I like it

But how would we organise this properly?

We would draw up a calender like thing every month.

The main members could inform us of when they will have time to do stuff etc and then, will have targets and will have to have done so many articles by the end of the month.

Just a small idea which clearly needs revising but I feel that it will help the site a lot.

[jod123]

Johnyboy you are welcome to edit any articles you like if you feel you can improve them. You can also also create your own articles obviously. Just create an account on the site.

[Stevicus]

Yeah i have a account
how would i put my site in the affiliates section

Your not an affiliate are you though?

[peter-evo]

Just post a link to it.

I am sure he can be

[jod123]

I just think it is kind of ironic that the spammer seems to have revived the wiki.

[peter-evo]

I just think it is kind of ironic that the spammer seems to have revived the wiki.

,

It reminded me that I have not done much to the wiki and really need to start.

[peter-evo]

not very helpful
would i have to join the site first

He does have a point to be honest Johny. You are not an affiliate but I am sure that can be made possible.

Yes you do.

[pnefc22]

I think that to be an affiliate then, you have to have added a significant number of articles as, it is like free advertising.

I reckon around 10 good quality articles would be a significant amount to make someone an affiliate.

[pnefc22]

not very helpful
would i have to join the site first

I thought that you said that you had an account

[peter-evo]

I think that to be an affiliate then, you have to have added a significant number of articles as, it is like free advertising.

I reckon around 10 good quality articles would be a significant amount to make someone an affiliate.

To be honest, some members of the wiki have put a lot of work into Johny's site and it should be made an affiliate for their benefit.

I am sure you would agree Jod

[pnefc22]

I am a member of Johny's site and have put some work in to help it but I still feel that a spot on the affiliates list should be earned by helping our site.

[pnefc22]

Can we discuss my above post about a schedule as, I think that it is quite important and the sooner we decide, the better

[jod123]

Can we discuss my above post about a schedule as, I think that it is quite important and the sooner we decide, the better

I am not one for schedules as I like editing the wiki when I get a chance and I feel a schedule would just put pressure on. It does have a positive aspect of course as well and I do like things organised but not in this situation. That is just my opinion of course.

[pnefc22]

I see your point, jod.

And, I like that we can edit it when we want etc. but I just thought that it will improve the website if we increased the workload on it.

[ahmufcwafc]

Stupid question but: What's this affiliate business all about?

[peter-evo]

Stupid question but: What's this affiliate business all about?

Just a page to show sites we have a relationship with.

[ahmufcwafc]

Where is this affilates section though? I've never seen it before.

I don't like the idea of making Johny's forum an affiliate, as it doesn't have anything to do with the wiki project.

[peter-evo]

Nor would most of the other 'affiliates' we choose to select.

We do not have a section at the moment.

We do have a relationship with Johny's forum and a link from there to here could maybe help us.

[ahmufcwafc]

To be fair, Johny's forum has the same posters as this forum, so I'd highly doubt it'd make much of a difference.

[peter-evo]

Probably, we do need an advertisement somewhere though.

4000 visits is impressive though.

[pnefc22]

I will create an article in the discussions page for Affiliates about this and we can have a vote there.

I don't think that we should have it as an affiliate yet because it would be free advertising for him and he wants it there, and can have it there once, he contributes to our site.

[pnefc22]

4000 visits is impressive though.

Yes, it is.

And, I am very pleased about this and hope that we get many more as we have all put in a good amount of work to the project.

[pnefc22]

I just checked and where did you get 4,000 views from.

I got:

There have been a total of 22,778 page views, and 1,586 page edits since FM Wiki was setup. That comes to 4.69 average edits per page, and 14.36 views per edit.

[ahmufcwafc]

Probably, we do need an advertisement somewhere though.

4000 visits is impressive though.

Yeah, but it'd be absolutely ridiculous to start advertising something to people who already know about the product.

The place to advertise your sites is the fansites forum. I know you're going to say that it's a project & not a fansite, but if blogs count, I'm sure wiki projects will count as well.

[peter-evo]

Yeah, but it'd be absolutely ridiculous to start advertising something to people who already know about the product.

The place to advertise your sites is the fansites forum. I know you're going to say that it's a project & not a fansite, but if blogs count, I'm sure wiki projects will count as well.

