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gillsminnow
26-01-2009, 14:14
Basically had an idea for more info regarding merchandising. Sometimes we get a message saying that when we sign a player it will have an effect on merchandising sales.

So how about, in conjunction with the player personality, that players also have another description for marketing and then the figure/sum relating to the amount of money they have contributed to the club so far for that season. It doesn't have to be heavily involved but just give us an indication of how much they're pulling in for the club at any given time for the current season, this should give us a bit more clarity.

I've mocked up a screenshot below of how it could look.

Could also be a table similar to the richest clubs table that demonstrates the biggest merchandise earners globally.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/gillsminnow/marketing.jpg

DanielM_90
26-01-2009, 14:23
That would be a quality addition imo, id like to see that added in :thup:

Trevomac
26-01-2009, 14:27
i agree, a good little addition to help you generate more revenue for your club, particularly in lower leagues

Glenn Wakeford
26-01-2009, 14:32
Good idea, viable to do. I particularly like the Marketing Description entry - if a player is in bad form they could be a "boo boy." :D

markcator3006
26-01-2009, 14:34
Sounds like a good idea :thup: well thought out bud

gillsminnow
26-01-2009, 14:35
Can you mention it to whoever deals with that then please, skorp?

bjoggi33
26-01-2009, 14:37
good idea. i would really like that in the game

KingLara
26-01-2009, 14:38
Yeah good idea. well thought out

KingLara
26-01-2009, 14:39
Actually i've changed my mind


It's a GREAT idea

really is! I think it's something id use when looking to buy a player

cms186
26-01-2009, 14:42
good idea Gills, would be a great idea

Umney
26-01-2009, 14:47
Pretty cool idea Gills, would be a nifty little feature to have.

StephenIrelandIsAGnome
26-01-2009, 14:47
Good idea :) It'd certainly help in the lower realms of the football leagues!

Cityull
26-01-2009, 14:51
I dont want to be rep[etetive now but it really is a goos idea.!

:)

uppercut
26-01-2009, 14:54
this is a great idea, finally you'd be able to see how much those big signing are earning you, as well as those "big in the far east players" too.

Glenn Wakeford
26-01-2009, 14:54
Can you mention it to whoever deals with that then please, skorp?

Sure, it is now logged in our database with a link to this thread. Cheers :thup:

gillsminnow
26-01-2009, 15:01
Cheers skorp, appreciated. Have also added a line of text to the opening post about a chart similar to the richest clubs table.

Bigwig
26-01-2009, 16:17
I’d like some rough estimates given of money made form players, even if they won’t be definite amounts.

Would also be nice if it links to selling a player where you would receive a message from your commercial director saying that you’re likely to lose £xm in lost revenue if you sell the play which could leave you with a dilemma depending on the money on offer.

Do you keep your Chinese winger on the books and continue to reap the financial benefits (some of which will be pumped into your transfer fund hopefully), or do you sell him on and bring in that English guy you’re after, but will generate less income in the long run?

I’d probably just abuse the system though and make my team up of a money spinning XI.

Almondo
26-01-2009, 16:21
Great idea gills.

Trevomac
26-01-2009, 16:44
i particularly like the marketing description, as mentioned above boo-boy, club legend. you could even be more advanced and have the region ie Park Ji-Sung would be the far east.

elgreenio
26-01-2009, 17:27
good idea. p.s. bit of a quiz for you guys, is that aaron ramseys legs or mark randalls in the picture?

; ]

Aaron_AO
26-01-2009, 17:28
seems good but i'd rather they fix the 1000000 bugs + develop long term play before adding new stuff which have the possibility of being even more buggy.

great idea tho mate. :) the numbers i'd rather be in the financial department personally.

small Mac
26-01-2009, 17:33
Not sure how realistic it is to have an exact amount of merchandising revenue per player. Also would you only have this info on your own players, or everyone, or players scouted?

gillsminnow
26-01-2009, 17:38
Financial info on own players only, description only on players you've scouted. And in the table for the biggest merchandise generators the media would give rough figures that they thought were correct.

small Mac
26-01-2009, 18:00
I like this idea and I think those different levels of information would work well. Again though, even for your own players i'm not sure how realistic it is to have exact figures to the nearest pound. Maybe if it was more of an estimate and rated to the nearest £1k, £10k or even £100k depending on size of club, i feel that would be a bit more realistic.

gillsminnow
26-01-2009, 18:08
Yeah am in agreement, when I did the mock up I just pressed a few random buttons. :D

matt_132
26-01-2009, 18:12
Actually i've changed my mind


It's a GREAT idea

really is! I think it's something id use when looking to buy a player

would the scout be able to tell you whether a potential signing's reputation could create a massive profit from merchandising?

good idea btw

rougess
26-01-2009, 19:03
Fantastic suggestion :thup:

Would like to see the scale of the descriptions, ie Global icon, National Treasure / Hero, Local Hero (ie a home-grown fans favourite), etc.

