Panosgeo79

Hi Johnny Ace Brilliant thread indeed What are your thoughts of using a roaming playmaker and a btb as 8s in front of a dm on defend or a halfback? Do you think that you need a talented team to cover them in defence?

i agree on this but its the beginning as I said he can surely help you better than FM assistant managers or 50% of FM gamers. And its the GPT3.5...

For example yesterday i asked GPT to create a guide for my beloved 433 DM system,roles ,pairings etc You cant even believe how much details has put in it. Just check for yourself with the right questions. And all these.without.even scratching GPT 4 or at the end of the year GPT 5... FM 25 would be most probably amazing. Ofcourse there js a chance that we could be servants of AI untill then😀

Just to add, this ChatGPT and the following relatives,will change the world as we know it. We are only in the beginning. Game industries will be a massive upgrade especially dealing with NPC ,dynamic scenarios , different paths and many more. Things we we cant even imagine. SI must and should catch the speed of it otherwise will be catched by some other relative company. The potentials are limitless especially for games like FM

You are too attacking.I would start by changing iwbs to iwbd. But in my mind in a positive mentality you must have a top team to leave alone a regista as a DM. You need someone next to him ,i would change also passing to mixed while i would remove prevent GK short distr .

Hi man Just to say my opinion The first formation is too attacking that you will find yourself exposed Furthermore you won't find space to attack. The second is even worse defending. What you have designed suits in both cases to direct football. So the the first question you have to answer yourself is my team able to play attacking risk football? Is it one of the favorites in your championship? Do you have dominant players for a dominant style of play? Cause gegenpress is a dominant style and your players must be really capable to play it. 433 is an excellent formation for such dominant style but more for possession based tactics.Not that you can't play gegenpress but I believe 4231 suits better. In my humble opinion and from my little experience if you want to play high risking football you must balance your instructions properly. What I mean? You are doing the same mistakes I was doing in the past. My advice remove every team instruction and while watching the game add one a time to spot the changes during games. You won't realise what these are without testing them one a time and see it during matches.Plus you dont need so many TI to play. The same do with player instructions. Then balance things With positive risk choise you need to consider how many attacking duties you will put.Since there will be no space behind to attack while there will be few people to defend. 433 is a style that it's perfect for pressing high.But if you combine it with positive risk and attacking duties...then be sure your team has to be really good. Positive risk also suits better to overloading or interchanging football which means more support duties to cooperate together to open space or to overload the opponents third. So I would start by changing some duties SK- support duty..you dont need at duty there WBs- both of them will go forward runs really often.No need to send them early attacking.They have to defend also remember CDs- in my opinion you dont need 2 BPDs.Just one.Balance is the key.Not force things.Have someone to pass safe also there to more advanced guys and not hurry up things.So 1 of them to keep it simple,so put an CDd there DM - with aggressive WBs going forward what a better role than a HB in that position.Especially in positive mentality CMs right- carrilero is fine .Just put him with forward runs CMs left - box to box midfielder but with forward runs too. In 433 you have in front of the CMs a huge space.its important 1 or even both of them (my choose always) to run into it with forward runs AM right - IFa the best scorer and the one that the others find him with direct passes just to mix things AM left - IFs the other scorer but reaching the penalty area at different times while can help in overloading the area.Remember we have a WBs and a BTB midfielder with forward runs...Since I am playing older FM version IFs has no locked forward runs.So if it is the same dont chance it.Leave it as it is WITH NO FRs.Or otherwise put there an IW ST just a PF in support duty to do the job and help in build up All of the above in positive risk style playing dominant and pressing hard with high lines Also I would try to sign a carrilero with good passing ,vision,decisions,technique and flair.the better the best Then you will have an industrial play maker there As about TI i would start by playing shorter passing since you will have a lot of overloading game and be more disciplined just to balance slightly things DL and LOE high ( for FM 22 and 21 at least but you got the idea in FM23) No counter No counterpress especially in the beginning.Put it there during the game and how the things are going Remember again to play is such attacking risk with a dominant formation you need capable players according to your league Hope that I helped

You have to consider the rest roles of your team for instance in my 433 i play with a right WBs and a left FBs with forward runs and underlaping an IWs with stay wider PI while my left midfielder is an CMa. Then you have to think that if those FBs go forward what DM should i use. I chose a HB to make a 3 back line for better protection even if the left FBs in not as aggressive as the right who goes all the way up most of the times and start higher So what matters is the rest roles of your team and their duties

For me the ground breaking was when i realised what attributes mean and the combinations of them. for instance i couldnt understand why good level opponents pass through my midfield Then i realise that i need not only off the ball att but also positioning among others. Attributes are the most important thing and make a mediocre tactic look good Anyway about the formation start to think who will pass,who will run for the ball and who will cover the space Its a good start point to make a good formation in order to beat an opponent

I meant do you use a specific number For example I think positive and possesion style suits at most 2 attacking duties . In the past you could play amazing possesion with no even one attacking duty but from FM 20 I think that changed. Balanced I find 3 attacking looks good in possession Do you follow something like that?

Regarding 433 since you lack penetration and based on cautious you are too passive with your roles. Use more aggressive roles in this mentality. Check Cleon topic Art of Possesion to get an idea By the way remove more often pressing when you defend low

Is there a correlation between mentality and attack/support duties in your mind and the style you want to achieve?

Cleon when you referring to agressive roles you arr speaking about roles that have forward runs or take more risks or dribble more i assume? So you prefer to use such roles with cautious in Positive or Attacking mentality Furthermore in your possession tactic you play as fairly narrow but in a narrow formation too. I got that you want to play as close as possible to find passes but isnt an overkill?I see though your WB give you width

My observations I would remove direct passing since as an underdog most probably you re not good at passing and furthermore if it is given to anyone in such a level wont be a good thing.I would preper to give it to the players that have good passing,vision,technique, decisions,anticipation,tramwork and maybe flair. Otherwise just play default passing 2.You are lacking penetration from right wing 3.test cautious mentality as an underdog too 4.remove run at defence.Most probably you are.lacking dribling,agility,balance,pace,acc as a bottom team.No need 5.remove distribute quickly too. 6.just leave it simple.A great advice from a person here was if you would like to learn how to play the easiest way is to take a big club.i agree on that. Underdogs dont forgive mistakes 7.in your position i would play mostly on low block,counter,regroup, cautious mentality for start without something else By the way 433 is a little demanding for a bottom team cause of the large gaps I would choose 4-1-4-1

I think your formation is ok ,at least for my taste. Just experiment with default passing or removing work ball into box since looks like a overkill for a balanced mentality in my opinion.. Default passing will be better with more att duties since your formation isnt a possession one

Great topic Cleon Do you still believe that for aggressive mentalities it's better to use for possession football less aggressive roles? For example FB I stead of WB,or IW instead of IF or Raum?