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HL7
22-12-2008, 13:10
I've uploaded a pkm of a champions league match I had with Shakthar (i'm Inter) where I lost 2-1. Now in the 90th minute I had a low cross into the box and Ibrahimovic tapped in to make it 2-2 only for it to be disallowed. I checked the replay and, to me anyway, it shows Ibrahimovic being in front of the last defender but behind the ball when it's played.

Now I know FM referees sometimes get it horribly wrong, but when I complained to the press after the game I got a warning as the goal was "clearly offside". Perhaps i'm wrong but i'd appreciate it if someone else could take a look at it :)

Match Here! (http://rapidshare.de/files/41188583/Shakhtar_v_Inter.pkm.html)

Evilmaniacuk
22-12-2008, 13:39
Im not going to download it as im at work, (i really should install FM09 here though) anyho, is the player who crossed the ball behind or inline with the keeper, thats offside if it is

HL7
22-12-2008, 13:41
Keeper was on (or very close to) his line, my winger was roughly in line with the 6 yard box.

EDIT: And yes you should install FM at work ;)

Evilmaniacuk
22-12-2008, 13:44
and was the cross blatently backwards or could there have been some scope for crossing it directly across....If not then I guess it's one of those decisions that referee's make sometimes.

dafuge
22-12-2008, 13:53
Looks offside to me (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/dafuge/offside.jpg)

hilton210916
22-12-2008, 13:55
Yeh that's just offside blame Zlatan not one player near him and he still cocks up disgraceful.

PhroX
22-12-2008, 13:55
Looks offside to me (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/dafuge/offside.jpg)

Yeah, looks offside. Poor play by the striker. He can see exactly where the defender is and he's got time and space to position himself properly, yet he gets too far forward.

jack_man
22-12-2008, 14:01
Yep, offside IMO

Glenn Wakeford
22-12-2008, 14:03
Looks offside, hard to tell in dafuge's screenshot due to the camera angle. Damn linesman! ;)

dafuge
22-12-2008, 14:22
Looks offside, hard to tell in dafuge's screenshot due to the camera angle. Damn linesman! ;)

Unfortunately that was the best angle, the camera wasn't in line with the ball on the elevated view which made it look onside.

Was that the camera angle that the match was originally viewed in?

Pompeyboyz
22-12-2008, 14:24
I got a stright rule against my monitor at work and it is defo offside

wyrley_saddler
22-12-2008, 14:34
yep. definately offside

Law_Man
22-12-2008, 14:42
From the screenshot it looks likely to be offside. However, as the ball has already been played, and a still screenshot gives no idea about how fast (if at all) the scorer was moving, there's still a possibility that the goal scorer could have been just on when the ball was played in my opinion.

dafuge
22-12-2008, 14:54
From the screenshot it looks likely to be offside. However, as the ball has already been played, and a still screenshot gives no idea about how fast (if at all) the scorer was moving, there's still a possibility that the goal scorer could have been just on when the ball was played in my opinion.

The split second before the ball was played (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/dafuge/offside2.jpg)

There's no doubt he's ahead of the defender but he's pretty close to being in line with the ball. I still think he's offside though, there's no way he's behind the ball.

Law_Man
22-12-2008, 15:00
The split second before the ball was played (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/dafuge/offside2.jpg)

There's no doubt he's ahead of the defender but he's pretty close to being in line with the ball. I still think he's offside though, there's no way he's behind the ball.

Looks clearly offside to me there.

NB am I right in thinking you don't actually have to be behind the ball/the ball go backwards, as long as the ball doesn't go forwards? So that being level (i.e. if the ball goes in a dead straight horizontal line between passer and scorer in the screenshot) is enough to be on side? That's certainly the way it seems to be played in the Prem.

JDownie
22-12-2008, 17:05
I haven't looked at it, but from people are saying, I'm slightly confused.
I was lead to believe that as long as Ibrahimovic was to be behind the passer, he would be onside.
No matter the direction of the ball, as long as ZI is behind the assister, isn't he on?

Anyway, that's what I thought.

Edit: Just looked. He's offside anyway, no matter where the assister is standing... Well, in the screenshots anyway...

Andrew_
22-12-2008, 17:09
Looks level with the ball in the second pic, tbh. No daylight there so benefit of the doubt should go to the striker.

Then again linesman always get that wrong

Edit: Maybe just off seeing it again and using the make shift lovefilm 360 case as a ruler :D

HL7
22-12-2008, 17:39
Sorry, been away all afternoon, the match was played in the default camera and not the one in dafuges screenshot.

Using a ruler to determine is brilliant and shows just how close it is. Perhaps i'm biased but I still believe he's onside and will fight it to the death ;) :D