I'd really love to see this in the game

CrashOverride
26-01-2009, 19:56
What a refeshing change this is. Not only a geniunely good idea that could really affect deciding which player to sign but not one negative/stupid respone

Good idea Gills hope to see it in 2010:thup:

lukegjpotter
26-01-2009, 20:32
It could be a hidden Attribute like Consistency, but change in-game like Reputation.

Then somebody could set up a challenge to create the modern day galactoes (sp?) like Madrid were with Beckham, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo and Raul

baker.simon
26-01-2009, 21:07
Pats on the back for GillsMinnow! Great idea mate :thup:

MeLikeFM
26-01-2009, 21:08
best idea ive seen on these forums in a while

Armchair_Athlete
26-01-2009, 21:11
It would be good to see if a player you bought is bringing in much money from jersey sales etc. or helping with deciding which of two back up players to sell but I can't imagine clubs giving out information on how much money a player brings in from merchandise sales to other clubs.

gillsminnow
13-08-2009, 10:09
Any idea if this is being included?

avine
22-02-2012, 10:30
http://i39.tinypic.com/fco5g.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/s5l91t.jpg

so here is where ideas come from:p

jnr_ironside
22-02-2012, 10:43
I think if the figures were approximate it would be great.. Particularly for LLMs

lemeures
23-02-2012, 08:10
would really like to see this implemented more to the op soon. Think its likely?

Jaskiew
11-03-2012, 15:19
I would love to see this implemented too. Too often we have balls idea if a particular player helps our merchandising sales, especially if he has good reputation worldwide and from the same country as our feeder.

stevie_G_32201
11-03-2012, 15:30
Thought this would of happened by now.

haz32
11-03-2012, 15:41
Just realised this thread is 3 years old, get this feature in!

Barside
11-03-2012, 17:40
I think if the figures were approximate it would be great.. Particularly for LLMs
As a LLaMa it wouldn't be of any value to me, my starting club don't have enough fans to fill a bus let alone offer any merchandising income. :D

As for the original idea I can see that it would be very useful for some FM'ers, not something that I'd give any attention too as I have never based my decision of player movements on how much income they generate. If they can play football they're in, if they couldn't identify a ball in a ball-pit they're out.

Nobby_McDonald
12-03-2012, 13:17
I'm along Barside's thinking here. I don't want the income they bring in, but I do like the popularity description.

Pr3D@T0r
12-03-2012, 13:29
I'm along Barside's thinking here. I don't want the income they bring in, but I do like the popularity description.

The extra income is fine I think, and it would be fun to negotiate image rights % shares etc. but it should not become a dominating feature. Anything to add to the immersion is a great addition for me. It would give those of us who like statistics and get pleasure out of the profit/loss margins a little bit extra to play with!

stevie_G_32201
14-03-2012, 01:00
I do actually try turning a profit but never seem to manage it, this might help with that.

hursty2
14-03-2012, 03:54
As a LLaMa it wouldn't be of any value to me, my starting club don't have enough fans to fill a bus let alone offer any merchandising income. :D

As for the original idea I can see that it would be very useful for some FM'ers, not something that I'd give any attention too as I have never based my decision of player movements on how much income they generate. If they can play football they're in, if they couldn't identify a ball in a ball-pit they're out.


I'm along Barside's thinking here. I don't want the income they bring in, but I do like the popularity description.
I don't see why it can't be of help to LLM, if you sign a lower league star/has been they're likely to bring in more ticket sales (albeit very little) but every little counts in LLM, right?

It's like the A-League in it's current state, signing the like of Kewell, Emerton and in the past, Robbie Fowler in order for merchandising and ticket sales to go up.

Nobby_McDonald
14-03-2012, 20:45
I don't see why it can't be of help to LLM, if you sign a lower league star/has been they're likely to bring in more ticket sales (albeit very little) but every little counts in LLM, right?


That's where the popularity rating/description comes in. Both Barside and myself agreed that is a good thing.

