Cityull Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I don't want to offend no-one with this post but should female managers be allowed? there is ladies football with male managers, why not the the way round? In real life there is none, is there? Will there be in the next ten years or 25 years. I am sure that there will be some good female managers out there, what do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Not currently but there are female staff all around the country, from executives to physios etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Should spotty 13-year-old managers be allowed? Should couch potatoes who've never played serious football in their lives be allowed? Should YOU be allowed to manage a premiership club with your experience? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Interestingly, if you use the data editor to search exclusively for managers with the female tag on, there's three! And one of them is actually a manager of a club! Cláudia Malheiros, manager of Andirá (a tiny club, reputation 850) in Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 Should spotty 13-year-old managers be allowed? Should couch potatoes who've never played serious football in their lives be allowed? Should YOU be allowed to manage a premiership club with your experience? Im not saying they shouldn't be allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfDude Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I would find it weird if a woman were to become a manager/assistant in the mens game, especially at a higher level. I'm not saying they shouldn't or couldn't do the job, just that it wouldn't feel right tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Interestingly, if you use the data editor to search exclusively for managers with the female tag on, there's three! And one of them is actually a manager of a club!Cláudia Malheiros, manager of Andirá (a tiny club, reputation 850) in Brazil. Aha! I was wrong then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyMysterio Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I agree that there may not be many female managers around but I don't think that should stop them playing the game! Personally I think a woman playing FM is a way of keeping hold of them rather than them leaving you due to FM commitments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Oh, and for the record, there's bunches of females in other backroom roles in the DB: (note that I haven't scrolled down in any of these that have a scroll bar, so just guess from the size of the scroll bar how many there are in total. Note also that this is 9.2.0) Assistant Manager: (none) Chairman: http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2817/12232008173827gb7.jpg Coach: http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9367/12232008173932zv2.jpg Director: http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/734/12232008173953qm8.jpg Director of Football: http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9375/12232008174014wb2.jpg First Team Coach: (none) Fitness Coach: http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7571/12232008174047vy7.jpg General Manager: http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2955/12232008174103pn2.jpg Goalkeeping Coach: http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3270/12232008174118kl0.jpg Manager: http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8081/12232008174134ao0.jpg Managing Director: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4899/12232008174147wj9.jpg Physio: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4848/12232008174219aa6.jpg (by FAR the largest) Player: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5641/12232008174307kd3.jpg (Three, curiously. Possibly all errors, including one "Derek Moore" of Ballymun) Loads of Player/Backroom hybrids which I can't be bothered to check. Reserve Team Manager: (None) Scout: http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/351/12232008174434na4.jpg U21 Team Manager: (None) Youth Team Coach: http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/280/12232008174501wg7.jpg Youth Team Manager: (None) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Oh, and for the record, there's bunches of females in other backroom roles in the DB:Player: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5641/12232008174307kd3.jpg (Three, curiously. Possibly all errors, including one "Derek Moore" of Ballymun) Fantastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 And one final note on the screenshots above. The "Reserve Team Manager", "U21 Team Manager" and "Youth Team Manager" jobs seem to be curious roles at the moment in that as far as most teams go, those roles are undertaken by other members of staff. Indeed, according to the 9.2.0 DB, there are only two "Reserve Team Manager"s total, neither of which have a club, no "U21 Team Manager"s, and eighteen "Youth Team Manager"s, none of which have a club. I didn't check if they have roles on international sides, but it's still a curious job for the DB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilUK Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Should spotty 13-year-old managers be allowed? Should couch potatoes who've never played serious football in their lives be allowed? Should YOU be allowed to manage a premiership club with your experience? Once again on this Forum someone jumps into an interesting thread that could lead to discussion and without reading properly or understanding the post resorts to negative insulting behaviour! Luckily others kept it on topic, there is no reason why it can't happen, there are alot more female coaches with FA badges than people realise. Also I have to say my girlfriend has been a player of FM since the very first version and she is thrilled that she now isn't called a man in the game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Whilst women are edging in on the sport as a whole I still feel it will be a very long time before we see female managers at professional club or international level. In the same way that I don't think a female version of a sport will ever be more popular or played to same level as the male equivilent. It's not sexist, it's genetics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Whilst women are edging in on the sport as a whole