Milldem Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Surely this isn't right? It's season 2, I (along with Leeds) was promoted last season with Leicester. I was in the play-offs basically all season and was still going into the last game. I was dead even with Leeds on points and GD, but had scored 2 more goals. I beat Nottingham Forest 1-0, they beat Fulham 3-2. That meant we had identical records. My head-to-head with them was better (drew away, won at home) and I won more games. Anybody convince me that it wasn't alphabetical order that raped me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If it was thats just unlucky mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockyhammer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Surely this isn't right? It's season 2, I (along with Leeds) was promoted last season with Leicester. I was in the play-offs basically all season and was still going into the last game. I was dead even with Leeds on points and GD, but had scored 2 more goals. I beat Nottingham Forest 1-0, they beat Fulham 3-2. That meant we had identical records. My head-to-head with them was better (drew away, won at home) and I won more games. Anybody convince me that it wasn't alphabetical order that raped me? mildem thats really unlucky but i think that the reason that you missed out was because leeds lost 2 less games then you but tht is really unlucky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4457 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Drew away, won at home should see you above them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavenagh Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 What should be happening is that you play off against Leeds to determine who gets the sixth spot. But prior to that fixture being arranged, alphabetical order is used to decide the league table, after Points, Goal Difference and Goals Scored are taken into account. There's only a problem if that play off against Leeds isn't organised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milldem Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 It wasn't organised as I'm now in pre-season of 10/11. I don't think losing more games is relevant here because surely winning 1 more is equally as important, if not more so? A play-off is the only sound argument I can find, but it obviously isn't built into the game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jod123 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 A play off is built into the game in some cases I think but obviously not this one. As far as I know there should have been one. Yeah there definitely should have been a playoff. This is from Wikipedia. The teams are ranked in the league table by points gained, then goal difference and then goals scored. In the event that two or more teams finish the season equal in all these respects, teams are separated by alphabetical order, unless a promotion, relegation or play-off place (see below) is at stake, when the teams are separated by a playoff game. Bring it up in the bugs forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Take control of Aachen next time just to make sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lung Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 ...did Leeds even win the playoff final and get promoted? I'd be pretty mad if they took a playoff spot and failed to even get promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milldem Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 I was mad enough anyway, but they crashed out in the Semis! It was frustrating because I have never lost to them in the 4 games we've played, and was unbeaten against the other teams in the top 6 as well. For the record, Derby beat Forest 3-2 in the final. Imagine the tension at Wembley in that game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM06Matt Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That is nastily unlucky i bet you didnt take the news well i gurantee.. good luck next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If goals difference is tied it should go down to games won, then games lost. you had a better games won stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Unlucky man but you did a good job getting leicester up to 7th in the table. I agree you should have got the place on games won as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardav Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 did leeds beat you,sometimes did depends on the score between the two of you,i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 In England, only points, goal difference and goals scored are used. None of the stuff like results between teams or games won matter. It should have went to a neutral ground replay with extra time and penalties if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbchuz Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 What jod123 said in post #7 is correct, and everyone else speculating is wrong. It's a bug... and you were incredibly unlucky to be affected by it. Bring it up in the bugs forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimbobWWFC Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 did leeds beat you,sometimes did depends on the score between the two of you,i think. Read through the comments in the thread properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the--dud Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This is clearly a bug, and you were horribly unlucky If I were you'd I'd use fmrte, or the SI FM09 Editor if possible, to change it ... Because it's not fair when it's an actual bug... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horbury Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You should have asked the FL to take 15 points off them. Worked for Doncaster! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This happened in FM 2007 in an International, North American group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackemforever Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I thought that the game went on your two matches against that team in the season. I also thought that was what happened in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jod123 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I thought that the game went on your two matches against that team in the season. I also thought that was what happened in reality. It does in other leagues but not in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 As other people have said you should have had a playoff with Leeds to decide who made it into the playoffs, as odd as that sounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_272 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yeah there definitely should have been a playoff. This is from Wikipedia. Yes, because we all know that Wikipedia is owned and run by the Football Association. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jod123 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes, because we all know that Wikipedia is owned and run by the Football Association. The point of that bit of sarcasm is? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbabaggie Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I think it is decided by how many fans keep saying "we are a big club" Leeds obviously has more! Unlucky mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes, because we all know that Wikipedia is owned and run by the Football Association. Even though Wiki is right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milldem Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 They are a MASSIVE club. As they keep reminding us. Just need Kevin Blackwell to go back and say what a great job he did with NO MONEY!!!!!! God, I hate Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_272 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The point of that bit of sarcasm is? :confused: Humour. 