Luckz
09-09-2012, 08:08
Sure, it is now logged in our database with a link to this thread. Cheers :thup:
Does this database by chance get wiped every year, or did it just 'not warrant inclusion yet', or has the idea been rejected for the sake of security through obscurity, or?

TacticalGenius
09-09-2012, 09:36
This is a great idea. Why it hasn't been implemented yet I'll never know.

InterWolf
09-09-2012, 10:51
Different clubs could have different types of player that become likely to be fan favourites (either based on players' personality or style of play).

Fabio MVP
09-09-2012, 11:23
I'm liking the idea as well. Would be nice little useful addition. :thup:

nev147
09-09-2012, 13:58
In theory it is a good idea. But how could you calculate the contribution? For me in real life it would be impossible, or certainly very difficult. So in FM then it would be even harder. Merchandising is not just shirt sales. An example would be The Manchester United player Park Ji-Sung. It was believed he brought lots of money into the club through the 'Asian' market... But could we allocate £xm per season to him etc etc. We would be plucking figures from out of the sky. It is the extent to wish a player will contribute. And for me it would be very hard to calculate.

psycho1970
09-09-2012, 16:43
In theory it is a good idea. But how could you calculate the contribution? For me in real life it would be impossible, or certainly very difficult. So in FM then it would be even harder. Merchandising is not just shirt sales. An example would be The Manchester United player Park Ji-Sung. It was believed he brought lots of money into the club through the 'Asian' market... But could we allocate £xm per season to him etc etc. We would be plucking figures from out of the sky. It is the extent to wish a player will contribute. And for me it would be very hard to calculate.

Clubs know exactly how much a player has generated through shirt sales and individual merchandise, a lot of players today have a merchandise deal added to their contract so they get a percentage, if it was implemented into the game it should show only the previous seasons value and have a option in contract negotiations to offer a player a percentage or for a player to demand it.

I've always thought the finances needed improving on FM giving a more structured breakdown and allowing clubs to add sponsorship deals, currently the number of deals you get offered remains the same as when you start the game. So if you start off with a team in the Npower league 1 and get them promoted to the premiership sponsorship money goes up but the amount of deals stays the same, yet manage Man Utd and you get 20+ deals whether you remain in the Prem or not.

hluraven
09-09-2012, 17:38
A general description would be excellent, I wouldn't want detail to the nearest pound though, both as it is impossible to calculate IRL, and because it is dynamic anyway.

But the general idea to include a line in the profile regarding the impact of a player on merchandise/fan opinion is a great one.

Dave80
09-09-2012, 19:34
As well as this the description would help when selling a player - for example as Swansea I sold Wayne Routlege, he was neither an icon or a favored player and yet I still got a message in the board confidence saying that "the fans were disappointed with the departure of Wayne Routlege". IMO it would help when selling a player as you might reconsider if it would harm your relationship with the board/fans.

Dave80
09-09-2012, 19:42
Adding to the above point about the description and relationships with the fans it brought to mind the documentary about QPR that was on the BBC not that long ago, where the owners met supporters trust to give them an update on things surrounding the clubs and took questions surrounding the recent decisions that had been made. Although under the current interaction system I would be reluctant to add this, if it was improved then I would definitely be up for adding this to the game.

Luckz
09-09-2012, 20:20
As well as this the description would help when selling a player - for example as Swansea I sold Wayne Routlege, he was neither an icon or a favored player and yet I still got a message in the board confidence saying that "the fans were disappointed with the departure of Wayne Routlege". IMO it would help when selling a player as you might reconsider if it would harm your relationship with the board/fans.

Was he maybe listed pre-sale under the list of players the fans have a peculiar opinion on? He doesn't need to be a club icon or anything for that.
And if it ends up weakening the team anyway..

Dave80
09-09-2012, 21:22
Was he maybe listed pre-sale under the list of players the fans have a peculiar opinion on? He doesn't need to be a club icon or anything for that.
And if it ends up weakening the team anyway..

Nope, he wasn't - I'd just spotted a replacement who was much better and I needed the cash from his sale in order to put through the deal. It wasn't until after both transfers had gone through that I noticed the fans opinion on the confidence page.

Hauler
24-02-2014, 04:48
What ever happened to this idea? I would like to see who on my team is doing really well in shirt sales and what not and you can't as it now stands.

tommysingh
24-02-2014, 20:09
Was this ever implimented ? Its a great idea