It would definitely help but I reckon we need an official advertisement, either a small reference at the top of GD or even in the links thread.

[ahmufcwafc]

It would definitely help but I reckon we need an official advertisement, either a small reference at the top of GD or even in the links thread.

I will revive the links thread later tonight then, if it's agreed that it'd be a good idea. I'm sure there's plenty of topics to be added by now.

[ssestig]

Why doesn't someone have it in their location?

[ahmufcwafc]

Why doesn't someone have it in their location?

Now that's an idea!

I see you've been working on a few articles today. Cheers for that ssestig, your work seems to go unnoticed around here

[jod123]

Yeah that is good work ssestig.

I was looking through that spammers history and it must be automated as they were literally making around 4 edits every hour of every day since last Thursday evening and I mean every hour. The other thing that makes me think it is automated is why are they just doing that to the 1 page? I just unprotected it a second ago and unblocked both ips and at that exact moment it happened again. So it is protected again and only 1 ip is blocked but the other one is doing nothing at the moment but I bet you if we unprotect the talk page it will happen again from that ip.

[Stevicus]

Johny's Forum is no more, so it wont need to be added to the affiliates.

[peter-evo]

I see, there is nothing we can do then can we Jod except leave it protected.

[jod123]

I see, there is nothing we can do then can we Jod except leave it protected.

For the moment anyway certainly.

[peter-evo]

Only a minor set-back

[pnefc22]

I think that it is best having the whole thing protected as if someone wants to contribute then, they will be more than happy to create an account and it at least lets us have a name for the spammers and means that they have to sign-up to spam which will annoy them and take them longer.

As well, as keeping out automated systems.

[pnefc22]

Johny's Forum is no more, so it wont need to be added to the affiliates.

Why?

What happened to it?

[jod123]

Yeah I was thinking that myself Rob but we have had very little difficulties really and I see some people that are not registered have made some good edits so I think let's leave it for the moment. If it got really bad then that is certainly an option.

[jod123]

Why?

What happened to it?

He closed it down.

[ahmufcwafc]

Yeah I was thinking that myself Rob but we have had very little difficulties really and I see some people that are not registered have made some good edits so I think let's leave it for the moment. If it got really bad then that is certainly an option.

I agree with this. It's fine for now, but we should change it as soon as things start to get out of hand.

[pnefc22]

He closed it down.

Ok. Thanks.

Any particular reasons?

He asked on his thread that he needed a new domain.

[peter-evo]

Ok. Thanks.

Any particular reasons?

He asked on his thread that he needed a new domain.

He had a hissy because someone moaned at him for copying and pasting a thread from here into his forum.

[pnefc22]

Yeah I was thinking that myself Rob but we have had very little difficulties really and I see some people that are not registered have made some good edits so I think let's leave it for the moment. If it got really bad then that is certainly an option.

Yeah, I guess your right, there have been some good edits by anonymous people.

As long as we have the option open to do it, we will always be alright.

But, if members continued to join and then, spam, what would we do?

As if we banned them, they could just re-join.

And, if we banned the ISP, then wouldn't we have to contact the ISP provider or something.

[pnefc22]

He had a hissy because someone moaned at him for copying and pasting a thread from here into his forum.

Thanks.

A bit trivial to close a forum on don't you think?

Who complained? Sorry just trying to get my facts straight

I am busy at the current moment making a different website so, I won't have much time for contributing this week but will do odd bits.

BTW, I created a discussion page about the affiliates. It was concerning Johny's forum but seeing as that is gone, it isn't about that but I still think that us core members should discuss the affiliates.

[arsenal_2111]

Haza555 has just told me that the Kansas City page is empty. To the person who made the page, could you complete the page please? Thanks

[jod123]

There are many pages empty as links were just created and I categorised them. That is not the only one.

[pnefc22]

A few of them blank pages are mine.

But, I will do them. I just need the time and motivation. I might knock up a Redditch article tonight.

[JJay]

Do it! (Motivation enough?)

[ssestig]

Now that's an idea!

I see you've been working on a few articles today. Cheers for that ssestig, your work seems to go unnoticed around here

Just want to keep the Crewe players and team sections up to date. Nothing worse than having information that could be linked that isn't too. KUTGW guys.

[rancer890]

Sorry everyone, I've been a bit busy and haven't had much time with the wiki...

