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  1. Really enjoying this thread and I think you're on to something with the "Attacking" mentality. "Projection" can obviously be interpreted as sit deep and play on the counter but for my money "Attacking" in FM has always produced the best transitional football as your players commit gung ho to every counter. Sure, it's risky, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
  2. Always hard to say exactly what is happening without seeing the tactic and your players live, but the xG alone shows you aren’t creating quality chances. Running the numbers quickly, 18 shots and 1.84 xG means an average of 0.1 xG per shot. Assuming you had a few 0.2 or maybe a 0.3 chances, the bulk of your shots are much lower. Compare it to Charlton who have 0.15 xG per shot, it seems small and you were definitely unlucky to lose 4-0, but that’s a 50% increase on your average. Are your players shooting from outside the area or from odd angles? Or if in the box crowded out by defenders? When you’re playing such an aggressive setup like your 4-2-3-1, you need to think about player movement much more. Is the CF(S) meant to be a creator? If so who is scoring the goals? I only see the Shadow Striker who will reliably move ahead of him. The IF(S)’s will occasionally bomb forward but their instinct will be to get involved in the buildup and take long shots when they find space. As for the 4-3-3, I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve. It’s aggressive without being overly committed to attacking. It looks like it could be a counter tactic but the movement on the wings is far too basic with both wide forwards cutting in. When a natural counter attack occurs, your wings are essentially vacated in the transition.
  3. There are two things to keep in mind about Guide to FM. As Rashidi says, SI aren't involved and GtFM don't name any sources for their information. So their entire guide and particularly their "Rate my Tactic" app are based on their own findings and algorithms for what should work in FM. The guides are extremely verbose and often confusing. They invent so much terminology that it's really hard to glean what they mean. I've tried using their tactic builder guides myself for a bit of fun and even FM veterans can easily get lost in the minutiae without really understanding what you're doing. Personally, I use their Rate my Tactic app occasionally for a second opinion as it helps you to think about a balance of duties and will certainly highlight very unbalanced tactics. But time and time again I have plenty of success using tactics that their app deem as problematic so it shows that tactic creation is really much more subjective than the formula they have come up with. If you're stuck with tactic creation, the timeless "Pairs and Combinations" from llama3 can much better help you build a tactic that makes sense and is much easier to understand.
  4. Excuse the ratemytactic screenshot (as usual it says my tactic - that I know works with the right players - is not up to scratch ), I'm at work so FM isn't loaded. I got the WTM working in this specific system by putting the Playmaker close to him and using support roles on the opposite side, allowing him to find space and isolate the opposition FB. The direct balls played out to him in the buildup were mostly layed off to the AP(A) who either carried the ball, used the gaps that came through the switch of play to find the Advanced Forward or recycled via the DM, BBM and IW, allowing the WTM to drift up front again. He scored lots of goals by holding up the ball, interchanging passes with the AP/AF and being played in off the opposition FB. He also assisted 15-20 times a season with cutbacks and through balls to the AF. Finally, while recycling, he could target the oppositon FB and if the WB(S) or the IW(S) tried a deep cross to his side, he would often win the header, scoring 5-10 goals a season or knocking it down for another player. Obviously this isn't the only way to get the WTM working but it's how I achieved it. My WTM was also fast and technical, a classic lumbering Target Man would probably struggle in this set up. And of course you need a really intelligent and fast Playmaker to pull it off too.
  5. I actually think you've got the overlap on the wrong side. In my experience a Raumdeuter works better when the wide play is a little focused down the other side, allowing him to lose his marker in the box/at the back post. I would use an attacking FB/WB on the left and the IFB behind the RMD. This shouldn't be your only route to goal but is more logical than having the overlap on his side forcing him to make runs later when the box is more congested, especially as you're using WBIB.
  6. This might be really old information now but back in the day, the only attribute that was affected when a player plays in an unfamiliar position was Decisions. In its most basic, you could see it as a modifier (i.e. -3 Decisions) - don’t quote me on this being how it works these days. All the other attributes weren’t affected. I personally never have problems playing players in new positions, as long as they have the attributes for it. I think it’s reasonable to expect wobbly performances until they’re accomplished. How long it takes is affected by the hidden attribute “Adaptability” - again maybe this old information and there are now other things at play?
  7. I live in Germany and I'm a Bochum fan. I watch the Bundesliga most weeks, at least the highlights. I don't agree that they all just use Gegenpressing, but they certainly almost all play in the transitions much more capably than other leagues. IMO this has a lot to do with the quality of defender in the Bundesliga, not just the tactics/coaching. I remember years back everyone going on about Man United being stupid to get rid of Chicharito becuase he was scoring for fun at Leverkusen and I couldn't help but think "yeah but 15 of his opponents have basically 2nd league quality defenders". If anything I think Löw, Klinsmann, the class of 2014 and Manuel Neuer have all had just as much of an impact with their technical revolution, meaning defenders and goalkeepers are more likely to be better on the ball than off it. You're right to an extent that Bochum are "built" for the Gegenpress, in so much as they possess lots of players with a great work ethic, but that's not all that matters. You need the technique at speed, decision making and above all, elite fitness to pull it off IRL every week. Bochum have had their fair share of players made of glass in recent years (becuase it's what they can afford). And technique is not something I'd expect to see in abundance at the Ruhrstadion. I get your angle but Europa League with their 22/23 squad is really unrealistic. Also you've made my point for me when you talk about rest defence. Why didn't my mate concede 3-4 goals a game? IRL teams would be smart enough to pick Bochum off even if the are being intense. Or like you say, both teams press like hell and the result becomes a coinflip. Either way it proves my point that my mate's result shows there is a meta and that it disappoints me that I'll always have that temptation, when playing a completely different style, to flip the Gegenpressing switch in order to start getting success. Like I said, I'm not overly arsed that this is the case, but I'd prefer if it wasn't.
  8. I don't mind there being a meta or exploit tactics. If people want to go that route, it's a game that you can run as a simulation if you want, so feel free. I have big sympathy with SI as it must be a nightmare to balance something like that. The bit that gets to me is that I will always feel I'm at a disadvantage if I don't use the meta. I often wish I didn't know it but I guess it's been fairly similar for 6-7 years now - gegenpress to death. Last year I had a save with VfL Bochum where I tried to build a sensible defence oriented tactic to keep us up and had really mixed results. Barely stayed up and didn't really have the funds to revamp the squad so felt I was in a groundhog day sort of situation. Told my mate about my predicament and how hard it was with Bochum, he fired up a save with an Attacking, Gegenpressing tactic and got Europa League with them first season. Proper killed the save for me. I know I could be safe in the knowledge that I was being "more realistic" but the difference was so stark. The other point I'd make is that football is a lot more random than FM makes us feel it is, so I guess the wild results or swings if you decide to up the tempo, pressing etc. and give the opposition a headache, aren't that unrealistic. IMO the only solution is to make Gegenpressing a lot harder to pull off. Unless you have elite physical specimens and elite physios/sports scientists, it should essentially be off limits as a main tactic. There might be uproar in the community if this was the case, but perhaps the tactic creator will move away from the on/off switches it currently has eventually and pressing wil become as smart as IRL where teams conserve their energy in certain phases.
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