Does anyone even use the 'Give Injection' option?

[AndreTheShadow]

I remember using this option once for a big game in FM06, and my player was out for 4 times longer than he would have been without it. After that, I decided to never use the option again.

Is it even worth the risk? Even if you do give it to someone, their condition is never much higher than 70%, anyway. I'd much rather play the game without a key player than risk having them out for longer.

[MeLikeFM]

i never did it but might for a cup final maybe

oh wait once i did it for a reserve player and didnt play him
he had a face
i didnt like it

[ahmufcwafc]

I used the option once in FM07, after one of my key players got injured a few days before the Champions League final. So obviously, I wanted him to play. He refused to take the injection, put in a transfer request & left in the summer. Needless to say, I haven't used this feature since

[DanGLiverpool]

Once, because my other goalkeeper option was a not so good 17 year old, and it was Bromley vs Aldershot in Fa Cup replay. I won on penalties.

[SucksAtFM]

i used it once in a fm game a few years ago. the player rejected having the injection and didnt like me much from then on for asking him to have it. havent used it since

[AndreTheShadow]

So a wholly useless option then...

[pyewackett]

So a wholly useless option then...

It is there for a reason, it seems that it maybe useful for only one game, in my experiance. I've been burnt when using this feature in the past. I'll never use it again. As I am to scared too.

[Crpls]

I use it if my next game is important and it's one of my players I desperately need for the game. Of course, sometimes they refuse.

[forzautd]

so it is useless. becuase they usually refuse and get the hump! I would say this is one of the things wrong with player personalities. If you asked, say, messi to take an injection before the champs league final, he would 1)take it so he could play in the biggest game in club football and 2)be pleased that you think so much of him that you would rather he play injured than put a fully fit lesser player in as replacement.

[Edit] haha, literally my next continue Cerny got injured just before the playoff final. Guess what I chose after saying all that? lol.

[pyewackett]

Sod's law a right pain in the royal arse.

/Touches, wood

[forzautd]

won on pens. QPR in the prem! So I guess it is worth giving injections, for keepers anyway. especially if your backup is lee camp!

oh god, my team is nowhere near good enough to compete in the prem. yo-yo year for me!

[Iselilja]

A player with a professional attitude and high determination should accept injection, and not start to dislike the manager. It is normal for keyplayers to play with injections if the injuries does not get much worse if they keep playing. Broken/bruised ribs is a good example, here it is very normal to play with injections, and there is a chance that playing with infections will not ruin the recovery. A professional players should actually prefer to play with injections, instead of not being able to play.

For some injuries, like footinjuries, back injuries etc, it is ofcourse not much of an option to play with injections since it is logical that the injury will not heal well if you play with injections.

[ScobieB]

I've never used it, but I can envisage situations where I would use it. So an important game going up and no other important fixtures in the next few weeks

[pyewackett]

A player with a professional attitude and high determination should accept injection, and not start to dislike the manager. It is normal for keyplayers to play with injections if the injuries does not get much worse if they keep playing. Broken/bruised ribs is a good example, here it is very normal to play with injections, and there is a chance that playing with infections will not ruin the recovery. A professional players should actually prefer to play with injections, instead of not being able to play.

For some injuries, like footinjuries, back injuries etc, it is ofcourse not much of an option to play with injections since it is logical that the injury will not heal well if you play with injections.

Huh.... well I never.

I never have looked at this way. It's just because in past games, with misjudgment on my part lack of game experiance. This has never paid off. I don't have the balls to do it any more. Though from your explaination this would make sense the reasoning for doing so. I do think of the long term aspectics & effectics that this can have. I don't have the luxury to do this. It can often turn into sods law if I do choose it as I have replace a player who's playing football history is destroryed from him playing one game, its Physio or Specialist every time for me.

However those are good points, and suggestions, I may even consider this in the future. You never know.

[Neil Peters]

I have tried to use it a few times, once successfully for Vidic, then both Rooney and Ronaldo refused for different important games, got the monk on and wanted a transfer.

[jkae]

i always save it before i give them injections, i always do it before international breaks, or if their replacement is injured and will be back in a week. In 09 its alot better for the players taking it!

[Blaupunkt]

ive used it a few times, get 2 or 3 injures to 1 position and your left with no choice, i guess it also depends what team you manage and at what level, managing mansfield town for example with a small squad sometimes you dont have any other option. id say about 90% of the time they accept and less than 20% of the time are they out for longer, i also guess it depends what type of injury they have in the first place.

[ulrich87]

I used it once when my towering defender was injured before a match against chelsea. He ended up being man of the match with 100% success rate (tackles and headers)

[senorcoo]

I've never used this feature, but let's be honest - it's poorly implemented. I mean, it guarantees a longer recovery time? That's silly. Players take cortisone shots all of the time to get them through pain. Some players go a whole season taking them to avoid surgery. This is something SI needs to look at with a more critical eye. The intent is good, but the implementation is poor. A feature that few people EVER use, even once? Come on!

[Crpls]

I mean, it guarantees a longer recovery time?

It doesn't guarantee it, it's just a possible risk if they aggravate the injury during the match.

A feature that few people EVER use, even once? Come on!

I'm gonna go out on limb and suggest getting accurate statistics on how many people use injections and how often is impossible. This message board is not necessarily representative of the general FM playing population.

[Suma]

I used it couple of times and sometimes it worked, others times it just adds more injury.... I don't bother using it unless the next game is important for my season or is a cup final.