I still feel it will be a very long time before we see female managers at professional club or international level. In the same way that I don't think a female version of a sport will ever be more popular or played to same level as the male equivilent. It's not sexist, it's genetics. I give you Netball to mull over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 Could a female play for a team in the English premier league one day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I give you Netball to mull over. I said "sport" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I'm fussy on my definitions of sport and Netball definitely is one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic_1967 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 mull it over, CP, mull it over dammit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 In that case so is mud wrestling and foxy boxing. My point is if there is a male equivilent of netball (some would argue basketball) then it would be more competitive and more popular than the female version. The lack of males playing netball, or the lack of a professional male netball league isn't down to not being able to play the game at a high level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 In that case so is mud wrestling and foxy boxing.My point is if there is a male equivilent of netball (some would argue basketball) then it would be more competitive and more popular than the female version. The lack of males playing netball, or the lack of a professional male netball league isn't down to not being able to play the game at a high level. Are you sure there isn't a pro men's netball league somewhere in the world? I'm sure I saw something like it on TransWorld Sport one day. And mud wrestling and foxy boxing are not sports, they're titillation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Could a female play for a team in the English premier league one day? At this point, as a West Brom fan, I'm beginning to wish they were allowed! I'd bring in Hayley Phillipowsky from our ladies side at any time! She scored 60 goals last season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jptykes Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ...I don't think a female version of a sport will ever be more popular... Tennis? I'll be damned if I'll watch the men's game but the ladies are much more watchable due to the, erm, skills on show :o I can't honestly see a female manager ever making it in the men's game. Too much sexism. She'd have to break through so many barriers (getting a rep as a coach, getting a board to take her seriously, getting players to take her seriously, getting opponents to take her seriously etc) that it's probably something that's never likely to exist beyond the realms of fiction (anyone remember The Manageress?). Kudos to SI for including the option though, I know of at least 4 female FMers who are happy that they are no longer referred to as 'he.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I'm fussy on my definitions of sport and Netball definitely is one. Darts isn't, though. Darts is a pub game for the obese working classes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Topless Darts! \o/ I miss Live!:TV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Mike I have to agree with you there. Captain planet it's a good job my sister ain't on these forums as she would want to kill you for saying netball isn't a sport. Skorp I think there is a mens netball league as my sisters team played a blokes team the other week and battered them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 There is indeed a men's netball team. I asked my PE teacher many years ago when I was at school. She was netball-obsessed, so I consider her a relatively reliable source. She told me that professional male netballers tend to be quite effeminate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopitelewis Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 i read in 442 magazine that in mexico a woman was too good for the womens game and she plays in the mens league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka.arrogantio Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 FIFA prevented the Mexican club in question from signing the woman. The laws of the game keep male and female players separate. The female players in the FM database are errors. With the female game being separate, and generally of a much lower standard, crossover of female coaches to the male game is likely to remain fairly minimal Female physios and board members aren't uncommon since there are no real obstacles to women taking those roles other than sexism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 There is indeed a men's netball team. I asked my PE teacher many years ago when I was at school. She was netball-obsessed, so I considere her a relatively reliable source. She told me that professional male netballers tend to be quite effeminate. Yeah that's true. I believe my sister called the team they played a bunch of pansies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfDude Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Thinking about it I can honestly say I don't enjoy watching females play -any- sport, not even in a pervy way (I have a girlfriend so maybe that's why) I couldn't even bring myself to watch female tennis or snooker. I'm not really sure what the reasons for it are, I just don't find watching women sports enjoyable at all. Maybe it's just because mens sports are generally much more popular and competitive and as a result more exciting? Or I suppose another logical answer would be genetics, that seems to explain everything related to why a man is programmed the way he is. You know, how cavemen behaved and all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkoVanBasten Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Yeah that's true. I believe my sister called the team they played a bunch of pansies Maybe that was the team name? I live in hope (no pun intended) that Hope Powell will get a job on the men's side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frame Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 At this point, as a West Brom fan, I'm beginning to wish they were allowed! I'd bring in Hayley Phillipowsky from our ladies side at any time! She scored 60 goals last season! You