oranjeman Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ok guys every fm we get paid a small fortune to manage our clubs in fm... and every fm we can never spend our "hard-earned" dollars.. so ive decided to create this thread to discuss potential ideas for future versions of fm with what we could possibly do with our pay.... ive got no ideas myself but really would like to discuss any you guys have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebodyfresh Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 It'll be five minutes before someone says "it's football manager, not the sims" and I see their point. The career earnings is a cool feature but I don't think we should use wages for anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethclem2003 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 id like to suspend your "pay" if your team gets in financial trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanpeggs Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 it's football manager, not the sims Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Nothing. Let SI concentrate on the managerial aspect of the game rather than adding in bells and whistle. People whine that they're adding in pointless things just cos they don't work perfectly first time, imagine how they'd react if they did put in pointless things like this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeman Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 id like to suspend your "pay" if your team gets in financial trouble yeh thats a good idea... see getting paid in the game is a negative thing ecspecially in lower divisions its just more negative on the dollars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeman Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Nothing. Let SI concentrate on the managerial aspect of the game rather than adding in bells and whistle.People whine that they're adding in pointless things just cos they don't work perfectly first time, imagine how they'd react if they did put in pointless things like this! pointless things like what... there are no "things" to put in yet we are trying to just brainstorm and discuss some ideas dont come in here giving your 5 cents worth when its not even worth that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roooonaldooo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Get fifa manager... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 pointless things like what... there are no "things" to put in yet Eh? Read my post again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeman Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Eh? Read my post again. yeh i still wana know what those pointless things added to the game were... just the umbrella idea of doing something with manager pay that has some scope and could add a new dimension to the game so why shut it up before you give it a chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftg87 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The only reason manager wages are included is because IRL, clubs pay managers a wage, if this wasn't in the game, the finances of clubs would not reflect those of clubs IRL, you shouldn't need anything more than this from a game regarding wages and if you do, the answer is simple: Go buy FIFA Manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 yeh i still wana know what those pointless things added to the game were... The 3D match engine when 2D was supposedly fine, the effect of media interaction, press conferences with little depth, those are a few examples I've seen people whine about as "pointless". The only reason manager wages are included is because IRL, clubs pay managers a wage, if this wasn't in the game, the finances of clubs would not reflect those of clubs IRL More importantly, if you're paid a higher wage with a longer contract, your job is that bit more stable because if you start doing terribly, the club would have to pay big compensation to sack you compared to if you were on a lower wage, making you that little more safer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4RG4 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There shouldnt be anything you get to spend your salary on, but it should come into play within the game a little more than it does. That could perhaps be said for a lot of FM features but if I were to say that I'd be cruel. Oh I just did. It'd be nice if the media reported on contract negotiations (e.g. taking too long, dispute over pay, manager wants assurances on budget etc), if they mentioned your contract/pay in relation to other managers (i.e. how do you feel, having won numerous trophies with Real United that you are on significantly less than Bobby Davro at Halifax?). Loads of things it could feed into. Just finding the will and time to implement is the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshmay07 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 you should be able to inject cash into your club if they are goin thru hard times or you really want a player ! spech wen you are lower league that extra 5k can help alot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 SI have already said there will be no chance of this happening. Ever. They said this before 09 came out as everyone want it involved in 09. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeezgob Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ok guys every fm we get paid a small fortune to manage our clubs in fm...and every fm we can never spend our "hard-earned" dollars.. so ive decided to create this thread to discuss potential ideas for future versions of fm with what we could possibly do with our pay.... ive got no ideas myself but really would like to discuss any you guys have The money should be spent on nothing, you want to buy things with you money and create a life outside of managing the club then buy Fifa Manager, the ability to spend the wages would be nothing more than a pointless gimmick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thread number 274,238 about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thread number 274,238 about this. and counting... but still there is next year for another 250k threads about it only for them to say NO again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thread number 274,238 about this. I thought it was number 274,237 myself. Must have missed one. Its football manager, not the sims, fwiw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnfieldRoad10 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Has the search function broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ok guys every fm we get paid a small fortune to manage our clubs in fm...and every fm we can never spend our "hard-earned" dollars.. so ive decided to create this thread to discuss potential ideas for future versions of fm with what we could possibly do with our pay.... ive got no ideas myself but really would like to discuss any you guys have If you want to spend it go and play Fifa Manager 09, you'll be back in 10 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM1000 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 One thing that can be made is that if you have more money you will have bigger repuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kewell08 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why would that be true? I bet there are people on higher wages than SAF/Mourinho but they are hardly of greater reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why would that be true? I bet there are people on higher wages than SAF/Mourinho but they are hardly of greater reputation. I bet there isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM1000 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why would that be true? I bet there are people on higher wages than SAF/Mourinho but they are hardly of greater reputation. Can you name just one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kewell08 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think you mean aren't. Or whatever. My problem with that pay=reputation is that you suddenly can increase reputation without actually doing much. Say