[emgergo]

3-4 times, only in finals or key promotion clashes. Results are mixed

[moneyhero]

like most only use it if i must, i used it once in a play off semi final as one of my midfielders was suspended so had no choice (lost the final anyway).

if i have a build up of fixtures towards the end of january and aug, and i am selling the player in question, untill a replacement is signed i will always inject him and give him a run out to keep other players legs fresh, as i know he is leaving anyway have done this 3 times now...wrong i know, probably wouldent happen in real life but im sure similiar circumstances have happened where a manager gets as much out of a departing player before he goes

[BenArsenal]

Used it once, on Ronaldinho before a European game.

He played poorly anyway, so I've never used it since.

[Iselilja]

It is very poorly implemented in the game, that is true. It should only be an option for injuries where a player can actually play (like bruised/broken ribs, hand/arm injuries etc, and NOT for important foot injuries etc, where the body needs to rest to recover).

So basically, for these kinds of injuries which does not stop the player from playing because of the injury, but only because of the pain, it should be an option, but not for serious injuries etc.

As mentioned also, a player with a professional attitude should be much more positive to take an injection.

[Pricey85]

I tried to use it on Owen a few games back and he refused it and got shirty with me citing his worries that it could shorten his playing career or some such. Moaning jessy.

[giblets_of_fire]

It definately happens in real life, this season Rory Delap has been having injections before most games due to an ongoing shoulder complaint that stops him doing his long-throws.

As for me i dont think i have i ever used it. Never seems to be the right time

[NotWordsButDeeds]

I just used the injection option on Veloso. He got injured in a league game on the Saturday and I had the semi-final of the Champs League on the Wednesday. It's the first time I've used it.

However, when I get to Wednesday he's still showing an orange injured tag and his fitness is only 87%. Does anybody know if this is normal??

Just as an aside, he was OK taking the injection. I don't know if that has anything to do with his 'resilient' character or him having a worldwide reputation.

[ndebergerac]

I asked Shay Given to take one in FM 2008, he refused and got a bit peeved with me.

I've honestly never had a key player injured for a CL final or league decider since, so have never needed to consider using it again.

I just used the injection option on Veloso. He got injured in a league game on the Saturday and I had the semi-final of the Champs League on the Wednesday. It's the first time I've used it.

However, when I get to Wednesday he's still showing an orange injured tag and his fitness is only 87%. Does anybody know if this is normal?? .

I'd assume that's normal. The injection doesn't get a player back to fitness, it just takes away some of the pain/discomfort allowing a player to get through 90 minutes.

[Misodoctakleidist]

I think the negatives of giving a player an injection are far too dramatic. In real life you often hear about players taking pain killing injections till the end of the season to delay the need for surgery.

[Crpls]

I think the negatives of giving a player an injection are far too dramatic.

I would argue the exact opposite--we probably have no idea what it's really like to delay surgery by getting injections before every game and playing on.

It's not healthy for the body.

[Misodoctakleidist]

What I mean is that players in real life often play for months on pain killing injections, but that just can't be done on FM because their condition wouldn't good enough and they get injured after a couple of matches anyway.

[Donners]

Once in 34 seasons, for the final game of a league season. And since results fell our way before then, he wasn't needed anyway.

[Cerrano]

I used it once successfully. But after reading some of these stories will probably never use it again.

[Harper]

In FM07, I used it once on Van Persie just before a league game against Man U nearing the end of the season. It was a must win game and I needed VP on my left flank.

I'm pretty sure I ended up winning. Before the next game, I had the option of giving him another inject, but I left him to he physios.

Had the option with Fabianski in FM08. Used it once and tried again for the next game, but he refused.

[phnompenhandy]

I've risked it on a very few occasions, and to my memory never successfully. Either the player refuses and gets very upset, he accepts but by the time the game comes around he's on a red injury anyway and can't play, or he's on orange with condition so low he's a liability.

I like Isilelja's logic - trouble is my key players with high professionalism and determination are the last ones I want to risk upsetting and so would rather sacrifice a vital match than lose their good will.

I do agree with the general sentiment that it should be better implemented, especially with SI having some special relationship with the specialists at www.physioroom.com or whatever that site is.

[pauliowigs]

I don't think i've used it on 09 yet, but i've used it on 08 and probably 07. Normally in the play offs, and more often than not for a goalkeeper. I've normally used it to sucess.

One time I gave my goalkeeper an injection for the second leg of the playoff semi final, and then a further injection for the final. His condition does drop and you do keep an orange injury tag by him. However, despite this on both occasions he performed well.

I have also experianced a player refuse the injection before, but on a previous version. He didn't ask for a transfer or anything dramatic. I believe promosing players/developing stars and top athletes are more likely to refuse. I believe the guy who refused mine said something along the lines that he was young and didnt want to take such injections in case they prohibited his career development. I must say this was in a previous version, but I don't suppose its changed much.

On a side note, does anybody play/use players who are only back in "light training"? and to what effect? this is something i pretty much never have the guts to do.

[richardc316]

I have never used it. I can only really see it working for goalkeepers. If its an outfield player i can only see 1 of 2 things happening:
1: The player refuses and gets upset with you.
2. The player plays at about 70%, won't make much impact in the game and you'll have to take him off in the 2nd half. + He'll then be out injured for even longer!

[AlexNFFC]

No, I've never used it and hopefully, never will. Mainly because the player is always out for longer after the injection than they would be without the injection. I also wouldn't want to risk upsetting a star player.

[pandemonium]

As a rule i only give it for a big game to a player that is irreplaceable ... in other words if i absolutely have to. And i wouldn't inject a primadonna player bc even if they accept they are likely to play like pants cause they will be thinking how it hurts too much.
But highly determined, highly professional players and leaders will play with the injury like its not there, even better.