don't think the quality of the ladies league and espescially the keepers of the ladies league are much lower then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 You don't think the quality of the ladies league and espescially the keepers of the ladies league are much lower then? Well of course. It was more a comment about how poor our current strikers are than about how our ladies side is even better. But with regards to unisex sports, I think Tennis is pretty much the prime example. Women's tennis may not be quite as successful, but it's certainly on a level equal to or near that of the men's side. They compete at the same championships (though for different trophies), and there has been largely equal media coverage to both men's and women's. Many of us could name a similar number of female and male tennis players, and if not, then the ratio of well-known male:female tennis players would be much better, I'd imagine, than in most other competitive sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Chess! Both Hungary and Scotland had a woman in their open team at the recent Olympiad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeezgob Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Should female managers be allowed??? That's one of the stupidest questions I've ever seen raised on here. As has been pointed out, should teenage managers be allowed to play the game? Should non-pros be allowed to manage in the game? Should people who've not done coaching badges or courses be allowed to manage in the game? Of course they should! and so should female managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Should female managers be allowed??? That's one of the stupidest questions I've ever seen raised on here. As has been pointed out, should teenage managers be allowed to play the game? Should non-pros be allowed to manage in the game? Should people who've not done coaching badges or courses be allowed to manage in the game? Of course they should! and so should female managers. He's referring more to the real-world game I think. And also he wasn't saying they shouldn't, he was more intending to spark an interesting debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oktober Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I'd think that the main obstacle to female managers in the modern game would be the lack of playing experience most would be likely to have. There are plenty women involved in various aspects of the game, but most come into it from business and medical angles. Coaching and managing seems to be pretty heavily balanced in favour of ex-pros. Women's football is part-time, and in the vast majority of cases, their other job will be their 'real' one, providing most of the potential for advancement in their career and earning potential. For a female player to then stay in the game after her playing retirement wouldnt be a particularly attractive choice in terms of earning potential or career advancement. There's absolutely no reason though why someone very passionate about the sport couldnt make it, and as there are some managers around who have never had a playing career, its entirely possible that one of them could be female. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCIVA11 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 A woman? Managing a football team? HAHAHAHA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted December 24, 2008 Author Share Posted December 24, 2008 He's referring more to the real-world game I think. And also he wasn't saying they shouldn't, he was more intending to spark an interesting debate. thanks dreaded walrus! spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minisav Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 In that case so is mud wrestling and foxy boxing.My point is if there is a male equivilent of netball (some would argue basketball) then it would be more competitive and more popular than the female version. The lack of males playing netball, or the lack of a professional male netball league isn't down to not being able to play the game at a high level. Would mud wrestling go in the same category as wrestling under 'Sports Entertainment' rather than as a sport? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfDude Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Would mud wrestling go in the same category as wrestling under 'Sports Entertainment' rather than as a sport? Sure, if mud wrestling were scripted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minisav Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Sure, if mud wrestling were scripted It's not all scripted! And I'm not even a fan, I just have some basic knowledge of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcormack Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Sure, if mud wrestling were scripted are you trying to suggest that wrestling is scripted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 The argument that something hasn't happened before isn't good enough to say that it won't ever happen. You learn that in the first class of critical thinking 105. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 thanks dreaded walrus! spot on. So if you're point is not related to the Football Manager game, it should be in the off-topic forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 How many more of these BS threads are we going to see about female managers? All they do is act as a soapbox for thickos to come in and write sexist nonsense thinking they are hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Could a female play for a team in the English premier league one day? They never will, unless the F.A. change the rules. They ban mixed teams from the age of 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzautd Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 A woman?Managing a football team? HAHAHAHA! lol that was funny haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzautd Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 How many more of these BS threads are we going to see about female managers? All they do is act as a soapbox for thickos to come in and write sexist nonsense thinking they are hilarious. its just a bit of fun mate. dont join the PC's! its all in jest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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