I'll complete the MLS club pages eventually. No worries.

Gotta start with that TFC page soon I think.

[ssestig]

Will we have pages for the cups that are on offer on FM once we have the league profiles sorted?

[ahmufcwafc]

Will we have pages for the cups that are on offer on FM once we have the league profiles sorted?

Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

[arsenal_2111]

Just to bulk out the Wiki, could we have seperate pages for small things, such as stadiums? Like, a page on the Emirates, etc etc. Might not be that useful but it adds another dimension to the project. Or even just add in the interesting ones, like Hull's stadium that isn't the KC.

[arsenal_2111]

Just been on there now, and there was someone who had edited the main page. Have a look in the history page, but it isn't suitable imo and should get him a warning/whatever is given. I've edited it back, can't remember if it was that exactly but it was something like that.

[ahmufcwafc]

Just been on there now, and there was someone who had edited the main page. Have a look in the history page, but it isn't suitable imo and should get him a warning/whatever is given. I've edited it back, can't remember if it was that exactly but it was something like that.

This isn't the first time he's done it either

I'm starting to think that it might be a good idea to only allowed registered users to edit pages.

[arsenal_2111]

This isn't the first time he's done it either

I'm starting to think that it might be a good idea to only allowed registered users to edit pages.

Same - he did the same thing on the Man Utd page, I've changed it back.

[JJay]

Definately an option available

The idea behind allowing it is so that anybody can edit stuff in whether registered or not thus giving a larger user base to who edits. However, with an already active user base who are editing (yourselves!) allowing registered users only to edit may be beneficial

[ahmufcwafc]

What is this SEGA/Eidos split Jod? As far as I know, these two companies have never had any connection

[jod123]

I have no idea and nothing to do with it. I was just reverting similar edits to what were on the main page a minute ago.

[pnefc22]

They used to work together to make CM up until CM03/04 which was their last.

And, then they split to make FM and CM.

[pnefc22]

This isn't the first time he's done it either

I'm starting to think that it might be a good idea to only allowed registered users to edit pages.

Yes, I reckon we only have registered users editing.

[pnefc22]

Just to bulk out the Wiki, could we have seperate pages for small things, such as stadiums? Like, a page on the Emirates, etc etc. Might not be that useful but it adds another dimension to the project. Or even just add in the interesting ones, like Hull's stadium that isn't the KC.

Yes, I think that that could be interesting.

It wouldn't be viewed that much but would be interesting nethertheless.

Has anyone else realised that Reading's pitch on the game is synthetic?

I'm sure that it's not IRL.

[ahmufcwafc]

They used to work together to make CM up until CM03/04 which was their last.

And, then they split to make FM and CM.

Sega & Eidos never had anything to do with each other. It's the eidos/SI split

[arsenal_2111]

I've changed the title etc on that, and developed it a little. Still needs more though.

Also added a few club guides, and redirections (e.g takeovers now goes to board takeovers)

[pnefc22]

Ok, good work!

I think that it could have been my error

[arsenal_2111]

http://community.sigames.com/showpos...95&postcount=4

I have finished EVERY club guide I have been given permission for now, I think I've done about 15 today. Took longer than normal, even though some were shorter than normal.

[jod123]

Fantastic work there.

[ahmufcwafc]

Right guys, I feel it might be a good idea to have a look at some of our current articles & expand on them before diving into new pages. So, this is how things stand at the moment:

Empty Articles
Coaches
Holiday
Physios
D.C. United
Chicago Fire
Chivas USA
Colorado Rapids
Columbus Crew
D.C. United
FC Dallas
Houston Dynamo
Kansas City Wizards
New England Revolution
New York Red Bulls
Real Salt Lake
Redditch
San Jose Earthquakes
Toronto
China - Chinese Super League and Jia League
Scottish Premier League
Training Facilities
Championship Manager 03/04

Stubs
"The Bojan Bug"
Facepacks
Skins
Team Logos and Kits
Database Editor
German National Team
Regen Editing - How to add your own regen
Football Manager 2006
Football Manager Handheld
Football Manager Live
Championship Manager
Sports Interactive
Steam
Anatoli Todorov
Landon Donovan

*Nothing wrong with these "stubs", I just feel that they could do with a bit more content.