10101010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Humour.10101010 It wasn't funny though. :confused: Anyway, it's too easy to say that about Wikipedia. But the truly intelligent among us are still able to differentiate between articles that have no basis in fact, and articles that are well researched, factual, and informative. Thus, for the intelligent, Wikipedia is a useful source of information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_272 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 It wasn't funny though. :confused: Anyway, it's too easy to say that about Wikipedia. But the truly intelligent among us are still able to differentiate between articles that have no basis in fact, and articles that are well researched, factual, and informative. Thus, for the intelligent, Wikipedia is a useful source of information. If you provide a source upon which the wikipedia article is based upon, yes. It was funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA LOL! < see! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmytom Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The rules section of the league page you showed us should highlight the sorting criteria, does it not? Used to if it doesn't now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The rules section of the league page you showed us should highlight the sorting criteria, does it not? Used to if it doesn't now... Yes, but it only says 'Goal Difference' then 'Goals Scored'. From the GPTG FAQ XIII. How is the English Premier League table ordered?Obviously, the Premier League table is ordered firstly on the amount of points gained during the season. After the points tallied, the goal difference is taken into account. Goal difference is worked out by minusing the amount of goals conceded from the amount of goals scored. If teams are still tied after points and goal difference, then the amount of goals scored is used. Finally, if teams are still tied for a position, then one of two things will happen. If something is at stake, such as a place in Europe, then a play-off game takes place at a neutral venue. The winner of this game recieves whatever is at stake. If there is nothing depending on the positions of the teams, then the teams will tie for the position. That's how the Premier league works, I would assume the Championship is the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pommie Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 That's unlucky. I know the playoff system is in the game and does work, I've seen two teams play a 39th game to see who gets relegated from the EPL... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsgouro Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yes, but it only says 'Goal Difference' then 'Goals Scored'.From the GPTG FAQ Obviously, the Premier League table is ordered firstly on the amount of points gained during the season. After the points tallied, the goal difference is taken into account. Goal difference is worked out by minusing the amount of goals conceded from the amount of goals scored. If teams are still tied after points and goal difference, then the amount of goals scored is used. Finally, if teams are still tied for a position, then one of two things will happen. If something is at stake, such as a place in Europe, then a play-off game takes place at a neutral venue. The winner of this game recieves whatever is at stake. If there is nothing depending on the positions of the teams, then the teams will tie for the position. That's how the Premier league works, I would assume the Championship is the same. What about the prize money, then? Cause a higher position on the table will give a team about 1mil Euros more (talking about the EPL). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdez24 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What about the prize money, then? Cause a higher position on the table will give a team about 1mil Euros more (talking about the EPL). Pooled and divided equally you'd think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloppy Giuseppe Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Why are people saying this is "unlucky"?! There's no luck in it - JUST ANOTHER BUG IN AN UNFINISHED GAME! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw640 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Why are people saying this is "unlucky"?! There's no luck in it - JUST ANOTHER BUG IN AN UNFINISHED GAME! Wondered how long it would take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimbobWWFC Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Although it is very unfortunate, I think we should appreciate how close the league was, and how ecxiting the end of the season was, at both ends of the table! :o And just imagine how great it would have been to finish above Leeds because of games won! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Anyway, my suggestion is to flip a coin. If you guess right, reload until you get in the playoffs and the other teams are relegated as they were at this moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Do you have a save game from just before the match? If we can reproduce the results the developers will be able to see what's caused this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milldem Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Yup, it autosaved the in the week before luckily. What shall I do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maestro74 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 well atleast you did better than me 2nd season with leicester.... i was just a midtable team 2010...then 2011 lost in the playoffs....finally got the 2nd spot and promotion 2012 ...7 points clear of sheffield utd.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 You should have asked the FL to take 15 points off them. Worked for Doncaster! Doncaster didn't ask for 15 points to be taken off them. It didn't make any difference to Doncaster anyway as we'd still have been in the play-offs. The only difference it made was it gave us the wonderful satisfaction of it being Leeds we beat in the play-off final instead of someone else. If Leeds hadn't welshed on their debts they'd have had those 15 points from the start. They've only themselves to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashOverride Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Yup, it autosaved the in the week before luckily.What shall I do with it? Instructions to upload your save to the FTP Wonder how many attempts its going to take to recreate the circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougess Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I'd be so tempted to change the teams name to Leecester, purely because you'd be going up by one letter! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milldem Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 It's been uploaded to the server, Milldem_Leicester-Alphabetical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 take control of aachen next time just to make sure. lol!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALDORFC1 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 my mate is playing as rangers and he doesntt know if this is a bug or not as he still has the 1st patch but 2 teams got relegated from the spl at the end of his second season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaz_Myhills_Left_Glove Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 If you provide a source upon which the wikipedia article is based upon, yes.It was funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA LOL! < see! It's rule B.31 in the FA rules. "Play-offs 31. If at the end of the Season either the League Champions or the Clubs to be relegated or the question of qualification for other competitions cannot be determined because 2 or more Clubs are equal on points, goal difference and goals scored, the Clubs concerned shall play off one or more deciding League Matches on neutral grounds, the format, timing and venue of which shall be determined by the Board." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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