Liverpool approach you after you start as "International Footballer" and have a good season in the Championship/League One or thereabouts. That happens in the game. Your reputation is certainly not high because virtually no-one outside England watches those leagues. But Liverpool want you, so you negotiate a high wage and bang, you have a high rep even before you do anything. In my FM08 game (I don't know how accurate this is to real life), Juande Ramos was the highest paid manager in the EPL, 100k pounds a week. Nobody else came close. If pay=reputation then Ramos is suddenly more well known than basically any other manager in the game because he is greedy. See the problem? I agree with the idea that wages and contract negotiations could add something to media interaction, posted in a reply somewhere above. The OP's idea has been brought up thirteen million times in the last year - Nobby, you missed about 12.75 million of them - and has been rejected by SI and the vast, vast majority of the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamshankley Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 SI have already said there will be no chance of this happening. Ever. They said this before 09 came out as everyone want it involved in 09. Everyone? I wasn't a fan and i still am not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Everyone? I wasn't a fan and i still am not Ok then a lot of people. I'm not a fan of it either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair_Athlete Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I bet there isn't. Ferguson isn't even the highest paid manager in the premiership Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think you mean aren't. Or whatever.My problem with that pay=reputation is that you suddenly can increase reputation without actually doing much. Say Liverpool approach you after you start as "International Footballer" and have a good season in the Championship/League One or thereabouts. That happens in the game. Your reputation is certainly not high because virtually no-one outside England watches those leagues. But Liverpool want you, so you negotiate a high wage and bang, you have a high rep even before you do anything. In my FM08 game (I don't know how accurate this is to real life), Juande Ramos was the highest paid manager in the EPL, 100k pounds a week. Nobody else came close. If pay=reputation then Ramos is suddenly more well known than basically any other manager in the game because he is greedy. See the problem? I agree with the idea that wages and contract negotiations could add something to media interaction, posted in a reply somewhere above. The OP's idea has been brought up thirteen million times in the last year - Nobby, you missed about 12.75 million of them - and has been rejected by SI and the vast, vast majority of the fans. Or whatever. I can't see Liverpool offer a championship manager the job unless your many years into the game. Anyway that's not got much to do with your original comment. Like ole matey said, can you name a manager on more than SAF or Jose and with a less desirable reputation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ferguson isn't even the highest paid manager in the premiership Yeah but the fella who earns more than him has won the World Cup and has a high reputation which is kind of the point. For instance I can't see Martin O'neil earning great amounts as his ''world'' reputation is not as big as a World or European cup winning manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Yeah but the fella who earns more than him has won the World Cup and has a high reputation which is kind of the point. For instance I can't see Martin O'neil earning great amounts as his ''world'' reputation is not as big as a World or European cup winning manager. Hey you, keep our Martin out of this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hey you, keep our Martin out of this! Was just an example Tom, I know you're a little Villan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Luster Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Well, something I would like to see, is ability to buy a club. Be the chairman, deal with hiring a manager and setting financial restrictions, etc.. That being said, I'm not complaining. Though, I always go with the lowest salary possible when I take a job, because, well, it only hurts the club. In the future, I'd love that. If not...okie dokie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeman Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why would that be true? I bet there are people on higher wages than SAF/Mourinho but they are hardly of greater reputation. please enlighten us and name one since your in behind the scenes at most clubs irl.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavenagh Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Well, something I would like to see, is ability to buy a club. Be the chairman, deal with hiring a manager and setting financial restrictions, etc.. That being said, I'm not complaining. Though, I always go with the lowest salary possible when I take a job, because, well, it only hurts the club.In the future, I'd love that. If not...okie dokie. You really want a Board Meeting Simulator? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair_Athlete Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 List of managers wages at the start of the season http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/2303064/New-Chelsea-manager-Luiz-Felipe-Scolari-will-become-best-paid-Premier-League-coach.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 A better example wolud be the England job. When they employed Sven they took into account he won the Italian league and cup, Uefa cup and various things with Benfica ( I think) so his reputation was high hence the large wages , 6Mil a year or so. When they gave the job to Mclaren they took into account he won the league cup an not alot else so his rep was fairly low, therefore paying him about 2Mil a year. We sack him and get in a bloke who has won leagues and champions leagues all over the place, high rep, wages back upto 6Mil a year. Same job but reputaions determine the wage of the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgrigg Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Why would that be true? I bet there are people on higher wages than SAF/Mourinho but they are hardly of greater reputation. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17111-the-10-highest-paid-managers-in-football The article doesn't reveal its source, but it may be France Football, since they (I think) publish a yearly top 10 list of the highest paid managers. Looks like it includes contract pay-offs for sackings as well, hence Mourinho's mammoth figure. Edit: Armchair Athlete beat me to it! *shakes fist* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I see an interview on Sky Sports news at Xmas with Mourinho. In it they showed an argument he had with the Italian journalists. They had a go saying blah blah you earn ten million a year how can you... he interupted them, pointing out he was on something like 13 million rising up to 16 or 17 ( if I remember right) with sponsership deals. Was highly amusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Luster Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 You really want a Board Meeting Simulator? Not so much. But I think the idea could be worth some thought. I had a 50+ year managerial career in FM 2007, and I think it may have been fun to buy a club, try to get it to make money and be successful. Again, I'm not saying that SI should immediately try to implement such a concept. All I'm saying is that I think it would be an appropriate feature should they ever decide they'd like to do that. Personally, I would enjoy it a well thought out implementation of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jod123 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I am sure I read a year ago that I think it was Roy Keane earned more than Alex Ferguson but that could just be paper talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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