So, if anyone has any knowledge or interest in working on on those topics, could you please have a look at them. Thanks

I'm going to add a bit onto some of the stubs as soon as possible.

[peter-evo]

Right guys, I feel it might be a good idea to have a look at some of our current articles & expand on them before diving into new pages. So, this is how things stand at the moment:

Empty Articles
Coaches
Holiday
Physios
D.C. United
Chicago Fire
Chivas USA
Colorado Rapids
Columbus Crew
D.C. United
FC Dallas
Houston Dynamo
Kansas City Wizards
New England Revolution
New York Red Bulls
Real Salt Lake
Redditch
San Jose Earthquakes
Toronto
China - Chinese Super League and Jia League
Scottish Premier League
Training Facilities
Championship Manager 03/04

Stubs
"The Bojan Bug"
Facepacks
Skins
Team Logos and Kits
Database Editor
German National Team
Regen Editing - How to add your own regen
Football Manager 2006
Football Manager Handheld
Football Manager Live
Championship Manager
Sports Interactive
Steam
Anatoli Todorov
Landon Donovan

*Nothing wrong with these "stubs", I just feel that they could do with a bit more content.

So, if anyone has any knowledge or interest in working on on those topics, could you please have a look at them. Thanks

I'm going to add a bit onto some of the stubs as soon as possible.

Done a very light draft of the 'holiday' section but could someone improve it and add a picture when you get the chance. Thanks.

[pnefc22]

Actually, there is something wrong with one of the stubs and it is mine.

It is the Regen Editing article, as I have only outlined why would you want to add your own regens, and not explained how yet.

I will go into more detail on more articles tomorrow.

[pnefc22]

I have added a discussion page about the Stadiums.

And, whether they could have their own pages as well or not.

[arsenal_2111]

[Which pages need developing]

I'm glad to see that I made none of them, thought I had left one blank for a bit

I'll try and develop the FMH page in a minute, but I need to do the PSV page first.

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Out of interest, why do we have discussions? Surely we can just use this forum?

[pnefc22]

I guess we could use this thread but I guess that it is for the privacy.

[arsenal_2111]

I guess we could use this thread but I guess that it is for the privacy.

But it's a wiki, anyone can access the discussion page

[ahmufcwafc]

Out of interest, why do we have discussions? Surely we can just use this forum?

I have no idea tbh. I've never used them so I'm not the right person to ask.

[pnefc22]

Yeah, I know but it is only us 'die-hard' members who go on the discussion page.

'Die-Hard'

[arsenal_2111]

Also, any news on the SI affiliation?

[pnefc22]

I am having problems linking pages to the category stadiums.

I think it may be due to a redirect page we have from 'stadiums' to 'Stadia'.

I have deleted the re-direct information but I can't delete the article, because I am not a mod.

[pnefc22]

Also, any news on the SI affiliation?

Not sure.

Has anyone actually tried to contact them?

[peter-evo]

They contacted me, Alan and JJay but I have heard no further updates. He basically told us what it involves and told us our project was unique.

[ahmufcwafc]

Also, any news on the SI affiliation?

Okay, I haven't said anything about this here yet, so I might as well mention it now.

A few days ago, CaptainHaddock sent me a PM saying that he'd be interested in making us an official offiliate of SI. We'll be mentioned in the affiliates section on the FM website, & we'll also be on the official facebook page. I think this is great & just the type of advertising we've needed. We should be made an affiliate soon enough.

[arsenal_2111]

I am having problems linking pages to the category stadiums.

I think it may be due to a redirect page we have from 'stadiums' to 'Stadia'.

I have deleted the re-direct information but I can't delete the article, because I am not a mod.

What stadium is it for? I'll try and get it sorted.

[small Mac]

Okay, I haven't said anything about this here yet, so I might as well mention it now.

A few days ago, CaptainHaddock sent me a PM saying that he'd be interested in making us an official offiliate of SI. We'll be mentioned in the affiliates section on the FM website, & we'll also be on the official facebook page. I think this is great & just the type of advertising we've needed. We should be made an affiliate soon enough.

Excellent news

[pnefc22]

We have been spammed again!

This is getting very annoying!

It is the same message on three of the pages but I cannot post it on here.

The pages are the United States, Hoffenhiem and Russia pages.

I am not a mod(It would help if I was ) So, I cannot change it back.